You presenting such an important corner stone of a vastly overlooked generation is really interesting and captivating. Genuinely thank you for this series and I hope to see more in the future
Great video series! So well put together and engaging, I think I would have found this interesting even if I'd never read HATE. Your talk about Hate Annual #9 at 7:30 reminded me: wasn't there a "tenth" Hate Annual that was only included in the BUDDY BUYS A DUMP collection? I remember being annoyed at the time, because I couldn't justify the spending on a collection that I already had 90% just to get the "final" Buddy and Lisa story. I suppose now the only place to find it is the Complete Hate set which is even more out of my price range. Guess I should have sucked it up and gotten BUDDY BUYS A DUMP ten years ago LOL
Okay I'm having a small panic attack because I just checked my copy of Buddy Buys a Dump & you're right, there's a bridging story between Hate Annual 9 & Hate Revisited that I never knew existed
Oh man, this takes me back. These comics meant so much to me. I was born in '72 and read these as they came out. Excellent video series that really made me look back at my Gen X sensibilities and attitudes (for better or worse). Suscribed!
I got into The Eltingville Club a while back, and I couldn't help but see some similarities. Spaced out revivals, transgressive 90s series, and both had failed pilots. What I'm saying is, I think I'll be seeking out this oddball comic series because that's my jam.
That's an interesting comparison. Eltingville was never a regular series as you probably know, but I think what Dorkin & Bagge share in common is a gift for building up scenes that are both emotionally intense, but also really funny, with multiple characters in conflict. Bagge did a brief series called "Sweatshop" which only lasted 6 issues in the 2000s which was about a group of young cartoonists working for a grumpy old newspaper strip cartoonist, & that shared more obvious territory with Eltingville, being set within the comics industry. I'd like to a do a video on that in the future, as well as Eltingville.
Learned about Bagge's stuff through your videos. Feels like Gen X stuff has been retroactively flattened since the more "pop" stuff is what younger people will be more familiar with, so hearing about this indie comic gather a following has been a fun watch 👍🏽
I mean, it got about as big as an indie comic can get, but comics history is becoming a lost field of knowledge even among superhero nerds, now that they've grown up with superhero movies rather than comics. Anyways, glad I could spread some Hate to you!
Really enjoyed this three part overview you did, and was so intrigued that I went and read the Seattle comics and almost finished the NJ ones. So many aspects of this series resonates with me, I almost wish that I knew about them when I was a young adult.
Good comparison to the late Charles Shultz's work, but you needn't feel guilty playing it down. As an artist, I was shocked at the poor line quality of the recent comics compared to the previous, which was AMAZING.
I haven't kept up with the annuals, though I think I read the first. I lived in Seattle during the grunge scene, and a roommate had suggested Hate comics. "Aren't comics for children?" I asked him,but he said it was for adults and he lent me the first three issues to read. i became a reader and bought all the issues as they came out. I liked it because it seemed so autobiographical. I knew people like all of the characters and had substantially the same experiences. I too had moved to Seattle from the East, but I had been telling people I would be moving to Seattle after college all my life. I wasn't a hipster looking for a scene, but I happened on one anyway. The culture there was revving up and everyone was saying Grunge would be the next big thing before it was, as if it were planned. I was surprised to find so many other people moving there from the East, including people I went to college with, in Wisconsin, and someone from my old neighborhood in the suburbs of Chicago. There was a weird migration to Seattle in the late eighties.
This was really nice, great work. I was trying to think of something profound to add to what you've done here but I don't. You have a "way" of putting things and tell a good story. I look foreward to whatever you have next in line.
@@cartoonaesthetics Each issue has been so good. Issue 3 must be out soon? The writing has been incredible and the art looks fine to me (I think it tightened up a lot in issue 2).
How about videos on Love & Rockets and Los Bros? The new issues are still great, which is an amazing thing! Would love to see you give them some much needed publicity with the hipsters who don't know their work. Rock on!
As someone who loves Hate (and hates everything else...) I must congratulate yourself for these amazing videos!! What an emotional and nostalgic ride!! Buddy was a buddy of mine 30 years ago...
It's funny, someone mentioned to me the other day how they feel a similar way about Dragon Ball, because the characters in that age too. And that makes sense, but on the other hand, my life has been a lot more like Buddy Bradley's than Goku's.
