The round by round, modular structure of boxing scoring means that you can have a really close, competitive fight and have it wide on the cards. It's similar to tennis, but there is no controversy in tennis because points are clear cut. You could have a set where every game goes to 10 deuces, every rally contains 20 plus shots, the set lasts over an hour, but one guy wins 6-0. Same in boxing. Surely the aim of the scoring is just to arrive at the right winner.
Great analogy. I think close fights are hard to score, just look at last weeks fight, most had Usyk winning, but a few in boxing had it a draw. You can have two ex world champions sit together and watch a close fight and they will have different opinions on who won or if it was a draw.
Exactly right. Just because its a close fight doesn't mean anything. One guy HAS to win a round. Even if the fight was super close, that doesn't mean technically all 12 rounds could be won by that fighter who boxed better.
Great point and comparison mate. The fact is based off the judges interpretation of the system and rules means that we will ALWAS have this debate for any close fight we see. Unfortunately.
I am Scottish and I wanted josh to beat catterall but unfortunately catterall was the dominant fighter and definitely won , fair play to him he fought a good fight and deserved the win 👊
I'm Scottish and have just watched it again in mute and last night I had Josh or maybe a draw, today I think It could genuinely went anyway but the scorecard from that judge needs explaining cause it's happening far too much and this is fighter's careers and they are short,Catterall was robbed last time and that win would have changed his life and career more so than last night
How were those scorecards "disgraceful"? Josh was amounting more pressure but his lead hand was terrible tonight he was getting caught with so much. It was not a close fight, yes Josh came back in the second half of the fight but Jack was by far the cleaner and more proficient boxer tonight
111 117 was a bit ridiculous, that's what Bob meant, someone said jacks trainer had said it, & Tony Bellew and others at DAZN commentary even said it, the first fight was in their minds,
Bob is achieving greatness to even be standing in a boxing ring at his age without needing a walking stick aide or carer is remarkable nevermind even grabbing the microphone after a fight and having his own rant live...the man has achieved greatness the geezer is 92 years old...guys 20 years younger than him aren't moving like he does but yes no doubt £100 plus million quid probably helps too 🥊😎
Bob arum came out of no where I didn’t even know he was in leeds today 🤣😭. All in all Great theatre, we need the trilogy… completely up to Jack on the timing of it though
1 catterall 2 catterall 3 catterall (close) 4 catterall 5 catterall 6 catterall 7 taylor 8 taylor (close) 9 catterall (close) 10 taylor (close) 11 catterall 12 taylor How I scored the fight, I felt I had to give a couple of then close rounds to taylor to not seem biased, Catterall battered him
Bob needs a trip to spec savers.I like Josh Taylor, he’s given some fantastic performances over the years but he was well beaten tonight as he was in the first fight. Bob also said Tyson clearly beat Usyk
It might've looked different in the arena. Josh applied pressure, but Catterall was deffensively sound, slipping and catching a lot, while landing much heavier shots.
i dont think it was a close fight. I had it 8-4 for catterall. He landed the eye catching shots and boxed beautifully. Josh taylor gave a good account of himself, but no controversy here.
Catterall's own promoter admitted the cards were way wide; DAZN's house commentary (Tony Bellew et al) agreed the cards were way wide. It was not only Arum.
Exactly how the other fella said his own promoter and his team thought it was a closer fight than the scores showed. I had Jack winning also, but what you’re saying is ridiculous, you clearly are the one who doesn’t know his boxing.
Josh won, the bias and need to right the wrong of first fight is making everyone talk shite. Commentary was going mad for Catterall misses and silent for Taylor hits.
Being Scottish I wanted Taylor to win but to me Catteral won, just not by 9 rounds to 3. I had Catteral winning by 2 maybe 3 rounds, not by 6 😂. The right man won at the end of the day, great fight, would be a good trilogy, just can't see Taylor managing to break him down.
