Excellent! In 1984, nobody imagined that the USSR would crumble in 7 years or that the two Germanys would reunite. Today, it's unthinkable that the two Koreas will unite or that peace will arrive in Israel/Palestine. However, the "unthinkable" often happens in short order in history, so bitter rivals will become best buddies. Today, the Vietnamese have a better opinion of the USA than China. Who would have imagined that in 1975?
@@dxelson Wrong, lots of people fantasize about that daily hence why a movie was recently made and endless articles about the subject. Doesn’t mean it’ll happen though 🤪
@@DietmarEugenmost nations only form alliances just to counter common enemies.......Like NATO for an example was formed in case Russia's aggression occurred......
@@AL-lh2ht If that’s true than why does America have a law allowing them to illegally invade The Netherlands (NATO ally) if any U.S. citizen is arrested by the ICC?
I think the US and China are frenemies. They have lots of disagreements, and they don't necessarily like each other that much, but they like each other enough to do business with one another. This isn't like Russia or Iran, where there is full fledged animosity between the two. Of course, I am talking about the governments, not the people. I think American and Chinese people are actually quite cordial, if not overtly friendly, with one another.
I can only speak for myself, but I'm a 28 year old American and I do not trust any Chinese people who aren't actively trying to leave their country. We only do business with China out of necessity but I hope we can rely on them less and less as the years go on
@komrad1983 The US makes that money out of thin air, and in return, you work your crap 9 9 6 job for a pittance, making things for the West. It seems more like your country sold its people for use as cheap labour.
They won't do business when China runs out of workers due to aging demographics and can't make all our stuff for us anymore. China will collapse, but like Russia, they won't go down without a fight first
@@WilliamSanderson86you are correct, but I think that’s more due to shared culture. Though US is allies with other countries they’re still stand off ish like that outer ring of friends. This is like US and Japan Germany France and other Europeans. Like better friends than others but US still do espionage wars and financial conflicts more than then their Anglo Saxon friends
@@WilliamSanderson86 The five eyes alliance is truly one of the strongest about. Even if there are slight disagreements. We are effectively one big family.
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The US got into WW2 because japan bombed pearl harbor. and german declared war on the US. Before then it was not clear the US was going to enter the war. in fact much of both politicians and civilians did not want to enter the war. This level of extreme historical revisionism because fan faction and straight lies. trying to create a world view and restructuring the past to fit this world view.
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In the 90s, the US was scared that the Japanese economy was going to explode and make the US irrelevant. AFAIK, the US wasn't making war plans or containment strategies, and and instead saw domestic protectionism as the solution to that problem.
@@kylesosa3562 Really? I'm so sick and tired of this tripe. Japan is not occupied by the U.S. and neither is the U.S. Japan could decide to develop nuclear weapons and the United States couldn't do a damn thing about it except complain. What planet are you on that you think the U.S. has ANY "veto" on any decision Japan makes about anything at all, except for diplomatic pressure? Really, grow up.
@@mygoatisdead Please look up the Plaza Accords. This is written into the constitution of Japan and essentially gives the US the ability to wage war (military operations) and curtail companies within Japan. Hencewhy the collapse of the post 1980s was not by choice but by design as the USA triggered this accord to curtail Japanese economic development. One key aspect is the release of all seminconductor patent technology by Japanese firms which destroyed Japanese IP protections. Please don't be sick of the reality. This is reality. It may make you feel uncomfortable but don't shy away from it. The USA is now worried about Chinese (and later Indian) economic rises and the possible rise of many other major players around the globe. More protectionist and containment strategies will be seen, however the US does not have a post-WW2 structure to contain or torpedo these economies. All it can do is try and likely fail.
@@joemosely9383 It's been a consiistent ally for almost a hundred years, works to keep oil price consistent, ally against Iran which funds most of the terrorism in the middle east, buy a massive amount of weapons, tech, and culture from the US, etc etc etc.
no need to cooperate - just ea stay home - world was fine - like before european ever came to asia n colonizing forever - immigrate back home to origin - the only way
The competition between the United States and China is simply a competition for resources. The world's annual economic output is like a cake on a table, and China is eating faster and faster. The cake is so small, and the more China eats, the less Americans eat. This is reflected in the expansion of China's industrial manufacturing and industrial upgrading. So the United States wants to stop China, that is, to impose technological sanctions and suppression on China, so that China will eat slower and less. China and the United States are now in a competitive relationship, so it is difficult to be friends again.
