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He wants out of having to wear the red shirt every episode.

Yeah they get access to death and heavens magic in the tabletop

Crow allegiance huh? Yeah, it might take me a while to get around to that but I always welcome interesting ideas!

Well they SHOULD all have their uses, ideally. Some probably have less than others, that's how people felt for General of the Empire for the longest time, even if I always felt griffons were very decent personally.

@@OffToBattlejust gotta air a gripe I have with the griffon mount. I don’t think the AP damage and terror is a big enough bonus to lose having a shield. It’s 30% missile block chance and the griffon is a huge target anyway so I don’t see why CA felt the need to make that part of the trade off

@@OffToBattle Yeah of course, I don't think anyone wants any heroes/lords to have no uses. I'm posing the question more as which ones fail to be good at anything. I agree that General of the Empire is kind of disappointing. It's buffs to certain army units don't amount to much. It feels like the griffons were suppose to be a power spike to make them more viable. Feels like they do same thing with Boyars and to a lesser extent Patriarchs. They're not terrible, but they don't seem to be on the weak end when compared to other factions equivalent. Feels like CA used strong mounts in attempt to get them to parity.

That immunity is personal, and applies to Slaughtermasters, I think Butchers too, but it's still convenient. And yeah I find Greasus more quirky and amusing personally.

Very cool!

Heh.

Skrag can really use it, absolutely! Though he has very decent power despite all that.

@@OffToBattle Definitely. Ogre Lords/Heroes don't need a big overhaul, just some touching up QoL changes to make them up to snuff in comparison to other races. Like removing/changing all the useless and duplicate stuff they have.

@@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll I agree so I hope Ogres get just that, like Empire had for its heroes.

Spreading the joy?

@@OffToBattle Well, his friends seem to like it, at least! They're starved!

Understandable. AI Elspeth seems not to use her stuff properly... I've seen Skrag sitting on Nuln more than once playing as Franz. Player-run Skrag would have the wall shattering ability on a 45 second perpetual cooldown against proper walls though... that and Gorgers with Stalk running, well, backcapping becomes a way of life.

@@OffToBattle Who needs capping or even stepping inside the city when artillery can bust down the walls and guns can shoot through the gaps? For some reason, even on very hard difficulty it seems the ai can’t leave their stronghold during a siege battle, so when I attack them when they outnumber me 2 to 1 in balance of power it’s as easy as shooting fish in a barrel to win

@@phailupe2941 Ahh, gotcha. I've won TWW2 sieges similarly with enough arcing weapons back in the day, like Vampire Coast using Queen Bess against Teclis faction archers on a 90 degree wall corner...

I'll try and convey this to others when I get around to the campaign videos I wanted to make to wrap up dealing with the faction in 5.1 - and yeah, underway stance really must help given the neighborhood he starts in.

Skrag doesn't have underway, unless you are playing with the great ogrehaul mod, in which case he does. But using a mod to judge him is probably not the best idea.

@@aidenchilds5478 Ahh got it, I have heard of the mod. And I greatly applaud people putting pressure on CA to deliver. Thanks!

@@aidenchilds5478 oh shit really? didnt know that, my b. thanks for the correction bruv. He's still a fast lil guy tho

That's what, Heaven and Death not just Beasts and Maw?

@@OffToBattle yessir I can finally use the only spell I know how, spirit leech

@@doomfistmain5515 Well I can attest to feeling the dire lack of it in my campaigns. We kicked the deadbeat Slaans out of the Star Chambers, so maybe CA can give us our rightful Ogre lores too!

Thanks, because my whole inspiration for making them was having wished I had this kind of help for certain units when I was learning new factions. Glad it helps others.

Ironguts are better at certain things, but lack of a true "great weapons" version in-game is holding them back. IF CA fixes that then that'd be golden. They're plenty good, though.

Yeah. I just had real-life interruptions, I have a Skrag script done already, I'll finish out the heroes and the "artillery".

He's not bad, he's just not a chariot so he has no collision damage. Put him against a unit of Black Orcs and they'll hurt him some but he'll hurt them right back. When I tried going up against Zhao Ming early just before 5.1 hit, Greasus smacked Zhao (in dragon form) quite impressively. His army was bigger than I counted on so it was a slog, but still. Mostly people just compare negatively to Grimgor... but Greasus is anti-large all the time, not just some of it with his legendary item.