It’s weird to feel genuinely excited for a new comic series. The closest I’ve felt to that in a while was getting a copy of Monica by Dan Clowes but that’s about it.
I’ve only recently ordered the new issue one through my local comic book store. It’s a really weird feeling to be excited for a new comic book. I’m mostly into back issues.
Since you brought up taking a somewhat-fanficy approach to Hate, I wanna confess: I still ship Buddy x Val x Lisa. That's quietly been my OT3 for about two decades.
@@cartoonaesthetics That's a big part of why I latched onto the character. I had a Lisa and Val of my own at the time, and was lucky enough to somehow have what Buddy wanted >.>
This is a very informative trilogy of videos, where the first video explains with great clarity what Gen-X thinks, and the next two, it really shows how the comic medium became very personal in a post-liberal society. I'm now more curious about Seattle then before.
Just read Hate - modern Seattle does not embody your preferred form of Eurasian Futurism. Whatever "culture" still remains reflects the tastes of Keltons
I’ll pick up revisited right away. Nice work on the review Stretchpants returns! When they published the Stretchpants story in the Martini Baton collection, I thought it was hilarious (around year 2000, I think). I actually got in touch with Bagge and Carrino by email. I told Carrino how funny I thought his stories were and asked for an original drawing and he sent me one. He drew a grotesque caricature of himself crying saying “at least somebody loves me” surrounded by onlookers pointing and laughing “ha ha! Look at the f@gg*t crying” Those guys were hilarious
Been enjoying this video series. I think I have an issue or two of Hate, but was never a big follower. I've known about the Fantagraphics store for a while, but still haven't been to it, despite living in Seattle. Time to head down to Georgetown.
They actually have a lot of individual issues of the original Hate for sale, as shown briefly in Part 2. But if you have some time to kill, it's also just a great place to browse all the different books like a library & discover new stuff.
Great conclusion, totally get why you'd be struck dumb in the presence of the man himself. I agree that the quality of the art is a long way from the original, but it does kind of make it feel like you're reading an indie zine.
@@cartoonaesthetics Avery retired on half pay after 20yrs as a Naval officer. Went back to grad school, got a Master's in criminology and is following his father Tom into the police force for a 2nd career
@@cartoonaesthetics I'm aware of the name of the channel - and i respect your intent. But man that video (the one with all the views) was lightning in a bottle
@@tidypog3272 Well, my goal with this channel besides just talking about stuff I love or hate is to try putting those things into a larger context - which is something I think other cartoon / comics channels tend to miss. So hopefully I'm able to broach other subjects people find interesting, vis-a-vis cartoon aesthetics. Because cartoons are meant to reflect reality, after all.
You presenting such an important corner stone of a vastly overlooked generation is really interesting and captivating. Genuinely thank you for this series and I hope to see more in the future
Glad you enjoyed it. I'll try to keep things interesting on this channel!
These three videos are an absolute triumph. Thank you for making them-- hope you make more!
Thank you!
Great video series! So well put together and engaging, I think I would have found this interesting even if I'd never read HATE. Your talk about Hate Annual #9 at 7:30 reminded me: wasn't there a "tenth" Hate Annual that was only included in the BUDDY BUYS A DUMP collection? I remember being annoyed at the time, because I couldn't justify the spending on a collection that I already had 90% just to get the "final" Buddy and Lisa story. I suppose now the only place to find it is the Complete Hate set which is even more out of my price range. Guess I should have sucked it up and gotten BUDDY BUYS A DUMP ten years ago LOL
Okay I'm having a small panic attack because I just checked my copy of Buddy Buys a Dump & you're right, there's a bridging story between Hate Annual 9 & Hate Revisited that I never knew existed
Oh man, this takes me back. These comics meant so much to me. I was born in '72 and read these as they came out. Excellent video series that really made me look back at my Gen X sensibilities and attitudes (for better or worse). Suscribed!
Thanks! There's a lot of great comics from the 70s, 80s & 90s to talk about in the future so hopefully I cover some more favorites of yours.
Excellent 3 part series. I feel very informed now. Thank you!
@@valenciaa.vaquero3104 thanks Val!
I got into The Eltingville Club a while back, and I couldn't help but see some similarities. Spaced out revivals, transgressive 90s series, and both had failed pilots. What I'm saying is, I think I'll be seeking out this oddball comic series because that's my jam.
