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I honestly think Frank was supposed to be a killer and then they scrapped him because of the reactions to the game. Throughout the game, there were dolls of killers to collect, and at the end there's a doll of Frank Stone himself dubbed 'The Champion'. Why make a killer doll of him if they didn't want us to think he was going to join their ranks as a DBD killer???

I just bought her and she is fun but oml she is so jankey and buggy

I honestly think they are way over their heads, if they can't get the main game of Dead By Daylight to it's full potential then why branch out to other games when the main game isn't even at peak quality? Edit: I'd also like to say I feel like if they would try to take a chapter or two away for bug and game fixes instead of chapters, I'd be more long term success then short term, which is what I feel they are more worried about.

Hey uh idk if you noticed but Valo and League both have gotten less value per skin tier since the last round of layoffs. The barely fly by with only a few voices in the community standing againts said abusive practices. Not to mention league has recently made getting new champions even more painful then DBD character unlocks with what i would consider minimal lashback from the community

The Casting of Frank Stone seemed like such a natural fit for both companies that, even knowing full well that The Casting Of Frank Stone sucked, I would still buy a second try at the idea. Spending so much time on the stupid multiverse and entity cult shit really killed TCoFS. If they had stayed laser focused on Frank Stone as a mortal serial killer and his immortalization by the entity it could've been so much better.

For DBD I have said this to many family members and friends I met in dbd no less on steam if I hadn't been playing dbd since launch year I would have stopped playing years ago BHVR doesn't seem to care about the fans and just money and licensee holders they can rub shoulders with and only does something when they are yelled at loud enough on Twitter most DBD fans now only play it for the new licensees and not for horror or scares or original chapters yet the devs keep advertising it as a horror game when it really not any more

3:05 Looking at the comments on dbd Twitter and there Reddit probably

I love Xeno's live music, but I do feel more of like, a person going insane type of feel with it rather than an alien creature stalking you. Also love Unknown's first 3 layers, but feel his chase is too tribal. The background noises fit but the weird drum bell sounding thing (dunno what it's called) doesn't fit IMO

I don't feel Legion's music fits as a chase tbh Also I'm surprised Nemmy ain't higher

damn bruh what did that poor clown do to you to make you act so toxic towards him :(

Not everyone has access to play as all the killers, so a little overlap in killer powers probably isn't a terrible thing from that perspective. However, I do feel like this also exemplifies the pay to win accusations.

My sister and I adore the Supermassive games, but we straight up forgot this one existed

I feel for everyone who had a shit experience with Frank Stone. Luckily mine was smooth sailing on ps5 at launch. But they definitely need to get their shit together.

i’m gonna pretend house of ashes isn’t included in the dark pictures slander section

Honestly, while I did like the game, I was expecting that at some point I would actually get to play as Frank Stone in the 1960s. It might just be my killer main brain talking here, but to me it seems baffling that a game set in the world of Dead by Daylight, a game where one of the big draws is that you can play as both the survivor and the killer, only tells the story from the survivors' POV. It would have been cool if we got just a few scenes where we played as Frank and seeing the events that led up to his death from his perspective, and even cooler if those choices impacted Frank's behavior in the final Manor scene. Like one path could have him act like he did in the actual game, but if he was more reluctant he might end up letting Stan get away, or if he really hated Augustine he might ignore the others entirely and hard tunnel her the moment he's summoned.

Please let's not normalize the term Deli 😂

Behavior is completely incompetent, they got lucky with dbd's timing since evolve was shut down and the playerbase needed a new game Behavior has been floundering ever since

gta online vs dbd the ultimate shitmatch

I wonder with all these consistent license chapters coming out, it pushed back frank stone? It just does not make any sense why they would t add him and the 4 potential survivors into the game!

I would play meet your maker if it was in a different setting/theme. When I see that game I just see a bunch of rusty ass metal and some doom monsters.

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I genuinely wonder when Wraith, Huntress, and Plague will finally get actual chase music of their own.

the greek legends theme reminded me of my favorite game of all time; Bastion. it has that same twang and sort of chaotic feel, but with such a unique composition. Personally gonna purchase one of the Greek Legends just for the nostalgia.

