LunaRz
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God of war ascension multiplayer Retrospective 2024
Thanks for watching and let me know what you guys think!
Combo video links for those interested
Community Project by CHECK : ruclips.net/video/cIQVRZhIDRs/видео.html
Combo videos I collab with dre in : ruclips.net/video/FnxQa3nAKYk/видео.html
u8tatti showing every little trick and glitch in the game:
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Видео

THE FINALS took the FPS community by storm and then was FORGOTTEN about...
Просмотров 6 тыс.3 месяца назад
Let me know what you guys think!
The Paradox of Destiny 2's Crucible
Просмотров 7 тыс.4 месяца назад
Enjoy it because I don't know if I have it in me to make another opinion piece on this game anymore, I'm just jaded at this point.
The State of PvP post Final Shape | Destiny 2
Просмотров 8 тыс.6 месяцев назад
Here is the vod. Go to the 2 hour and 17 minute mark. www.twitch.tv/videos/2176247373
Primary ASMR 4
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Primary ASMR 4
I got punished for merely playing Bungie's game | Destiny 2
Просмотров 9 тыс.7 месяцев назад
I hope all enjoy! Steam profile: steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198282032705/ Background instrumental by Jay Cactus
Primary ASMR 3
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Primary ASMR 3
Homophobe TRASH TALKER waves white flag in 1v1
Просмотров 10 тыс.7 месяцев назад
Been a while since I had to put some trashcan in their place. The guy went from bigot to dick-riding so quickly. Although I am not part of the queer or trans communities, I take pleasure in dealing with jerks like this. In other words, I'm at your service o7. Enjoy Catch these moments when I'm live on twitch :) twitch.tv/LunaRz
So I started playing D2 again
Просмотров 6 тыс.8 месяцев назад
Just my quick first impressions overview of the current pvp experience. Instrumental by Jay Cactus : ruclips.net/video/C4uKGlW7U-I/видео.html
THE FINALS ~350 hrs later | Short Analysis
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THE FINALS ~350 hrs later | Short Analysis
Destiny 2's Crucible could Learn from THE FINALS
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Making comparisons and illustrating how THE FINALS does some of the very important things better than Destiny does.
The FUTURE of the finals is even more uncertain now...
Просмотров 9 тыс.11 месяцев назад
Just ranting about my thoughts on how underwhelming this patch was.
Destiny 2 being SOLVED is what will KILL the game
Просмотров 9 тыс.Год назад
While recording the voiceovers I had an instrumental loop playing and Audacity picked it up for some reason so every now and then you will hear moderately loud instrumental playing in the background lol. I hope this video gets dialogue in the community started about how to actually refresh the Destiny gameplay experience. I had to break my silence though and who knows.. if things actually ever ...
This game pleasantly SURPRISED me...
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Have not done one of these in a minute, but I had to make a video on this game, it was THAT fun despite some of the issues I outlined in the video. THE FINALS was a blast and cannot wait for it to release and come back even better.
My best shatterline "aimer" moments
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I need a reason to free up space on my SSD lol
Shatterline clip dump
Просмотров 1,6 тыс.2 года назад
Shatterline clip dump
My thoughts on Shatterline
Просмотров 3,3 тыс.2 года назад
My thoughts on Shatterline
Finally made my peace with Destiny 2
Просмотров 22 тыс.2 года назад
Finally made my peace with Destiny 2
Extrinsically motivated players get their way once again with SBMM? | Destiny 2
Просмотров 16 тыс.2 года назад
Extrinsically motivated players get their way once again with SBMM? | Destiny 2
Are you PROUD of your "Skill"?
Просмотров 7 тыс.2 года назад
Are you PROUD of your "Skill"?
Why do players lack enthusiasm to improve in PvP? | Destiny 2
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Why do players lack enthusiasm to improve in PvP? | Destiny 2
Destiny 2's PvP CANNOT be saved and here's WHY...
Просмотров 24 тыс.2 года назад
Destiny 2's PvP CANNOT be saved and here's WHY...
Primary ASMR 2 | Destiny 2
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Primary ASMR 2 | Destiny 2
Lots of D2 players have this weird double standard for pvp
Просмотров 17 тыс.2 года назад
Lots of D2 players have this weird double standard for pvp
Season 17 First impressions/ PvP & Survival discussion
Просмотров 8 тыс.2 года назад
Season 17 First impressions/ PvP & Survival discussion
Crucible Map rotation matters MORE than you think | Destiny 2
Просмотров 6 тыс.2 года назад
Crucible Map rotation matters MORE than you think | Destiny 2
Guardian theater compilation #3 | Destiny 2
Просмотров 16 тыс.2 года назад
Guardian theater compilation #3 | Destiny 2
How does one find like-minded players to play with? | Destiny 2
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How does one find like-minded players to play with? | Destiny 2
Primary ASMR 1 | Destiny 2
Просмотров 7 тыс.2 года назад
Primary ASMR 1 | Destiny 2
Why I just don't care about the PvP matchmaking anymore | Destiny 2
Просмотров 11 тыс.2 года назад
Why I just don't care about the PvP matchmaking anymore | Destiny 2

