Jordan Peterson - The Shadow Reaches All The Way Down To Hell
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024
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Psychology Professor Dr. Jordan B. Peterson explains how the moral degeneration of the individual eventually pathologizes the whole society.
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Modern man likes to believe there's no absolute evil.
and yet continues to insist in absolute good or vise versa it is truly a strange thing
Key words "likes to believe". AKA denial
@Jay N Other dimensions lower and higher than ours exist and there are beings which reside in those dimensions, how are you so sure that heaven and hell don't exist?
There is no absolute evil but people certainly can act in a way that most people would despise.
There is absolute evil, but it is usually out of reach for ordinary humans or alternatively bad/evil people are pawns to absolute evil. But you would be needed to be demonic to be absolute evil and even if let's say evil tyrants come close in being absolute evil they are not. In other words absolute evil is divine, but in reverse, so maybe complete saint turning 180?
I used to have a drug addiction for several years. Together with a certain aimlessness and lack of perspective it turned into a repetitive wheel that I simply couldn't stop. There were times where I had painful jolts running through my head, like electrical shocks, and I couldn't think straight for a second, a very deep depression. At some point I came to the realization not that I had to stop, I knew that for a long time, but somehow what made me stop was the realization how painful it would be. I was literally thinking "man, I'm so fucked up, it's going to take me years to recover from this". I couldn't even plan or think in such timespans back then. Somehow, that's still what made me stop destroying myself. The recovery process is worse than the addiction itself, and for every year you're addicted, you spend two recovering, there's so many defeats and few victories. Throughout my time of recovery, I made many discoveries about myself and how individuality in general has to be conceptualized in order not to be defunct. I still have many bad habits, I procrastinate and waste time, but I can only be dishonest to myself for so long and so much before I notice it. That's what I learned from that time.
Fresh i feel as though i’m at a similar point in life myself.. funny how we harm ourselves to somewhat heal ourselves in the short term.
Hell is what you make it 🤷🏻♂️
all the Best
I've been in out of recovery for nearly 40 years wish Dr. Peterson had been around during my youth he speaks about maintaining good orderly direction in life which is a higher power I can accept.
can you tell us your story? because I'm in a similar situation and I want to know what is the mentality and the thing that drives us to recover.
Rigjt on brother. Same here. Keep our sobriety by giving it away. If you are under the impression. That you dont owe god service . You sre wrong all that time you were f d up. There wre those here who suffered more than you. Press on. Sincerely your brother in christ cr.
I procrastinate all day and listen to JBP all night to punish myself.
😂😂me too but hey he gives hope
1000 points! Nothing could more accurately describe my past weeks since I discovered JP
You punish yourself with a blessing
good man
That doesn't sound too good fam
6:00 "It was rooted in the degeneration of the individuals who made up the society." That's gold.
Wow! The description of Satanic arrogance was spot on, if you know any narcs, especially the self-proclaimed variety.
You might be able to tell that this is my favorite topic and I hope it isn't too repetitive,
but I personally think hearing it repeatedly in different contexts can actually help being observant
of what you are actually up to. He says that people tend keep the shadow at an arm's length
and that turns out to be an eternal/repeating problem for me, because everytime I think I can
use it in a productive manner I always find new parts of it that I have kept at an arm's length
and refused to even recognize.
I tried to solve this problem by doing more reading, solving it with my head so to speak,
but I came to the conclusion that to identify the parts of you that are aiming downwards,
you have to keep fixing things that you can fix, because I think that's a limiting factor
of honest self-observation and introspection, because otherwise your vision is too clouded with chaos.
That's also a reason why I find this so terrifying because there are a ton of things I still need to
sort out and therefore a lot of things I am still completely blind to.
Bite-sized Philosophy I think that acknowledgement of the shadow must be a continuous process throughout one's life. I don't think anyone can reach a point where there's nothing left to discover and bring truth to. But that's also encouraging because it hints that there is no real cap or ceiling to how much one can improve oneself as long as they continue assimilating their shadow and aiming upwards
Jordan is not honest in his own self observation. He is damaged by religion beyond hope.
it was incredibly interesting to listen to.
Critic: but he isn't talking about religion, he is talking about humanity ... and one invented the other
I am talking about Jordan.
In life I have learned that the ONLY way to have a fulfilling life, is to get my act together and make something of myself. Nowadays, it seems that happiness is the meaning of life- which isn't true in the least. The only way forward is to be a proper individual, which means that it is a matter of duty to be a person who I would respect.