Pretending it wasn’t close or that Catterall dominated Taylor is pure sympathetic tongue rimming. Yeah jack won convincingly at least 7-5 if not 8-4 at best but to say josh only won 3 rounds? What we’re people watching jack looked completely gassed in rounds 8/9/10 and Taylor was taking it to him n Taylor won at least 2 rounds out of the first 7, in my opinion it came down the championship rounds and jack caught Taylor In round 11 hurt him badly and won round 12 as well. At the end of the day the right man won but it wasn’t the cake walk these guys are pretending Catterall punched him self out throwing 6 punch combinations for 6 rounds then Taylor took over
Fatigue from 8-12 made it closer, whenever he let his hands go Taylor had zero answer and worse still for an alleged great fighter 🙄 but if Cattrall doesn’t improve his cardio he ain’t beating any elite at 40
The whole boxing industry needs a shake up. Put monitors in the gloves (It can be done) that measure impacts in a specific and small area of the gloves. Then, let the computer be the judge based upon punches thrown.
Judging needs to be brought into the 21st century! They should be in a soundproof room, on their own watching on tv to get a complete picture of the fight. And scorecards should be shown after EVERY round for full transparency 👍
Not one Taylor highlight shown in the first 6 rounds then only highlights shown from Taylor were 50/50 exchanges. Jack won but it was close. Watch the fights without commentary. Media are outrageous
Cattaralls defence is top drawer. Very hard to hit cleanly which must have frustrated Taylor no end. Very awkward style which led to many head clashes but the right man won regardless of the scoring!
Josh was always pushing the fight but wasn't landing many significant strikes. Jack was connecting and pinging Taylor's head back numerous times. The right man won but a 117-111. Maybe not.
Bobs been in the game longer than you lot have been out of your father's ball bag. Have some respect for the fact that someone in power is finally calling things for what they are.
This narrative about "wide cards" was always gonna happen. It's all just PR to try to rescue Taylor's reputation after the absolute robbery in the first fight. They're trying to claim the same happened here to Taylor, but when you watch the fight back, you can see Taylor barely landed anything of note on Catterall (outside of the couple rounds in which Catterall gassed) and Catterall absolutely battered him.
7-5 to Jack imo. He gassed a little in the middle rounds. But overall he landed the cleaner punches and won the rounds he needed to. Great performance...🙌🏾
Thought it was a cracking fight the right man did win thought them body shots was taking its toll on catterall in the 8th he looked hurt and zapped a little but I think who ever paid to go watch that performance from both guys got they moneys worth
Massive fan of your show, please can you go back and watch fury and usyk and look at the corner man of usyk giving him what looks like an inhaler between rounds 7 and 8, he then comes out a new man
There is no scenario in which Taylor won the first or second fight both where clear wins for Catterall I understand managers,trainers, and fighters being disappointed but just watch the fight back without prejudice it was a good fight with only one winner.
Why are we even taking this seriously?! Look at the reaction to Arum's meltdown to the reaction to AJ's meltdown after Usyk. Arum pathetically threw his toys out the pram and these guys are trying to rationalise it...
It was 5-1 after 6 maybe 4-2 to jack but from there, Taylor took over in a major way, changed the tide of the fight and these people don't even know how to score a fight, the amount of 10 10s they give out flippantly when it is a 10 point MUST system for a kick off
@@eddiel7635 To who lol, that was never a 9 round to 3 fight to either fighter the 1st fight would have fitted last nights scores better and vice versa
Arum still feeling the fury loss🤣🤣🤣
Poor thing 😂
Spot on!
Because you never get ridiculous biased judging in the US!
It wasn't biased, Catterall dominated the fight
Bob is the Biden of boxing
@@WalterSobchak1000 I couldn't agree more I'm just saying Arum trying to insinuate that the UK are biased hello kettle this is pot!
Wilder fury 1
I was being sarcastic!