Комментарии

  • @magpi3684
    @magpi3684 20 дней назад

    Damn 3y ago??? This shit was savant because the community is in disarray because of carry culture creating the shitter mentality thats so prevalent

  • @JAH_beats
    @JAH_beats Месяц назад

    Btw in regards to the other guys comment about how you could make a video for an hour about this game I give you even more props for making it all about the multiplayer of Ascension. I’m absolutely obsessed with good pvp shooters/fighting games, been on a crazy of finding more if I can and always playing the ones that I know about already, this games is def in rotation for me till this day only for multiplayer, (ps. PvP been acting funny lately lol I see players but haven’t been able to join games, maybe there’s not enough people but I don’t think that’s the case cus if seen a full lobby of 4 yet I still can’t join) I’m yapping oh my lord

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu Месяц назад

      @@JAH_beats Yeah I haven't played it since I finished making the video lol, but its fun to go back every once and a blue moon. You are defo right in the way that ascension handles lobbies though. If there are enough players in an 8 man lobby to start the game(requiring 6 players) and you are the 7th player to join in as the match start counts down, it will boot you out of the lobby because the game does not ever start games with a 3 versus 4. If some else joined as you did, it will let you in but yeah, never used to be a problem when multiplayer was popping back then

  • @JAH_beats
    @JAH_beats Месяц назад

    Lmk if you trynna play

  • @Delbzy
    @Delbzy Месяц назад

    best of luck with the studies dude!

  • @Soulintent95
    @Soulintent95 Месяц назад

    I love how in the 360/ps3 days games that would never in a million yrs have multiplayer ended up having multiplayer. This is pretty cool, never would have expected a god of war game to have multiplayer. My favorite out of the ordinary multiplayer is bioshock 2.

  • @haveagoodluck
    @haveagoodluck Месяц назад

    Insanely impressive to have a commentary like this for an entire hour. Not a game I’d be into but you made it sound interesting.

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu Месяц назад

      @@haveagoodluck thanks bro

  • @scottparrott5674
    @scottparrott5674 Месяц назад

    Never even knew there was god of war multiplayer. Been grinding cod it’s actually pretty good this year. So burnt out on Destiny and bored of the game. I want to play it but I just stare at the orbit screen. They need to have like a pvp season or something the game is stale as hell.

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu Месяц назад

      @@scottparrott5674 it's over for D2 I fear

  • @ishemawasha8714
    @ishemawasha8714 Месяц назад

    Congrats bro good luck in school !

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu Месяц назад

      @@ishemawasha8714 appreciate it man

  • @spakentruth
    @spakentruth 3 месяца назад

    Destiny 2 pvp has been hot garbage since beyond light.

  • @whiteknob7944
    @whiteknob7944 3 месяца назад

    A little late to quit isn’t it? How much have you all spent on this game?

  • @staufackar2135
    @staufackar2135 3 месяца назад

    I think you can blame random nerfs and buffs for that.

  • @bl4ckholeyt725
    @bl4ckholeyt725 3 месяца назад

    Finally someone who addresses the problem with the light class!!! It is the same thing I have been telling since season 1.

