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@@grazing365 since you keep your bulls separated. Do you graze them the same way somewhere else? Like double the work if you have bulls?

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

#aluminumchickentractor does this in small numbers

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September 6-7 Speaking on Multi-species grazing

There are several. I recommend checking out Jim Elizondo’s channel and see if he mentions some names

Johann Zietsmann’s book “Man, Cattle, Veld” is the best book ever written on cattle by probably the greatest cattleman ever. It’s pretty heavy reading. It’s available on Audible. I also recommend RWranching.com, it’s Jim Elizondo’s site/channel

This style is already working in central Texas. Check out Jim Elizondo’s Real Wealth Ranching channel and website

@@grazing365 Thanks. I've been trying to figure him out, but he's hard to get this specific info on, at least has been for me so far. Maybe I'm just not finding the best videos.

@@JoeJohnson1 he keeps a little close to his chest. He offers courses and consulting

@@JoeJohnson1 Jim comes from Holistic Management which was born in the brittle environments of Africa. If you look at their website they provide a lot of free resources which might be a good place to start. 🙏

@@misacarter5128 Thank you. I'll keep looking over things. I'm very familiar with intensive rotational grazing and regen ag. But I've not seen this nuance. First glance, it comes across as a bad idea in a brittle environment. But so does intensive grazing to many others, so I want to make sure I'm informed and grasp how this might be beneficial.

We all do!!

1. Certainly not nonsense 2. We aren’t trying to promote Bermuda growth. It’s one of my least favorite perennial forages, it just happens to be what we have year one on a very degraded property 3. I suggest using a different example of a well managed pasture than one that is severely understocked and 50% fescue after decades of management. By this time all of the pastures managed by the individual mentioned should be primarily NWSG. Here’s a video from the best known voice in the regenerative community when it comes to soil science. Please watch the entire video and I am certain your opinion of “maintaining solar collector” will change. Again, I would have agreed with you at one point in my grazing career, but science is science ruclips.net/video/WHckFprozDc/видео.htmlsi=xRuUOd7Wik_M4zbB

This may work good for you. Every situation is different and maybe this is your option. You keep talking about the “science”. I don’t know what you are referring to because there is no such science. Science is the current understanding of a subject and it is always changing. Instead of looking at different science experiments the best thing to do is always look to nature. Nature is full of selective grazers and selective browsers. Why does a deer only pick at the growing tips of a plant instead of taking it to the ground? Deer will never kill a plant on the first try. They always leave some leaves to capture sunlight and regenerate. Why? Because they have natural instincts to not eat themselves into starvation. What you are doing is also going to cause much more parasites because your animals are stuck eating forage down to the soil. Nature keeps moving. Animals and plants are adapted to each other over a period of millions of years. What you are doing is like telling your child they can’t leave the table u til everything on there plate is eaten. If they don’t eat it, then your going to put that same plate back in front of the kid day after day. Your animals look skinny and so do your pastures. Greg Judy’s animals look fat and happy and his pastures are lush and inspiring. His pastures are full of biodiversity. Different insects and birds and earth worms and the cattle all working in symbiosis. Stop fighting nature man, learn to mimick nature for the health and longevity of your heard and your land.

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

The question is why only run one cow for 2-3 acres? It’s about maximum sustainable profit per acre. Set stocking stocking like your grandfather did usually included supplementing grain, feeding hay in winter, fertilizing pasture, etc. it’s why 80%+ of cow/calf producers don’t make a profit.

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

Could be although it works out of their system in fairly short time

This style works best with highly adapted cattle. By “adapted” we mean cattle like they were before feedlots and sale barns started demanding abominations of nature, lol. Business models that require maximum individual animal performance will struggle unless you allow some selectivity

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

Our best cattle are doing really well. Some of our more marginal cows are slightly behind where I want them this time of year. That’s to be expected this early in our non-selective grazing journey

Thanks for the tips!

100% yes. The more grass that rests and stockpiles, the more long term organic carbon You will develop

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

Thank you!