"And the walls came down, all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing, never saw them when they fell"
- Traveling Wilburys
Okay I’ll come right out and own my shadow...I have been using my partner’s credit card behind his back and racked up a substantial debt that I am now, not surprisingly, having trouble clearing off. Please don’t judge me. I screwed up big time and now I’m owning my 💩 so I can start fresh and make amends for my past mistakes. Having to admit to myself that I’m a sneaky liar and a thief, when in reality or my idealised reality I used to think I was a fair and honest person...is tough. But I feel so much lighter just by acknowledging the darkest parts of myself that I spent the past 16 years keeping at arm’s length. Thanks for the inspiration JP. A little tough to fully understand and swallow, but I appreciate the tough love. It was so needed. 🙏
Oceanmama you’ve been doing that for 16 years and he doesn’t know?
It takes strength and braveness to admit and accept your mistakes. I'm proud of you.
you're just a thief.
u admitting it does not change the fact that u did it,
Understand yourself and learn to forgive yourself. Not in a way that excuses your mistakes, but in a way that allows you to heal the part of you that would do that sort of thing. Love yourself. Love your better conscience. Love your shadow too. Retool that negative entity towards something good productive and it will be surprisingly effective.
Smh. sometimes you hear things in a way you never thought. We minimalize our actions to justify them but I never realised, probably didn't want to, the extent in which we participate and encourage the hell we live in.
I surely can't undo listening to that.
Glad you are listening. You are young live li and e in a way you can be proud of. God bless.
Amazing talk. I admire Jordan Peterson for his clarity.
Jealousy and resentment is the desire to pull down those you would like to be - a destruction of your own ideal. The shadow of the human being is linked to Hell.
The study of self-realization and the teachings of dr peterson have helped me immensely on my journey back from the deep dark depths of my past self's living hell....truly grateful🙏
I feel brother enjoying the painful suffering journey everyday. 67 days strong ;-;.
Enjoy You're pain long enough
And it will kill You.
Stop enjoying playing with You're demons
Because they will kill You also.
@@tobiahtoviyahgoodnessof349 WORD
Thanks to Jordan peterson i am back in the right track of life for tthe second time i will forever be greatful.
"Even the light of understanding casts shadows."
The way I feel about this is the fact that we give ourselves a sense of entitlement to allow us to proceed with bad judgement towards chaos. We need to pay more attention when we feel that we can act when we see something that we deem "wrong" and try to "make it right" by using "our sense of humor/justice" to make it right or "tech a lesson" (which normally involves humiliating someone else, thus enabling the idea of the "other"). Chaos will manifest itself to balance our arrogance and show us that "we can do better than that". Of course if you're in a position of power, things can get a little tricky because of that "sense of entitlement" I've mentioned in the beginning.
I have listened (about once a week) to this for almost a year now and i’m still dissecting it. JBP, you are the man.
"There's a darkness in my bones
It reaches all the way down to the mud"
--Pat The Bunny 'For the sake of the ash'
I lacked father figure severely. Although I lived with both of my parents, my mother did everything and my father never had any good advice to give as growing up, he was just so selfish and seemed to even be in a different room a lot as he doesn't like being around kids, even evident still now that there's grandchildren visiting, he does exactly the same thing as he did when we was kids. I like to watch Jordan Peterson in order to get the kick up the arse my father made me end up needing.
john higgins he probably doesn’t trust himself and keeps himself at arms length in order to protect vulnerable children from himself ... maybe emotional connection is too traumatic of an experience for him because he hasn’t healed from his own trauma. So he remains closed off to protect others from that trauma coming out.
Yes nice enough excuse for the behaviour.
But really they cause so much intergenerational harm. Just by neglect is bad enough.
Get away from these people as soon as you practically can, and don't look back.
@@jackiedouglas4483 that's what happened and things are much different 3 years later. Much different. Looking at that comment I posted now makes me cringe tbh. I got rid of 'self help' stuff ages ago because I found it actually doesn't help much. Only you can help yourself. Once you've seen half an hour of Peterson you've pretty much seen what he's all about and ever got to say. It goes round and round so you keep hearing the same stuff but worded slightly different.
If somebody watches Jordan Peterson or any other self help charlatans for advice on how to become a stronger, better, more approachable man, and after a year you still never go outside, that person really doesn't want to help himself. Seriously, half an hour of Peterson is enough. There's hearing it, but then there's doing it.