  • @omiewearnkhakis9780
    @omiewearnkhakis9780 3 месяца назад

    Yeah bro I’m one of The people who’s “forgotten” and it’s more I’m stressed and I need to either accomplish something in a game or chill out with The guys. When my stress levels lower I will be on it way more frequent. Also so guy showed me a wild thing I haven’t seen on The internet yet

  • @stanpah
    @stanpah 3 месяца назад

    I would like to see heavy have a decoy ability. Would you be happier if Lights health pool was even smaller? and stun had a nerf?

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu 3 месяца назад

      I think the light health pool is fine, I just want stun gun and invis gadget removed from the game. I think lights can keep vanish bomb though. The same way that recon sense from medium was removed because it essentially allowed you to succeed without having game sense, invis gadget is the same in regards to removing and any nuance in positioning

  • @jameshenry137
    @jameshenry137 3 месяца назад

    Lack of content all gadgets and weapons are easy to earn..randoms are terrible to play ranked..ranked game modes are goofy and too long..turret is too op healing beam is too op for coordinated teams turns into running simulator..nobody is buying a battlepass or skins for a mostly dead game..has some redeeming factors but all my friends stopped playing as well..ranked is grindy even if youre good no rewards for ranked

  • @jameshenry137
    @jameshenry137 3 месяца назад

    This game did not take anything by storm for any amount of time let's start there

  • @JusAFarmer
    @JusAFarmer 3 месяца назад

    I just got bored

  • @skittles.abuser
    @skittles.abuser 3 месяца назад

    After season 3 my game performed REALLY bad, low fps, incredibly high input lag and all of it, was horrible, it got better after the 3.10.0 update though but thats 2 full months of not playing, even when it was my favourite game since launch

  • @JohnnyBananas7x
    @JohnnyBananas7x 3 месяца назад

    Crying about lights (least health in the game) abandoning your teammates because of it and you have lame friends… damn your 🗑️ the finals has a healthy player base. Kick rocks.

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu 3 месяца назад

      @@JohnnyBananas7x Damn who hurt you, don't project your feelings onto me because your gf left you to edate someone in valorant lmfao

  • @JohnnyBananas7x
    @JohnnyBananas7x 3 месяца назад

    Dome shield is unusable now

  • @JohnnyBananas7x
    @JohnnyBananas7x 3 месяца назад

    The fact that ppl play valorant/csgo over this is beyond me. Your gf/bfs will leave you for a much more exciting finals player.

  • @JohnnyBananas7x
    @JohnnyBananas7x 3 месяца назад

    What are your lame buddies playing then? Just curious. If it’s destiny please forget i asked. Cant imagine someone playing this game then forgetting about it. Sounds like some serious skill issues to me.

  • @-KIMISAFOX
    @-KIMISAFOX 3 месяца назад

    Most points you made in this video are just your incorrect opinion. All you content creators have your blinders on when it comes to this game. The finals was never sustainable for creators. The initial crowd ARE Gaming's casuals. They moved on to the next shiny thing, Palworld, then Helldivers. You didn't even see the player base until then. This game has the potential to become popular but that usually doesn't happen overnight.

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu 3 месяца назад

      @@-KIMISAFOX you can say my opinion is incorrect as much as you like but the market speaks for itself and it's not like I approached this with any kind of hate as I still enjoy the game. Most of what I stated is objective truth and the performance of the game reflects that. But I'll bite, what "opinion" is incorrect?

    • @-KIMISAFOX
      @-KIMISAFOX 3 месяца назад

      @2011manchu Well, my first comment answers that question for a lot of them. There are tons in the video. We'll just go with the title of the video itself. That's just your incorrect opinion. The majority of the FPS community has never even heard of the finals & certainly hasnt forgotten about it. Take your blinders off or go stream fortnite. Videos like this have nothing but a negative impact on developers & gamers. Maybe if you want to doom post (that's what this video is) focus on games that are failing. Concord is a good one for you. That's a newer live service game with 80 players online right now.

