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Gen-X Hate Revisited (Part 2 of 3)
Seattle fetishism, Bagge boy, abortive animation, suburban flight & progressive shame.
Gen-X Hate Revisited (Part 1): ruclips.net/video/2_Hf9QmolJc/видео.html
Copyright Disclaimer: This video is an educational analysis / critique and therefore falls within the remit of Fair Use under the copyright laws of the United States. All materials are shown for the purpose of discussing historical & cultural context.
End music clip: "Visualize Ballard" by The Action Suits (featuring Petey-Boy Bagge)
Bagge interview citations:
thedailycrosshatch.com/2011/05/02/interview-peter-bagge-pt-2-of-4/
pleasekillme.com/peter-bagge/
Tacoma Bagge photo: milwaukeerecord.com/arts/20-years-later-lions-tooth-co-owner-cris...
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Gen-X Hate Revisited (Part 1 of 3)
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Generational identity, analogue culture, comics alternatives, the rise of Peter Bagge & the birth of Hate. Gen-X Hate Revisited (Part 2): ruclips.net/video/AtpBKo2eh_g/видео.html Copyright Disclaimer: This video is an educational analysis / critique and therefore falls within the remit of Fair Use under the copyright laws of the United States. All materials are shown for the purpose of discussi...
Ren & Stimpy Reboot Leak REACTION - R&S is a Writer Cartoon now
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The r&s curse continues
Cartoon Aesthetics channel trailer
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The general vibe

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  • @Gerdbro
    @Gerdbro 10 часов назад

    Gen X, the “children should be seen and not heard” generation. A generation raised by television and plastic, silenced and oppressed to absolute submission by the tyrannical, selfish boomer. Gen X, the moribund generation, immersed in pop culture trash and slowly rotting while yearning to finally cash in the false dream hollywood sold them. Rest in piss, my generation.

  • @osakanone
    @osakanone 17 часов назад

    As a cusper between X and mil surrounded by mostly X'ers this is really helping me understand the people who were around in my childhood and teens to compartmentalize and process those experiences. Thank-you. Your channel might not have the most subscribers but these days anything over 10K subs is very rarely worth watching. You're the stuff I refresh the front page hoping to see, filtering and sifting through it all and I'm so glad to have found you.

  • @user-xr6jy7hn2k
    @user-xr6jy7hn2k 22 часа назад

    Any plans for a full video on Johnny Ryan in the future?

  • @robertchampeau6867
    @robertchampeau6867 День назад

    Johnny The homicidal maniac. And squee

  • @robertchampeau6867
    @robertchampeau6867 День назад

    Having lived it it was more tragic than beautiful and for sure we don't know what we had

  • @hipsterindietrash6105
    @hipsterindietrash6105 2 дня назад

    Frankly, im surprised this didnt take more of this piss out of Hate. The first segment lead me to believe you shared my derision for the generation of slackers complaining about being able to afford a life of idle consumerism (ala fightclub, office space, first half of the matrix.) I dont really go in for the generational warfare of it all, however when I read hate and its latter issues, it felt as though it rightly pegged "Gen X" as engaging in the same mythmaking as the boomers, but faster and about less. That is, the boomers have this false memory of themselves as drivera of history by way of their daliance with counterculture before most of them became reaganauts. And while the hippies of yore had all the material impact of a piss in the ocean upon the vietnam war, womens rights, etc. Etc. The boomers still make fawning hagiographies of that time, as at least they did something sometimes, at least they crammed three decades of good music into about 7 years. Gen x, as depicted in Hate, is contrarian for its own sake, and have this schmaltzy reverence for the slacker who works a mcjob and offends people. They have somehow concreted a nostalgic and sacred generational identity like the boomers, but did so in their 20s and 30s instead of in their 50s and 60s. And i guess, it sort of seems ironic. To have a deep reverence for the product of a generation against deep reverence. To feel that there is something sacred about something which finds the idea of the sacrosanct so deeply uncool. But then again, the hippies grew up to vote for Ronnie Regan and make DARE, so it only follows that the gen x hipsters follow on by growing up and saying "back in my day!" About irreverent comix. Millenials will likely grow up to complain about the weans being too offended by everything and not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. We all grow up to be hypocrites.