That's an interesting comparison. Eltingville was never a regular series as you probably know, but I think what Dorkin & Bagge share in common is a gift for building up scenes that are both emotionally intense, but also really funny, with multiple characters in conflict. Bagge did a brief series called "Sweatshop" which only lasted 6 issues in the 2000s which was about a group of young cartoonists working for a grumpy old newspaper strip cartoonist, & that shared more obvious territory with Eltingville, being set within the comics industry. I'd like to a do a video on that in the future, as well as Eltingville.
Learned about Bagge's stuff through your videos. Feels like Gen X stuff has been retroactively flattened since the more "pop" stuff is what younger people will be more familiar with, so hearing about this indie comic gather a following has been a fun watch 👍🏽
I mean, it got about as big as an indie comic can get, but comics history is becoming a lost field of knowledge even among superhero nerds, now that they've grown up with superhero movies rather than comics. Anyways, glad I could spread some Hate to you!
Really enjoyed this three part overview you did, and was so intrigued that I went and read the Seattle comics and almost finished the NJ ones. So many aspects of this series resonates with me, I almost wish that I knew about them when I was a young adult.
It's funny how many of those stories & characters are still the types of people & experiences you encounter in life, decades later.
@@cartoonaesthetics Yeah, the phrase "product of your environment" definitely rings true in some circumstances.
Thank you for this series!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good comparison to the late Charles Shultz's work, but you needn't feel guilty playing it down. As an artist, I was shocked at the poor line quality of the recent comics compared to the previous, which was AMAZING.
Well, when you put your opinion out about someone you respect, you have to be respectful.
Really enjoying your videos dude, look forward to your next one ❤️
Thanks man
Even despite neither being gen x nor American this video series held my attention. Good job
Thanks! Glad you got something out of it regardless
Good series. Your presentation is great, I'd listen to you talk about your passions anytime.
Thanks!
Fantastic series of videos! MORE!
Thanks!
Yes, more please!
This truly was the Cartoon Aesthetics.
The real Cartoon Aesthetics are the friends we make along the way
I love this series, way to go!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I haven't kept up with the annuals, though I think I read the first.
I lived in Seattle during the grunge scene, and a roommate had suggested Hate comics.
"Aren't comics for children?" I asked him,but he said it was for adults and he lent me the first three issues to read.
i became a reader and bought all the issues as they came out.
I liked it because it seemed so autobiographical.
I knew people like all of the characters and had substantially the same experiences.
I too had moved to Seattle from the East, but I had been telling people I would be moving to Seattle after college all my life.
I wasn't a hipster looking for a scene, but I happened on one anyway.
The culture there was revving up and everyone was saying Grunge would be the next big thing before it was, as if it were planned.
I was surprised to find so many other people moving there from the East, including people I went to college with, in Wisconsin, and someone from my old neighborhood in the suburbs of Chicago.
There was a weird migration to Seattle in the late eighties.
I had to buy the box set for a revisit in my dotage.
@@timothykuring3016 That's awesome. It must have been something to be living there at that time & reading about it in Hate as well!
Great stuff man!
Thanks!
This was really nice, great work. I was trying to think of something profound to add to what you've done here but I don't. You have a "way" of putting things and tell a good story. I look foreward to whatever you have next in line.
Thank you, that's really nice of you to say. I'll try to keep things interesting here on the channel, whatever the topic may be.
Got really sentimental watching this series. I'm going to have to buy the revisited issues.
I can't believe it's halfway over already!
@@cartoonaesthetics Each issue has been so good. Issue 3 must be out soon? The writing has been incredible and the art looks fine to me (I think it tightened up a lot in issue 2).
How about videos on Love & Rockets and Los Bros? The new issues are still great, which is an amazing thing! Would love to see you give them some much needed publicity with the hipsters who don't know their work. Rock on!
Good idea!
Oh man I was hardcore crushing on Maggie for years…
As someone who loves Hate (and hates everything else...) I must congratulate yourself for these amazing videos!! What an emotional and nostalgic ride!! Buddy was a buddy of mine 30 years ago...
It's funny, someone mentioned to me the other day how they feel a similar way about Dragon Ball, because the characters in that age too. And that makes sense, but on the other hand, my life has been a lot more like Buddy Bradley's than Goku's.
