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Having everything handed to you on a platter with no effort would not improve the game. You need the challenge and the feeling of reward. And as the video points out, this has always been the way of Elite. 2024 saw some rebalancing to suit the current gaming landscape, but it very much kept the ethos of Elite present.

With FDev tweaking this in 2024 so you don't need to relog to play effectively at HGE or Crash sites, plus more mats as mission rewards, they've kept the thos but brought it up to date. IMO (as is everything here, enjoying the debate every week in the comments).

@@modernspectrumgaming but they changed it, so admitted it was done badly an grind, dont get me wrong, im glad they did, but if grind was good, why change it? i think it lost them a fair few players before they finally faced reality, hopefully now theyll carry on an sort the probs faster

When you have modern games giving you encouragement like a Vegas pinball machine, Elites "here's a line of text" reward is vastly different. Part of the controversy might simply be that the feeling of 'reward' is so different in the Elite universe than it is in say Balatro.

"...at least for me" is very much in effect. The Elite Scout is geared towards personal opinion; I wanted something that complements the various YT News channels and Streams. I'm the starting point, the debate continues.

It feels like an obvious spot, but part of me feels there should be some gaps, rather than something everywhere. It's a stretch but not hugely difficult to find the 8Bil you need for the Fleet Carrier (5B carrier, 2B outfitting, 1B running costs for 40 weeks). And if you can get 8B, you can find the weekly cost. What I would love though is a Fleet Carrier outfitted for exploration. Longer jump range, more fuel efficient, but reduced cargo space, would 10,000t work, enough for a Vista, Cartographics, Shipyard for friends. Give it the range to do Sol to Beagle Point. That feels like a 3B purchase, and can be done within the existing code.

Curious to see the handling, yes. Given how slippy the Mandalay is, there's not much twitchyness left for the Mediums.

I feel the cobra mkV as a medium will be a pure nostalgia ship. Likely I will fly but when I need to get job done I’ll switch to more effective medium ship. Such a pity. I could say the same about small Cobras too though. Given anniversary I welcome a tip of the hat nostalgic celebration with new cobra. Especially since I have no access to mkIV.

ASP Scout fan here as well (I mean, I think the videos and channel name give it away). There is a place for a medium Multi-Role ship, and I could get behind this being an Aspie2... because it's certainly not a Cobra!

Indeed you did, and I salute you, even more restrictive than the Spectrum.

48k decadence 😄

Well, you did steal all the nice keyboards from us.

@ blame Clive for the keyboards. His idea of what looked good was the issue

If it looked cheap, it looked good to Clive.

I was pretty sure someone would spot that one and have a quiet chuckle. Congratulations.

Have fun!

A shade over 100 jumps from the Bubble to Colonia, with a bit of focus took me just over three hours to get there. It's a beast

I'll film it in deep space next time (or fix the balance ;-) )

And lots of variants in the comments, plenty for everyone to explore!

thx

Do note that there's some engineering in there, but looking forward to what you can put together. Let us know!

@@modernspectrumgaming my intensions is mainly to discover and to get some components to upgrade so i thought this would be a quicker way.

Happy to give you the quickstart. If you're still early days, I'd move the powerplant up to Class 4 or Class 5 to give you more headroom to play around with outfitting. This build is pretty tight to get weight down.

@@modernspectrumgaming now that would be a good idea , i have been playing for some time but i have been doing a lot of trading etc and movement of goods . so i bought this ship to get me more places for upgrades , i do have most of the ships but i like the style and the capabilities of this ship. not done the power plants but top of my list now.

There are a lot of ships, and each one has a lot of tweaks and builds. You'll find your forever ship soon enough (but of course you'll ned up with a hanger of ships for dedicated things!). For obvious reasons, I'm an ASP Scout fan.

It's a balance on going lighter, and going for the efficiency. The 2A was cutting it really fine on power budget for what I wanted. 3A vs 3D? Curiously I've put the Coriolis build with 3A, so clearly even I can't make my mind up!

