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I started maining Zato like, 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago or something, with a background of almost throwing the game out, cuz i liked slayer from accent core. now i actually get fun out of the game, and never let anyone play the game, as Zato never played without nerfes, already beating my friends with nerfes hoping that Season 4 will change things, and yet if it doesn't we'll still get on top, as Zato-bros should!

They actually reverted the Jack-O shield duration. Iirc they buffed it from 28 to 34 acrive frames and nerfed it again in season 3 back to 28

Who cares? This game sucks. It's not even a real Guilty Gear fighting game. Just some trash, generic anime fighter that pretends to be something it isn't.

i wish they reverted the nerfs from the S3 patch don't think he's getting any better sadly, clearly the worst character in the game atm, either way its good to see the idea an expert has on how to fix the character tho, great content. Hoping to see a patch review if possible whenever the notes drop.

Btw, vanilla ac's version of exhaustion was to refill Eddie gage while little Eddie was in penalty state, changing it to how it worked in plus are was done as a buff to his offense going between ac to ac+r.

You calling the pierce buff a little cringe if it was given earlier is killing me lmaao. It means a lot to me as another Zato player when you say that you really care about how fun Zato is to play against. I remember back in S1-S2 I'd put my discord / info in my R-Code for folks to reach out after sets online and 9 times out of 10 I would be more than happy to exchange counterplay onto how to beat some of Zato's stuff. That sort of thing is really integral to building a good community when we can lift each other up and teach people the answers to things if they're willing to learn. Because of this I thought my opinions on Zato were pretty well grounded. If you complain about him, I'd be happy to show you counterplay and if you're not about it then that's not a problem on the character if there's clear counterplay that's there, you just won't lab it. The discourse really sucks about this character because I know it's gonna be insufferable when and if he even does get buffed, it's going to go back to complaining about a character people refuse to learn how to play against. Anyways outside of that point, it really feels so shitty to see all the cast of this game do their bullshit and get buffed, compensatory buffed, nerfed + buffed, sneak buffed, system mechanic changed, to not only keep up their bullshit but make it even better, only for the devs to just selectively choose that Zato for some reason doesn't deserve to have his own stake in the game. I'm over here getting two shot by slayer, forced 50/50s off a far slash wild assault off elphelt into wall break, Nago SITLL broken, Sol HVVK disintegrating me after guessing wrong off fast red RC cancel bandit into double overhead low. Zato can't even have a decent normal or somewhat USABLE conversion without Eddie. I Dunno truth be told; I don't have any faith or hope for October anymore. Zato's never been a popular character despite how dedicated his fans are, sucks to see my favorite players like Latif Gobou You and Pep drop him when they used to give me so much inspiration watching them play. We've had 3 going into 4 seasons of Leo, Nago, Sol, may being absolute top tier. Anji getting buffed every patch to where bro is converting off CH jab into wall to wall carry j.D wallsplat bombos. Axl getting buffs for combos and neutral and bombos like bro is playing +R over here. I really wish someone would just be honest on the dev team and say "yea we don't like zato sorry buddy" I'd at least be able to close that book much easier versus having false hope for every patch. Anyway, I'm ranting and rambling at this point. Great video Tenne. Wish I could just show this video to the dev team. Wonder what they'd even say. Maybe I'll try to e-mail arcsys jp with this video. We'll see how things play out on the 31st. #FREEEDDIE

pretty sure they said they want characters to have entirely new moves, but shadow gallery would make zato’s combos so much more fun and diverse (and hopefully we’d still be able to crossup with it)

0:16 forgetting about sin?

Zato should stay the way he is rn. F zato

How did Tene, the person with probably the most Faust MU experience in the world, ACTUALLY NOT KNOW ITEM EAT IS NOT SAFE I'm scared of the idea that maybe even Vineeth somehow doesn't know now ... (To explain, eat is so shit because cancelling into makes all your moves more minus, excluding 6H by anywhere between 1-4 frames. And somehow fucking nobody knows this)

All around great video. Unfortunately you have complimented Faust's item eat, and now we have been alerted to your blasphemy.