The round by round, modular structure of boxing scoring means that you can have a really close, competitive fight and have it wide on the cards. It's similar to tennis, but there is no controversy in tennis because points are clear cut. You could have a set where every game goes to 10 deuces, every rally contains 20 plus shots, the set lasts over an hour, but one guy wins 6-0. Same in boxing. Surely the aim of the scoring is just to arrive at the right winner.
Great analogy. I think close fights are hard to score, just look at last weeks fight, most had Usyk winning, but a few in boxing had it a draw. You can have two ex world champions sit together and watch a close fight and they will have different opinions on who won or if it was a draw.
Exactly right. Just because its a close fight doesn't mean anything. One guy HAS to win a round. Even if the fight was super close, that doesn't mean technically all 12 rounds could be won by that fighter who boxed better.
Great point and comparison mate. The fact is based off the judges interpretation of the system and rules means that we will ALWAS have this debate for any close fight we see. Unfortunately.
@@symbolitical4158you can have 10-10 rounds and one judge had round 6 this way for this fight
Excellently put.
How would Arum even know, he was asleep for half of it according to people sat next to him 😂😂 What a shithouse.
The man is 92, see what you look like at that age
Being 92 didn't stop him getting into the ring. He should have saved his comments for a media interview not shadow a clear victory by Catterall.
@@ncgc he’s playing pantomime villain, the man has been promoting since the Ali era, he knows jack won, he’s on a wind up.
I hear what you saying but it wasn't needed. I thought it was unfair on jack
I had jack winning but wasnt clear by any means@ncgc
Arum was ok with bbboc for the first fight tho
My thoughts exactly when it suits hey
I am Scottish and I wanted josh to beat catterall but unfortunately catterall was the dominant fighter and definitely won , fair play to him he fought a good fight and deserved the win 👊
Fair play buddy 👍🏾💯
Walloper
Disgrace that Catterall didn’t win the first fight
I agree with you
I'm Scottish and have just watched it again in mute and last night I had Josh or maybe a draw, today I think It could genuinely went anyway but the scorecard from that judge needs explaining cause it's happening far too much and this is fighter's careers and they are short,Catterall was robbed last time and that win would have changed his life and career more so than last night
Regardless of who you think won this fight its about time the judging starts to be held accountable!
How were those scorecards "disgraceful"? Josh was amounting more pressure but his lead hand was terrible tonight he was getting caught with so much. It was not a close fight, yes Josh came back in the second half of the fight but Jack was by far the cleaner and more proficient boxer tonight
Absolutely brainless
Was horrible no way he won 9 rounds I had him winning but by no more than 2
You don’t have a clue
117-111 is joke
George just sat there on his phone 😂😂
It's for work purposes 😂
Sending nudes.
Do you see them things on his head? Called earphones he can still listen 😂
He's checking twitter for other opinions
Bob Arum should Retire
Okay maybe the scores was a bit high
But the right boxer won
George txing Froch confirming the attendance of there last fight at Wembley 😂
They are collecting the ticket stubs
Hes been in boxing a 107 yrs he can do what he wants 😂
Yep he gets a pass for being on this earth near a damn century
And never taken a single punch 😀
He’s the Biden of boxing. Not long left now the coffin dodger
Dinosaur years
No he can't fuq bob he's full of 💩 nobody listens to him.
Old fartbag was asleep during the fight.
Bob Arum fell asleep at ringside, this is not a joke, he literally did
But "Bob the blunt builder" Prince Naseem style somersaulted over the ropes into that ring tonight 😂
Bob Biden of boxing
@@bear1245 Sleepy Joe and Senile Bob, an American dream team.
