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@@CarrascoFarms where are you based?

@@maximmagay6666 try shadesofcoffee

Are you letting the machine warm for 15 mins and are you using a professional measurement setup

@TheHomeBaristas yes minimum 15 minutes. No professional measurement tools. I know you can't just measure the outcome of the shower. It's not the boiler temperature. But I've read that there is a marge of max 8 C. So when the PID shows 101, the measurement out of the shower must be around 93 C. I have a difference more then 20 C, that's not good.

@@randykalkwarf I think the inaccuracy may be down to your measuring equipment. Also have you not created an offset in the setting of minus 8?

@@FBIMitch couldn’t agree more

@@rosariodifalco1116 sadly, there are too many little issues that could go wrong with the gagguino so unless you build yourself, these would be almost impossible to problem solve in the future.

@@TheHomeBaristas which kind of issues? surprised to hear this it is not mentioned in any Video arround the net, but thanks for your feedback

@@frankverweij1 df83v

Thanks for the fast reaction. Merry christmas

@@76sagman I’d recommend the df64.

@@Krrish85 by the time you’ve ground the next beans and prepped it will be ready for the next shot.

Evo has the aluminium boiler . The E24 is brass

Glad I could help! I also supply a guide on using to get the best from the classic

​@TheHomeBaristas thank you! Looking forward to your guide and getting the best espresso 😊

Although I don’t know 100% I’ve seen plenty of other people say there is no coating on the brass

There's no coating inside the brass boiler. (or the aluminium one now too)

Nope, doesn't need it. Brass is much more durable than aluminum (it's not prone to scale or pitting the way Al is).

try the PID inputs of P: 2.4 I: 40 D: 10, should not drop more than 2 degrees over 40 second shot and will go back up to the set point during it. i usually have my set point at 96 so taht the average temp during the entire shot is about 94.5

yes, it should fit. I have one and am looking to do the same for the espresso boiler and the keep the old one as a spare for the steam boiler

Has E24 on the box next to model number etc. if it doesn’t have it then it won’t be the E24. Also surely when buying the seller will state if it is.

@@ryananderson1518 not yet available in the uk. Likely to be the new year

@@glleon80517 the pids I use set to 0.1 and looking forward to testing the brass with it.

You can hold your set point by 0.5 C during a full shot with a an Aluminum boiler? What yours P I D inputs???

@@TheHomeBaristas o.1 degree during a shot? I find that very hard to to believe, the PID controllers you sell are no different to mine. Whats your PID inputs?

Of course Gaggiuino would work here too. I guesstimate that the increased heat capacity of the new boiler (metal + water) would provide the need for some tweaks to the PID parameters. But it should work as-is also. Otherwise absolutely no other changes are needed.

it's not available yet. Likely to be in the new year.

@@TheHomeBaristas Do you have an idea of what the price point will be for a new brass boiler and group head to upgrade a machine? I've been offered a non-working v1 Classic with the boiler and head missing for next to nothing

@@paulstimpson830 Not sure yet, boiler is likely to be somewhere between £100 and £170 is my guess and a new grouphead is around £40 new. (you will need the steel grouphead for the V1, otherwise the brass grouphead will show as the Evo/E24 have a steel plate that covers it.

I’ll be getting hold of a few brass boilers in 2 weeks but they’re £160 if interested

@@FrankWoodPhotography I’ll be getting hold of a few brass boilers in 2 weeks but they’re £160 if interested

@@ianshepherd6476 no

@@CH-yp5by once available. Likely new year though

Sadly the pid doesn’t work well in a Silvia due to the boiler and internal heating element. That’s why the Classic is so popular. This now adds another

@TheHomeBaristas what about the boiler and heating element?

@@fuzzywuzzy599 in the Silvia because the heating element is internal and the thermocouple attaches to the exterior boiler, there is a huge lag in response when it was tested. The Classic has the element on the exterior of the boiler along with the thermocouple, so far less lag.

@@TheHomeBaristas So the element is bonded to the boiler like in modern flat bottom kettles, heating the boiler walls directly, measured by the thermocouple, that heat the water. Rather than the element being immersed in the water heating the water, which heats the boiler walls, measured by the thermocouple. Is that right?

@@fuzzywuzzy599 no necessarily, it is not as simple. it is just cheaper to make thermocouple integrated in the bottom of the kettle. huge lag in response for Silva was also because brass has low thermal conductivity.

@@p2shoe same

@@TheHomeBaristas I thought the all new E24 Gaggia come set to 9bar as standard now ?

