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I don't know what the screenwriters will come up with, but when I consider various myths where immortal beings lost their mortality, in most cases it was out of love when they decided to live with a mortal person. Either in such a case they gave up their mortality voluntarily, or it was taken away from them by their immortal family - or their society (gods, spirits, fairies..). I don't recall any immortal being becoming mortal as punishment (and I don't feel like flipping through my dictionaries on mythology to see if I can find such a situation :-) So my guess is that their immortality could remain, because as a couple they are both immortal. And heaven and hell punish rather with torture and death and the promised good ending somewhat excludes killing them...

I think the idea of ​​the two becoming human is cute, but I'm not a fan. Without the skills they've always had, I don't see them getting along. Crowley’s driving style alone will end the whole thing very quickly. They would actually have to reserve a table at the Ritz, cook, and realize that something that wouldn't have bothered them before could suddenly become painful and, in the worst case scenario, fatal. Both Aziraphale and Crowley only know existence with the abilities they have. Losing them is not a win, because you are exchanging a fragile togetherness for another that, in the worst case, can be over in a few hours. I like the idea that they can spend their lives together on Earth. Like the guardians of humanity that they already are. Just without heaven and hell on your back.

Since Season 2 I’ve always thought it will end with Aziraphale and Crowley facing their death at the end of the world and then they hold hands and perform a big miracle along with all the humans trying to save Earth. And the miracle makes it so that they can stay on Earth and all other angels and demons also have free will to live there if they want.

I don’t think Adam made the bush disappear, I thought Dog did

If these two don’t get a form of happily ever after, I’m going to sink into the abyss of AO3 and never come out… like hiding in a large pile of stuffed animals.

As Crowley says, 'After 6000 years, the engine is just getting warmed up!' I would prefer they remain immortal beings wherever they choose to be, continuing to be collaborating but with the embracing of their unshakeable love for each other that neither has to question. Solid. Forever.

I never thought that Aziraphale and Crowley were human. I think they would be better if they were angel and demon. They could keep their powers and be together also.

Thank you for mentioning Aragorn and Arwen! I think the analogy would be closer to Beren and Lúthien (Aragorn and Arwen's ancestors from The Silmarillion). They sacrificed themselves in the name of love and also sort of saving the world and were rewarded with mortal life together for a (comparatively) short time.

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The filming date makes me really upset, because it reminds me how tremendously rushed the preproduction (including the script edits) is. All this haste feels like a recipe for disaster. As for the BAFTAs, if you ask me it may as well mean David will have wrapped up filming GO. 40 days on limited budget seem realistic (Oppenheimer was filmed in 57 days, GO s1 took a bit over a hundred), especially if Crowley has little screentime in the 90m. The franchise store news is really disappointing. It should've come last summer where our consummer decisions could still have impacted Amazon's decision. At the moment it feels like a calculated money grab, and personally I'd much rather spend my money on the beautiful high quality fanmade merch on Etsy.

I'm fairly new to the Fandom here and I just wanted to know what Canon or head Canon is?

I am very weirded out by the thought of them becoming human. It brings to mind sci-fi/fantasy stories where people lose their "special powers" and rapidly age, die and decompose to skeletons. Can we get a FF of them becoming like Benjamin Button and de-aging down to babies? ;-)

I had to come back to make another comment after thinking about your video again...I wonder if Crowley fell while he was saving Aziraphale's assss in one of their innocent turns insane capers...look how many times he showed up in the nick of time....I did watch this whole season 2 after your commentary...again, well done. After all he's 'an angel".

Another Doctor Who deep cut into immortality: Captain Jack Harkness. Okay technically he isn't immortal the same way Azi and Crowley are (And we did see him ,,die", but I will not get into that here, because I fear I will start a civil war if I do😅), but he faced the nueances of immortality, and learned to accept it through a few ceturies of living.

I think they should stay as angel/demon for 2 reasons: 1. They should be able to be together literally for all of eternity it’s 6000 years of slow burn and they better get a happy ending 2. The point of the show is that it is two friends (lovers) on either side of a war, showing how you can do anything regardless of alliances and sides Also Angel/Demon is a cool trope and Crowley calling Azi ‘Angel’ is cute So fight me (Please don’t I have the bravery of a chicken nugget)

Just read the Pratchett books lol

I believe both of them will actually lean more into their respective ethereal roles, spending more time in heaven and hell than previous seasons. As aziraphale is now an archangel, he’s gonna have more responsibility, and the war between heaven and hell will have them both preparing. They may even face each other in war.

This would be such lovely news if true!!

4:17, you forgot the very important question about what ducks are supposed to eat :D

I'm already having flashbacks to The End of Time pt 2./ ,,I don't wanna go" because of David. (And I watched it for the first time long after the initial airing of the episode and it STILL broke my heart😢)

No I don’t want to see them become human maybe others could see it as a gift but I’d see it as simply taking something away from them in this case eternity quite a lot to give up when they already had human forms and fit into society reasonably well already. It took 6000 years for Crowely to even realise hes in love and make the first move and now we want to reduce his life to a few decades! it could fast forward them into something new but equally us humans well im a perfectly normal one and at 45 and only just now grappling with the fact that if i keep putting things off till tomorrow at one point i will run out of tomorrows and yet this has not yet stoped me from leaving things till tomorrow or next month or next year!