This speech cuts into my core that is uncomfortable but also progressive. He really is the greatest teacher/speaker/philosopher I have ever heard.
Dark was the night cold was the floor.
If you listen to this and compare it to the whole Hollywood and winstien scandal it's quite troubling when you notice a lot of people despite the things that have happened to them and others refuse to name the perpetrators
Brilliant with a clarity which brings real seriousness to the timelessness of our present human condition.
“Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home.” --Stephen King -- The Stand
3 triangulation
It was a profound book.
One thing I take issue with when it comes to Jordan Peterson is it seems he has no problem giving Carl Jung and his philosophy the Credence to be literal and real, but regarding the Bible (which he gives just as much weight to as he does Jung) Bible as myth the only paints a picture of reality - but not with the literal conviction he attributes to Jung.
He gives them both equal credit where credit is due. Jung put nearly all the myths together to come up with a literal understanding, and the bible is one of those myths.
Thank you now I know, I can't unknow. Which means I too must take responsibilty for my actions, or lack of action.
unconcious of every person try its best to avoid confronting the shadow by running away when there is an open fire
1:24, Jordan Peterson is so amazing!
No tree can reach to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell.
I just lost my relationship as a brother to my sister... over the issue of abortion...
I had to speak my truth... I'm 31, she's 24... I love my sister as any brother would. I want her to make the best choices she can... Jordan Peterson has helped me grow in ways I never considered even possible myself... I pray that I can salvage my relationship with my sister, but I can no longer stand down on my values... "Tell the truth, or atleast don't lie."
Just out of curiosity, why would differing viewpoints come before one of the most valuable relationships a person can have? I don’t mean that in a condescending way.
Literally. That is what happening on the level of society right now.
Cain was "virtue signaling ". His offering was not the right one. Just a show that didn't cut deep enough.
I believe that we are all alike more or less we are exactly the same. The things that make us different are that we have different stimuli that bombard us. And over time that creates a psychological variation. Much like a genetic variation but with less time. So when you read a book of fiction or non fiction. You are having a conversation with a part of you that you have not explored. A canvas of the human experience that is new to you and therefore in pieces relatable.
A philosophy of truth :) that would be in the Bible.
What an excellent lecture.
Then there's gotta be something that reaches all the way up to heaven?
no, its not in human nature I believe
Human consciousness encompasses the full spectrum from the lowest hell realm to the highest heavenly realm.. Lessons to be learned in every level until we learn to make clear choices and tune in, akin to tuning in to whatever radio station we choose to tune into.. Hindu cosmology maps out the 14 levels very eloquently...
if we have a shadow we have a light the part of us that wants to see the world a better place to do better to strive to be better they both start small they are living breathing starve them and they shrink feed them and they grow
well maybe, but you have to strive to conduct yourself and be good, while being evil comes without effort
@@mysticchords You can only make such statements about the conscious when you first acknowledge the key role the unconscious plays, especially seeing as such concepts as the Shadow lie within the unconscious archetypes and can dominate the consciousness. Thus it would be better say that the psyche as a whole that encompasses such a "spectrum"
Jordan Peterson rocks
I am in a terrible way and do not know where to turn. I have always scoured my psyche and have found many things that terrify me. However I recently took a good look at my sexuality and found self destructive obsessions that do reach down to the deepest levels of malevolence. I am so traumatized I don't know how to navigate forward. I am stopped in my tracks. It was so much more than I was ready for and to integrate this seems like it would destroy my whole being.
Nick Sievers Depending on what those things are, turn your attempts more toward simply acknowledging those obsessions, and acknowledging the virtue that is keeping what needs to be suppressed, suppressed. That way, you’ve got total control of yourself, which is very empowering, yet you’re also living as honestly as possible by acknowledging it within. That’s how it is integrated. Because even if nobody else knows, you do, and that understanding is being honest with yourself. Which brings you closer to living truthfully, which is the goal.
Be at peace with it. That is what will keep you from ever needing to act on it.
But one of the most important things to take note of is the undeniable reality that is this - we ALL have that malevolence inside, or at least the potential for it. All of us in different ways. So view it as a piece to your total puzzle as a human being, because you’re not different or worse than anybody else. It’s like what JBP says about the nazis - don’t ever act like you’d never be one of them if you were living in nazi Germany. Because odds are, yes you would.
