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I‘m currently protestant and there are still many teachings in the Orthodox Church that I find hard to accept. But man, I love the Orthodox Church! I feel drawn to it. It’s a beautiful Church and they have backbone in todays day and age which many protestant Churches don’t have. I like learning more about the Orthodox Church ☦️✝️

Does anyone know where the complete interview of this is?

Sola Scriptura took me back to the Catholic Church then to Orthodoxy.

It seems that Dr. Gavin referenced the Fathers specifically more than Father Patrick. I find with Orthodox apologists there is a lot of reference to consensus with the Fathers but then whenever a specific reference to the Fathers is made they dodge by claiming that that particular Father or that particular quote is an outlier, yet never give the counter perspective very strongly 🤔 where is this so called consensus? It seems hard for even Orthodox to pin down, respectfully 🩷

My favorite part is how they let each other talk and didn't interrupt each other at all. Very respectful.

✋ I'm a confident universalist, and I'm also Orthodox. That means my hope is in the trustworthiness of God to act like the type of good Father Jesus teaches us about. We are explicitly instructed, by Jesus, to use our moral sensibilities as human fathers to better understand God. The God who teaches us to forgive our enemies, and to pray for those who hate us; anyone _that God_ is continuing to sustain with any form of life, He has a plan to save. Dying without a secure connection to Jesus is dangerous. Hell is real, demons are real, and they hate us. For all we know, lost souls persist in their exile, in torments, potentially for ages. But we are not dualists; there is no equally powerful evil God, eternally at war with the good God. If it could be proved, beyond doubt, that our God created immortal souls destined for eternal torments, _which souls He would no longer accept repentance from even if they offered it;_ that would not prove eternal hell is somehow good. It would prove God was evil, after all.

All facets of Christianity reveal realities concerning BEING IN GOD. The church not an institution, but a gathering of those called out and awakened to who they truly are. Galatians 1/16. Orthodoxy is closest to the way the early church fathers understood the relationship of our humanity with that of God. Franciscan Catholicism the reality of Omnipresence. Protestantism the hunger for scriptures etc. But ultimately where ever we chose to gather we are encouraged to worship God in spirit (hearts) and in truth( reality). Maybe Christianity has lacked the witness to transform the world because of our desire to know God through intellectualism or emotionalism. Blessings to all who seek to find!

I became an Orthodox Christian after 24 years as a Protestant. Best thing I ever did.

Jag själv växte up i en religiös familj. män Efter 55 år av nåd jag fick förstå GUD villja, detta var aldrig att jag ska bugga eller gå till kyrkor, moské eller sunagoger. HAN har en ända önskemål . ATT VÄNDA MIN HJÄRTA och LIVSSTIL tillbaka till HANS tänkande grundade på i HANs 10 original BUDORD ! Du/ni läser samma sak i Exodus ( 2 Mose bok ) kap.20. Frågan är ! Vad gör du mer än läser detta. Vad är orsaken till att du sätter aldrig i praktiken ? Bara följer Satanska teater utställning in din korrupt, lurade mine . Tiden är kort ! Vänd dig ! Låt idiotiska tankar och praktiken bakom dig !!! Följ aldrig mig män Gör våra SKAPARE instruktioner, vilja och BUD inställe ! Detta är min åsikt och råd ! Makulära inte detta kommentar hellre. Din medmänniska.

You become tottaly Satan possessed! Or only partially? This is not God-fearing, but despises HIs patience and courage! GOD thinking is not our thinking and sect politics ! Wake up my dear proud, blind fellow human being! Isaiah, 66:22 - For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, says Yahweh, so your seed and your name shall remain. 23 - It shall happen, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says Yahweh. 24 - They shall go forth, and look on the dead bodies of the men who have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring to all flesh. Are you one of them ?

I have a hard time getting past the icons of your church. As God is a jealous God, and He alone is to be worshipped. Also, if Protestants can love Jesus and severe Him and preach Christ how can we be outside the Church?

Could you please develop about the εωσ preposition ? Im a little bit into exegesis and not conviced by the father's argument, but maybe missing something important. Regards

Saint Paul wrote: “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.” - 1 Corinthians 11:1-2 (KJV) Ordinances = Orthodox Traditions

On could say that there are many Orthodox churches that are not in communion with one another. Which Orthodox Church would be the "true" Church? The Coptics are in communion with Rome are they part if the true Church? Is Rome?

