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If my cool teacher shows up at school parking in their ModelY, I will be super motivated to ace that subject they are teaching for =) Bless your local education / academia to have Matt, the forward-thinking teacher! Edit: my old-shyt-model3 just gotten YTubeMusic, it should be rolling out shortly for everyone soon

I used an online calculator....if you actually bought $100k worth of TSLA stock in 2010 when they went public....those shares would be worth $17.5 million dollars today!! So Matt would've been right...him and his dad would never have to work again!

I had also been a "never buy American made" until my Chevy Bolt. I have been so pleasantly surprised. I still don't trust GM, but this car is great.

honda really should make an electric odyssey

Cousin Matt has a great personality and from the first 10 seconds I knew I was in for a good one. Not only engaging conversation but also very humorous. It’s so cool when people embrace new technology and have an open mind even though they were used and born in a time when things were different. Not trying to say Matt is old I assume he’s in his 40s but still lol. Matt hit many bullet points as well as very fair criticisms. I agree I tried the free trial of FSD and basically just kept it off most of the time. Doesn’t drive smooth at all. Either too fast or too slow or too indecisive. Service is trash right now but hopefully third parties are more well established by the time my warranty expires around 2031 for me at least. I do expect to get a couple 100s of 1000s of miles out of my battery but I HOPE battery prices drastically fall within the next decade. Also Drew you make a really good point about comparing the cost of buying an ev with little maintenance and buying a gas car that will certainly needs lots of maintenance over its lifespan. Sure if I buy an ev I might not break even but Im so happy that I don’t have to worry about oil changes, transmission oil, brakes, gas pump, gaskets, timing belts…… I just want me car to work

Great podcast. Thank you Drew and Chris. You guys are only 26? Wow and such great influencers.. I may be almost triple your age but am definetely waiting for my Launch Edition, position was just under 500 before the Leaderboard closed. Wish there was a wsy to check my current position. Thanks again guys for this podcast.

Sorry to hear about your hate on Elon. Let us hope you can revist your thoughts on this when you settle down. I clicked on this Podcast to hear about Aptera and not to hear yoh bash Elon.

Videos like this where you're talking to someone like this or Rivian Mike are great, keep it up :)

This was really cool. Getting really close on pulling the trigger for a refreshed 3. Nice to hear his experience with the Y.

Fun interview Drew! Matt is very engaging and interesting. I just bought a used Model Y RWD, and so this is very timely and informative for me. Talking about the Tesla sold-new process and impressions. I also just got solar installed, so that offsets the already low electricity costs for charging at home.

Elon isn't even the artist. He's the art hocking shyster. He extracted how many billion dollars from Tesla? From all Tesla stock owners, he stole so much money from you. He drank the celebrity cult leader kool-aid. He's become a megalomaniac. The king's new clothes aren't there. I know the new model 3 rwd long range is my perfect car available today. I won't give my money to support Elon in any way. I will wait for Aptera.

Is the ring that Matt's wearing a Galaxy ring!?

A school teacher from California doesn’t like billionaires? Insert shocked pikachu meme.

23:50 I agree. When I told my friend about the Aptera last year, he was like “30k? Isn’t that a bit pricey?” And I was like “Bro, this thing would STILL sell like hotcakes at 60k.”. I mean with all of the pros it has and the fact that there’s no alternatives, it would still be a worthy price in a niche-er market. Now do I have 60k? No. But this is literally my DREAM vehicle. If I had to keep a Lamborghini or Bugatti for life or an Aptera, I’m choosing the Aptera every single time. (If I could sell the Lambo, I would just buy an Aptera and keep the change lol).

Model Y Matt lol After watching the episode I have to say Matt was really entertaining. It’d be great to see him again in the future!

Another primo segment thank you both for the joy in my heart

I canceled my Aptera order after they changed away from hub motors! This car may never come out. Too many false statements from this company!

If you go back to Aptera’s 12/21 update and listen to the Anthony promise of “deliveries late next year”, and look at how little they’ve done to actually reduce the concept to a viable production vehicle, you just might get that it’s never going to happen. They’ve taken none of the steps on behalf of the investors or reservation holders. Just a question of when people move on.

Owned a Prius C for 10 years. 163k miles, 0 mechanical issues of any kind. Still averaging over 50mpg per tank. 'Complexity' may be higher than EV but the reliability of the toyota hybrid system is proven and a given at this point.

