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Amazing! Great stuff! Keep teaching! Eimi auton protimó to lego prosodie. Correct my grammar.

Intersections between appeal to pity/victimhood/guilt tripping?

I blame only one person for the mess up of the Greek language to our Western friends. Erasmuse's Mother !

Cuando espero videos nuevos, vengo donde comenzó todo

Meaningless without showing the text they are reading.

A very useful video. But can you explain what seem to be two accents on the first syllable of ἄνθρωπος? Many thanks.

The thing with 'speakers of Erasmian Greek' is that they are almost always non-Greeks. As such they sound like what some ancient northern barbarian (Hyperborean) may have sounded like having mastered Greek ... fluent, no doubt, but a little rough ... Having said that you do a very good job. Your 'tau', for example, sounds like a modern Greek one in contrast to the the almost aspirated 't' that native English-speakers tend to use.

I have never understood why they teach ancient Greek the way they do. It would make more sense to teach it with modern Greek pronunciation, which sounds better and frankly more natural. It's not as though any student of ancient Greek is going to run into an ancient on the streets and needs to approximate the sounds from over 2000 years ago. I lived in Greece for four years and learned modern Greek, but can barely make out 1 word in 50 of ancient Greek when it is pronounced the scholarly way, but when pronounced with modern Greek style around a third is comprehensible.

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I’ve walked past this so many times wondering what the Greek said! Now I know. Thanks Chihon Teaches 😁✌🏻

Before even listening to the erasmian pronounciation It is terrible It has no flow There is no way that ancient Greek functioned with a language like that Listening to yours, i have to say a couple of things It had sounds for example "oi" that aren't just that... "oi" it was a combination, not the one we have today, but one that made a like "oi" sound Also, I don't agree in the modern pronounciation of consonants like "χ" or "φ" sounds which aren't common in ancient greek Think of them like the Cypriot versions of κ or π Last thing, I'm pretty sure the ypsilon made a soundd close to the roman v, or maybe a little softer closer to an 'oo' sound

thanks bro!

I'd love to form a Greek poetry reading group, e.g. we could work through the Oresteia. Anyone interested?

Sorry, I'm an ancient greek newb, can someone explain what's so cringy about the erasmian pronounciation? Isn't it considered to be relatively close to the actual pronounciation of 5th century bc attic greek? I mean, I wouldn't cringe if a non native english speaker read Beowulf in a believable old-english instead of a modern english pronounciation. So what's the matter?

Where's the part 3?

I have made comment, to another of your videos also. Really grateful, to your projects. As native greek speaker, is more amusing to me to hear examples, (as parts) of a sentence...rather to explain a small part . Hope you find this information, usefull. Perhaps my fifty years, make me more slow, and i'd ptefer the speed of your speech, litle slower, because i can't follow all the meanings easily.but its up to you, to chose the appropriate speed of your lesson. I 'd like to accept congratulations, also for your improvement , as you speak as more an active actor!

There is no evidence that the Erasmian pronounciation was ever in use, let alone in the 4th century. If it was, we would not have mispellings such as "loimos" as "limos" as described by Thucydides who, guess what, lived during the 5th century BC.

Ancient greek,specially koini helleniki is still alive ,througth the orthodox liturgy. Greek language is a non stop spoken language, for 3500 years. You can t think greek language and culture without historik continuity. Greek monks copied ancients textures,philosofers,historians,theatre writters,even Aristofanes, without censorship. Also poems and songs as akritik byzantine songs that we can find at all greek diallets,( cypriots,cretans,pontiaks etc)are sources of greek language. Kavafis unite ancient and byzantine hellenism.As Papadiamantis do in a way. Thank you for your love of greek language

Hadn't I spotted the word _ανθρώπους_ I'd definitely think you were speaking a mixture of Latin and Japanese! 😂 For the record, I *strongly* believe that Erasmian pronunciation is totally nonsense.

The modern Greek reading made it quite comprensible.

You have the cases in the wrong order: Nom. Gen. Dat. Acc.

Παρακαλω πεστε επιτελους να σταματησουν να μιλανε με αυτη την αθλια προφορα του Ερασμου,ελεος ειναι το λιγοτερο που μπορει να πει κανεις αθλια και αποπροσανατολιστικη...ελεος Λ

If you look closely enough, no grammatical feature is really ever “gone”; there’s just about always a trace here and there. I mean, in English we “don’t have cases”, but we have an inflected possessive with an ending very similar to some old English genitive endings and we have different pronouns for different functions (e.g. the distinction made between “I”, “me”, & “my”, or “they”, “them”, & “their”). Another example is that the Latin locative case was “lost”, but if the Latin word for “at home” (“domi”, if I’m not mistaken) has a fossilized locative ending.