Machiavelli actually advises against this, since he observed this sort of thinking got states eliminated. Machiavelli said it is far better to keep your alliances, because people remember betrayal, and he often saw states which abandoned their weaker allies later needed their allies' help (which of course, would never come. Because the betrayal was sorely remembered). A good example would be Austria abandoning Russia in the Crimean War, with the mindset that "well it's not in our interests to get dragged into a war with the English and French over a matter that doesn't concern us." When Italy and Prussia started seizing Italian/German land from Austria, in the end Austria found no help from Britain, France or Russia. A similar experience is had when America's foreign policy was focused around "no friends/enemies, only interests." When America threatened France and Britain over the suez crisis, in order to gain Arab allies, they lost their French and British alliances for the Vietnam war. But at least they got all these Arab allies? Except in the name of defending their interests, they supported Israel, losing their Arab alliances. You can see this pattern repeating over and over again to the 21st century with the USA funding the freedom fighters, then cutting support for them, then the "freedom fighters" become anti-American terrorists. If you have no permanent friends, you have no basis upon which others can trust you, eventually everyone becomes your enemy. It is a fundamentally unsustainable foreign policy
@@noaccount4 Machiavelli wasn't a particularly insightful philosopher. His recommendations are really only appropriate to a very limited set of circumstances, and were designed for improving the condition of minor princes and relatively unimportant principalities. Almost nothing he wrote is valuable for a major global power.
The United States has been a country for only 200 years, with only 16 years without war. Now, Western media is using the same tactics to slander China as they did to slander the Soviet Union. They are afraid that communism will destroy the so-called democracy and freedom that they have, and that this democracy and freedom is nothing more than war, plunder, and colonization. Remember that the current US government's financial strength is obtained by drinking the blood of those who died in wars. However, some Westerners may think that this is true freedom, which is truly pitiful.
One of the most tragic things in 20th century history, is probably after 1949 , America and china are not allies anymore, after fighting a world war as allies together. And don't say it is because of china itself decided so, look who was the neighbor in the north at that time, and what changed.
@@joemosely9383 Practically all economies in Asia are state-run to varying degrees. Taiwanese corporations like TSMC were initially state-led projects before privatization. Korean development was mainly led by Park Chung Hee assigning families as "national champions" of various industries and giving them all the money they needed to develop. The US"s closest ally in SE Asia, Singapore (only country in the region that can use F-35), has 30% of their economy run by the state which is similar to the PRC's proportionally, and all their citizens live in state-run public housing like the USSR. Even Japan is a one party state. Opposition parties in Japan have only been in power for 4 years since WW2 which is a pretty bad record for a democracy. Communist Vietnam is also now an American ally. Almost all our allies in the Middle East have state-ran and planned economies by various royal families. The only thing America cares about is interest. It happens that China is bullying countries like Japan and Vietnam with territorial disputes so these countries use America for protection instead.
China has the same problem Japan did in the first half of the 20th Century: They started late, and they want a real empire like the big boys. To get it, they will fight for it (or use political geopolitical maneuvers for the same). Doing that means taking from somebody else, whether it is simply influence or actual territory. Whether they succeed or not will depend on how well existing powers counter them. Or to put another way, in the words of US President Richard Nixon: *"I wish to establish a winner image. Therefore it is necessary for me to beat somebody."*
Friends? By most standards, they're already great friends, they're incredibly reliant on each other for trade. When that stops being the case, then we can start asking when they'll be back to trade. Ultimately it becomes a question of whether Americans value freedom over income, and whether the Chinese people value political and military grandstanding over good sense.
Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Philippines are all US junior allies Thailand may not be a junior ally, they don’t target China that much USA is the senior ally
America joined WWII because it was attacked by Japan and Germany declared war on the U.S. Thank you for this video, it provides a different point of view than most the current thinking on US/China and an optimistic one as well.
Power abhors rivals. A lot of the USA's diplomacy in Europe has been about preventing it from becoming powerful enough to challenge them. Only way USA and China settle things peacefully is of one side becomes significantly weaker or a significantly more powerful entity forces it.