Nick Sievers Ask Jesus to help you. He's real, and He still heals those who ask.
Here, have a hug :)
As painful as it is to behold all these dimensions of your psyche, it's such a gift to be aware, but it's very helpful to connect tangibly with wise and compassionate elders who can support and mentor you, beyond the shame and blame narrative which is common in society.
I'm speaking from personal experience as i was in a chronic state of despair for more than 10 years and had no idea how i'd find the way to come back into loving myself and life.
As a wise meditation teacher told me 'There's nothing within the realm of the mind which cannot be completely transformed within the course of a lifetime.'
In desperate times when nobody was with me i'd keep my hand on my heart and breathe with those words...
Cultivating some kind of self compassion is essential.
One breath at a time Nick... Keep the faith and trust in the power of your Self.
Nick Sievers You are making massive headway just by publicly acknowledging it. Own those deep dark parts of yourself and then you can fully heal by integrating it into your being. Most human beings are neither all darkness or all light - we are both. Sending you love and strength.
i would LOVE to hear a discussion between Dr Peterson and Dr Mike Heiser!!!!
Dr. Peterson speaks the truth!
This is so profound that touch some part of me that I don't know yet what it is. It's like feeling the waves of this hit, sense the earthquake but not been able to grasp it.
We bark orders at each other all day, yet don't want to be told what to do. Start by not bossing others. Attitude and Stewardship matter. Literally.
Magnificent articulation of the route getting to the core point !
I really enjoy all of your lectures. I ask myself however, could it be that a man who knows the relationship between good and evil so well really doesn't believe Satan is real?
this man needs to be a leader
He has no such talent.
Totally. But I think he would not want to.
well, he IS leading
the place he is now is a position of GREAT influence and leadership
jordan peterson has earned a level of credibility and legitimate authority equaled by very few men in the world
he doesn't need a political office, hes more important than that
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:27 NKJV
At first I was opposed to the idea of Hell as I thought it was propaganda in the societies where Abrahamic religions were founded to intimidate citizens into following the laws at the time by exploiting their fear of death. I also thought that no one deserves to be tortured for eternity after they die as a punishment for anything, much less for rejecting Christianity out of free will or not attempting to follow the ten commandments etc.
But this has kind of made sense in a way because Jordan talks about interpretations of what it means to sin and how it isn't just not going to church on Sunday, its about being destructive, which is why all religions abrahamic or not seem to have their own version of Hell which makes me think why, and the how the ideas of post-mortal existential consequence for a life poorly lived seem to be a primal thing in modern humans.
Basically to sum my point up: Hell seems to be more a consequence of failing to live constructively and with integrity rather than just rejecting a God.
Truth.... philosophy of truth....
I think the circles already exist for us in life for those of us who have already defaulted there
I think this is a great video but a side effect of it is terrifying people making it harder to digest especially if you know this applies to your current values in life.
4:48, Another fair point.
Nihilism never made sense to me in that our needs are inherently valuable wether we believe it or not.
eg. food will always mean the world when I’m hungry, and mean nothing when I’m full. I didn’t choose this, it is what it is.
The first of the 4 agreements in Toltec wisdom.
The darkness of the shadow of the pines depends on the light of the moon. Kodo Sawaki
i feel like the title would be some fire lyrics
Emmylou Harris song
But one thing they don't tell you about the blues When you got em
You keep on falling cause there ain't no bottom There ain't know end.
At least not for Lillian
All charity is nothing more than self interest masquerading as altruism- Anthony DeMello
Every one looks out for #1.. whether you choose to be aware of it or ignorant to it makes no difference... we don’t do things that aren’t self serving .. even the soldier that dives on the grenade .. does he not believe he will be rewarded after life or at the very least does it not feel good to give for others , be it a simple favor or giving your life
Levi interesting
George R Price equation
We are selfish by nature it is why we have survived this far
Fair question. But is it the chicken or the egg? Does it feel good BECAUSE it's selfless or do we do selfless acts because they feel good?
In other words, why does it feel good to do a nice thing for someone else that doesnt otherwise benefit us? Whats the evo-psych of that feeling?
Cuts right when the nephilim stuff comes up. Very curious to hear Mr. Peterson's take on all that.
Thanks for finding this...
2:25, is it fair to say excellent transit in a society is a mark of a time in that society when advanced thinking occured?