Braaaavo to you from NYC!! I enjoy your channel and your passion for Greek!!

The PICH for learning ancient Greek was great, but I soon realised I had made a GRAVE mistake, for the STRESS of learning this language is immensely and you won't be SMOOTH BREATHING while trying to understand Thucydides, you really need to.... Cyrcumflex your shelf or something idk I run out of puns

As a Greek I do understand the pronunciation issue in learning ancient, but what always annoyed me relatively indipendent of that was that we learn all the diacritics of the polytonic system without actually using them. We are never even taught what they do. So then what's even the point?

This word scares me

¿El hecho de que el personaje falaz nos explique su error quiere decir que aprendió? ¿O que el médico optó por abandonar el reel indignado y necesitaban que alguien explicase el tema?

Is that κοκορέτσι?

Inviten 😒

Im macedonian but still happy easter!

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YOU'RE BAAAAAAAACK❤❤❤

ty will be using these to sound out my interlinear ancient greek bible.

Which are the 3 accents that Joanna is referring to ?

Erasmus guessed the [ej] sound for “ει”, but now we know it probably had the sound [eː].

We have a word in italian: “Epopèa”, i suppose it derives from the word “εποποιία»… and even if I’ve never studied ancient/modern greek, when I’ve heard the pronunciation at 3:50… i didn’t like it, it sounded very strange. when the girl reads it at 7:41: that’s a sound that i recognise, because it’s really similar to the italian word “epopèa”. really fascinating how our italian culture derives from ancient greece. 🇬🇷 ❤🇮🇹

Πρόβατα - one word

I really need this. I am on a break from school and have a lot of time so I decided to climb mount everest. Thanks for teaching. I want to read Aristotle in Greek.

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I am currently visiting Athens and realised yesterday that I'm a moron. I was trying to use words I read in lexicons of everyday greek and use the words I saw (for instance the name of a baked good in a shop window). I studied ancient greek and used the pronunciation I was taught. I now understand why people were looking at me funny... Thank you for this video.

When we learn from a book, we dont have the benefit of hearing it, as opposed to hearing a word spoken naturally out loud. Hearing it out loud makes it so much easier to naturally internalize and pick up the correct accent. Today I still have words I mispronounce because I didn't always read the accents correctly.

Hellenic and Greece are very different languages. Today Greece’s don’t understand old one especially old writers.

Did the language change any from say, the time of the Trojan War, to the Hellenistic and then Clasical periods, or was it all just ancient greek?

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Wonderful video I really enjoyed it!

Minor differences in pronunciation, easy to get used to. The fact is that I don't think that there is a language so well preserved over 2,500 years, without the benefit of the printing press, radio, TV or the internet.

Great video, guys! Although I have the utmost respect for anyone willing to learn the Greek language (from any time period) I am definitely on the Modern Greek pronunciation side here. I don't want to undermine the meticulous work behind all the various reconstructed pronunciations of Ancient Greek, but to me at least, they come across as artificial and forced when put into practice. Language relies on actually hearing sounds and repeating them, the human brain is wired to do so. To extrapolate the sounds of human speech, exactly, with all the subtle nuances, the cadence and inflections and tones, from written texts alone is next to impossible. So, one can never know exactly how accurate he/she is being to the original pronunciation when trying to use one of these reconstructed phonologies. One must constantly look over one's shoulder, so to speak, doubting whether or not that eta was too long, that acute accent was too high, that grave accent was too low. How can you be sure without a native speaker or voice recording to correct you? To add to that, eta is sometimes said to sound like the long e sound in the English "air" and omega like the o in the English "or", but here is the problem: Which of the multitude of English accents out there is correct here? The British, the Americans, the Irish, the Scottish, the Australians all pronounce "air" and "or" differently, so who is right, which version of air and or did Ancient Greek sound like? Now, I understand we have evidences from various ancient texts outlining, for example, the difference between long vowels and short vowels, the nature of voiced/unvoiced plosives and aspirates, pitch accent and meter. However, these only paint a rough picture, like disconnected pieces of a puzzle, they are simply not enough to complete said puzzle and fully restore, essentially, the voices of people like Homer, Socrates, Plato and Plutarch. In my humble opinion, I think it is wiser to leave the data where they lie - in written print or carved stone etchings - appreciate them, consider them, but take them no further than that. Instead, we can use the one phonology of Greek that we have available, the one used consistently amongst all native Greek speakers, the one we have countless audio recordings of, the only verifiably correct system of pronunciation at least for one period of time in the language's long history: Modern Greek.

I found the video really useful. thanks.

Thank you for today's amazing experience.I am now looking forward to exploring your other works online. Best wishes, Alex (big guy from London)