Yea the only Chinese government that would be willing to be allies with America would be the ROC, and even then I’m sure overtime they would try to push America into a junior position.
@@kingpalafox1045 Nah mang, China is admirable as a culture. the xixipee destroyed most of it, but the common Chinese person is cool. Also, they are responsible for a lot of innovation, imagine Taiwan but on the size of China, we would all benefit from genuine cooperation. The xixipee makes this impossible though, that's the real issue
Even if China suddenly turns democratic, I'm pretty sure that it will still challenge the US because when you are the 2nd best, you don't want to be in the shadow of the king forever so naturally you will have to try to take the throne sooner or later. I don't say that China will try to topple the US as the world's hegemon and demolish their 800+ bases all around the world, but they will make sure that the US are out of their "backyard" (basically most part of the eastern hemisphere).
Much useful food for thought in this video, but it is worth remembering that Japan became an American ally after the post-WWII occupation rebuilt the country politically and socially, almost from the ground-up. It's an extraordinary case. That being said, I don't think that China and the US are inherently enemies or even rivals. The US was perfectly happy to support Nationalist China against the Japanese. The obstacle is the CCP - its ideology and its ruthless exploitation of nationalist sentiment to stay in power. However, the CCP is in a state of terminal decline, as it seems to have no effective answers to China's terrible problems. If Sun Yat-sen can somehow return from the grave and shape a more Western-facing post-CCP China, then friendship and cooperation between China and the US is quite possible.
your first sentence only makes sense if you think history started with WW2. US and japan was allys and massivly helped japan modernized. japan and US only got into conflict when japan became a death cult military junta for a bit.
Well the problem is that china is communist and a treat to their interest. If china were a fascist military dictatorship usa would be their best friends lmao
The obstacle is Belt and Road Initiative and US being stupid enough to expand NATO's push to the east with Ukraine, ultimately converting Russia and China into bfs. Now, we will see Xi's globalization. Saying that China is in "decline" is really laughable, during the present century all it has done is growing and the only issues that faced were not being able to export all the commodities they wished during financial crisis periods of Western countries or being blocked and not eligible to buy foreign bonds. You might be living in another world, probably American world.
US and communst China became 'friends' in the past due to the US-USSR-China strategic triangle, but today there is no 3rd member of the triangle for the two countries to work together against. China also seeks to undermine both the sovereignty of its neighbors and norms of political freedom and human rights internationally. Only economic cooperation has some attractiveness, but that too is a poisoned chalice because it leads to technological theft asymmetric growth that favors China. Overall, there is no value seeking cooperation. Indeed, if the CCP regime is unwilling to respect neighboring borders and human beings' basic rights, then there is instead value in actively seeking to curb and undermine both them and the state they have parasitized.
In accordance with the Competitive Exclusion Principle: "Two -species- great powers cannot indefinitely coexist occupying the same niche" -Ecology 101.
I would argue that the US is less in love with "zero sum" geopolitics. The post-WW2 Western order always explicitly left plenty of power and room to succeed for other powers...in a peaceful context. It was why we set up the UN, and sometimes sided against our closer European allies in favor of new post-colonial countries. The red line was (mostly) powers or conflicts that threatened the whole system, such as Iraq in 1991, or Korea in 1950.
@@MM22966 It is demonstrably false given the 80% of wars launched being done by the US on entities that were not against the USA. This is why everyone else hates us. It's the lies and the foreign interference
I caught that too. Like, I may be an American, but I don’t remember France and Britain being at war against each other in 1905, or fighting a war in *Crimea* decades later.
i caught that too. i mention it only to offer constrictive criticism, not place blame. reading a script into the Mike is not exactly easy. easy would be to have some lifeless AI read the script and produce the words. Please do not do that, we would all be worse off for it.
It’s just a standard Mercator projection. There’s no such thing as an accurate map. You can’t project the surface of a sphere onto a 2d rectangle and not get distortions. Grow up.
Big fan of the channel! While the US was certainly contemplating and preparing for action in World War 2, it's entry was definitely forced by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Still an excellent video, keep up the good work
No. Mazarr may be too optimistic on the prospects of change, though I do appreciate his cautious stance on 'victory' over China. CCP members and their families benefit too much from that power structure to want it to end. A democratic system would likely end their wealth and seek restitution or punishment.