@@VincentBlackLightning a crippled nation. The plighted states of hysteria. Coffin dodger heaven
111 117 was a bit ridiculous, that's what Bob meant, someone said jacks trainer had said it, & Tony Bellew and others at DAZN commentary even said it, the first fight was in their minds,
I agree totally with your statement. I’m no expert but I had jack winning by 3 rounds and was a Jack fan
Bob father forgot his wacky Backy 😂
George groves is a top analyst
Bob is achieving greatness to even be standing in a boxing ring at his age without needing a walking stick aide or carer is remarkable nevermind even grabbing the microphone after a fight and having his own rant live...the man has achieved greatness the geezer is 92 years old...guys 20 years younger than him aren't moving like he does but yes no doubt £100 plus million quid probably helps too 🥊😎
Let himself down though, just show some humility, his fighters don't have the right to win every fight
@@paulcrossley1366 Yes unfortunately ego gets the better of people in something like boxing
I think you need to multiply your amount by about 5
@@teamfergusonboxing5830 yeah hence I said plus lol no doubt its more than that Bobs a former tax lawyer!
Bob arum came out of no where I didn’t even know he was in leeds today 🤣😭.
All in all Great theatre, we need the trilogy… completely up to Jack on the timing of it though
Bob jumped in the ring quick
Seems Bob Arum is till angry with the Fury/Usyk result.
I mean is crazy that we might not get the big fights in Britain again
We don’t anyway. SArabia Js stolen boxing. That Fury fight should’ve been in the UK. Bob hasn’t got long left the coffin dodger..
Groves called Usyk and he’s right here. He knows boxing. Arum still upset Fury got battered.
1 catterall
2 catterall
3 catterall (close)
4 catterall
5 catterall
6 catterall
7 taylor
8 taylor (close)
9 catterall (close)
10 taylor (close)
11 catterall
12 taylor
How I scored the fight, I felt I had to give a couple of then close rounds to taylor to not seem biased, Catterall battered him
There’s no way that was 111-117 even Eddie Hearn admitted that.
It was if you actually understand scoring
Bob arum is spot on.. what planet is that a 9 3 fight 😂😂😂😂
Wake up, Jack won it by a country mile, what fight were you watching?
Might have been wide by a couple of points but disgraceful😂? Disgraceful is dominating and not getting a win like in the first fight. Get a grip
Facts
Bob is the Biden of boxing 😂
But Arum said Josh won, how was that spot on?
Bob needs a trip to spec savers.I like Josh Taylor, he’s given some fantastic performances over the years but he was well beaten tonight as he was in the first fight. Bob also said Tyson clearly beat Usyk
The commentary goes quiet when Taylor was on top lol
It might've looked different in the arena. Josh applied pressure, but Catterall was deffensively sound, slipping and catching a lot, while landing much heavier shots.
Bob was talking about the first fight 🤔
Is Bob up with the online clicks?! Not bad at 92
Bobs a funny ole Boy ❤
i dont think it was a close fight. I had it 8-4 for catterall. He landed the eye catching shots and boxed beautifully. Josh taylor gave a good account of himself, but no controversy here.
If you had anything other than a comfy Jack Catterall win tonight then I’m afraid you don’t know your boxing.
I had jack clearly winning the 1st fight🤣
@@HYP3RSNIP3RYeah at least they didn’t rob him tonight.
If bob arum had his way he would have been robbed again
Catterall's own promoter admitted the cards were way wide; DAZN's house commentary (Tony Bellew et al) agreed the cards were way wide. It was not only Arum.
Exactly how the other fella said his own promoter and his team thought it was a closer fight than the scores showed. I had Jack winning also, but what you’re saying is ridiculous, you clearly are the one who doesn’t know his boxing.
Bob arum is spot on cards was wide close fight jack just nicked it my opinion
Bob is the Biden of Boxing 😂
Someone should ask him about ice cream
2-0 jack!
And no titles to show for it.
Bob Arum the greatest promoter in boxing history, man promoted Thrilla in a Manilla. He comes from a different era, he tells it bluntly
I agreed with Bob Arum it was a lot closer than judges made it. Jack nipped it but let Josh back in and closed the gap making it very close.
I had josh taylor winning complete robbery for us welsh fans supporting our Irishman
😆👏
You speaking double Dutch?
The judges, for once, were spot on. I had it anywhere from 118 - 110 or 117 - 111 in favour of Catterall!