    • @cartoonaesthetics
      @cartoonaesthetics 2 дня назад

      I thought P. Bagge & his alter ego Buddy were actually pretty free of navel-gazing or self-pity, or I wouldn't have enjoyed Hate so much. Even the Xer fixation on childhood pop culture nostalgia is kind of satirized when Buddy opens a retro collectibles store, which his friend Jay operates in a mercenary fashion.

  • @ElephantsEye-pg1zf
    @ElephantsEye-pg1zf 2 дня назад

    Plop….. basil Wolverton …and …. Mad … can you dive into the previous generation Great job , when does part 3 come out?

    • @cartoonaesthetics
      @cartoonaesthetics 2 дня назад

      Thank you, part 3 will be done soon. As for Basil, Mad, those are big topics! But if I get to them I'll try to offer a unique take.

    • @ElephantsEye-pg1zf
      @ElephantsEye-pg1zf 9 часов назад

      @@cartoonaesthetics Did Peter bagge do punk album covers? Also what’s the your recommendation for an intro to a gen x compilation?

  • @lanceash
    @lanceash 2 дня назад

    Has anyone here heard of a little comic called "Trailer Trash" by Roy Tompkins? It only lasted 10 issues on Tundra publishing. Anyone who likes "Hate" would probably like it too. It concerns a loser in Texas and all his loser friends. Too bad it never caught on and now Roy T. is forced to run an antiques store to make a living. Extremely well drawn and extremely well written.

  • @lanceash
    @lanceash 2 дня назад

    Why is that woman posed that way? Is that supposed to be "edgy?"

  • @Nick-zp3ub
    @Nick-zp3ub 2 дня назад

    I'm more of a golden age comics fan, but the darker and grittier comics of the 80s and 90s were enjoyable. It's good to have a violent antihero protagonist rather than another overgrown boyscout in spandex

    • @cartoonaesthetics
      @cartoonaesthetics 2 дня назад

      When it's done well, it's like a big piece of chocolate cake for your inner adolescent

  • @Xodgilla
    @Xodgilla 2 дня назад

    The 1980s were not conservative by any means. There was a mainstream entertainment artiface of it designed to appeal to the Me-Gen, but it was, in essence, a 10 year party. Cocain was king, hedonism was still raging from the 1970s, androgynous attitudes and persona defined the decade, while LSD enjoyed a significant comeback. It was also a tech booming, prosperous time, and it was still a relatively FREE society. The predictable exception were the Socialist population centers aka The Projects, the ghettos, the Hood, etc. In the dystopian government housing centers, crack, gangs, and government handouts destroyed everyone they touched. Gen-X was the continuation of that party combined with the relentless marxist-leninist subversion that has defined the Millennials and Zoomers. Gen-X was the first to suffer the early waves of socialist soft totalitarianism in DC. The 1990s were hit with the third wave of maoist cultural warfare, which included the rampant distribution of opiods and prescription addiction. Addiction was weaponized once again and would prove to plague the early 21st century. Political Correct propaganda and Leftist coercion were normalized and enforced - soft tyranny was taking shape, personal freedoms began to be taken away rapidly as population-warfare grew, post Margaret Sanger. The war on American society that had been started in the 1960s and 70s by the ACP became genuinely systemic. Gen-X kids were the guinea pigs for the millennial socialist overthrow of Western society and the establishment of socialist totalitarianism we enjoy today. Pop culture just became another weapon. It arguably always was.

  • @ImCurrentlyNaked
    @ImCurrentlyNaked 2 дня назад

    In a way, nothings really changed in how sanctimonious and 'holier than thou' these people (such as Kelton Sears) are; they think they're more accepting and tolerant of differing views and opinions, but when when they see something that challenges their sensibilities, they'll dust off the soapbox their fore-bearers used and jump right on. It's no surprise that something that was made to be edgy, insulting, and shocking would possibly offend, and there's it's definitely reasonable to critique the culture of the time that appreciated this stuff, but it lacks insight to throw a single artist of the time under the bus for the supposed misdoings of the culture at large. The only difference is which hand they're being wringing, the left or right? But who cares, the result is the same in the end; a bunch of finger wagging. Anyway, I'm enjoying the little documentary so far. I've never really read or heard much about hate before,

  • @leovicious6992
    @leovicious6992 2 дня назад

    shit 2003 buying drugs online using a library computer couldn't do that today!