@@tomjohnson4681 all of them or just those destined for the US?

@@temra2000 I know the ones in the US are set to 9 bar, so I would think the ones in Europe are also.

@@tomjohnson4681no it’s just the European ones

Not `a common problem, I have a machine from 2006 and have had no problems. It leaks if you turn it turn to hard, pretty much most commerical machine do the same becasue people turn them to hard too many times.

it is not if you have gaggiuino. it is far far better than pid mods. gaggiuino already compensated all brass thermal 'advantages' also, and still far superior to pid + dimmer mod.

​@@deviceundertest yeah really, can you explain how?

@@CH-yp5by because typical PID is too generic and is too slow for such use case, predictive algo in gaggiuino software is specificaly tuned for the thermal responsiveness of the gagia's alu boiler depending on the amount of water is going to provide to the boiler, PID is simply dumb, it has no idea how much water you are going to pour to the boiler, it needs to wait for the temperature to drop, then it tries to react to the changes, and slowly tune. It is ok for your home radiator, but not for such tiny system like gaggia's boiler. gaggiuino software controls water pump, valve, pressure and heater, it can start heating before PID would even nottice temperature change in the temperature sensor.

@@deviceundertest Are you aware that PID is actually just an algorithm, P Proportional, I Integral and D Derivative which can be controlled / tuned with you own inputs by a generic controller and more commonly now by software on numerous applications such as drones and manufacturing plant assembly lines using robotics? Even the software developers at Zero Bit have coded a PID algorithm in every version of Gaggiuino, Arduino, STM32 Black Pill and the Next Monday V.4. They have just coded it so that when you do the set up it learns how much the boiler cools down when you run water through a shot its nothing that special or new. This can actually be done the same way with a generic PID controller but running a 30 second shot during auto tune.

@@CH-yp5by that is great you did some study on this, but I think you actually confirmed that the implementation is still better than not tuned typical PID. I would learn more if you initiate discussion on this on technical channel, and let them teach us how gaggiuino is better than typical PID, because they claim it is better. I also wonder if they are out of the box ready to different boilder type - brass one.

@@tokomac7728 you can add the cronocube that automatically times when you press the brew button. It’s an option to add on my website at the bottom of the coffee machine page

@@tokomac7728 thank you. Happy to help

usually this is down to the thermocouple (the wire that goes into your boiler to measure temp), check the connections at the back of the PID as this could be the issue. It could also be the PID is faulty

Thabk you so much. It worked finally. The issue was i used a KType Thermo and I had to set this kind in the PID. But just another Question 😊 What Offset donyou use in ald old Gaggia Classic fron 98? Thank you already. Best wishes☀️

Your pump could be on its way out

@@TheHomeBaristas What do you exactly mean? That it is not installed correctly? What could I do?

@@ibrjamelto be honest without seeing a video of it in action it’s difficult to understand what your issue is

@@larrylitmanen9877 the new 2024 classics don’t have the coated boiler. The ninja lux is made mostly of plastic. (Similar to sage machines) If they last more than a couple of years before breaking you’ve done well. Classics last 20 plus years and can be modified to be phenomenal machines (they’re already great as stock) but get even better.

@@TheHomeBaristas Why would i want something for 20 years when we live in the world where new tech changes everything every few years? Right now I am the only guy at home who drinks espresso, so for me waiting 20 minutes to heat up and pulling a shot with Gaggia would be OK. But I have kids who in 4-5 years will start probably drinking coffee too, so now we have to wait until the machine heats up, we all have different timelines when we drink coffee. Wife drinks only instant, what if she changes her mind. Can you imagine how difficult it would be to use that machines between 4 people. There are all these limitations. In 20 years your life will undergo so many changes so to pay for long life hardly makes sense. Plus, nearly every new machine now, including new Gaggias come with these rapid heating elements that allow you to pull a shot in under a minute. I can bet you anything that in the next 2-3 years this very same Gaggia Classic Pro will come with a rapid boiler.

The classic with a good grinder will Make far superior coffee than the ninja. The ninja has some good features but is aimed at the unskilled coffee maker and has many limitations. For those that want great coffee the classic wins hands down This review of the ninja says it all. Some good features, but lots to work on ruclips.net/video/qkfXNE3mkXA/видео.htmlsi=La9VgjgOQLYcANaz

@@TheHomeBaristas I saw his review. Why don't you get the Ninja and do a head to head?

@@larrylitmanen9877 I wouldn’t want to waste my money 🤣