The good part about “grazing short” is that you do get significantly longer recoveries. Those recoveries also more than make up for loss of root biomass. Remember that what happens in the first couple inches of soil has very little long term impact on soil health. 80% of humus creation gets zero assistance from surface practices or applications like trampling, manure, urine, unrolling hay, etc. on a cow/calf operation where the goal is to maximize sustainable profit per acre, this is “works best for everyone in every environment” not just “works for me”. If the goal is individual animal performance, I could make an argument for some selectivity in grazing.

Move ‘em! I recommend 4 times/day

My pleasure!

I’m pretty sure folks got the gist of what I was saying

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

Thanks! It’s usually only my screw ups that make anyone giggle

Welcome aboard!

@grazing365 Thanks friend. Looking forward to sharing more grazing

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

I guess you would include trampling along with consumption to determine utilization?

@@grazing365 thank you for your response Ben its a very interesting video. I can understand your preference for non selective grazing but I cannot be convinced that it is beneficial to limit photosynthetic activity on a regular basis by almost total defoliation. Yes your cattle have eaten some of what is less palatable because they have been made to but generally the nutritional quality of the forage is diminished the further down the plant you go not to mention the potential for reduced intake on shorter grass as you make the cow take more bites to service its daily requirement. I'm not saying you have not experienced successful results and good luck to you. I would be interested to see the longevity of pasture analysis with consistent reliance on the crown and roots for regrowth without sufficient residual leaf ( either grazed or trampled) and that's without considering the many other advantages for leaving greater biomass out there when cattle exit but we'll be here all day! Thanks for your time

In this style of grazing, you get much more photosynthetic activity throughout recovery, due to triple the recovery period. Also, half my farm is resting the entire growing season. That’s the time when plants really store massive energy AND the majority of our long term organic carbon is formed as well.

@@grazing365 so its growing season technique only?

Not necessarily. Strip grazing stockpile during dormant season as well

I love Greg Judy. He’s the OG of RUclips graziers. Also, every south poll owner should give him a cut of their sales. He almost single-handedly doubled the value on south polls. Good guy.

@@grazing365 Go be an intern.

Greg Judy is awesome. Smart man.

You are not alone! There’s a better way

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

This isn’t a huge shift. It’s been known for ten years that what happens on the surface doesn’t have much to do with the long term performance of our soil. It’s really the year of rest that leapfrogs our soil health forward. Any valid system should aim to maximize the amount and duration of stockpiled acreage and forages

When I was interning down there at Bill Cox's we always cut the grass with a kaiser blade.

@@alanwesterfield4254 I’ve heard that produces maximum growth and microbes are able thrive up to 100 feet

@@alanwesterfield4254 I’ve always heard that produces maximum growth and allows microbes to thrive up to 100 feet down.

Peter, I humbly disagree. We’ve got to move past the “solar collector” argument. There is zero reason to leave residual forage behind in a paddock. Trample, urine, manure, etc contribute very little to the overall health of the soil or forages. 80% + of humus creation comes from the root exudates of MATURE plants making fat microbes. Anything we can do as graziers to slow down our herd and allow as much forage as possible to mature moves our soil forward, which is where we all need to be making progress. We’ve known this for 10 years now. It’s time to stop worrying about the top two inches of soil and focus on the meat of the matter

@@grazing365 Thanks Ben. 1. If there is evidence that leaving 15% is beneficial specifically for the type of forage you want growing in your paddocks I'll change my mind, which is why I'd like to see a follow up video. 2. Maintaining the health, work and impact, of the roots is the main game in the soil recovery period which is why I posted that reply. It is however an intriguing argument. The basis is the example of wild herds leaving a feed zone for a year which probably won't work for farming.

When you mow hay you don't take 30% you take 90% and it comes back quick with very few weeds.

​@grazing365 if there is zero reason to leave residual behind in a paddock why not just leave the cattle in there and let them eat it down to the dirt?

