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Raptor: Oh? What makes the Kelvin best for you?

@@OneTrekMind I used to play legacy with my dad early onto finding Star Trek, and I always used the Saladin class in skirmishes, as well as the one ship which is practically the kelvin 1:1 (just the top nacelle is the same length as the bottom) and it was so awesome, so that first 1 min of the 2009 Star Trek alone with those sweeping shots of the kelvin, is beyond every other ship for me, I worked for a loooooong time to get it in STO as well, and oh boy was it worth it, the phasers, the mini rapid fire blue photons, they’re awesome

Raptor: Interesting. I too played a lot of legacy and i liked the Akula most from that. As far as STO goes i prefer ships with lots of refit options (we will be doing videos on some those in future actually ^^)

Raptor: Oh yeah the Freedom is just as bad. I find a lot of single nacelle ships badly proportioned tbh.

Raptor: Not ugly per say just...oddly proportioned ^^

Raptor: Haha yeah its really not nice

Raptor: I defon think that Discoverys 22nd century designs were also very poor. Those big square nacelles just really dont feel very TOS to me. Seeing the Constitution class next to them really makes the designs werider

@@OneTrekMind Glad you agree, Discover was a poorly made show.

Raptor: lol a very trek idea. love it

Raptor: Any others youd have in your dishonourable mentions?

Raptor: Yeah i agree that a lot of Discovery's designs were very bad, especially the 32nd century ships (Honest to god those detached nacelles were so dumb)

@@OneTrekMind Right?

Michael: I did like the Titan refit (even if calling it a refit is quite a stretch) as well as the Cerritos, but can agree Discovery had some very questionable design choices on a lot if not all of their ships

@@OneTrekMind Oooo, respectfully, I was completely put off by the Cerritos, and only had one bit problem with the Titan. I needed a fully rounded saucer section. Otherwise I was pretty cool with it. Perhaps petty, but just can't get around it.

Raptor: ohhh thats a brave opinion heh. What would you say is the best looking ship in trek then?

@@OneTrekMind Probably the andorian cruiser…

@@JungLeeTheDoctor ohhh the Kumari is a nice design

@@OneTrekMind 😇

Raptor: Where does that come from? I havent been able to find anything that states that

Raptor: Oh really? I know Michael really likes it, personally I'm not a fan of the deflector pod being between the nacelles like that.

Michael: My sweet California class does not deserve this slander lol

Raptor: I'm aware that the name comes from expanded canon. I just dont like constantly calling it a maquis raider as it infers they built it.

Raptor: Im really surprised about how many folks agree with me about it lol

@@OneTrekMind It's like the story of the emperor's new clothes. Everybody keeps praising them, just because it is what everybody else seems to do, It takes a while before someone dares to point out the truth: The emperor is naked.

Raptor: Its shown briefly onscreen in an episode of DS9 as part of a fleet of damaged ships retreating from the Dominion. Its only seen for a short time but it is there heh. Ive always liked the Curry Class but i know Michael didnt.

I personally love the Curry class. It feels like a useful fleet mate to the Excelsior class.

Raptor: Agreed i love the curry class.

Raptor: Yeah i was very surprised at the fact we totally disagreed there myself. I feel Voyager missed a big opportunity to contonue with the Maquis-starfleet crew friction a lot more than they did. I feel that in a post Battlestar Galactica media world that if Voyager was made these days there would be a lot greater focus on character conflict.

@@OneTrekMind I agree totally. I’ll leave and tell you this. I watched the very first episode and I very clearly remember at the very end how late it was just very bizarre all of a sudden they were just like all on the same ship and I was 13 at the time, and even then, I thought it was funky.

Michael: I am very curious as to what we'll think of Prodigy when we watch it

Raptor: To me i feel like they wanted her to be this Han Solo character in the first season, which really didnt suite, and then in the Second season two they made here the voice of the political messaging. Season 3 they tried to do with her what they always should have and even then mucked it up.

@@OneTrekMind that is exactly my interpretation of what happened to her character and that’s why I blame Alex Kurtzman. He butchered all of the characters in those first two seasons but sevens character had the worst of it

Raptor: I have a soft spot for the Niagra, as much as i know it breaks the basic rules for warp drive. The lantree i wouldnt say is ugly just a bit basic

Raptor: Honestly surprised at folks agreeing with me heh

Raptor: Interesting idea. Would be a really spindly boy

Raptor: Indeed plus why would you build an intrepid command hill alone? Its not like it has saucer seperation so...