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu 3 месяца назад

      @@-KIMISAFOX Concord was a dead game walking since the beginning, I dont kick people while they are already down, kind of ironic that you are claiming that I doom post but you are in favor of beating a dead horse. When this game released, it had millions of players playing it. Most of the FPS gamers knew about the game in some capacity even if they didn't play it. I dont have blinders on at all, im just telling the truth of why it failed to retain the incredible popularity it had at the beginning. You can be in denial all you want, but the stats speak for itself. Even though I didn't intend for this to he super negative, I would argue that it's a good thing. Let's go back to the times in which studios published FEATURE complete games and encourage developers to give people what they want. This doesn't hurt the gamers as the consumers always win in the heat of competition. You're just a mindless glazer who doesn't know what they are saying lol

    • @-KIMISAFOX
      @-KIMISAFOX 3 месяца назад

      @2011manchu I'm not claiming that you doom post thats evident; this is the first and only video of yours I've watched. I'm just commenting on a Doom post/Clickbait video. I'll repeat myself since you didn't comprehend my first comment. No one had any idea of the actual playerbase until the game awards crowd (casual gamers) went to the next shiny thing(palworld). It's hilarious that you think you speak for FPS gamers. Go make a what happened to Palworld video even though the game is doing great with healthy player base and dedicated developers. Instead of trying to justify your subjective shitpost.

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu 3 месяца назад

      @@-KIMISAFOX Palword and the finals are two different games with different service models. I dont have to justify anything, the stats speaks for itself. Palworld was an insane hit for the same reasons that helldivers was a hit, those game captivated an entire culture of gamers regardless of what genres they preferred to play. There will always be a next shiny thing, that's just the culture.

  • @DarkSnake1041
    @DarkSnake1041 3 месяца назад

    Will say as someone involved in the community on discord we’re still going strong lol

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu 3 месяца назад

      @@DarkSnake1041 OH the game is far from dead no doubt as its got a niche dedicated population of people playing. However, it still has no long term content appeal and if content creators have no interest in making content, then the game isn't getting any fresh eyes on it

    • @cloudboy08
      @cloudboy08 3 месяца назад

      @201manchu count on me for making content soon!

  • @ketufo
    @ketufo 3 месяца назад

    What the hell are you talking about it isnt forgotten about at all...

  • @TheLordBH
    @TheLordBH 3 месяца назад

    Ooh trust my words y'all, it will get better

  • @aersla1731
    @aersla1731 3 месяца назад

    Finally some mentions the light problem in pub. I understand they are balanced in comps or with pros but damn is it annoying and frustrating lol

  • @zachbishop5421
    @zachbishop5421 3 месяца назад

    The maps are way to big for such a small amount of players.. if they doubled the amount of ppl on each team it would have been a wayyyy better game imo. I hate running around forever and not seeing anyone until i get to the objective basically

    • @skittles.abuser
      @skittles.abuser 3 месяца назад

      then you are really bad at knowing where to be and go, i dont go 20 seconds before i see someone... ever

    • @zachbishop5421
      @zachbishop5421 3 месяца назад

      @@skittles.abuser the game is trash period lol that's why your one of the only people still playing it so have fun 😂🤡

  • @chaotic_doom3281
    @chaotic_doom3281 3 месяца назад

    If you’re playing against a team of all lights, who know what they’re doing, you may as well just close application

  • @johnx140
    @johnx140 3 месяца назад

    Ill never forget this game.

  • @TheAstriix
    @TheAstriix 3 месяца назад

    It’s alive and well, just in a quiet season (which is SUPER long) it’s because Sweden, where the devs are, take a mandatory month break from work. Season four should bring it back

    • @cloudboy08
      @cloudboy08 3 месяца назад

      Based on the music and everything with ranked cashout back i already believe so

    • @skittles.abuser
      @skittles.abuser 3 месяца назад

      i hope it also optimizes the game cuz season 3 broke my performance and beat it to death

  • @Killjoy.Z
    @Killjoy.Z 3 месяца назад

    Only low skill players complain about Lights

    • @cloudboy08
      @cloudboy08 3 месяца назад

      Light is broken mfs when they discover staying as a team:

    • @skittles.abuser
      @skittles.abuser 3 месяца назад

      @@cloudboy08 only if they can aim, usually lights get shredded very quickly against an mp5 and a scar at range

  • @vaqentuari8585
    @vaqentuari8585 3 месяца назад

    22:28 to 22:50 is the truth.