I want them to be aziraphale and crowley. An angel and a demon. Together for eternity!

Most importantly: if Aziraphale and Crowley will be turned in human, so Beelz and Gabriel have to. Which was never even mentioned. Maybe it is a point in S3, but was never mentioned at the trial. Actually, no punishment was really mentioned! I think that actually Crowley and Aziraphale would have the possibility to live immortally together on Earth as long as they don't interfere with Heaven and Hell - or they don't find a more definitive way.

Most importantly: if Aziraphale and Crowley will be turned in human, so Beelz and Gabriel have to. Which was never even mentioned. Maybe it is a point in S3, but was never mentioned at the trial. Actually, no punishment was really mentioned! I think that actually Crowley and Aziraphale would have the possibility to live immortally together on Earth as long as they don't interfere with Heaven and Hell - or they don't find a more definitive way.

Absolutely not. I believe turning them human would be bad writing and just... sad. They don't need to BE human to appear AS human. Their whole thing is "I am an angel, you are a demon", "I'm the good one, you're the bad one". I like that dynamic! They've also known each other since before time existed. To turn that into probably a maximum of 40 years is DEVASTATING, and having one die before the other (unless someone they die together, but that also sounds awful, since it would likely have to happen via an accident of some kind) is just heartbreaking to think about. Aziraphale mourning Crowley, or Crowley mourning Aziraphale, living the rest of their days alone. Because, let's be honest, who have they got apart from each other, really?

It would be strange if they became human, then died, and had to either A. spend their afterlives separated forever B. Spend the afterlife together (neither of them like being in heaven or hell)

crowleys time powers comes from his angelic tool. his crank. its what he uses to start the beginning of the universe. and its how he was able to stop satan in time in the fanale. he has had that tool since the beginning

I'm very rarely a fan of this trope of the immortal or powered character losing their powers/becoming mortal etc at the end of the story. With some rare exceptions it always takes away something from the story. For GO, I don't even think it would make sense. They've never shown any desire to be human and while they love humanity, they are always somewhat separate from it. They also use their divine powers regularly, they wouldn't last a week without powers. But more than that, it would be unnecessarily cruel. After the millenia of pining, they deserve infinite millenia more of being together. The argument that they could live mortal lives and die and be together forever in heaven or wherever is dumb because they already have that. They're already divine beings, they don't need forever in heaven. Plus how would they handle being reduced to human fodder for heaven and hell to mess with in their next war? What I'd much prefer to happen is for them to become guardians of earth/humanity, watching over humans and keeping them safe from whatever crap heaven and hell are trying to pull.

I was having this discussion on Bluesky just a few days ago. I'm not sure when it came to me as a possibility, but I've read a lot and I'm pretty sure I've seen people be punished/demoted to mortality before, not as the ideal (yes, I did Star Trek and that belonging does fit in), but I think because the only way they can truly be free is the destruction of the entire system. System destroyed- what happens to them? Mortality is a possibility as there is no longer power to draw from Heaven or Hill as they are destroyed (this could also be good or bad for dead humans, but we don't know much about that since we've never seen humans in Heaven). It's probably honestly LOTR that made me think of becoming mortal. If Heaven and Hill do remain, it could be an agreement, yes, freedom in exchange for humanity, angels and demons must obey and are linked, but humans are free, they are currently in a middle ground and it's causing their problems. I remember the first time I heard David say his thing about "a good ending", it was that awful day on Tumblr before The Awful Day-- so, May or June? Anyway, when he said that I was seized with the immediate certainty of the mortality theory and I don't know why.. Do I want it? No. Did I think about the other angels and demons? No. We don't actually know what they do, but I imagine in the dismantling of their respective workplaces, there will be intermingling and more travel to Earth such as Muriel is doing (a reason to show Muriel at all) but that's a lot of immortal beings. And would they be immortal without powers? Mortal with? Some mix? Who knows. I know from Bluesky that we were told that there aren't actually 10 million per side, but there must be loads. Aziraphale and Crowley are currently very human and it just feels right but it also feels awful. I don't have an answer. I was told that they never were human, kind of like a person can't become a cat, but that also doesn't feel right. This is not coherent because I'm beyond exhausted but that won't change and there are thoughts here. I think part of it is difficulty with the concept of immortality, but also it is attractive because human lives ARE too short. But I agree that even if writing "comedy" the writers wouldn't hesitate to allow this change. I mean, in Small Gods, the example someone gave me was that the forgotten small gods didn't die, but they almost did, didn't they? They were away and they basically faded if I remember correctly, kind of faded away in some sort of storage, very similar to a death... Small Gods was written around the same time. But I definitely feel they likely will become human in canon and I likely will deny it in headcanon, and so it will go. It just feels that way to me. Of course, we will all see in time.