  • @anactualmotherbear
    @anactualmotherbear 5 дней назад

    This really does explain where my comic book interests lie whenever I talk about "not-superhero" stuff. It's weird and raw, stuff for outsiders. I have a hard time describing what I mean, because while these comics are "of a time" they never really went away. There's still comics like this, but they are not the phenomena they were in the 90s. Bagge is definitely one of the greats.

    • @cartoonaesthetics
      @cartoonaesthetics 5 дней назад

      There was a real momentum at the time for alternative (to superhero) comics. Like I said in the first part, the industry failed to capitalize on that in the long term, but I think authors like Bagge were really motivated not only to do great work but to also potentially legitimize comics as a popular art form.

  • @anactualmotherbear
    @anactualmotherbear 5 дней назад

    I was born in 1980, very young for a Gen-Xer, but I still identify most with that generation since I matured way faster than most kids. I definitely would not call myself an "elder millennial" since I was afforded way more benefits to being part of the booming economy of my generation. I was out of the house by age 18 and living on my own in 1999. I would definitely say that 1990 was the big turning point, not just for the big round number that came up, but because it really did feel like everything was changing, and I was so there for it at just 9-10 years old.

  • @bernardocoto8519
    @bernardocoto8519 6 дней назад

    Can't believe I got an issue of Peter Bagge's Hate in the mid 90's or something, here in Costa Rica, CA. As soon as I saw it I knew it was special. I was knee deep into comics back then, mostly old Metal Hurlant from Spain and British 2000 AD from the 80s which became an integral part of my life. I still have them 30 years later. I used to read Mad and Cracked magazines back then. Awesome times...

    • @cartoonaesthetics
      @cartoonaesthetics 6 дней назад

      That is awesome. Magazines were such gateways to other worlds back then

  • @xdrian
    @xdrian 6 дней назад

    This is my favorite episode of The Wonder Years.

  • @ajhproductions2347
    @ajhproductions2347 6 дней назад

    You’re good with words. Thx and subbed lol

  • @danielbetancourt1483
    @danielbetancourt1483 6 дней назад

    Great video. I look forward to your future work 🧐

  • @wrobinnes
    @wrobinnes 6 дней назад

    Excellent! This is what RUclips is for. Neat Stuff and Hate would have been insipid mush had it catered to uptight wokescolds like the Seattle Weekly writer you mention.

  • @Teekay617
    @Teekay617 7 дней назад

    First year millennial here, my whole life I was told my generation was gonna change the world, class of 2000, and even as a kid i knew nothing was going to change. But at that time people thought there was gonna be some kind of Renaissance in the year 2000 that never came. I do miss that feeling of the unknown of the future it's lost now.

    • @cartoonaesthetics
      @cartoonaesthetics 7 дней назад

      Take good care of your kid - that's the unknown future

    • @Teekay617
      @Teekay617 7 дней назад

      @@cartoonaesthetics True and try not to mess them up as much as our parents did 😂 Most of us have one thing in common Gen X, Early Gen Z...... Divorce, blaming the other parent

  • @michaelg8642
    @michaelg8642 8 дней назад

    i really miss the weird authenticity; it feels like the soul of world has died in a way.. everything seems generic and awful now

    • @cartoonaesthetics
      @cartoonaesthetics 8 дней назад

      It's not that "history" has stopped, but culture has been stagnated by the iphone, basically

  • @fireflocs
    @fireflocs 8 дней назад

    People talked and acted that way in Hate because that was how people actually talked and acted in real life. It didn't reveal any kind of underlying bigotry in the people (real or fictional), so much as it reflected an attitude of irreverence; NOTHING was to be taken 100% seriously, or too sacred to fart on and laugh at. That description of the female characters in Hate as 'almost universally insane, sex-crazed, and taken advantage of'? Yeah, one of the reasons I love Hate is because of how absolutely true that rings to my personal, lived experience. All the women in my life are incredibly horny, have difficulty functioning, and get treated poorly by the unfair world we're living in. That is not a flaw in the comic; it's a feature, and a damn important one. It's a flaw in life itself. Despite the title, it was never about actual hate. It was about provoking the gullible into literally judging a book by its cover.