@@modernspectrumgaming Well I'd counter against what you're saying by you engineering your drives as clean "for heat" but between your clean drives and your D-rated powerplant your heat while scooping is the same as a regular A-Rated dirty drive Mandalay so really all you're doing is gimping your ships normal space performance for a placebo affect when it comes to heat. The only thing you're getting out of those choices is a little more jump range. I'd argue that going full dirty drives increases your survivability far more than any other modification possibly could. This is especially true since you're using D-Rated thrusters and as a result are already dramatically slower than you should be. Your build with A-Rated thrusters and dirty drives would probably get between 570-600ms top speed.

Good counter. I wish I had planned it out and could say *ahah, see more jump range* but I'm not that meticulous. Although I'd be interested to see a big specs breakdown to find out if that's the case with *this* ship.

@@modernspectrumgaming Yeah until we get an edsy update with the Mandalay that'll be pretty hard to do effectively. I personally sit in the middle between the explorer folk and the pvp folk. Having been exclusively open play as a lawful enforcer and pre-engineers being heavy into PVP... I tend to focus everything I build on surviving in Open. The Mandalay honestly deserves more. I'm running one right now with no weapons and an A-Rated core with Sensors & Life Support D-rated for range/speed and I'm running 587ms, 55ly laden jump range and 70.88 unladen with a G5 guardian FSD booster and 3A Prismatic shield boasting 1195mj shield tank. I have another multirole build that is also sits between 45-50ly (without a guardian FSD booster) and can do a crapload of activities in the game. Frontier finally gave explorers a ship that can both multirole and explore while still being fast and fun to fly and it deserves to be fit for more than minmaxed range imo. Builds that follow the typical exploration meta are squishy and die easily, even to NPC's. Something I rarely ever hear explorers talk about or acknowledge for example is the longer you sit in supercruise the more your ships integrity is reduced. As your ship integrity drops from 100% to 0% there is a sliding scale that goes from 0% increased damage at 100% integrity to 30% increase damage at 0% integrity (to the ship itself, not the shields). What this winds up meaning is that the moment your "bumper" shields go off, you're taking 30% more damage of whatever is incoming. On top of that typical explorer builds also have multiple negative resists which are also increasing your incoming damage. The result winds up being ~60% or higher increased damage and very small mistakes being absolutely catastrophic. None of this is of course to dog on you or your build. I only bother to mention any of this because you choose to make sacrifices to your range for things that make sense. I just want to encourage you to push a bit further and really embrace the insane levels of OP that the Mandalay can boast. Even if you run a Mandalay full bore you're still getting a 40-50ly jump range without guardian FSD boosters, which is more than enough to deal with almost anywhere but the absolute most extreme gaps between stars, and lets face it if you have a carrier you are toting around the galaxy with you, you can have an extreme build for those scenarios when required. Anyways I enjoyed your video and I hope you are enjoying your Mandalay as much as I am mine!

@@CMDRArsenCross Really appreciate this, didn't take it as a dog on the build at all. I do wonder if the increased NPC aggression discussed in PowerPlay 2,0 spaces will also have an impact on the general state of "Dangerousness" in the Galaxy... if so, the paper builds may get a touch more exposed over the next few months. That would be ... interesting! Presumably your build is engineering up the Prismatics and throwing some shield boosters on? And, ssh, but *not* having the data from EDSY/Coriolis to work on the build has been refreshing. Tha's not to say I never want them there, but doing the old fashioned work/maths/feeling of old... welcome back!

I very much agree. As the video notes, the elements are there, but FDev has avoided going down that route. Hopefully Early Access is enough of a success that they don't have to consider it.

The original kickstarter said: "We intend to continue expanding the game both with new content and new features... We also want to add leaving the ships so you can explore space stations or board enemy vessels or even just to look around your own ship." I'd argue that intend/want are not close to promise (but I can also argue why they read like that). It also said: "[these would] need proper development resources to do them well" and I think this is the one of note in 2024. FDev don't have the resources (that I can see) to do them well. www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous

I;ve not done a wholesale must change everything, more just "as and when." 100% agree that the gravity well kick is a great benefit.

I have a Python (The Runner) which is pretty much for action in the Bubble (mostly helping with BGS). The cargo space limits some options, but everything else is set for fast mission competition

Not just into a Titan, but on three attack runs to get the action shot. The little ASP that could survived two of them.

"enjoyable and useful gameplay", suggests either diluting the pure flight sim experience to do a function on foot that is capable in the cockpit now,; or to make it optional. I'd hate the former, and the latter defeats the object I think.