Honestly I was obsessed with getting my hands on this game but not at full price and the longer I go without the game. The more I am happy with that decision which makes me very very sad since this game turned out to be supermassives most goriest game

The word "potential" is bold. Supermassive and BHVR have both made a single good (although can we really call DbD "good") and well known game amongst a sea of mediocrity. If anything this outcome should have been obvious and expected. I knew this game would be mid the second I heard of it and I never bothered to look into it or read about it at all.

I think super massive has always been pretty wack so it kinda was a red flag from the beginning imo lol

This is why I was and still worried about BHVR buying Red Hook studios. Cause right after this hot ass mess of a game?!?

Love the video and the use of Starfield's ost in the background!

I actually enjoyed this game but it definitely felt rushed

oh my god they flipped the piano in lich's chase music because he's a necromancer that subverts the natural order

I wouldn't be surprised considering Supermassive Games' track record.

So I knew going into TCoFS that it wasn't the best, but it expanded the lore of the DBD universe. But Long before any of that, it was promoted as the first killer of DBD. So I wanted to know how they either pivot to make Frank work with Evan (aka The Trapper - aka the poster boy of DBD) or how Frank is the OG killer that brings the entity about. Absolutely none of that occurs. at best he's a childnapping bodyguard to Augustine who knows way more than she ever should about the entity and the inter-dimentional links of the games multi-verse. Which is a headache all of it's own. Yet worse of all he is a visually forgettable character, with zero menace, due to how he is telegraphed to the player. But I genuinely think that is a BHVR problem, not a supermassive one. Because to give a killer a personality, means voice work beyond grunts and moans. Now regardless of how they play, or how you feel about the playstyle of killers like Hellraiser, Chucky, Dracula, Wesker, Vecna etc. these killers come to life with some menacing voice lines. Frank by the end is just a forced grumbling M1 killer. His power shouldn't be a weaker version of the Spirit that can be combated with a 8mm camera, even if it looks cool. BHVR 100% should put him into the game though. It should be a mandatory addition. This is devil's adovcate, but they could push more sales with a exclusive skin for people who own frank stone, possibly a variant for deluxe edition. along with some buyable for all alternative skins. I t might just be easier to add cosmetic cosplays for existing survivors for the other 'survivors'. It would boost some trust, and because of the distance from TCoFS you avoided spoiling to that point, but his lore should just be his own perspective on the final events leading up to him becoming a killer for the entity and those final moments. as everything else is almost in the game of his own name. There is some good will BHVR need to return on this besides BP, some shirts and banner icons, because its low effort drivvel. When another studio forged an entire original killer around your IP. If SuperMassive EVER get another shot at this, especially with the multiverse aspect deep in play, it is the full origins of Dwight, Meg, Claudette and Jake's stories of entering the fog. have Nea & David listed as options for DLC based on sales. But I think a big part of the poor lore, is by not having the established characters play no part other than silouettes or mentions. Plus with each character being linked to the main killers, it'd be just right to see how they came to be outside of paragraphs of text.

My favorites: 1. P.H. ------ 29:57 2. 32:17 -------- Blight 3. Dredge 48:33 4. 38:43 ------ Nemesis 5. Knight 52:15 6. 23:46 ------ Oni 7. Hillbilly 3:13 8. 15:42 Legion 9. Trickster 36:34 1:03:47 End of video

My favourites: __8:19 ------- 9:25Hag Spirit 15:21 -------- 16:49 24:17 ------- 25:41 Oni Deathslinger 26:15 ------ 28:10 34:44 ------- 35:49 Trickster _______Nemesis 36:30 -------- 37:35 46:58 ------- 48:20 Wesker End: 58:20

We were robbed. PTB layer 4 Xeno sounds like Nostromo alarms and gave me chills

The problem of people who don't know anything or enjoy DBD isn't because they dont know about dbd. Its just the shitty writing and cringe characters and dialogue. You can have a game with a ton of fan service because if the writing is good with a interesting story with likeable characters. New players will want to find more about it

I don't play to win. I play to play. I play perks I like. That's it

Hold up this is the same guy that makes music tier list?