@@OneTrekMind I get your reason, but I think it kind of makes sense because think about it the secondary hall is where all the warp systems are in the primary hall is more just internal volume so I would think that it’s a lot easier to build that part than the engines so when they had to set up to build that part they do I do think the fact that there were so many of them is kind of ridiculous, but there was like one or two I could kinda understand, but the fact that the condor is such such a different scale makes a whole thing even more ridiculous if it was the same size, I would buy it but the fact that they just came up a ship I mean if they could do that, why haven’t they done with anything else?

@@Peaceforall20111 I mean i generally have a fondness for ugly ships. One of my favourites is the Chariot Class which ive always seen as a sort of mobile starbase like vessel. Im also soft hearted for the Oberth and the Niagra Class...but the Yeager...just gross on so many levels.

@@OneTrekMind I love the chariot. I love triangulum story. I would love to see what that ship looked like in the inside. I am waiting for vr tech to become so versitile we can build these environments easily.

Michael: Yeah when he said it was partially grown it solidified my feelings on it tenfold

Raptor: Yeah i dont think its 'ugly' ugly...but the proportions do feel a bit weird to me

We dont go into it expecting that. Its just what ends up happening at the end of the day.

Michael: Nothing we can do about agreeing on something except lie and pretend to have the opposite opinion.

Raptor: The orville does have some good crew thats for sure

Raptor: oh thats another really great episode

Michael: One of my absolute favorites

Raptor: So Michael has drawn all our characters in various uniforms. For these random talk videos i tend to pick at random or use the uniforms that we consider our favourites. For this video we based the choice on the ships we were picking. And thank you for your kind comments ^^ I too love voyagers warp core. Its just the best looking to me. I could watch it for hours

@@OneTrekMind I had a feeling. I knew I had seen 32nd century uniforms before so when I see link to the ships it activates my brain. FYI, usually it is hard for me to watch dual talking channels, two people, my adhd makes it difficult, but you 2 handle the switching perfect and I appreciate it. Your style is awesome too, oeolle who show themselves talking is so distracting for me to the point I can’t watch. Your style doesn’t create any adhd interference which is na key thing for me to enjoy anything Thank you so much

@@Peaceforall20111 Raptor: Its something i learned on my other gaming channel, was to find a visual way to indicate who is talking because i know with my british accent it cane get lost at times. And i like being a gorn so having cameras on would spoil the fun heh

@@OneTrekMind well if it matters I have never had an issue with the brownish accent in the videos. I am but one person but I am easily distracted. I also have a very nerdy job and work with a lot of foreigners with HEAVY accents and after moving to full remote it took a while but I am pretty good at any accent now. So that may also add to my ability to understand the videos easily.

Raptor: Scotty did do a good job when in command. Wish we had seen more of him in that role

Raptor: So i appreciate your response. As for not growing up with TOS, i did. My stepfather was a huge trekkie, and I even used TOS in my univeristy dissertation, which required me to watch it all. I understand that TOS has a group of hardcore fans (we saw this when we did our captains video) but from my perspective it just doesn't hold up, and a lot of its characters don't either. Spock is good, make no mistake I think as a first officer he is very good, very competant...but the fact he was in TOS does not mean he is above criticism.

