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I think it is funny to hear all the talk about the weather in Houston after Kara commented that people should stop talking about the weather for marathons! : ) Also, it is nice to hear that Kara and Des like to warm up for a couple of miles before running at faster paces. I know that is true for older (age 66) non-elites so it is comforting to know that it also happens to elites that aren't even old yet.

I appreciate the nuance here. I have been incredibly conflicted about Shelby’s return and when I saw Flotrack doing all this stuff I actually felt nauseous. I agree there are other more beneficial storylines out there to tell I hope there’s some balance as time goes on

word for word this is how I felt about the Shelby situation. word for word. Thanks Kara.

Yes, if she wanted change and not have innocent people charged she should have done something.

Please make that shirt. "I could be wrong, but I know I'm not." - Kara Goucher

You guys make running accessible and understandable for fans like me. It's just SO valuable for running in general.

Need to get rid of safety pins! Track has sticker numbers, why can’t road? The size of bib numbers are out of control. They are taking up the whole chest or abdomen

I cannot tell you women how much I enjoyed this! Being a Minnesotan obvs love the connection but also love the unique story and what each of you represent for young women looking to find their path. This family is a national treasure!

Great pod , never miss it. Lot of opinions re the men’s 1/2 finish and good minds can disagree. IMHO it was definitely interference. I like most reading this have seen a lot of races in my 73 years and I can’t remember another race where someone obviously leaned into a competitor a the line to impede them. Also I don’t believe it should be up to the runner impeded to complain, the race officials should be savvy enough to see it for what it was and enforce a clean race just as they do with doping. Other runners aren’t required to complain to have a winning competitor drug tested why should they be required to enforce physical clean racing? All the major sports have officials that understand their sport well enough to call inappropriate physical contact, running race officials should be savvy enough to do the same.

Bibs can and should be much smaller. That seems to be the biggest issue. And when it comes to the track and the Olympics, do we really need bibs?

Seeing Mary akor training in los angeles day in day out with passion for the sport. Always so quiet and humble. If she had social media and people knew more about it she would have most people defending her.

seated for this. i love this show so much and just switched over to the youtube version from the audio only (after last week's powerpoint episode).

I completely agree that Shelby and her camp painted the victim narrative. I don't think the media started that. SOME outlets have boosted that but it all traces back to Shelby herself. I still remember Kara and Chris discussing these on the other pod at the time. My opinion hasn't changed. She doped. She paid the price. Now let's see how the rest of her career plays out.

Other than finishing my 17th Houston Marathon, meeting you(Des) was the highlight moment! I was the one who stopped you as you were coming out of the Hilton Hotel and headed towards the GRB Convention Center?! And, yes I wear Brooks, too!

I know it's hard to talk about it but please do more. I'm ready to se Shelby run again and I hope the narrative of her competition is not a negative one, like you said, if we belive the system she as done her time.

Appreciate you sharing your thoughts Kara, even and especially because the Shelby situation IS so complicated, especially for someone who is both passionate about the drug situation and knows her on a personal level. I like being able to hear from you and Des specifically because there has been so much chatter about this and I particularly prefer to hear the thoughts of people I respect.

Thank you for talking about the hard stuff. It’s important. Good things come out of hard conversations.

I guess the difference is journalism versus commentating. Sean kelly in cycling is a commentator and offers no opinion on the drug.Doping era

Thank you Houston for broadcasting the race and ESPN+ for getting it to me in Ohio. I love watching marathon broadcasts.

Agree. The half marathon finish was competitive racing, not impeding.

In regards to the Shelby situation-I do not think she intentional doped. I do think that Bowerman is very insular and I think Jerry and the lawyers took over and did a bad job trying to prove her innocence and fumbled horribly. I know they only had 10 days to find where the contamination came from so I think they stuck with the burrito story and didn't look elsewhere.

Kara @ 1:01:22 "...I want them to get caught." I can relate to that statement.

Des at 4:15 "it's a local broadcast" no joke haha. Half the segments were interviewing locals who just also watched the race last year or began running a week ago.

If you haven't, watch The Freetrail Podcast with Dylan Bowman talking to Stian Angermund

Great episode

I don't think blind faith is smart. Shelby served her ban and will run if she chooses. She'll be tested. Interesting thought about approaching athletes close to threshold.

When a proven cheater fails to take responsibility, I don't feel bad about not trusting them ever. It's why we need lifetime bans. Dope and Done.

Kara, you did a great job discussing a tough topic! Thanks for taking one for the fans ❤

Des’ insight about blind faith and how the SH case just challenged that was amazing. The blip from Kara when she said SF called her before the press conference made me ache for Kara -who’d been played by / a pawn for <brand> once again.

I love, love, love the pod! How about a live show at this year's Bolder Boulder? Let's make the 10k great again!

Love, love, love the candid conversation. About the good and the “bad”. Rooting for Shelby. She did her time and under the rules she’s free to run. So I hope she crushes it.