Tammy must be a very lucky woman. She is very very very very sure her man does not cheat on him. 1:49 "The first issue with regard to stating the truth or behaving in a responsible manner would be merely stop cheating at whatever game it is you have chosen to play, that is a good start. And that will straighten out your life."
This can change the game of our government if people understand or want to plow this into their lives
The great debate encouraging you to think to come to your own conclusions and have your own opinions this is what these men do do they inspire you too think to use your own Minds and not to be findable to the narrative and the line
The knowledge of good and evil in itself isn't bad, but rather what you do with it...
I wish I was half as smart as JP
IPRRD M 😂 me too !
im gonna go out on a limb here and assume what he would say to this ...."Do it dont just be as smart as me be smarter if its what you want work towards it"
Read the books he's read. It's not hard. All he does is repeat what other men have written. Seriously.
its not about being smart its about reading and learning.... thats what every "smart" person ever has done
In truly knowing, you know that you truly know nothing....
The spirit is life, the mind is the builder and the physical is the result! If you need physical evidence to confirm that we are all one and connected then the electric universe theory confirms it.
U can sense evil when u look into someones eyes
Thanks
Goooooooddddddaaaaaamn.... Dudes a genius but those last few sentences.. Boom..
It's so funny when the video starts with Jordan just struggling through life for two seconds... Exciting times!
TRUTH
If you think you've won you never saw me change the game that we were playing.
I mentioned this topic in another video.. It began to happen too often eventually. So I stopped.. I never truly gave total conclusion to ever really coming back each time completely.. I've had conversations with others that at times when trying to describe it it eventually has a similar feel and I have to stop thinking about it.. Today I'm ok with it.. I still wont do anymore.. I used to think it was bad acid or shrooms..I do believe it had to do with my depression.. I was hyper as a kid a bit and the comedian.. But had some really far out trips..
I meant to post this on a previous Hallucinagenic video.. Lol
Bad trip is the name
7:38 that
The shadow knows.
Persona 3, 4, 5, and 6 vibes here.
Because we can all see each other, do our shadows all see each other? I believe so.
@lickmy gooch Did you watch the video? I can see how you've misinterpreted what I said, but by watching the video you should know what kind of 'shadow' I'm talking about. What I meant is the shadow within us like what Jung talked about.
We see each other with our eyes which is our consciousness. So maybe all our subconscious minds see each other too but in a different dimension we can't see or notice happening. No proof and not claiming to be correct, just a thought. A stoned thought lol.
I forget who wrote the story about a group of people in hell. The moral being that you see yourself reflected... reputation. I'll remember it at some point. I didn't read it. It was described to me.
You ever have to say, "don't tell me what to do?!"?
sounds like my wife. whatever happened to people around her, it happened to herself too. she is like satan. saving herself with destroying other's.
Sixty-One people have not integrated with their shadow.
Hell is what we create every day when we cause billions of animals to suffer so people can eat meat. Hell is being unwilling to face that honestly and have the courage to change it.
Purgatory, really. Hell and Judgement are also events in time, and I don't hold those keys. I get a Bible and the Holy Spirit until Christ returns to the Mount of Olives.
I work six days a week, and and nobody will rent me a room.
Something wrong with my face?
I'm being made homeless so it seems.
Thanks society.
This life has been very cruel.
I have BPD and I'm alone and facing catastrophe because I have to rely on other people....you people have ruined my life.
AL Byrne wym you people?
Hmm did you ever find a place to rent?😟
I will rent u a room
@@valerieparker2242 I'm living in a hotel and Tomorrow I will cut my wrists in the bath. I'm done!
please don't waste your life. it will get better push forward. trust me
i have been homeless. sleeping on my front lawn under a boat.
it made me realize my happiness. dont get me wrong i didnt like it while it was going on but wow did it change my perspective of live love joy resentment anger and fun.
when i was homeless i realized life is what i make of it.
all the best to you in life one foot infront of the other
I don't know but I think it is pretty arrogant to call Satan a mythological archetype while he is out actually and in reality deceiving killing and destroying the masses.
Being. Good osn t good enough. Its all about following gods medsage of salvation thru repentance. B
What constitutes 'moral degeneration'? Is it what is mentioned as Evil at 3:50 ? Hurting someone self conciously. Is it just action or both action and thought? For instance, if I fantasize about killing an innocent person but i don't really carry out the act, would that be considered moral degenation and would it contribute to the degeneration of the cosmos?