@@OneTrekMind Well to me, I think he's really the most fleshed out character in ST, but a lot of that is because he's been around so long, bit even so, I just loved the relationship that he had with his fellow officers, they knew his race didn't show emotion as a rule, but yet his friends knew that slight raising of an eyebrow conveyed more emotion than other people's dramatic displays (prime example, Spock's reaction to mirror Kirk and his bunch as he has them thrown in the brig). I mainly think Spock doesn't get enough love anymore as people just are too caught up anymore in special effects, action and cgi that most can't appreciate TOS as much and forgive me for assuming that was the case here, but in my eyes, to put him at any spot lower than #2 or #3 on a list is just a disservice to the characters accomplishments, as really, can anyone short of Data come even close to competing with him on an even basis in ability? I mean seriously? He just basically outclasses everyone in pure skill or ability, and it's shown that he's worked exceedingly hard to reach that point, he just didn't ride on the coat tails of being born with superior ability, he put the work in to go along with it, and has served in star fleet far longer than some of the others have even been alive. Yes he's a Mary Sue character, that's part of his legacy from being from a much different age of television, but you can't fault the character for that, but in the ST universe, if the fate of the whole universe is riding on the capability of the first officer, who else would you choose other than Spock 99.9% of the time? In fact he's so capable that I would choose him over having numbers 2-4 on the scene instead if my life was on the line, he's just that much more OP than the rest. The title of the video was based on who the BEST was, and by almost every measure, Spock can meet or exceed the capabilities of every single person on this list by deeds alone. So that leads me to the obvious answer to the question: Spock hands down, and while I can see some arguments for T'Pol, Riker and Kira, none of the others have that complete package bolted down nearly as well as Spock does, and really, how many times does he have to save the universe to get the respect he deserves, hell he's lapped the others in that department by 3-4 times too! And to top it off, who else can communicate with George and Gracie! Case Closed lol.

Raptor: Thank you for the sub really appreciate it. And i love Duet as an episode. One of my favourites of early DS9. We had to avoid talking too indepth about episodes or the video would of ended up much longer than it already was ^^. I find your comment about riker interesting. It reminds me about the discussion that Archer has with Reed in 'Minefield', about the crew being crew and not friends. I think a good first officer needs to have some sort of relationship with the crew of a more personal type, especially considering most captains wont have that.

Raptor: It was a very tough call, the top 3 or 4. In the end I think it was the way Kira was so wonderfully written that edged her out to the top place.

Raptor: I just can't accept the way Picard ruined seven of nines character. Season 3 is appaling.

@@OneTrekMind its called character development. You failed to actually prove or explain how the character was ruined. When its obvious to even a blind person that what we saw was 7 keeping the peace rather then doing what would of led to a mutiny aboard the ship. Its called leading by example

@@tazman2253 Raptor: As stated in the video, the seven of nine we know would never let herself be pushed around like that. That is my opinion based on all of VOY and all of PIC. The purpose of this video was not to give an depth explanation as to how her character was ruined for the PIC show. In short i consider PIC as a show to be very poor with a lot of its story telling and its character development. The attempts to turn 7 of 9 into some wannabe han solo type for the first two seasons did not work, and the justification for that change in her made even less sense in all sorts of ways. Season 3 then turned her into a character lacking the spine to call her captain out on his abhorrent behaviour, something she would never have an issue telling Janeway or anyone else regardles of 'keeping the peace'. You are entitled to your opinion and thats fine. I dont agree personally, but thats why these videos exist to stimulate discussion ^^

Raptor: I understand that hence my asterisk that im uncertain how he can really be judged when its a comedy show.

Raptor: Yeah we keep trying to make the videos shorter and they end up longer heh

@@OneTrekMind hey it’s what trekkies do; we geek out 😜😜

Raptor: yeah i agree that sometimes the way the crew acted was not entirely professional at all, which was slightly jarring considering. Even on Voyager, where professionalism bend slightly due to their situation, there was always a line it did not cross.

Raptor: It did seem very rushed towards the end

Raptor: It certainly ranks as the worst trek for me

Raptor: Me and michael both adore The Orville and i fully agree that The Orville feels like it understood more what a star trek show is than Discovery ever did.

Michael: I truly hope The Orville gets another season. Really love that show and it's gotten better and better since it aired

Raptor: I never knew it had a name. Thank you for letting me know ^^

Raptor: I agree that the show certainly felt like there were no stakes in any of the their galaxy ending issues.

Michael: I felt it was the opposite problem of Game of Thrones. That show had a strong start and terrible finish whereas Discovery for me was a terrible start and a decent finish.

@@OneTrekMind what makes you appreciate seasons 3-5 more? For me it was the most boring and predictable stuff I have ever seen, there were literally no surprises or bad consequences along the way. It tried to mimic a Star Trek story in theme alone, the execution was very poor in my opinion. The stakes were always fake and the 32nd setting was hardly explored.

Raptor: I agree that Enterprise is better, atleast in terms of character and some storylines for sure. The Xindi arc especially.

Micahel: I don't really agree when people say there was no love for Star Trek. I think it's clear the creators and teams were very much Trek fans, but did a poor job putting their own spin on it for their own show.