117-111 was way too big for me but round by round sometimes you are surprised
There were 2 winners in that fight. Jack and all boxing fans ❤
Spot on from the judges. Chorley is proud!! Shut up Bob Top Rank is fading bye bye
I saw it the EXACT same as that Oliver no lie. It was an EASY masterclass again from the undisputed brit! To leave no doubt.
A by everyone shocked😆 it was easy for catterall again.
Josh won, the bias and need to right the wrong of first fight is making everyone talk shite. Commentary was going mad for Catterall misses and silent for Taylor hits.
Being Scottish I wanted Taylor to win but to me Catteral won, just not by 9 rounds to 3. I had Catteral winning by 2 maybe 3 rounds, not by 6 😂. The right man won at the end of the day, great fight, would be a good trilogy, just can't see Taylor managing to break him down.
Bobs 2000 years old… it’s beginning to show
Telling the truth!!!
Pretending it wasn’t close or that Catterall dominated Taylor is pure sympathetic tongue rimming. Yeah jack won convincingly at least 7-5 if not 8-4 at best but to say josh only won 3 rounds? What we’re people watching jack looked completely gassed in rounds 8/9/10 and Taylor was taking it to him n Taylor won at least 2 rounds out of the first 7, in my opinion it came down the championship rounds and jack caught Taylor In round 11 hurt him badly and won round 12 as well. At the end of the day the right man won but it wasn’t the cake walk these guys are pretending Catterall punched him self out throwing 6 punch combinations for 6 rounds then Taylor took over
Maybe it’s you that needs to learn how to score
@@Partoftheratpack so does Andy Lee and Tony bellew also need to learn how to score you absolute wombat
I had it 7-5 and I’m a certified boxing genius.
Fatigue from 8-12 made it closer, whenever he let his hands go Taylor had zero answer and worse still for an alleged great fighter 🙄 but if Cattrall doesn’t improve his cardio he ain’t beating any elite at 40
Does Bob do that after American bouts as well?
To give the first 6 yo catterral is insane ..
No it's not I scored it 5 1 as many did and even the 1was subjective
I had £100 on Taylor mate, definitely think Catterall was 5-1, maybe 4-2. Catterall definitely won the fight.
The whole boxing industry needs a shake up. Put monitors in the gloves (It can be done) that measure impacts in a specific and small area of the gloves. Then, let the computer be the judge based upon punches thrown.
@Yiealo6372jdhow does that work if the opponent is blocking punches constantly. The gloves would still register a punch landing!
Judging needs to be brought into the 21st century! They should be in a soundproof room, on their own watching on tv to get a complete picture of the fight. And scorecards should be shown after EVERY round for full transparency 👍
Ian John Lewis is now a BKB ref.
TBF he's 100 years old and said earlier that tyson v fury is an incredible fight......
if my grandad said that i'd just smile and let it go lol
Not one Taylor highlight shown in the first 6 rounds then only highlights shown from Taylor were 50/50 exchanges. Jack won but it was close. Watch the fights without commentary. Media are outrageous
Jack beat him the first time, just done it again like he said he would.
I had it 5-1 to Catterall after 6. Then gave the next 4 to Taylor. 11 and 12 to Catterall. 115-113
Jack resembles an old school fighter. His style resembles Archie Moore. Charley Burley and Ezrard Charles. Deceptively good and hard to beat.
Apparently bob was on about the fury usyk scorecard . He was just confused
Cattaralls defence is top drawer. Very hard to hit cleanly which must have frustrated Taylor no end. Very awkward style which led to many head clashes but the right man won regardless of the scoring!
The right fighter won - but those of you saying those score cards were a true reflection of the fight need to give your heads a wobble
Bob is right what you lot talking about ??? Score cards are a joke
He thought Loma beat Haney too 😭😭😭😭
I don't know how George can sit there listening to those clowns scoring that fight
The other guy is a boxer
Bob is 93 to be fair
Aside George Groves, Talk Sport need to change their boxing presenters and pundits.