If there was a world war I suspect Russia and China will break apart into different countries. I.e. a siberian state or a Uighur one, Tibet etc. However, the demographic losses will set back all involved. Thats probably why the West is allowing mass illegal migration though they I dont think anticipated the lack of assimilation.
8:40 I don't think that it's quite this cold and calculating. I think that there was also a cultural aspect. Those guys are a lot more like us than the people they're facing. We got to help the people that are like us
We were only friends for a tiny percentage of the time that we have had any relationship. The question that you use for a title is at the very least somewhat misleading.
Like Russia in the way of its western and southern borders, China sees it's Pacific region as its sphere of influence. Unfortunately for China, many of the countries in the area are in military alliances with the US. This will always place a strain on the relationship with the US in the same way that NATO is a natural barrier to better relations with Russia.
The key is to remember that the emotional messages that get populations riles up are not the same things people who actually wield power care about, and when you have power, shaping public opinion is not hard. When you strip away the nationalism and rhetoric that gets public support, .. you can cut to what the leadership actually values, and there really isn't anything intractable there. All the US really wants is 'investment oppurtunity'.. make it easy for wealthy americans to get a slice of the chinese economy, and everything else melts away (just look at Russia for an example of how that played out). China is more in a cult of personality situation.. the leadership wants to stay in power but are sitting on a demographic time bomb and there is no clear way out of it right now, so hard to say what the US could give them in return...
As for the current news, if Trump takes office, he will give up Taiwan in exchange for ChiMa's help. But ChiMa may not accept the offer. Because the same can be done after US crashes
Nope, China was supposed to abandon their totalitarian ways when their economy improved and they engaged in trade with the world. Instead they tried to use the leverage they thought they had to dominate. China is toast
@@mr.x817 no one will do another J6, all his thugs are in jail. Now he’s not in power so he can’t delay security to stop his thugs. Meanwhile China doesn’t have enough food to feed its people and 70% of Chinese people live on less than $1 per day. Pathetic
The idea of a powerful nation-state with a strong government, strong ethnic identity, and robust economy is anathema to the U.S. and its system. They can never be friends.
@@altus3278 If the news is we're already trading, I know. I want 'made in china' to become a relic of the past, and for us to move on different, more fair partners.
@@cortster12 what do you even call “more fair?” Do you think the Chinese built your iPhone sweatshop themselves? No they didn’t, we (the west) constructed them, we exploited their developing economy and now they are biting us back in the arse. Do you think the problem will solve itself if we move the iPhone production to another country like Vietnam? It’s just a question of time before their economy also catches up and their regime will also start bothering us. Cheap manufacturing prices and democracy do not go hand in hand, it’s either one or the other (or neither).
@@cortster12 Who would you consider "more fair partners"? Who do you think funded the factory in china that built your phone? It was us (the west) who moved the production to China and other developing Asian countries because it is cheap. Now that China is biting us back where do you want to move production? Many companies are already moving the production to Vietnam, as it is less developed and even cheaper to produce there, but it is only a question of time before their regime will bite us back too. The truth is that cheap manufacturing and democracy can't really coexist; it's either one or the other (or neither). That has been historically true and it will likely stay that way in our current lifetime.
The United States always 2 steps ahead of China. Just look at the tentacles or attack dogs of USA in the pacific: S. Korea, Philippines, Japan, Taiwan and dont forget the Aussies.
You talk about The US trying to ‘persuade’ China as if it was a dovish and peaceful actor. In fact the US effectively declared war the day it bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1995. I don’t know if such an important omission is meant to mislead viewers or because you ‘just didn’t know’ but you could also have added further perspective in your analysis, especially when quoting some of the authors’ claims about the US having values of Freedom and Human Rights when - in fact- the US has supported Dictarial Regimes in Chile, Peru, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Many others…and is does not promote Human Rights in Gaza. This is about Power and Resources and Talk of values is merely War Propaganda Speak.