@@modernspectrumgaming Thing is, if ship interiors were a thing, I'd like to see them involve a heap of completely new equipment, that you could fit into your ship, which'd give you stuff to do completely outside of the current flight-related gameplay. Might be something as straightforward as going to a cargo bay, figuring out how to open an escape-pod, speaking to the occupant and getting offered a mission to do something for them. I wouldn't mind if it also gave us the option to grab our space-toolkit and then go and tune up our FSD or thrusters but that should be a secondary activity while the important stuff would be entirely new.

@@SiCrewe , the phrase that caught my eye here was this "completely outside of the current flight-related gameplay." For some in the community, they want Elite Dangerous to be, for want of a better word, "the everything game", an RPG with FPS, crafting, flying, walking, base building, galactic politics, tactical wargaming.... Perhaps I'm being controversial when I say "nope, let others do that, just focus on doing what you've always done... a really good spaceship sim." Welcome to the delight of having an editorial/opinion output instead of a weekly news and facts channel; and a group of commenters already who can debate civilly.

@@modernspectrumgaming Interesting POV and I can see where you're coming from. I mean, given that the ships in ED are flown by a single person, everything SHOULD really to be accessible from the cockpit instrumentation. To continue with the flight-sim' analogy, though, there are different types of aircraft. If you're simulating an F16 then it's going to be a fairly standard sim. If, OTOH, you were creating a sim' of flying an AWACS or a C130 gunship then the actual piloting might only be a part of what's involved... and walking around inside the aircraft might be an important part of the sim. I'd like to think ED does/could have a broad enough scope for what we can do in ships that interiors could - if done for a good reason - expand on what we can do. Honestly, though, I think it's a moot point because I don't reckon there's any chance that FDev is ever going to figure out how to create fully realised ship interiors. It'd just be too hard to create a system that'd create a plausible ship interior when you could fit cargo racks, limpet controllers, passenger cabins, fighter bays or HRPs in the same slot. About the only way it might work would be if FDev created a system that allowed us to manually design our ship interiors for ourselves, using a bunch of Fallout-style prefabricated "blocks".... and, honestly, that would be tedious as hell!

And that's a great basis for a game, but to me ithat's more an RPG/FPS than a Spaceship Sim. (Stare Citizen, can't decide if that's a typo or not).

I'm sorry that the community has treated you that way. It looks to me that FDev totally overstretched themselves on Odyssey, and tried to develop more than they code, with the resources available to them, and as deadlines passed and internal pressure demanded a release, more and more ideas had to be dropped. Given it was share price stuff, part of me can see why they couldn't say anything, but the gamer/community bod in me wishes they could have. It's a salient warning to trying to add too much to the game right now - there's even less resources available, even with the new focus on sensible recurring income (thankfully with no loot boxes). Fly safe, whichever Universe you end in.

One lesson I hope they take on board is to do new things (eg the Titans, modules, pods, etc) but be aware of the scope vs resources they have. Odyssey was too much scope with far too few resources.

The Mandalay should become available on Oct 22 as part of the next update (elite dangerous ascendency). I'm expecting it to cost ARX for a few months, before becoming generally available for credits. That's the same path taken by the Python mk2 and the Type 8 Freighter.

It woudl add to the Multicrew experience, but then some of the mutlicrew bugs will need a lot of attention!

I always love a well-argued and civil disagreement, keep them coming. This is, after all, a place for opinions and considered takes!

@@modernspectrumgaming yes, exactly! And I do still partially agree with you here. The key focus should be on the ships. It's just that space legs should be considered a secondary aspect connected to that primary which helps enhance the meaning and immersion of ship experience. Ship interiors is not near as important in my opinion. But making a clear distinguishment between the ship and the player is important to make the world feel grounded in our reality as people, thus improving the immersion and connectivity of many gamer types such as my self (immersive gamers). Keep up the nice videos! I enjoy your stuff =)

@@revelation_jeff2951 I agree with your final point here. I’d also like to add that while a lot of people will say “space legs wasn’t part of the original Elite experience”, it’s important to consider that in 1984, the decision to not add space legs was most definitely a technical limitation rather than a conceptual choice against it. If they could have added it in a viable and interesting way, they certainly would have.