It’s weird to feel genuinely excited for a new comic series. The closest I’ve felt to that in a while was getting a copy of Monica by Dan Clowes but that’s about it.
I haven't even read Monica yet, I'm saving it. But yeah, Clowes is one of the only other authors I still get really hyped for.
I dig that bagge kept buddy meh in politics.Hate rules
I’ve only recently ordered the new issue one through my local comic book store. It’s a really weird feeling to be excited for a new comic book. I’m mostly into back issues.
Since you brought up taking a somewhat-fanficy approach to Hate, I wanna confess:
I still ship Buddy x Val x Lisa. That's quietly been my OT3 for about two decades.
Lmao Buddy entertained that scenario himself in Hate #15
@@cartoonaesthetics That's a big part of why I latched onto the character. I had a Lisa and Val of my own at the time, and was lucky enough to somehow have what Buddy wanted >.>
This is a very informative trilogy of videos, where the first video explains with great clarity what Gen-X thinks, and the next two, it really shows how the comic medium became very personal in a post-liberal society.
I'm now more curious about Seattle then before.
Just read Hate - modern Seattle does not embody your preferred form of Eurasian Futurism. Whatever "culture" still remains reflects the tastes of Keltons
I’ll pick up revisited right away. Nice work on the review
Stretchpants returns! When they published the Stretchpants story in the Martini Baton collection, I thought it was hilarious (around year 2000, I think). I actually got in touch with Bagge and Carrino by email. I told Carrino how funny I thought his stories were and asked for an original drawing and he sent me one. He drew a grotesque caricature of himself crying saying “at least somebody loves me” surrounded by onlookers pointing and laughing “ha ha! Look at the f@gg*t crying” Those guys were hilarious
That's awesome
Been enjoying this video series. I think I have an issue or two of Hate, but was never a big follower. I've known about the Fantagraphics store for a while, but still haven't been to it, despite living in Seattle. Time to head down to Georgetown.
They actually have a lot of individual issues of the original Hate for sale, as shown briefly in Part 2. But if you have some time to kill, it's also just a great place to browse all the different books like a library & discover new stuff.
Great conclusion, totally get why you'd be struck dumb in the presence of the man himself. I agree that the quality of the art is a long way from the original, but it does kind of make it feel like you're reading an indie zine.
It's still really good art, & Bagge still has a great gift for subtle characterization, much like Schulz.
I shit you not I was literally in Georgetown looking for a Ramones record in Fantagraphics 3 days ago
That was YOU?
@@cartoonaesthetics yes lmao. Small world
yay! i love these videos :)
Me too 😁
Glad you like them!
I gotta read this stuff
Yes
These underground Comics are all that I cared about in the 90s. It was a big mistake
Aw
ohhh boy..
Of course Valerie wouldn't have any kids (thank God!).
I mean, I figured hers & George's kid would be really screwed up, which could be funny. I wonder how Tom's kid Avery is doing?
@@cartoonaesthetics Avery retired on half pay after 20yrs as a Naval officer. Went back to grad school, got a Master's in criminology and is following his father Tom into the police force for a 2nd career
@@EugeneLorey What if Avery's son shoots Butch in issue #4 & it just ends on a really dark note like Apocalypse Nerd
Nice to see somebody who says they don't care about politics truly means it and doesn't say it as a smoke screen to push left leaning politics anyway.
Pete's using it as a smokescreen for libertarianism lol
Gen x
Rock & roll photos
Boss 🤘
🤙
You should send him your videos. I think he'd dig em.
He was actually nice enough to retweet me when I posted them on Twitter (or "X" as in "Gen-X")
I watched them all, but i don't care about comics. Will you please make more content about genX in general
Only in the context of cartoons - that's the name of the channel after all
@@cartoonaesthetics I'm aware of the name of the channel - and i respect your intent. But man that video (the one with all the views) was lightning in a bottle
@@tidypog3272 Well, my goal with this channel besides just talking about stuff I love or hate is to try putting those things into a larger context - which is something I think other cartoon / comics channels tend to miss. So hopefully I'm able to broach other subjects people find interesting, vis-a-vis cartoon aesthetics. Because cartoons are meant to reflect reality, after all.