  • @fokionleile7662
    @fokionleile7662 3 месяца назад

    Ι absolutely hate the fact that most gamers want a "shakeup" in gameplay if the game is live service

    • @abeetmameet
      @abeetmameet 3 месяца назад

      I mean, live service games NEED peoples attention (or high retention) to be successful in this space, so trying to be innovative/fresh is gonna help alot.

    • @cloudboy08
      @cloudboy08 3 месяца назад

      The problem is they need to add a lot more compared to for example fortnite release cuz of the low attention spans after short form content came out

  • @nathanwood3814
    @nathanwood3814 3 месяца назад

    I play this game everyday. And have played everyday casually since it launched.

    • @skittles.abuser
      @skittles.abuser 3 месяца назад

      me too, until season 3 my game suddenly ran HORRIBLE

  • @EylonBelkin
    @EylonBelkin 3 месяца назад

    The game can be good if it didn't have melee weapons and shields and heals

  • @mellowker
    @mellowker 3 месяца назад

    It's interesting to view a more casual view of the game

  • @Wretcon
    @Wretcon 3 месяца назад

    this entire comments section is an ode to how long people have been begging for variety in maps or game modes, accessibility/ q.o.l / customization and embark and nexon wont listen. i love this game and ik there are people that work hard on it, but nothing excuses the mismanagement and straight up neglect embark has for its community. tbh it makes sense if its comprised of old OG dice devs, the battlefield series was also terribly balanced lol

  • @wW0LFYy
    @wW0LFYy 3 месяца назад

    W takes

  • @Tjmalloy2
    @Tjmalloy2 3 месяца назад

    This game has a healthy player base

    • @-KIMISAFOX
      @-KIMISAFOX 3 месяца назад

      The finals playerbase has never dipped below 600K daily active players ~Embark Rob.

    • @julio1148
      @julio1148 3 месяца назад

      I stopped caring about numbers, just here for the ride for as long as I can find a match ✌🏻

    • @rebirthreaction883
      @rebirthreaction883 3 месяца назад

      I can still find a games in around a min. Console only too

    • @slappyjo1046
      @slappyjo1046 3 месяца назад

      @@-KIMISAFOXhe said 300k but ok

  • @demonshadow6750
    @demonshadow6750 3 месяца назад

    Definitely not forgotten about

  • @Addict10r
    @Addict10r 3 месяца назад

    my main problem with the game is the gunplay, some guns like the AK have insane recoil and its so hard to aim with it

    • @Tjmalloy2
      @Tjmalloy2 3 месяца назад

      That's definitely a skill issue, you get alot better once you get use to it

    • @2011manchu
      @2011manchu 3 месяца назад

      The visual recoil could use some work, but the AK is very easy to pick up.

    • @skittles.abuser
      @skittles.abuser 3 месяца назад

      the ak? its the gun with the least amount of recoil, your sense is probably too high

  • @kodabear3358
    @kodabear3358 3 месяца назад

    I quit season one solely bases on balance, i was a heavy main and they just kept handing out nerf after nerf so I switched to light to be a rat with invis and stun and I immediately just went insane

    • @lochnesserl8654
      @lochnesserl8654 3 месяца назад

      Heavy is still better

    • @samhyatt4863
      @samhyatt4863 3 месяца назад

      yeah that's just a skill issue i'm sorry. heavy was ridiculously overpowered in S1 and it still remains overpowered when coordinating with a team to this day.

    • @kodabear3358
      @kodabear3358 3 месяца назад

      @@samhyatt4863 dont see how it was a skill issue when I could just switch to playing light and destroy everyone with 0 skill or time on that character

    • @samhyatt4863
      @samhyatt4863 3 месяца назад

      @@kodabear3358 light is good in pubs while solo queuing for sure, but once you play ranked cashout with a squad, it becomes very apparent that light is not a very safe pick, and the best squads always run double heavy med, or double med heavy. LMH can work if your light has very good positional awareness, but that's about it.