Not advocating killing your grass plants. It’s about a severe graze followed by long, extended recoveries

I hear you! Notice mine didn’t touch it

I was too. I had a lot of misinformation beat into my head by misinformed gurus

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

@@gardenersgraziers7261 yeah, I understand. I watch Greg Judy, he grazes year round with far healthier pastures than people that swear by other methods.

Occasionally. Where are you located?

@@grazing365 outside of OKC, we make trips to Arkansas frequently enough, we just moved from a larger 20 acre ranch, so we will need a new beef supply when we go through our last steer

I would have agreed with you not long ago. The problem is that it’s based off of an understanding of soil health that has been disproven. We now know 80% of the gains or improvement in our soil’s long term organic carbon come from what happens deeper in our soils. Total grazing never leaves bare soil; however, even if it did, drying out the top couple of inches is insignificant. In fact almost everything we do in the surface makes zero long term impact on soil health. Poop, urine, trampling, etc only contribute to the short term organic carbon which lasts a very short time. Long term organic carbon( which can last over 100 years) is formed when forages reach maturity and feed the microbiology in our soil fatty exudates instead of sugary exudates. Additionally, leaving stems (which happens often in all selective grazing styles) is the fastest way to a drought, not bare soil. If stems are left the plant continues to respirate which uses up the moisture in the soil from much deeper than the top couple inches.

@@grazing365we Just did a heap of tests and have some of the healthiest soil they’ve tested - and we do a lot of surface trample - crucially we had 25 worms per spadeful compared to the neighbours field having 4 I respect your seriousness but I’m absolutely convinced you are wrong about the irrelevance of the surface - I think it’s vital and have the soil to prove it (though of course my model does long rests and deep soil effect too) Our soil biology reset our PH from 5.3 to 6.5 in five years - that’s driven by combination of deep effects and surface mulch Even at an intuitive level this dismissal of the surface doesn’t make sense - why would the place with the most light, moisture, disturbance, etc, matter the least. Of course grasses evolved to be periodically taken down hard, but it’s also pretty obvious that soil biology would prefer warm and wet conditions rather than extremes. It isn’t soil carbon you should be obsessed with but soil life, and I’d wager you can’t get soil life like we can with much heavier tramples, as much as 70% down.

Any type of rotational grazing is going to produce superior results to set stocking a farm. I had similar results to yours when we selectively grazed in a rotational system. Trampling, urine, dung, unrolling hay all contribute to short lived organic carbon. Problem is that stuff lasts about a season and is gone. It certainly provides beneficial short term results. Lasting results that last decades and centuries happen deeper in your soil via long term (long lived) organic carbon. Btw, The assumption that non selective grazing exposes soil surfaces is false

It works, just not as well. We should all strive for diverse forage. I assure you that there is a grazing forage hierarchy in every pasture unless it’s a monoculture.

BETTER WAY to Understand This is by saying "it is the amount of time for pasture recovery AFTER RAIN that needs to be considered" with several variables (1) soil type (2) amount of available ground moisture = SO THE amount of TIME after GRAZING includes seasonal factors like Winter or Summer Growth = All Adjusted to encourage Preferred Seed Set of Pasture Species ### So if your pastures are in decline and you do not have FAT Cattle = YOU are OVERSTOCKED

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We will be grazing stockpiled Bermuda all winter. We won’t need to feed any hay and will supplement protein. I’m not a fan of Bermuda grass but it’s the initial base forage we have to work with in this new lease. With our grazing practices, I fully anticipate that NWSG will soon start to emerge and become a major part of our sward in the next 3-5 years

What you are describing here is adaptive grazing from the Allan Williams school. There isn’t any scenario where selectivity makes sense unless you are pursuing peak individual animal performance

I dont know about that guys school,,, we just let nature give us hints, try to read it correctly and act accordingly. Over the years its led us to do a bit of everything.

Nature is always going to guide you to non selective grazing. I’ve tried to ask myself what would have to transpire on or in the soil for me to selectively graze a paddock. The answer? Only individual animal performance. There really isn’t any other reason not to utilize forage at a high rate