“Wings for victory” could mean heaven or maybe demons and angels alike (they all have wings) and the bus could be going down to hell or just a bad place in general (“ heaven and hell are toxic” -Anthony j Crowley)

The only time I found an immortal becoming human satisfying was Arwen in Lord of the Rings.

I think people think of this ending because Crowley needs a way to be with Aziraphale after Judgement Day, because he will either be in Hell eternally or be destroyed. Becoming human gives a possible solution (their souls would be in a Heavenly afterlife together). I personally do not want this, but Crowley’s fate post Apocalypse needs to be addressed in the show in my opinion.

I would much prefer them to stay as they are, living together on Earth. Plus if they lose their powers then they won’t be able to go to Alpha Centauri for a holiday 🥰 They’ve simply GOT to have the option to go ❤

I hope they don't. They've waited six thousand years to be together, they deserve to be together for eternity, not just a few decades they'd have as humans.

Interesting that this theory is gathering steam! Personally I would rather they stay immortal, but I don’t hate the human theory either. Yes it would be bittersweet, but I can see the appeal as well. For instance, what if one of them was ‘turned’ human against their will (I.e as ‘punishment’ for stopping the second coming or something) and the other, rather than live an immortal life without them, chose to become human as well so they wouldn’t have to live without the other (at least not for long). Bittersweet yes, but an undeniable declaration of how much they love one another.

I think actually the anti-trope is someone regretting their immortality. Look at the extensive vampire literature - sometimes they get tired of life, but most don't.

I want them to become humans in the end. Because then we have the potential to have them come back later and if they look older that could be explained easier

Another theory I've entertained is that the finale will end with heaven and hell making peace, forced or talked or tricked into it by Aziracrow (and maybe others). That would mitigate likelihood of continuous end-times scenarios where they try to defeat the enemy. Not sure where human souls would go after that; maybe Upstairs and Downstairs would become one joint operation.

One enjoyable but extremely unlikely theory came to me when we saw how immensely powerful their tiny joint miracle was in season 2: Aziraphale and Crowley, together, make up God. One or more powerful supernatural beings somehow subdued God, wiped her memory, and split her into two outwardly fairly minor beings to dilute her power. And that's why no one's heard from God in eons. I realize that God talking to Aziraphale in s1e3 (asking him about his sword) pretty much makes this impossible. But it's fun to imagine.

Oh my! What a conundrum. Sounds dumb but I haven't thought about what I want.

I just need them together, i don't even want to buy the second season because of how mad they were at each other.

I honestly hate the idea of them becoming human. They’ve spent thousands of years apart, and they should get just as long to be together. Not just a handful of decades.

If Crowley and Aziraphale were to turn human in the end I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the end at all. They might live out the rest of their human lifes together and then die but that wouldn't mean obliteration. I really think they'd both go to Heaven (whatever he says, Crowley IS a good person) and live out eternity in their cottage up there. On the other hand... that would leave earth and humanity without someone to protect them from the occasional idiocy and the resulting ideas and actions occuring both, Up Above and Down Below. It might be in humanity's best interest to keep Aziraphale and Crowley as some kind of immortal guardian (read: buffer) between earth and the occult/ethereal forces. In the end it doesn't really matter to me if they turn human or not, the only important thing is that they find their ways back to each other and get to spend eternity together, one way or another.

just another reason I fear watching the last episode

Wouldn’t being human make them defenseless against those in hell and heaven that hate them?

There are quite a few ways the ending could go, and as much as I love 'Pinocchio' stories (as in something that is not human wants to become human) I feel like that might be too predictable of an ending for this story. Both authors seem to not like to take the easy way out in a story, so I'm mentally preparing for some sort of tears.

I do not want them to turn human and/or loose immortality

20:00 K.I.S.S. Principal - keep it simple stupid

Great video as always.....my "hope" is that they retain their immortality at least to some degree, but not become human. Heck, they've been on earth for over 6000 years without Heaven or Hell making much of a problem for them, at least not to Aziraphale. Crowley does get punished at times, but he's always back at it. Disrupting the Second Coming, and hopefully a reappearance of God (and possibly saving Heaven from Metatron) to give them their reward of being left in peace, in South Downs, together and immortal. The ending will be what Terry wanted and Rob will see to that. They will basically just retire with Muriel running the bookshop.

I always prefer an open ending, and love the bittersweet. My fave is Casablanca, that really set the tone for that kind of ending where there is always hope. I like to be able to write fan fiction in my head about what could happen next. I don't want them to become human purely because it is a bit overdone, even Barbie did it! I feel it's a bit boring now. But it's up to them how it ends, so we will see.. I tend to think it will end with them having the cottage, although he has to keep his bookshop! And a parcel arriving there for them.. from Agnes.