I don't think you *should* have blind faith in the system.. that's the lesson here...and you're 100% right Kara.. the media messed up the headlines... "blaming a burrito" was diminutive. The poor woman scrambled to consider everything and test her innocence in hopes of exonerating herself, while WADA's hid in the shadows for months placing her future in limbo without the decency of communications on their protocol. Thereafter, WADA tried to protect their stance with a slew of moves that were conflicts of interest. Can you imagine if WADA was wrong here? They messed up her test? Listening to USADA's head speak on this case in the podcast "The Running Effect"... he alludes immediately (when asked about Shelby's case) that the drug testing process is not perfect... this gave me pause. We all truly care about this sport and the system that is supposed to keep clean athletes safe.. I hope the sport and its communities continue to challenge and question WADA's process, making sure it's bulletproof and finessed.. Anyhow... you both are so so thoughful.. this is truly one of the only productive conversations out there on this topic. So appreciate your work.

Really enjoyed the content , however I think the thumbnail could be even more eye-catching. I've created one for this one :))

I started listening to this on a podcast and quickly realized I needed to watch it on RUclips so I could see the photos y’all (seriously, no, I don’t talk like this, but….Houston) were talking about. Wish I could’ve been there to see this live but, alas, Japan was calling to me, so I am enjoying this from my hotel room in Kyoto after a delicious bowl of Ramen and a Japanese beer. As usual, I would like to type more, but I’ve been whiskey tasting, and the whiskey is now kicking in. Suntory Royal 15 year is top notch. Cheers!

I love these two!

There’s no such thing as bad weather, just soft people.

The walks down memory lane are very cool. Thanks for sharing your memories.

So grateful to Kara for sharing her sadness about her running at this point. Your vulnerability really hit home for me as I'm facing an old injury flare-up just in time for my Marathon taper. You helped my tears flow a bit and while I doubt you will read this, I still wanted to say thank you 😊

Uta Pippig Boston, 1996. My poop hero!❤

Super pumped for this one. When people ask me who my favorite runners/inspirations are I just say the 2012 US Olympic team. Never a more iconic bunch than Des, Kara Shalane, Meb and Ryan hall

Pod on the road? Minnesota please! Kara, you know you want to. We could re-unite the Minnesota Avengers: Kara, Carrie, and Dakota.

Thanks for suggesting Severance. Wife and I are now caught up.

Congratulations on 3 years!

I would love for there to be some labor awareness here also - it's interesting to hear words like "appreciation" in these situations. This "reads" like anti-labor. Is it "just business" always? The reason we have labor laws is because businesses have power over workers and they do what they can to squeeze every ounce of "surplus" out of them. Your business, as far as I can tell, is very unstable and unpredictable - primarily because athletes "break" and are then "used up" and tossed aside.

my biggest pet peeve. Don't give any comment on the weather! Give Colin, From Accounts a watch. It's Australian humor, so very good.

at risk of getting into hot water again, I'd love to hear your thoughts about Shelby's return to racing this year and personally open to all opinions as I know this is a complicated situation which is exactly why I'd like to hear from people like you two abou tit

You guys navigate the brand concept so well. Each of you have become solo brands, a co-op brand, and also media and tv commentators. You rock. And I love Kara’s run pedigree and Des’s ongoing impressive results. Love you guys.

I recommend the movie Nightbitch starring Amy Adams. There were a lot of hardcore truths about becoming a new mother.

Very interesting discussion on brand contracts! Here are my two cents: it's just business-it always has been. In my NIKE blog post (where I discussed Kara’s book), my main point was that NIKE isn’t a sports brand-it’s a marketing brand. They’ll do whatever it takes to market their products and boost revenue. Also, the model of marketing products through celebrity athlete sponsorships was pioneered by NIKE too, which I also touched on in my article. That said, I’ve ditched NIKE and now exclusively run in Brooks shoes. Are Brooks the only shoes on the market? Of course not. But I chose Brooks because of Des Linden. After reading her book when it came out, I bought a pair of Brooks Ghosts and I liked them. When I decided to ditch NIKE after reading Kara’s book, I thought: BROOKS is my brand now! But was it because they’re the best? They work for me, but the best shoe or brand does not exist, it depends. But I chose Brooks because of Des. Everything she stands for-her authenticity, how she won Boston, her “tell-it-like-it-is” attitude-resonates with me. That connection with Des is what led me to Brooks. And Brooks knows this, otherwise she would not continue to enjoy their sponsorship. It’s the same reason Patagonia is my go-to clothing brand, or why I drive a Subaru and shop at REI. At the end of the day, it’s all marketing, but it’s marketing that aligns with my values. Those are my two cents! 🙂 Here's the link to my NIKE post if someone is interested: francescborrull.wordpress.com/2024/04/08/in-the-footsteps-of-nike-navigating-marketing-brilliance-and-corporate-responsibility/ Oh, by the way, I also loved Shrinking!!!