I think that Aptera should do what they need to to keep the price under $35K for at least the first 1,000 EVs built. Even if it means that it will extend the time to the break even point. I think that Aptera has been smart in adapting to a simpler design to get into production sooner. Ultimately the production Aptera will have to compete on its own merits in 2025. Super efficiency, solar power assist, and unique styling can attract some people who will pay more, but the greatest selling tool will be the Aptera itself. Out in the world, and on public roads. And part of the perception of the Aptera's relative value will be set by its introductory price.

It was literally depressing to watch the range reducing month by month. I traded it in on an GWM Ora (aus.) which is a great car for the price. A PHEV with LFP may be more viable. A PHEV with a large battery and tiny ICE extender makes sense to me - particularly if the ICE part was removable. My PHEV had dual wet clutches and the other complexities of a parallel/series hybrid but under 70K it always uses electric traction.

My comments are failing for some reason. - breaking it in two.

The Tesla roadster was a different moment in Time. The Aptera is a different kind of vehicle and the kinds of people involved and the plan need to be considered and what other compromises besides cost might be coming. I hope the Aptera is received more positively than the Cyber truck.

Drew is correct, never heard of the podcast until the McCammon interview... Also, as an Android user, was never aware of the tech channel.

Love description of the garden, though I think rivian is a small stocky shrub, aptera is a delicate bud so close to bloom, and telo just popped up and opened its first cotyledons... At best, tesla is that rosemary we were all excited to add to our recipes when it survived its first winter, but now it's taking over an entire corner of the yard.. and we're about done trying to put it in the tacos, the stir fry, the omelettes...

So, Elon has become baggage to unpack therapy .. *sigh* 😮‍💨

I didn't know you had a podcast too.

With hub motors no longer an option I would have preferred Aptera have two independent front motors and no differential, BUT, since they needed something available off the shelf, that wasn't an option either.

No mention of Aptera’s right to repair? Disappointing 🤓

When I’m driving around selling Aptera’s the first thing out of my mouth is that it gets an equivalent 350 miles to gallon. Why ? because of the shape. It’s like AI had the most efficient baby vehicle 🤓

I expect my Accelerator #267 to be a collector item one day. Plus I’m going to save over 3k/ year on fuel. This vehicle is going to pay for itself in approximately 10 years. What vehicle has EVER paid for itself?

Very informative and relaxing chat! Thank you Drew and Chris ! Re your thought/ statement about hopeful drives to owners homes… you always have my old standing invite to come to our sunny spot! If that Level ☀ charging isn’t enough We have Level II . No cost too…. the sun ( homs’s PV solar )takes care on our electric needs. And on this twenty thousand acre ranch community with ~ 30 mile of primitive roads may be a photo op and test ground. Your audience may be the cattle and wildlife along the roadways! We even have rain catchment to rinse the aptera after its trek!😉 Chris, Re. Aptera’s first podcast, Drew mentioned…. The Third Wheel vehicle…. Maybe a future reference featuring its “TADPOLE three-wheel vehicle” configuration would be enlightening to some… As it is so stable compared to a delta three wheel configuration! ( Green Kermit approved !😉) Especially now that the drivetrain infirmly planted ! Re. the fact that Aptera manufacturing will not need a paint shop… And thinking how the company used a Greek work “ Aptera = Wingless “…Maybe there should be another word sourced for “ Paint-less” 😉 BinC is good for that “ raw” state…. Re the wrap/ film….Silver Leaf for the Launch Edition ! Gold Leaf for the Aptera Union Thanks ALL again

Was a 28K$ toy I wanted but don’t need. At 40K$ I can find something way better to play with. Lets not forget its still not available, no clue what the real world tests will be on this toy. The market for a 3 wheeled toy is very limited, a few Aptera crazy’s will pay whatever is required. If the price is too high “over 35K” this will be a short lived company. And an hour and a half for this topic is insane!!

For me, about $40K is the max I'd be willing to pay for something unique like the Aptera or Carver or Gibbs quad ski...

I very much look forward to seeing Aptera expand their solar partnerships. Telo trucks could use the solar charging, you bring your truck to the job and leave it in the sun to gather extra range. A solar camper van could he fun. Even the Eindhoven solar team with their Terra shows that mild off roading could be fun.