*cough* Hong Kong *cough* South China Sea *cough* Taiwan *cough* Xinjiang *cough* Tibet *cough* Ryuku Islands *cough* Senkaku Islands *cough* India border incursions *cough* illegal villages in Bhutan
A democratic/western liberal China would be so powerful, ,,teaming up" with the US. It definitely has potential, but I think it could only come if the CCP and it's system were to collapse like how the Soviet Union did. That remains to be seen, but sure thing is that China demographic and economic problems and the possible Taiwan conflict pose a significant threat. I can imagine a world where these problems lead to the collapse of the CCP. But I also think the US should step up then avoid the mistakes with post-soviet Russia, because that in the long-term turned out to be a pretty big headache. So I definitely see potential for China in the future, maybe much more as in a European Federation or a democractic Russia emerging as a new, strong but friendly partner for the USA.
By nature, they're ideologically meant to oppose each other. However, it's up to them how to treat each other. The US has a history of bullying so it's no surprise the relationship is what it is now.
I have utter contempt for the idea of the US being "friends" with Mainland China under the grip of the CCP. When Mainland China is free of the CCP things will change.
@@dominuslogik484 The problem is the ROC is trying to break free form the one-china policy. Taiwan no longer sees themselves as Chinese, but Taiwanese. The KMT or the Chinese nationalist party still supports the one-china policy and still wants to reunify with the mainland, while the DPP wants to push more towards the creation of a Taiwanese identity because they no longer see Taiwan as Chinese culturally.
It takes a lot more than that... Your products should be cheaper and there is no way happening with all costs and taxes in USA. Also, the world needs to buy your products and there is no way happening as your country weaponizes each and every single thing then. Above all, ain't no way those corporate riches will have to take some cuts and profits.... So basicslly NO
@@baneofbanes the entire world buys crap made in china. prior to china's cheap manufacturing, people weren't used to changing stuff for newer models every year, shopping for clothes every season or weekend, and so on.
@@seg5820 Not really. The US cut off all aid to the ROC by 1946 and didn't bother with them until the First Taiwan Strait Crisis. The era of ROC rule in Taiwan until 1990 is known locally as the "White Terror" due to the brutality and corruption of the KMT regime; they had their own version of Tiananmen Square called the February 28 incident. But now the ROC doesn't want to stick to the one-china policy and sees itself as a distinct Taiwanese state, instead of a "Republic of China."
Excellent! In 1984, nobody imagined that the USSR would crumble in 7 years or that the two Germanys would reunite.
Today, it's unthinkable that the two Koreas will unite or that peace will arrive in Israel/Palestine.
However, the "unthinkable" often happens in short order in history, so bitter rivals will become best buddies.
Today, the Vietnamese have a better opinion of the USA than China. Who would have imagined that in 1975?
Well the Vietnamese and Chinese are old rivals and they did go to war in 79 so it wouldn't have been an outrageous idea back then.
No one imagines the US will fall into a civil war too 😂
@@dxelson Wrong, lots of people fantasize about that daily hence why a movie was recently made and endless articles about the subject. Doesn’t mean it’ll happen though 🤪
@BLBeard yes, but China and Vietnam were buddies 1965-1975
Well counting the fact the isreal's government has said as much it will never do a 2 state solution idk about that.
nation states don't have friends, they have interests...
buddy, nations do actually have values besides "fuck you got mine" realpoltik nonsense
@@AL-lh2ht Yet they aren't "friends", they are contract partners.
Normal nations like China and the US value interests far more than values, despite what they might say about "Democracy," or "Communism."
@@DietmarEugenmost nations only form alliances just to counter common enemies.......Like NATO for an example was formed in case Russia's aggression occurred......
@@AL-lh2ht If that’s true than why does America have a law allowing them to illegally invade The Netherlands (NATO ally) if any U.S. citizen is arrested by the ICC?
Ex CIA director said that US needs to INCREASE friction between US and China as much as possible, so no
Because Chinas ambitious is to dominate the world and dethrone the US through economic colonialism or what they call it dept traps.......
Who takes advices from the CIA. They don’t do anything but start coup and war in foreign nations nothing elss
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I think the US and China are frenemies. They have lots of disagreements, and they don't necessarily like each other that much, but they like each other enough to do business with one another. This isn't like Russia or Iran, where there is full fledged animosity between the two.