Jack won easily taylor not got it anymore. Well done jack
Where peoples minds are at 🤣 we have eyes mate 👀
3 english judges bob was 100%correct on the score cards but jack deserves the win
Jack won both times so glad he got his revenge 💪🏼
7 - 5 Catterall. Taylor 100% won rounds 2 & 3
Absolutley agree
He got his head boxed off in round 2, Taylor had 2 flurry’s and the first bounced of Jacks gloves??
Shithouse.
Spot on 👍. Catterall definitely the winner but rounds 2 and 3 where Taylor's.
If u think taylor won those rounds..u have no idea what a scoring blow is..and I do as a ex judge..clueless
Josh was always pushing the fight but wasn't landing many significant strikes. Jack was connecting and pinging Taylor's head back numerous times. The right man won but a 117-111. Maybe not.
Bobs been in the game longer than you lot have been out of your father's ball bag.
Have some respect for the fact that someone in power is finally calling things for what they are.
This narrative about "wide cards" was always gonna happen. It's all just PR to try to rescue Taylor's reputation after the absolute robbery in the first fight. They're trying to claim the same happened here to Taylor, but when you watch the fight back, you can see Taylor barely landed anything of note on Catterall (outside of the couple rounds in which Catterall gassed) and Catterall absolutely battered him.
Commentary from dazn was a disgrace. Banging on about Josh’s pace… pace isn’t scored higher than punches in boxing.
It's not like the USA ever have dodgy score cards!
Dazn commentary was one sided and embarrassing
7-5 to Jack imo. He gassed a little in the middle rounds. But overall he landed the cleaner punches and won the rounds he needed to. Great performance...🙌🏾
Fans on boxrec counted 116-112 in favour of Jack… I didn’t hear the similar claim from Arum in case of Lomo vs Haney… 93 y.o…. dementia I’m afraid…
I watched it as most did and Catterall won hands down
Playing bob so they can check phones on what to think and say
Either way it shows cateralls level, he gets absolutely dominated on the world level.
Bob likes whiskey apparently
Arum was already mentally wrecked from the Fury v Usyk fight lol
Bellew had it a draw for catterall enuff said
When did George Groves react exactly? 😂😂
Bob ain’t bringing his fighters over here because weeds to dear 😂😂
Thought it was a cracking fight the right man did win thought them body shots was taking its toll on catterall in the 8th he looked hurt and zapped a little but I think who ever paid to go watch that performance from both guys got they moneys worth
Massive fan of your show, please can you go back and watch fury and usyk and look at the corner man of usyk giving him what looks like an inhaler between rounds 7 and 8, he then comes out a new man
Bob is literally approaching 100 years old, if anyone can be excused its him!
*Crazy Old SloMo Bob* 🤡🤪🥸
Madness people complaining about this the scoring was absoultely smack on the money this time around. Taylor threw and missed more often and not
There is no scenario in which Taylor won the first or second fight both where clear wins for Catterall I understand managers,trainers, and fighters being disappointed but just watch the fight back without prejudice it was a good fight with only one winner.
Josh would have won 11 and 12 but he took the fewer but heavier shots. If he moved his head off the line after throwing it would have been closer
People in their 90’s aren’t giving a monkeys what others think. They’ll say what they want
8~4 for me personally
Why are we even taking this seriously?! Look at the reaction to Arum's meltdown to the reaction to AJ's meltdown after Usyk. Arum pathetically threw his toys out the pram and these guys are trying to rationalise it...
8-4 Jack and that’s being nice
It was 5-1 after 6 maybe 4-2 to jack but from there, Taylor took over in a major way, changed the tide of the fight and these people don't even know how to score a fight, the amount of 10 10s they give out flippantly when it is a 10 point MUST system for a kick off
I had 9-3
same 9-3
@@eddiel7635 To who lol, that was never a 9 round to 3 fight to either fighter
the 1st fight would have fitted last nights scores better and vice versa