Great question... if "thoughts are invisible things" that do work, regardless of whether or not they're expressed into physical action... and everything is connected energetically at some level(s).. then we're responsible for far more than we often want to realise/acknowledge at both a personal & collective level!
@@davidparker3834 in that case, is the cause effect mechaism like a physical law purely based on the thought and action one engages in? is it like, u do this or u think this and this will be the repercussion? I'm not buying that coz very rarely do two different people get the same out come for the same action...good or bad...so what's next? could it be that the reward or punishment for your thoughts or actions depend on how you relate to it? coz that could be totally different based on your religion, culture, upbringing etc. idol worship, eating meat, even muder can be perceived as good or bad based on ur cultur and all of this can be changed by convincing the person that it's all in your head....that's what psychologists do....to me, JP appears to be a pastor in disguise...either his religious conditioning is very deeply rooted in him or he is doing it intentionally in an attempt to revive religious morality...perhaps he clearly see's the dangers of a godless world...the world could end up in chaos if no on believes in god anymore...that I believe is a genuine concern....if there is not going to be any sort of a backlash for engaging in a so called evil deed, why should u not hurt anyone for personal gains? Why sould I not murder my neighbor and steal his car? u can argue that the law will take care of that... well, old religious beliefs form the basis for modern laws...they are still relevant in the form of modern laws and if we completely take away the value of those religious teachings, sooner or later all laws will fade away...it just takes one maverick like a hitler or a Mussolini for that to happen...imagine a totally godless evil person coming to power in a nation? he can throw all laws out of the window and then what happens? the country goes into chaos...and in today's world if that start's off its gonna be hard to control it....it could lead to the total obliteration of the human race....
I think when you don’t question the thought (good or bad) you begin forming a habit of feeling those thoughts and playing them out either mentally or in reality. Being possessed by the shadow’s feeling is what Jung would describe as being possessed by the Goddess Eros. You begin to let Eros subconsciously drive your life. It’s up to the individual to interpret the shadow’s information. Doesn’t mean you’d carry out the actions, but it does mean you’d fall into the category of the collective unconscious-to which you were “just doing your job” by executing innocents if you were forced to. Or you carried out that school shooting by executing that which you hate in yourself. So my conclusion is that we’re all in moral degeneration (born in sin). In certain areas, we can tell ourselves what we are and aren’t capable of, being born in sort of a neutral ground-and through nurture we decide what is “justifiable” while letting the other areas slip into oblivion, not realizing we’re all capable of the most horrid evils and wondrous goods. It’s up to us to face ourselves and begin being arbiters of the highest standard to stop this regression, and some are lucky and stumble into this accidentally; others are simply privileged enough to not ever have to ask these questions. All you have to do is analyze your emotions, thoughts, and shadow interpretations because it’s your conscience telling you what you need to fix in yourself that would affect the world positively.
Regarding the first part what if you twist reality and get away with it, what does that say about you, what if you succed at doing that, im not saying doing it all the time for the sake of it, but sometimes ... Cheers
You’re just lucky. Meaning it’s something that could happen but you shouldn’t count on it. It’s also a matter of time, so you don’t want to pile up those situations. You never know when life will present you the bill. You could do something today, and put in action a chain of events that will suck you down in hell at some point 20 years ahead in your life. Giving the right amount of time, you will end always paying your price. For all we know, only the dead can’t be asked the price of their actions.
Last year I successfully integrated my shadow. It was a traumatic experience. Ask me anything.
Why was it traumatic?
@@aldreiong7679 wow a lot has changed since this comment. When you ask yourself deep questions that you've been avoiding your whole life, you're forced to confront reality when you finally begin to answer those hard questions. This breaks any delusions you might have about your perception of self. Integrating your shadow involves objectively analysing your past experiences and coming to terms with the reality of your life and for many, including myself, this is pretty hard. No one (except for me and a few rare others) voluntarily chooses to confront their 'shadow'. Most prefer to live in delusion where ignorance is bliss. But then again, most people are mediocre.
All this leads to a form of ego death where you are stripped of your self identity and the best analogy I can describe is like that of a snake shedding its skin. After you shed your skin (ego), you don't know who you are and if that is your first experience, this can be difficult to cope with. I became psychotic and depressed for like 6 months during this period but I managed to recover. This was in on itself traumatic. After the recovery everything changed. My behaviour and mentality improved and I stopped failing at life. Infact, my life is better than ever today.