@@DUEL.FATALIS Thanks for that and yea its a logical step that any space sim should take to more fully immerse the player into the sim. We are not ships, we are people flying ships! =)

@@revelation_jeff2951 exactly

Thanks for stopping by!

I'd be very interested to know just how many Dev Hours a month Elite gets from FDev; are we seeing the max effort from a very small team with PowerPlay 2, new ships, etc, or is it a larger team and we're seeing 10 percent of the work at the moment to keep us interested?

@@modernspectrumgaming absolutely agree. Hard to say. It’d be cool if they just started reinvesting 100% of profit into development but that’s a big ask. Crazy to think what they could do.

Given some of the previous title failures, I can imagine Elite being used to support other projects as well as itself.

I think "produce unnecessary tediousness" is the key phrase there, because if Elite Dangerous' devs aregood at one thing, it's adding unnecessary tediousness!

@@modernspectrumgaming That is what I am afraid of on ship interiors. Walking around the ship and checking out it's features would be interested the first couple of times but I don't want to have to run through the ship every time I want to get in/out or have to work on multiple systems to scavenge the parts to get my broken FSD to work well enough to reach a station. Before interiors I would rather see salvage equipment added. Find wrecked/dead in space ships to hook on to and drag back to a station to sell for scrap or repair and add to your fleet.

Ship Interiros for the sake of ship interiors, with game lops that are 'cute' but already present in shorter forms (see Fleet Carrier jumping) would be a 'after first couple of times, no thanks' move.

Ah the current debate to end all debates; are ship interiors needed? Given the increased discussion this week following Obsidian Ant's video, I *might* have found this week's topic for the Scout Report!

Yep, great that you found something you love playing the game with (and contributing to the game beyond that one-off purchase price however long ago that was!).

I have this image of a Low-Cost Airline pack em in high and tight . Just how many steerage can a T8 hold? And will they all get peanuts?

@@modernspectrumgaming yeah - it aint the Beluga!

I mean, It's 134 credits I can't spare, for a ship I'm never going to fly,

ASPX feels like a beautiful ship to me, it feels right. The Krait is so flat on top it's just... boring, although as an all-rounder AX/Thargoid weapon, I've grown to appreciate the brutish power it has.

The best way to fly!

People who prefer a lot of multiple roles 😅

Ever seen a 6x ModShard take on a Thargoid? It's the last thing the Thargoid will ever see!

I use one, I like big heavy ships getting them into places they got no business being into. XD. Also I don't mind the heavy handling of the big bastards. It also helps that I have a virpil Alpha joystick

Get yourself a supercold Keelback, great potential to roleplay a basic pirate and smuggler at the start of their career.

Exploration is very much about the journey and tweaking routes. Even on a direct line to Colonia I found far more undiscovered systems travelling in a Sidewinder. One note I would make is that having a longer jump range means that the smaller jumps as you explore around a fixed point use much less fuel, giving you more safety margin to find a fuelstar if things go terribly wrong!

Yeah when you are at the galaxy border you def need the jump range

Jump range helps you explore remote areas where stars are far apart. It also could save you a lot of time traveling if you wanna get somewhere. Let's say I'm in the Bubble but I wanna be exploring in the galaxy's centre. Having more jump range will save me a lot of time getting here. And the main reason why I'll get the new ship is how it looks and the cockpit view. I love my Krait Phantom. Beautiful ship but god I hate those pillars on top left and top right that block your view quite a lot when trying to take in a view like Nebula. New ship is gonna have the best jump range, great mobility, beautiful cockpit with a good view. Sure Asp explorer will still be the king when it comes to view. But I just don't like the ship itself that much and oh my god the cockpit itself looks so cheap. It's just scratched metal. New ship is pretty much a dream come true for me. It's pretty, great jump range, nimble, good view, pretty cockpit.

I'll still be getting a Mandalay ASAP. The improvements are nice, but my main concern is it's landing footprint. If I feel it's too large, I'll put the ship away for "as needed" use. For me, those improvements just aren't worth having to skip bio's on a regular basis. My trusty DBX hasn't failed me yet.

@@fixitman2174 One of the biggest reasons for me to buy the Mandalay is a simple one... it supports the new FDev approach and helps keep the game alive. What it does in-game is all bonus!