    • @kodabear3358
      @kodabear3358 3 месяца назад

      @@samhyatt4863 can't speak to how the current balancing is so all of what you're saying might be true idk I dont play anymore but what I can say is I absolutely destroyed in the 48 player comp mode with light for absolutely no reason, heavy definitely gave way more team play/util but I could secure endless elims with light when I shouldn't have been able to

  • @thetruekrazzey9181
    @thetruekrazzey9181 3 месяца назад

    Agreed, people who wanted the invitation in fps games are sticking with the finals, those that want polished cod are the ones complaining and saying dead game and only play once in a blue moon 😂

  • @antwoolph
    @antwoolph 3 месяца назад

    It's crazy because I love this game so much.

  • @kingkasma4660
    @kingkasma4660 3 месяца назад

    what you say about light is what i say about heavy, the class for braindead people that need an rpg to oneshot someone and got tons of flesh armor.

    • @cloudboy08
      @cloudboy08 3 месяца назад

      Heavy randoms for me are either the worst ones or the best ones

  • @MockinFrog
    @MockinFrog 4 месяца назад

    I have a couple friends who play, guess I’ll try it out. Thanks for your thoughts as always

    • @skittles.abuser
      @skittles.abuser 3 месяца назад

      its really fun if you get better at it, and if you're lucky enough to have 2 mates you can really have unlimited amounts of fun on this

  • @sinsalabinho
    @sinsalabinho 4 месяца назад

    i dont think the game was forgotten. Yes the playerbase is low, but since the last time i played, season 3 didn't looked like the season i would like to play... and the removal of that tournament quick cash or whatever it used to be called made my love for the game disappears a little. Talking about metas, i dont rlly mind, i play mostly against the meta 2 heavy 1 med. or 3 meds, or anything else and if you are good at the game, taking you as an example, yes can be sometimes boring to play agaisnt shield + shield + healing, but mostly you can outplay this players just being good at the game. The point is: the thing keept me playing the game was the movement and laughs i had with friends. The game is so unique that it probably wont disappear ever, if it reaches critical points like less than 5k players online on steam

    • @sinsalabinho
      @sinsalabinho 4 месяца назад

      i was just typing how i feel, maybe it didn't even make sense at the end

  • @brandondennis7527
    @brandondennis7527 4 месяца назад

    Yep. That's what happens when something is a novelty, but ultimately JUST a novelty. The gameplay loop wasn't engaging enough to go a second time around.

    • @lochnesserl8654
      @lochnesserl8654 3 месяца назад

      You can say the same thing about Br's but look at where Fortnite and Apex are at now

    • @brandondennis7527
      @brandondennis7527 3 месяца назад

      @@lochnesserl8654 But those games had a lot more than a novelty. Fortnite's building system and sandbox gameplay was enough to actually keep things new for a lot of players for awhile, and Apex's movement ensured a high skill ceiling and interesting, varied fights, which was helped in no small part by the excellent gunfeel.

    • @skittles.abuser
      @skittles.abuser 3 месяца назад

      @@brandondennis7527 this game is loads more engaging than apex and fortnite what are you on about lmao

  • @brianpancotto8829
    @brianpancotto8829 4 месяца назад

    Game died because its of long game times constant fast paced action into a 30 minute game to lose at the end, destroys motivation and retention, cashout was bad, TA was and still is bad, so ranked has always been bad, so nothing really engaging to keep retention and then lead into shitty balance and destruction, the skill gap between casuals and skilled players became to great for the casuals to play, and then the sizeable cheating problem, almost everything that could make an fps shooter die has happened

    • @lochnesserl8654
      @lochnesserl8654 3 месяца назад

      Not dead

    • @cloudboy08
      @cloudboy08 3 месяца назад

      “Game died” because every money hungry “content creator” called it so for views and nobody wants to try a “dead” game

    • @brianpancotto8829
      @brianpancotto8829 3 месяца назад

      @@cloudboy08 content creators do not dictate a games life, no matter what a content creator says, they been saying apex was dead/dying/falling off for years, and its still just averages hundreds of thousands of players on steam alone while 4 other platforms exist, epic games/ps network, xbox, and origin. if gameplay is good people will play it, games are like food, it doesn't matter what anyone says, if you like it you like it, and if you are a fan of the genre the chances are higher that you will try it for yourself and if you enjoy it you will stay. the finals had over a million players, the gameplay wasn't it, so they left, not because of creators, but because their overall experience wasn't fun.