He Supers can actually function for one. I just found out recently drift RC completely avoids Amorphous. Like you can drift RC towards Zato after the cutscene and dodge it. So if Zato's opponent has meter he literally can't hit them with it unless it's in a combo already

Congrats Strive players, Zato is bottom tier. Its a real guilty gear game now Also the blockstrings in +r arent infinite, you can easily backdash out or reversal. Instant block makes him a joke at times

how did you get that frame advantage display thingy?

Can u do some kind of zato 1 guide to use eddie correctly? I feel like it just don't work. Such a good video btw

Instead of Zato regaining eddie gauge via a new move, Summon should just build gauge if Eddie isn't available. In addition, his command grab should fully refill the gauge.

Nah anji was worst for longer

i havent seen a lot of people mention it, but their steam post for dizzy's trailer mentioned multiple new moves will come out on the 31st. i checked the japanese post to see if this was a mistranslation and despite japanese not making a distinction between singular/plural words, they specifically mention that more than one character will get a new move. so there's a chance that zato could get a new move on the 31st, I really hope he does lol

No one like zato wine jonathan i live of cry babys.

I'd love for the follow up video!

Fraud in chief tries to retcon months of dumb extreme downplay by starting a video listing Zato's pros and acting as if he thinks he is not that bad but still give him stupid unnecessary buffs.

let zato summon millia

zato does kinda suck, but the fact that he can still win against other characters is pretty nice, like its not like you pick zato and immediately lose which is cool. Also, everyone here is gonna hate me for this, but chaos is my second favorite character behind Faust.

I think everything makes sense in this video, exhaustion would ngl make Zato broken but who is not broken in Strive right now(except my Xrd main Bedman) but 5K is aking for too much. 5k hitting low while standing is already very confusing and scary making it any better would make his 6K and 6H probably broken. I already dont see anything when I respect Zato pressure, so blocking 5k if it was made even close to Ky is unimaginably horrible.

Wait for Rev 3

I wonder if 2 weeks is enough time for this video to give ASW some ideas. I have to imagine at this point all the changes are locked in and they're just bug fixing, right?

We need to fix Baiken too chat

Every time I see a clip of people play Zato I’m just like ”man this character is miserable”. Not even knowing any of this information he still just is so obviously miserable

It might be cool if F.s got a followup hit when you let go of s. If you let go too early it doesn't come out but do it just a little late then the dragon(?) shadow rushes forward to attack while hitting slightly lower (still vulnerable to 6ps while also going slightly further) than before to cause some stuff like more knockback, punish people trying to punish you for f.s normally and maybe even vacuum people on air hit? That sounds neat because using f.s in combos or setups is normally just a pretty horrible idea, but maybe if Eddie is behind the opponent while juggling them, you hit an opponent trying to backdash it'd be easier trying to switch sides with them. This is just my idea i don't expect this to be an amazing change in reality but I'd still like to hear the thoughts of someone who plays Zato Also: dumb but really funny idea, what if Zato got an install super that costs 50%, lasts as long as he wants and switched Zato and Eddie with eachother? Like Zato gets Eddie's specials (all the eddie type moves while losing key normals for mix) and Eddie gets Zato's specials and important mixup/ setplay tools like a good 2k and a 2d? The eddie gauge doesn't get spent doing Pierce or Leap or stuff like that, but it does get lowered by doing invite hell or making Eddie clap for example. The install ends when you take a certain amount of damage, you get counterhit, or you input it again in which case you'll instantly get back to normal. I wonder how this would work and what this might do in terms of gamebreaking stuff. If it's too powerful you could just make it cost 100%, but if it wouldn't be all that insane, i mean, it would really fun!