I don't think I was ever 26

Notice they didn't sell a lot of Tesla Roadsters... Most new models are not profitable until the sell 100,000 cars.

Honestly, this is the first time I've seen this podcast.

First, thanks for the subject of EP. 188. You have the best Aptera content out there but I will not invest the time to do the whole podcast (too long for this one question). The answer to the undervalued ? is probably , yes, for some people. For others of us, maybe it isn't undervalued. I live in the EU & see very high car prices, taxes, and fuel cost, much less the many questions on homologation. I am by the way still planning to travel to CA in 2025, drive my Aptera back to the east coast and ship ( her ) back to Denmark, and yes, she already has a name. The value question may truly be personal but I bet you can guess my opinion!!!

The philosophical / idol discussions put words into the feelings I had which I have no words for previously Randy and Drew, happy to have your content around here, wish Mike gave his thoughts on these too!

No. If their patents had any actual value they could have done what many start ups do which is move them to a third party to obtain a loan against them, that is the standard method to exploit IP and protect those putting up the money. The only two companies which they showed any use of their products will add no meaningful value to their bottom line in the short term if ever. A company producing nothing has no value and they are well over 200m in the hole.

Great to see a fellow Mainer working at Aptera! Really enjoyed the interview, thanks for making this happen!

It boils down to expectations. Some early reservation holders, myself included, cannot afford most EVs. We saw Aptera as a way to finally get into this space affordably and with a super efficient vehicle. I know Teslas have come down in price, but I was holding out for the Aptera because I believe in the company ethos. I agree that it can command more, but I will be disappointed if I am no longer able to afford it. I will always be a fan, I just don't know if I will be a buyer. It depends on where the price actually lands.

I am an accelerator/investor and I disagree with a statement that people like us would be open to paying a premium for the Aptera. My place on the leaderboard and my investment was based on the indicated price of the vehicle. I would not be interested in purchasing the vehicle for significantly more than originally advertised.

I haven't gotten through the podcast yet but really appreciate the conversation and discussion so far.

The unique Aptera is so different, and still unknown to maybe 85% of the world. Once the production begins personally, my estimation is that the order book will be unable to keep up with the demand for a few years. Even if we have a contraction for the overall economic situation, then those who are looking for a new vehicle can look at Aptera for being lower cost to operate. Those who question how to move forward can foresee a place for the Aptera, not just for efficiency, but overall cost of ownership, and how unusual the design is because of that. Prius sold very few in the beginning because many did not think it could actually get the kind of milage that it does. Prius are somewhat ugly shoeboxes driving down the road, (I have owned two of them) the newest one has much better styling and improvement of the drag is a part of that, however Aptera pole vaults way past the standard of the milage champ, which is currently the Prius, or Ionic 5/6. But saying it is different is a huge understatement, Aptera is in a class of its own, creating an entire new category. My head says, Tesla started it, and it was revolutionary at the time, however Aptera is another evolution in the EV space, well beyond Tesla. Not dishing Tesla but cheering on Aptera is my stance here. Yes, I am an Accelerator somewhere around 150 on the leaderboard, but at 75 years old, I am running out of time to pick it up. This new development in transportation is extremely exciting, and it needs to happen.

Steve Fambro, in the first episode of Aptera's podcast, heavily implies that Aptera made the decision to step away from Elaphe and not the other way around. He talks about the mountain of firmware they have yet to write as production approaches, and I think they decided on the drive-train change to reduce that work load. Three motors and three inverters involve much more complicated traction control and torque vectoring than one motor and inverter do, and this really reduces the amount of firmware needed in the short term. Steve never implies that Elaphe is not ready for them.

I think many see over an hour for the podcast, and just avoid spending that amount of time.

Yeah everyone sounds so upset about the rumored price increase for Aptera but that is exactly where I expected it to be with inflation this long after saying the original price. Sure not having AWD is disappointing, but good snow tires are more important. And as long as it is still getting 8mi\kw or better I am still super excited and totally fine with the price increase. Lol besides, I'm far enough back in the order line that I will probably have the time needed to save up more for the new price 😅

Never got first comment before but I’ll just use it to appreciate what you are doing for ev’s, especially the startups that are trying to do something really new in the auto industry. From aptera with max aerodynamic efficiency and solar to Telo with max volumetric efficiency. Truly appreciate the coverage!