Orthodoxy is the Way.

This is so good thank you for this interview

You say Orthodox are exclusive and people aren't Christian outside the church but you are a Calvinist and believe most people were chosen to go to hell and only the few chosen are going to heaven. Explain that.

Can you be a Christian saved outside of Orthodoxy? Yes. However, why settle for watered down worship? Why avoid all of the miraculous healing powers available through participation in and rich history of the ancient Apostolic Church? Why be content with lukewarm Christianity that has lost its flavor and sweet aroma, that was once pleasing to the Lord? The Orthodox establishment far exceeds a mundane Sunday-life-it is the very essence of a consecrated Christian life for all believers. Serve the Lord in faith, follow the Orthodox way of Jesus Christ. Amen. ☦️ P.S. Please host a dialogue between Fr. John Whiteford and Dr. Gavin Ortlund. Thanks.

Francis chan , your humble way of following God has led you to these questions. The Church is indeed one, amd going back to its root is best for all of us

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Here, sign for this delivery please. What delivery? Oh, it's here, you just don't see it. See what? The Church. I'm signing for an invisible item that you delivered to me? Oh, makes sense, where do I sign?

Really great - but a small correction - the Orthodox Church is NOT the Ancient Church :) t's a LIVING CHURCH :) The Orthodox people have been living within this Church for 2000 years now - it is not ancient for us - it is our Living, True Church. My humble opinion is that it is very wrong to call it Ancient Church, when it has been Alive and practiced by millions of people for 2000 years now :)

As an African believer; The church in the west confuses me by what seems to be a sectarian culture. So does it mean that when you become an “Orthodox”, you become more justified before God than if you are “Protestant” or any other denomination? Isn’t the gospel, underpinned by the centrality of Christ, the authority of the bible, and living by it enough?

Yes, its great to see charitable responses, but what good is it if we cant come to know the truth? If Orthodox are the one true Church, all non-orthodox are damned. This is the historic Orthodox view. The whole "we know where the Church is, but not where it isn't', is a modern idea and was not present in the ecumenical councils. This is not good news. If this is true, a person who repents of sin and places faith in Christ is still damned because they weren't "in the one true Church'. This renders the orthodox faith to be a faith of works. This is not Scriptural and not what Christ taught in John 6, let alone the entirety of the New Testament.

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What origins of Orthodoxy are you from, this type of Christianity is is an Ethnic caste system sort of like Brahma for example if you hsve no Syrian then you can go to service but have to be a Syrian to recieve any communion. A Catholic for instance is lower caste like. Shudra and is not allowed such if not of Greco origins. Orthodoxy means purity of origins and Catholic which an insult meant universal "scattered" impure all over the place.

damn! The video stream chopped up right when father Trenham was making a profound point about the Mormon faith there at the end of the interview. I would love to know what he actually said there. I get the gist, obviously, but I would like to know exactly what his words were.

I’m a Protestant who is inquiring into Orthodoxy, and having watched sermons from Pastor Chan, it doesn’t feel surprising that he’s started coming to these conclusions. Pastor Chan has always had a very fervent desire for closeness to God and a love for Him that is palpable. Perhaps in time he will be lead into the historical churches.