Yeah, keeping ogres from drowning in seas of infantry is one of the bigger techs for playing them. Exactly why Stonehorns are so useful to whittle down the masses a bit.

Differentiation is the #1 thing in my book, even more than "power". So I broadly agree and I hope CA does lots of good things for us.

AH, you have a good point. I had some real-life work I concluded... two hours ago as I write this, and my brain hadn't caught up. So I toyed with a Skarbrand campaign until it crashed (new patch syndrome). I hadn't clicked what I should do next. Thanks for the comment, I can absolutely do lords/ heroes even if TWW Stats isn't updated yet. The Planner site for skill trees absolutely is updated (props to those guys). I'll dive into the stats. I will be sliiightly altering Luthor Harkon and Settra scripts because I've meant to do them for a while, and their mounts got changes.

True. But it's pretty crazy Archeon can use him, like he isn't strong enough already... have fun!

Short victory reward it seems...

Indeed it does. I did a video on that a couple of years ago now, ancient history, heh. I caught Legend on a stream saying he thinks this change to the tree spirits will get reined in because it's too powerful.

Yeah, that silence bubble is really strong...

I noticed the forest spirt change in the patch notes and wondered if the trees shall inherit the Old World.

@@OffToBattle Durthu is as mad as ever, but even more deadly.

And yet people report the hound's over-performing. I don't feel bad pointing out he's "especially" good at that and that should be your target priority, but since the legendary item is a Talisman, you're free to slap on stupid strong "generic" Weapons and watch the carnage.

@@OffToBattle Nah, I know what you mean, but you were right when you said the culling the weak thing, which is khorne's whole flavor, which is why I don't like him, lol. He's billed as the blood for the blood god warrior gigachad, but in reality it's mostly stomping the shit out of peasants, lol. Khorne's timid and pussy.

Yes, that's absolutely a problem.

In my current campaign, Siggy was finishing off the Crimson Skull faction but I had a cult opening for the 'teleport Skarbrand to target' building, and used it, his field army crumbled and his Dark Fortress is ready to get kicked over. Still lots of ground to cover and Slaanesh-aligned factions to fight.

He likes to play fetch.

Yeah, an interesting subject, so I'm glad my older videos are still useful going forward.

Khorne factions do have power behind them...

We shall see!

Hes better than ever in 5.1

Well it's good marketing strategy to tie this in to the next DLC certainly.

I was like "Stop knocking him down you aren't doing damage..." but it makes for quite a show huh?

@@OffToBattle More like playing with your food

Ah shit really? I remeber when gotrek was broken like that it ruined my first empire campaign

Too bad to hear and hope that gets fixed! I got him into Skarbrand's forces in a campaign yesterday/ today.

That's very interesting...!

Yep. We Tamur-can't get 50 hero capacity through him anymore. I mean, I know it was a huge pain to fight him, I was researching Greasus/ Ogres for goodness sakes, but yeah, still, it was overpowered.

No idea. Happy to have you, and I guess I'm inching ahead as a RUclipsr but can't really answer that one!

@@OffToBattle Good Luck on your YT journey.

I understand there's a Thundertusk which is considered a better "support unit" and not as much of a 1-man (hero mounted) wrecking crew, and there's also some vulture thingies that could be boosted along with Sabretusks in a soft Hunter rework. I encourage CA to be creative as much as they're allowed to.

Yeah, I very much wonder what they'll do with it once they have more complete material to work with.

Those were the days.

Yeah it's a lot. I respect them, fighting them can be very rough stuff.

Mmmm, while I seriously believe he's not as bad as people broadly think, he's also not living up to his lore, so I'm not opposed to a rework for him.

'Cause he's in their neighborhood. And my playing has reinforced that his roster is just plain better at fighting Cathay or other human factions.. or at least stuff with lots of smaller units like Skaven. Even Vampires a lot of the time. But I don't think everyone is as crazy aggressive with forward operating camps to negate corruption attrition as I am either.

Yeah, it was just a target of opportunity on a day when I couldn't finish the Greasus video... and now there's 5.1 about to drop. Lots of stuff after that huh.

We'll see, they've made some major changes to a whole bunch of other LL's mounts for Patch 5.1 here.

@@OffToBattle Ogres are getting a rework shortly too.

@@semi-useful5178 Not sure how soon that dlc is, though.

@@OffToBattle Probably somewhere in the autumn or winter.