The thing is nobody wants zato to be fixed but zato players (tiny) and daisuke (his dad)

7:53 i was always under the impression that BWA was given to Zato to help him start pressure and avoid summon RPS, rather than help Zato when Eddie's down 🤔 Also yeah follow-up video would be dope. Always love listening to you ramble :)

How do you even fix Zato? Simple, you don't. In fact, in the next patch give him some genuinely nice QOL buffs, but sneak in a nerf that totally ruins him and don't put it in the patch notes. Once it's discovered, the hype would immediately dissipate. Many would begin to wonder if it was a bug or an intentional change. THEN, 6 months on, after radio silence from the devs and no changes to Zato at all, the Devs finally comment on Zato in a developers backyard. In which, they state that it WAS an intended change and that they do not wish to revert it at this time. INSTANTLY, the hopes and dreams of the few remaining Zato players would dissipate. Those still left now, only playing out of a love for what once was. Some would play on older versions of the game where Zato hadn't been dumpstered, but they would only have other Zato players, and friends of these players who take pity on them, to play with. Nature would be healing and the people of Strive would be happy =]]]

I feel like there is a better way to do it. Could make it like a shadow puddle that does regen Eddie meter when standing on it, an be a target to Break The Law onto, but also slowly poisons the opponent similar to an Aki . It gives up the safejump on 2K2D, it can be used in wallslump situations that will punish players for not immediately bursting Zato from the corner and being predictable, and gives a good reason to throw with Damned Fang with the puddle down. Also could give a little more to mental stack if he is bursted away with the puddle still on the opponent so they cant just jam their fullscreen on burst option without the threat of Zato back in tour face with the puddle there.

Nerf Zato

tfw he actually needs it tho

It's a bummer he's so rare to see these days. Godspeed.

When I was talking about system changes hurting Nago everyone was trolling Like WWA wouldnt get nerfed. The complain is that half of the new system mechanics takes the strength of niche characters and gives it to everyone while obviously ignoring the downsides.

I will say in the case of anji 2p, the best thing he can get is a run up meaty 2s in most cases, which is -6. if zato 2p had conversions he would very likely get to start his very strong offense.

I loveed playing zato1 in the first guilty gear on switch

i think it'd be cool if zato's meter refilled on burst like how ABA refunds half her spent meter when she manually ends her mode

I really like zato, but I agree that it wouldn't be fun if he was like every other character but with an eddie. I've thought about the new move a lot and I agree that an eddie charge/revive type move would probably be the best (and most likely) thing that they could add, since it doesn't make zato function better on his own, but I also think he doesn't need a new move to use for pressure with eddie. Also a buff or some sort of change to 6k would be nice, since it really doesn't feel like it has many uses.

You are all mistaken. It is necessary to fix not Z1, but the entire GGST. This gorilla and p2 w game was broken, unbalanced and unfair from the very beginning, but Z1 players only found out about this in season 3. . .

Considering how zato ended up in the last game I’m really worried they aren’t gonna help him enough

From the outside the command grab as a resource regen move (if it actually gave you the reward for the risk) is more intresting than having a power up stance. Regardless I doubt they would want a character to have to both.

Not watching 44 minutes of this bullshit. He's perfect as is. - signed, Random RUclips Comment

Need to convince arcsys that since they never put btl losing to full screen burst on the the list of changes it's not reverting a nerf if they change it so that it does.

IMO Zato is a character best designed for skillful expression and not competitive success. His design is simply too volatile to exist in a healthy metagame without a major overhaul to his identity, which defeats the point of his character and Guilty Gear's design ethos. Guilty Gear has more trouble with character balancing than most fighting games due to its commitment to making each character unique. Some characters will just be conceptually stronger than others. This means when you have a character like Zato, who has strong mixups, long block strings and neutral-game, they tend to take over the game when they're good, because when they are good they are practically the best at everything, and when they're average nobody plays them because they are too hard for their payoff (in a competitive setting)

I honestly love Zato, he's one of my top 2 choices to learn in strive so far, along with HC (until Venom comes out), I'll save this video to watch tomorrow during work

Zato will never be fun to fight because zato players ruin good moods by throwing a tantrum anytime they get touched or something doesn't go their way