The problem of the Filioque and why it also appears in the East, seemingly unchallenged for several centuries as heresy is precisely that what the Filioque in the post 9th-10th century western Creed is NOT equivalent to what the Church fathers teach in the earlier centuries. The Holy Spirit can proceed or come from the Son indeed, but only as an *economic procession* FROM the Father. The Father is the ultimate ETERNAL source of the Holy Spirit and the Son sends the Holy Spirit from the Father in space and time, and the scripture is also clear on this in multiple instances. What the post 9th-10th century western position changed into is that the procession of the Holy Spirit is eternally from the Father AND the Son, which is completely antithetical to the monarchical view of the Trinity as expressed at Constantinople I by the Cappadocians and thus, the actual theology behind the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. The Creed in its Constantinople I form defines the unique hypostatic identities of the Trinity, not econominal actions in space-time, the Son is the Son because He is eternally being begotten from the Father, the Spirit is the Spirit because He is eternally being spirated, or eternally proceeeds from the Father. Thus, the Filioque as understood in the western Creed is a heresy because they conflate eternal procession with economical procession, and what is more perverse is that the Vatican has been wishy-washy on this definition and many modern roman-catholic theologians are seemingly walking back on it, stating that the Spirit proceeds FROM the Father THROUGH the Son, which we agree with, but that was not the Filioque of the 10th century. It's a modern ecumenistic push to homogenize the Roman-Catholic Church with the Orthodox Church and appease us into accepting the Vatican, which we will not under heretical terms. The silver bullet against the Filioque is the Eastern Catholics who are in communion with the Pope of Rome, yet they refuse to say the Filioque, refuse to accept purgatory to a large extend, many o them do NOT affirm the mariology of the Immacculate conception, and they also venerate eastern post-Schism orthodox Saints that Rome has condemned for several centuries. This proves that Rome is more interested in ecumenism isntead of actual theological unity a.k.a what the work Katholikos means.

The Church is the collection of sheep who hear their shepherd’s voice. Is it amongst the Orthodox, yes it is, is it coterminous with the bureaucratic institution of the Eastern Orthodox bishops, NO. This is the main issue. Show me in the New Testament where Jesus or the apostles told us that there would be an institution to which we must look for salvation. It’s not there. I’m sorry. I’ll only respect your response if you’ve spent as much time learning Koine Greek to read the New Testament in the original as I have, or as many years studying the fathers as I have

If you dont respect my authority , streight to hell.

History shows orthodox spit with the Catholic church 0n 1054 and protestant on 1517 so it is clear Jesus warms us not to take heed of the false prophet.

Some people might cite the whole Theosis thing, and well that might be kind of weird, what I can certainly say no to as a protestant is the idea of salvation by Grace plus works, which both the Roman Catholic and Eastern orthodox churches preach. The Bible teaches that salvation is by Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone on the authority of scripture alone to the glory of God alone (Ephesians chapter 1 through two, 2:1-10; Romans 3:19-28; second Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 49-50 John 3:16; Romans 11:6).

Pray for me John Lopez from Malaysia and for my brother Hegel Marcus Lopez for our salvation and conversion in Jesus Christ name. Thank you ❤

The idea of indentured servitude still exists in the trope where some fictional character eats in a restaurant but then can't pay their bill, so they are shown washing dishes. This is like the ancient debt slavery referred to in the bible, but no one ever gets offended by the trope for some reason.

I going to read it again ... from Ethuopia

Great talk.Thanks -s

Francis speaks for many us Pastor/teachers [me]. We have historical writings for a reason, Josiah is becoming my source of information much need …

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The Bible teaches "one church". The Catholic curch is "one church" too. But those two churches seems not to be in compliance. The reformers tried to harmonize those churches. - Not very successful.

Why. Do Orthodox and Catholics reject Paul own words in 1 Corinthians, Romans and Philippians when he calls all believers Saints . They all took the Bibles and made their own religion

I met Jesus Christ in the pages of the Holy Bible.

I had an extended series of conversations with a cradle Orthodox woman at my church that began by mentioning Frost's book and advocated pushing altar girls, then deaconesses, and progressed to her advocating a removal of all gender specific language around the holy trinity, and for women preists and hierarchs. I held the line throughout, and forced her to think through the implications of her views- that the rendering of all distinctions between the sexes arbitrary and the changing of our language to fit the message of today would so fundamentally shift the church's theanthropology that there would be nothing to stop the rest of the advance of the LGBTQ movement in the church. She responded by admitting she wouldn't mind if the church one day ordained a trans bishop. This stuff is poison.

My faith as a believer is not based on the 16th century but on the Word of God “ delivered once for all to the saints” Jude 3 He uses the 16th century as a marker for those who left the Catholic Church but there were true believers all along before that time

Is she calling out Jay Dyer?

Anyone who calls the church "her" has no idea at all who Jesus is.

Satan used scripture to tempt Jesus. Even satan uses bible as a tool.

So sad my orthodox brothers don’t understand Protestantism . It didn’t start in 15th century. History doesn’t teach this fantasy about Church History as being united as they propose