Of course, I am talking about the governments, not the people. I think American and Chinese people are actually quite cordial, if not overtly friendly, with one another.
I can only speak for myself, but I'm a 28 year old American and I do not trust any Chinese people who aren't actively trying to leave their country. We only do business with China out of necessity but I hope we can rely on them less and less as the years go on
U just described every country relations
Man, please! We have a half of white house money in China. Us is sold already
@komrad1983 The US makes that money out of thin air, and in return, you work your crap 9 9 6 job for a pittance, making things for the West. It seems more like your country sold its people for use as cheap labour.
They won't do business when China runs out of workers due to aging demographics and can't make all our stuff for us anymore. China will collapse, but like Russia, they won't go down without a fight first
There are no "friends" in international relationships, only people with common interests.
@@WilliamSanderson86you are correct, but I think that’s more due to shared culture. Though US is allies with other countries they’re still stand off ish like that outer ring of friends. This is like US and Japan Germany France and other Europeans. Like better friends than others but US still do espionage wars and financial conflicts more than then their Anglo Saxon friends
@@WilliamSanderson86 The five eyes alliance is truly one of the strongest about. Even if there are slight disagreements. We are effectively one big family.
America has its own interests, and US junior allies try to protect US strategic interests
@@WilliamSanderson86 请问你觉得这五个国家处于平等关系么？
We should all be friends all across the world. I love all humans. If we all love each other then why not all humanity become friends
The problem is China vs. Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam.
China is the only problem.
The Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan etc none of them want to annex other's territories, only China does.
Sounds similar like Russia vs. Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus, Armenia, Azerbaijan... Baltics, Poland...
India 👀
Taiwan?
@@veebee69 Not really vs. Armenia..
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The US got into WW2 because japan bombed pearl harbor. and german declared war on the US. Before then it was not clear the US was going to enter the war. in fact much of both politicians and civilians did not want to enter the war. This level of extreme historical revisionism because fan faction and straight lies. trying to create a world view and restructuring the past to fit this world view.
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Your videos take a decisively pro-US position. Learn to add more balance and try to incorporate or understand how the Chinese think.
Unless a catastrophe truly threatens the survival of the human species and cooperation would save us both, no not anymore
Global warming is real by the way.
China and the US will become allies when it's beneficial for them and become rivals when it's not.
In the 90s, the US was scared that the Japanese economy was going to explode and make the US irrelevant.
AFAIK, the US wasn't making war plans or containment strategies, and and instead saw domestic protectionism as the solution to that problem.
Well because China wasn't occupied by the us like Japan was.
Yeah when the WTO allowed China in was when they started taking advantage of everybody. Japan never did that
@@kylesosa3562 Really? I'm so sick and tired of this tripe. Japan is not occupied by the U.S. and neither is the U.S. Japan could decide to develop nuclear weapons and the United States couldn't do a damn thing about it except complain. What planet are you on that you think the U.S. has ANY "veto" on any decision Japan makes about anything at all, except for diplomatic pressure?
Really, grow up.
@@mygoatisdead Please look up the Plaza Accords. This is written into the constitution of Japan and essentially gives the US the ability to wage war (military operations) and curtail companies within Japan. Hencewhy the collapse of the post 1980s was not by choice but by design as the USA triggered this accord to curtail Japanese economic development. One key aspect is the release of all seminconductor patent technology by Japanese firms which destroyed Japanese IP protections.
Please don't be sick of the reality. This is reality. It may make you feel uncomfortable but don't shy away from it. The USA is now worried about Chinese (and later Indian) economic rises and the possible rise of many other major players around the globe. More protectionist and containment strategies will be seen, however the US does not have a post-WW2 structure to contain or torpedo these economies. All it can do is try and likely fail.
Japan got nuked again by USA when the Plaza Accord passed
They aren't enemies. Only rivals. Enemies are like India vs Pakistan or Israel vs Palestine or North & South Korea.
America is already freinds with china. Or are you refering to west taiwan?
best response everrrrr hahahahaah
He is indeed referring to west Taiwan.
Lol the idea that a nation of 22 million is "China" is hilarious to me
@@dunnowy123The CCP is illegitimate
lmaoo
This video paints the US as if it doesn’t support dictators and authoritarians either 🙄
Which Dictators & Authoritarians does the USA support ?