I believe the difference between choosing a path of mediocrity and greatness is your willingness to accept suffering as a fact of life rather than trying to hide or escape from suffering. In order to be great, I must 'suffer' and commit to passing the difficult challenges I have selected by choosing the path of greatness. Purposefully integrating the shadow is step one.
How did u do it ? I’m going thru it now and I’m having a tough time
@@vincentlongo2386 Have a plan. If you're going through tough times then accept your suffering and embrace hitting rock bottom.
When you're at rock bottom you feel the most amount of negativity that all your dark thoughts and emotions come to the surface and feel normal. It is at this point you confront your shadow. It will either destroy you and you become a miserable cunt forever or you can face it and integrate your shadow with the intention of becoming a better person with noble aspirations and purpose in life.
This is not easy because even though I succeeded, I nearly got kicked out of university. I smoked a lot of weed too which exacerbated the depression. Dont let this experience fuck up your life, even though it feels like hell, understand this is a natural process that grows your character and makes you become the person you want to be.
How????? I thought no one could integrate the entire shadow, it’s simply too vast
Can the shadow be interpreted as man's fallen nature?
The shadow might be interpreted as a bi-product of the fall. What do you think?
I think that is what he is meaning to articulate.
That's what it seems to be.
Sin with other words?
I would say, it won't be sin itself, rather it would be the side of you that want to sin in the first place.
Karma
....... The lies people have to tell ..... themselves????? ..... to live
in life situations ..... they do not belong in ..... for some very real
and maybe ....... not for real ....... reasons ....... does absolutely
manifest ..... too much of the time in bad ..... and senseless ....
sometimes ..... very chaotic ........ evil behaviors. ..........
When i hear this i think of the Subjunctive...
I know that Peterson means aiming at the higher good by telling the truth, but this idea is just ludicrous and unattainable in reality that we've been placed to be always honest at all times. The thing is that when you encounter a predator (we all do at some point of our lives in various environments) you'll absolutely fall prey to them if you're honest at all times just because you're too predictable. In my opinion lying and deception should be kept up there in our psyche so it's available for use when needed. It's a tool that's supposed to be well managed, just the same way as truth should be handled.
Adrian Lauren simply saying you cannot be fully naive when utilizing deception
He is not saying to be honest with everyone just yourself it’s a matter of adaptability and survivability in this day and age our predators are playing mind games so you must level the playing field or you get eaten, it’s no different than learning how to use tools before only now the tool to learn is the mind
It’s not all about telling the truth, in words exactly. It’s more about living honestly. Integrating the parts of your personality and self that you’ve suppressed your whole life due to feeling like it wasn’t an ideal way to portray yourself. Stop wearing a mask, in other words.
One can and should be honest at all times, however, one does not have to reveal to anyone anything that should not be revealed.
NOELLE It’s nice to see that some people actually get it! Thank you!
I wonder why JP never mentions the atrocities perpetrated by the Japanese in WWII, certainly the quivalent of the archetypal Auschwitz prison guard. Just curious.
Watching this after covid is really daunting.
I feel that we have all been given the greatest excuse to allow our economies to be destroyed and our rights to be taken away.
Indeed covid is an excellent excuse but it is an excuse none the less.
I am facing a lot of darkness in other areas but I truly aim to one day help in rebuilding our confidence as people. We should not be reduced down to just biological vessels that carry and spread death. I feel that everyday now. People looking at each other like they are just wild pests that carry disease.
And we have re education camps being built for trump supporters.
We are in terrifying times and there is no amount of calling it 'unprecidented' that can make it go away.
It's not even about the virus. It's about our willingness to see ourselves a certain way. We are not walking diseases. We are agents of wellness not chaos. Well actually we can be both, but as Jordan says it's a choice. And the choice is made when you decide to look at what we can be rather than what we are being told that we are.
You’re chaos causes chaos
Your
can anyone recomend a good carl ljung book?
Rafael Murta Memories Dreams Reflections- it’s his autobiography
Jung the Mystic : Gary Lachman
Solitary confinement is bad for a soul. Your Ruah gets sad.
Someone's not in a good mood today... ;)
The truth is ;there is no hell in the bible .That word was not even around in biblical times.
He cant get past the idea that other people will live not according to his design of " order" lest there be a flood. Reading the whole Bible helped break me of Xianity, but Peterson knows there is great power in essentially giving a homily to the uneducated. Having met God in a NDE, all this rings shallow.