I just really wish we followed Augustine and Frank around more, their story could've been so much more fleshed out and interesting. I do like Linda but the other playable characters fell a bit flat for me, I just didn't find them compelling. There was so much in this story that I wish they showed rather than told. I want to know why Augustine was so obsessed with the Entity, why she was so heartless, how she molded Frank into a killer, etc. Instead we follow a couple of clueless doofuses around as they stumble about and occasionally run into (and away from) Frank. And don't even get me started on Frank, all his encounters with the protagonists make him look astonishingly bad at doing the one thing he was trained to do: Kill. In my opinion, this story would've worked better if we had the villains as playable characters.

I feel so validated after seeing other people calling this cringe. Don't get me wrong, I liked it, I like DbD, but the dialogue in this game was just so cringey. I get it, its fan service half the time, but you also have to deliver said fan service in a satisfying and non-forceful way. When this game first came out and my friends asked what I thought of it I told them just that and they all acted like I was crazy, but after seeing how this game basically became a nothing burger and reading how many reviews have said the same thing as me, I know I'm not lol

I remember all of the stupid fan boy and girl snobs shitting on every streamer for disliking this game. Jaboody show was so bored playing they were literally falling asleep playing… it’s shit. Yet so many people SHIT on them for not “playing it all the way through” to truly see how great it was. Honestly doesn’t matter what either company does; dbd fan base is so hilariously toxic as fuck it puts league to shame

My Faith In BHVR'S decisions has been low since they canned DeathGarden, the dbd devotion progression being trash, and them getting rid of splinters. They actually caught lighting in a bottle twice imo. However they valued short term monetary gain over longterm player good faith.

I haven't finished the video yet, but considering it's a bit over a half hour imma just type this now and if it comes up later then oh well lol My BIGGEST issue with the casting of frank stone. . . is it leaned on and tried to rely waaaay too heavily on the dbd universe and brand to the point where the biggest thing it had going for it, was the biggest thing working against it too. I bought the game for frank stone, not like five or more other killers that aren't even related to the story. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it shouldn't have had references or connections. I'm saying it needed to tone them down. I was so disappointed by the end of it because frank stone genuinely felt like he was just kinda *there*. I'm fine that Augustine was the main antagonist pulling the strings and he was pretty much second to her. But frank stone deserved so much, and i mean SO MUCH more attention and love. Instead it felt like every other moment the game actively tried to shove in your face "LOOK DBD REFERENCE, I'M IN THE SAME UNIVERSE REMEMBER?!?! YOU REMEMBER RIGHT?!?!". Overall frank stone deserved so much more love and it's a shame he felt like a flip note for so much of his own game. Justice for frank stone is deserved. Edit: finished the video and it did come up, let's gooooo

I read that bhvr had supermassive cut a lot of things out of the final version of casting of frank stone. Supermassive wanted to make it longer and added more and bhvr did not want to spend more money on production.

I have 2 or 3k hours on dbd, I bought all the supermassive games excpet for Little hope... I hated every second of these mindless, easy to despise characters... the story, the pacing, the lack of any meaningful connection to dbd, and lack of exploration of the entity... im pretty done with dbd and supermassive will have to do a lot to prove they deserve a second chance.

The weirdest part is those dolls you collect. If you get them all there is still one missing.. the last one is Frank Stone right at the end of the game, the game gives it to you right at the end. Which implies he will become an original killer just like all the other dolls. I quite enjoyed the game, I haven't played it more than once though despite me completing Until Dawn, the Quarry and multiple of the Dark Pictures series 5 times over.

Confused at the critiques of Dark Pictures, ive played them all and been tapped into the general thoughts of each, each one improved on the last and while not the pinnicle of gaming i havent heard or experienced much of the critiques you had. The quarry definitely has its issues due to it being supposed to be until dawn 2 but then had the rug pulled from under them. As for frank stone, completely agree with you as a fan of both franchises i was SOO excited for that game but i felt that the story was half baked, frank stone is just kinda there and at the end it just felt like a bit confusing knowing dbds lore. And then, knowing the dark pictures' story writing abilities, it leads me to believe that bhvr dropped the ball when communicating to supermassive

Honestly, when the trial start jiggle played I prepared myself to finally get to the good part of the game,... But it ended right there and credits rolled. Why were there no dbd chasing parts? I expected something like Haunting Ground.

Amazing

Idk I liked the game but I feel like if you don’t play dbd you won’t really understand anything or enjoy it as much