@@joemosely9383Saudi Arabia is the main one.
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@@baneofbanes what's the reason for supporting Saudi Arabia?
@@joemosely9383 It's been a consiistent ally for almost a hundred years, works to keep oil price consistent, ally against Iran which funds most of the terrorism in the middle east, buy a massive amount of weapons, tech, and culture from the US, etc etc etc.
Short answer, no.
Long answer, hell nooo to the no no noooo yeah hell to the no!
The problem is China and the US are more powerful and influential. We need them to cooperate, and it is the fact.
no need to cooperate - just ea stay home - world was fine - like before european ever came to asia n colonizing forever - immigrate back home to origin - the only way
West Israel will not allow it, goyim
The competition between the United States and China is simply a competition for resources. The world's annual economic output is like a cake on a table, and China is eating faster and faster. The cake is so small, and the more China eats, the less Americans eat. This is reflected in the expansion of China's industrial manufacturing and industrial upgrading. So the United States wants to stop China, that is, to impose technological sanctions and suppression on China, so that China will eat slower and less. China and the United States are now in a competitive relationship, so it is difficult to be friends again.
As you pointed out in the beginning, for states to become friends the conflict needs to be seen through to the end.
Been watching your content for a while, it's truly excellent. But this one probably tops all your other videos I've seen so far.
It’s just humanity optimizing itself… let’s see what we learned this millennium
Just as much as we forgot?
"Nerve Gas isn't worth it."
Amazing, as usual. Thank you
Remember, friends or enemy, nothing is permanent. Only self interest.
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Unless you're Vietnam...
i'm 12 and this is deep.
buddy, nations do actually have values besides "fuck you got mine"
Machiavelli actually advises against this, since he observed this sort of thinking got states eliminated. Machiavelli said it is far better to keep your alliances, because people remember betrayal, and he often saw states which abandoned their weaker allies later needed their allies' help (which of course, would never come. Because the betrayal was sorely remembered).
A good example would be Austria abandoning Russia in the Crimean War, with the mindset that "well it's not in our interests to get dragged into a war with the English and French over a matter that doesn't concern us."
When Italy and Prussia started seizing Italian/German land from Austria, in the end Austria found no help from Britain, France or Russia.
A similar experience is had when America's foreign policy was focused around "no friends/enemies, only interests." When America threatened France and Britain over the suez crisis, in order to gain Arab allies, they lost their French and British alliances for the Vietnam war. But at least they got all these Arab allies? Except in the name of defending their interests, they supported Israel, losing their Arab alliances. You can see this pattern repeating over and over again to the 21st century with the USA funding the freedom fighters, then cutting support for them, then the "freedom fighters" become anti-American terrorists. If you have no permanent friends, you have no basis upon which others can trust you, eventually everyone becomes your enemy. It is a fundamentally unsustainable foreign policy
@@noaccount4 Machiavelli wasn't a particularly insightful philosopher. His recommendations are really only appropriate to a very limited set of circumstances, and were designed for improving the condition of minor princes and relatively unimportant principalities. Almost nothing he wrote is valuable for a major global power.
Clear and thoughtful analysis: a tremendously good video, Mr Walas!
The U.S.: “The Pacific is an American lake.”
China: “The Pacific is big enough to accommodate both China and the U.S.”
For that, the PRC is going to need to make friends with the ROC, Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Australia, Korea, and Aotearoa.
@@blafonovision4342 The U.S.: The Monroe Doctrine applies to the Pacific as well.
@@david3549tw true. The Marshalls, Saipan, Guam, and Midway.
The United States has been a country for only 200 years, with only 16 years without war. Now, Western media is using the same tactics to slander China as they did to slander the Soviet Union. They are afraid that communism will destroy the so-called democracy and freedom that they have, and that this democracy and freedom is nothing more than war, plunder, and colonization. Remember that the current US government's financial strength is obtained by drinking the blood of those who died in wars. However, some Westerners may think that this is true freedom, which is truly pitiful.
Lol. As someone living at the center of this conflict. That's a lot of bs.
One of the most tragic things in 20th century history, is probably after 1949 , America and china are not allies anymore, after fighting a world war as allies together. And don't say it is because of china itself decided so, look who was the neighbor in the north at that time, and what changed.