  • @librarianeric
    @librarianeric 9 дней назад

    I remember reading "Hate" in the early 90s because Bagge's art resembled nothing so much as Basil Wolverton's work in Mad Magazine. But it quickly became apparent to me that Bagge was using his character, Buddy, to say all the racist, sexist things that Bagge wanted to say without fear of criticism. And we see this sort of thing even today. Comics like Seinfeld, Maher, Carolla, Rogan, (and most recently - and regrettably - Chappelle) want to exercise their right to say whatever they want and of course, that is and always should be their right. But what they really want is not freedom of speech, but freedom from criticism. This allows them to paint themselves, ironically, as unfairly maligned victims whose only crime is saying offensive things. And when someone criticizes them or protests their events, they become the hypersensitive crybabies they accuse other people of being. Talk about entitled. These guys honestly believe they are entitled to laughs and immunity from criticism. Bagge, a right wing libertarian who has worked for the Ayn Rand-worshipping publication, Reason, is cut from the same cloth. His artwork is great, some of his work is hilarious, but at the end of the day, it's still the same old "woe is me, I'm being oppressed by liberals, gays and feminists because I'm entitled to laughs and if you don't like it, that's because you're an uptight culture warrior."

    • @cartoonaesthetics
      @cartoonaesthetics 8 дней назад

      I disagree, but I could see how you feel that way. Annoyance with liberals & feminists was definitely a recurring theme of his. But give Bagge credit, he's not some culture warrior / grifter like Bill Maher or Adam Carolla - he's created three respectful biographies of important feminist historical figures, including Margaret Sanger for goodness' sake. I have to disagree about him being anti-gay as well, Phil was a very sympathetic & well-rounded gay character from the original Hate, & the homophobia of Buddy's family (especially from Butch) was often an obvious subject of ridicule.

  • @believein1
    @believein1 9 дней назад

    We saw the 80’s and 90’s and the transition from the organic to the digital age. We are old school, but know technology as well. We are the perfect generation.

  • @OaksArmorial
    @OaksArmorial 9 дней назад

    I have to pause every two seconds to read the comics. This is unbearably annoying.

  • @damianmonke3922
    @damianmonke3922 9 дней назад

    This is a good ass video I really wish American comics went this direction. Edgy and fun and whatever it wants to be.

  • @KenLieck
    @KenLieck 9 дней назад

    This must be the whole season: Episode name Day Added The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 10 - Journey to the Center of the Idiot - Zen Ren 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 9 - Renunion - Plane and Simple - Ask Dr. Stupid Lemons 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 8 - Stupid and Afraid - I Dream of Stimpy 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 7 - Hair Fairy - Powdered Toast Man! The Movie - Everything to Me 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 6 - Aw Hell No! - Squatters 5/28/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 5 - Now Sea Here - A Stimpy is Born - Ask Dr. Stupid Toxic 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 4 - 2 Slow 2 Furious - Keeping Your Roommate Happy 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 3 - Bad Stimpy - The Mother of All Yakmases - Yucky the Mudman 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 2 - Screentime - Milk Pulp - All About Log 7/22/2024 The Ren & Stimpy Show Reboot Episode 1 - Renhattan - Table for Human - Clear

    • @cartoonaesthetics
      @cartoonaesthetics 9 дней назад

      @@KenLieck yeah I was hoping it would remain lost media so I wouldn’t have to review it someday!

  • @TrueSeed-ft1jn
    @TrueSeed-ft1jn 10 дней назад

    What a culture of losers.