Interesting comment on gut fill. As a CAFO dairy, we never wanted a cow to be limit fed during the lactation. If we saw the "death triangle" we were palpating the rumen and/or listening with stethoscopes for rumen movement. Lots of interesting differences between various farming systems. I asked Greg Judy at a 1 day class if he was ever concerned about cows getting too fat on grass (i mentioned that i was from grain fed dairy background). He said it was not a worry. They could get fat on grass without the same issues as grain fattened animals. Neat to hear things and compare and contrast to other operations. Thanks for educating your listeners/watchers!
@bronzefozzz you might check out how Teddy Gentry picked the 4 breeds (Senapol, Hereford, Red Angus, Baezona) he used to get the South Poll breed. The story is on youtube with Teddy telling the tale. You might be able to do something similar with breeds near your place. Might be able to import South Poll semen, if you think they would adapt to your forages.
Could you do a video on the corriente x south poll cross? I’m interested in upping my cow numbers in a more economical way and breed up with Corrientes
I'm really enjoying your content, thankyou. It would be interesting to get your opinion on the effectiveness of non selective grazing management in relation to finishing steers. Obviously cow calves allow targeted animal performance in relation to maintenance and necessary body condition at points in the breeding cycle. Finishing cattle requires maximum gains for economic viability. Cheers
It’s next to impossible in our environment to finish yearlings on perennial pasture. From mid-June to October, most animals (fresh calves excluded) tend to stall or even go backwards on weight. If I were finishing cattle, I would do it on annuals. I’d still keep them moving, but make sure forage was as high octane as possible. Side note: open/dry cows get and stay fat. I’d consider them seriously if I were running a grass finished business
I'm on the east coast of New South Wales Australia. The climate is between temperate and sub tropical with generally high rainfall the closer to the coast. I want to employ UHDG management with cow calves bur also push the envelope and also finish animals. I've no desire to breed animals to become feeders in CAFO operations. I think it is possible in my environment to achieve both cattle production models but UHDG doesn't seem to lend itself to finishing animals compared with cow calf. I'm sure there would be grass finishing ops using these principles effectively.
@@bronzefozzz subtropical environments (I’m in one) tend to lend themselves to lots of grass but low-octane. If I were finishing it would be on annuals OR I’d get really small frame sized animals. I think I could finish a dexter or smaller lowline angus here in perennial pasture. I’d just have to harvest at the end of the Spring and also Fall.
I like that you were willing to change your grazing regime, due to cattle body conditioning reasons,,,, thats the dictating thing every time,,, its no good to make a new religion out of "cattle grazing technique names". Always be fluid, always be aware of the cattles' basic needs first and not some system.
Interesting comment on gut fill. As a CAFO dairy, we never wanted a cow to be limit fed during the lactation. If we saw the "death triangle" we were palpating the rumen and/or listening with stethoscopes for rumen movement. Lots of interesting differences between various farming systems. I asked Greg Judy at a 1 day class if he was ever concerned about cows getting too fat on grass (i mentioned that i was from grain fed dairy background). He said it was not a worry. They could get fat on grass without the same issues as grain fattened animals. Neat to hear things and compare and contrast to other operations. Thanks for educating your listeners/watchers!
Nothing wrong with fat cows!! Allowing them to be selective simply limits stocking rate, which hammers the bottom line
Great job Bob! The Land and the cattle look great! I recognize herbs in the wild but not the grasses. Impressed by your knowledge of grasses.
Thanks!
Great Job! The cows look really good!
Thanks!
Interesting observation controlling the timing of gutfill I will be trying that but not on a legume heavy pasture🤔
Very wise
@bronzefozzz you might check out how Teddy Gentry picked the 4 breeds (Senapol, Hereford, Red Angus, Baezona) he used to get the South Poll breed. The story is on youtube with Teddy telling the tale. You might be able to do something similar with breeds near your place. Might be able to import South Poll semen, if you think they would adapt to your forages.
Most of our herd is South Poll. About 75% of our cows are registered full-blood South Polls.
Most of our herd is South Poll. About 75% of our cows are registered full-blood South Polls.
Could you do a video on the corriente x south poll cross? I’m interested in upping my cow numbers in a more economical way and breed up with Corrientes
About half the calves you see in our videos are SP/Corriente crosses
I'm really enjoying your content, thankyou.
It would be interesting to get your opinion on the effectiveness of non selective grazing management in relation to finishing steers. Obviously cow calves allow targeted animal performance in relation to maintenance and necessary body condition at points in the breeding cycle. Finishing cattle requires maximum gains for economic viability.
Cheers
It’s next to impossible in our environment to finish yearlings on perennial pasture. From mid-June to October, most animals (fresh calves excluded) tend to stall or even go backwards on weight.
If I were finishing cattle, I would do it on annuals. I’d still keep them moving, but make sure forage was as high octane as possible. Side note: open/dry cows get and stay fat. I’d consider them seriously if I were running a grass finished business
I'm on the east coast of New South Wales Australia. The climate is between temperate and sub tropical with generally high rainfall the closer to the coast.
I want to employ UHDG management with cow calves bur also push the envelope and also finish animals.
I've no desire to breed animals to become feeders in CAFO operations.
I think it is possible in my environment to achieve both cattle production models but UHDG doesn't seem to lend itself to finishing animals compared with cow calf.
I'm sure there would be grass finishing ops using these principles effectively.
@@bronzefozzz subtropical environments (I’m in one) tend to lend themselves to lots of grass but low-octane. If I were finishing it would be on annuals OR I’d get really small frame sized animals. I think I could finish a dexter or smaller lowline angus here in perennial pasture. I’d just have to harvest at the end of the Spring and also Fall.
I think I will be aiming to cross Pharo Angus genetics with some African bloodlines like Nguni and Mashona.
Thanks for your thoughts👍
@@bronzefozzzcurious if you have viewed any square meater cattle in the subtropical areas of Australia, such as Golden Pastoral Company?
I like that you were willing to change your grazing regime, due to cattle body conditioning reasons,,,, thats the dictating thing every time,,, its no good to make a new religion out of "cattle grazing technique names". Always be fluid, always be aware of the cattles' basic needs first and not some system.