Democracies vs Communist
Free Market Economies vs State Run Economies
@@joemosely9383 Practically all economies in Asia are state-run to varying degrees. Taiwanese corporations like TSMC were initially state-led projects before privatization. Korean development was mainly led by Park Chung Hee assigning families as "national champions" of various industries and giving them all the money they needed to develop. The US"s closest ally in SE Asia, Singapore (only country in the region that can use F-35), has 30% of their economy run by the state which is similar to the PRC's proportionally, and all their citizens live in state-run public housing like the USSR. Even Japan is a one party state. Opposition parties in Japan have only been in power for 4 years since WW2 which is a pretty bad record for a democracy.
Communist Vietnam is also now an American ally. Almost all our allies in the Middle East have state-ran and planned economies by various royal families.
The only thing America cares about is interest. It happens that China is bullying countries like Japan and Vietnam with territorial disputes so these countries use America for protection instead.
with rising power, you get rising ambitions too.
Brooooo, we don’t have to call Russia a great power anymore 😆
What do you mean!?! Russia has the second most powerful military.... in Russia!
don't mistake incompetence for incapability.
lmao the cope
Unfortunately they still are.
Didn’t USA lose to a giant rice field (Vietnam)?
America isn’t a superpower
China has the same problem Japan did in the first half of the 20th Century: They started late, and they want a real empire like the big boys. To get it, they will fight for it (or use political geopolitical maneuvers for the same). Doing that means taking from somebody else, whether it is simply influence or actual territory. Whether they succeed or not will depend on how well existing powers counter them.
Or to put another way, in the words of US President Richard Nixon: *"I wish to establish a winner image. Therefore it is necessary for me to beat somebody."*
Friends? By most standards, they're already great friends, they're incredibly reliant on each other for trade.
When that stops being the case, then we can start asking when they'll be back to trade.
Ultimately it becomes a question of whether Americans value freedom over income, and whether the Chinese people value political and military grandstanding over good sense.
Fantastic, thank you
China and North Korea VS Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea, Philippines and the US.
Not Thailand. They ain't gonna interfere
@@izajahmed8863 They might have to. its not a choice for them.
Australia and New Zealand. Thailand is a maybe...
@@Trayaurette2195 Dude just replace Thailand with India
Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Philippines are all US junior allies
Thailand may not be a junior ally, they don’t target China that much
USA is the senior ally
Great job as always!
America joined WWII because it was attacked by Japan and Germany declared war on the U.S. Thank you for this video, it provides a different point of view than most the current thinking on US/China and an optimistic one as well.
Excellent analysis
US and China teamed up would be terrifyingly powerful.
@@JohnnyChronic18 china is not powerful. China would be a liability to the usa.
As long as those countries are big and powerful, it's never going to happen. They are their own power centers
Power abhors rivals. A lot of the USA's diplomacy in Europe has been about preventing it from becoming powerful enough to challenge them. Only way USA and China settle things peacefully is of one side becomes significantly weaker or a significantly more powerful entity forces it.
Firefly Alliance.
@@User9r682 nice fanfiction. guys, remember when the US prevented the EU.
Functionally, no. Not unless the CCP decides to "abdicate".
Yea the only Chinese government that would be willing to be allies with America would be the ROC, and even then I’m sure overtime they would try to push America into a junior position.
Exactly, the issue is the xixipee. It might even be reformed with time, not in the near future though
Even if they do, it’s still a hard no.
@@kingpalafox1045 Nah mang, China is admirable as a culture. the xixipee destroyed most of it, but the common Chinese person is cool.
Also, they are responsible for a lot of innovation, imagine Taiwan but on the size of China, we would all benefit from genuine cooperation. The xixipee makes this impossible though, that's the real issue
Even if China suddenly turns democratic, I'm pretty sure that it will still challenge the US because when you are the 2nd best, you don't want to be in the shadow of the king forever so naturally you will have to try to take the throne sooner or later. I don't say that China will try to topple the US as the world's hegemon and demolish their 800+ bases all around the world, but they will make sure that the US are out of their "backyard" (basically most part of the eastern hemisphere).
Much useful food for thought in this video, but it is worth remembering that Japan became an American ally after the post-WWII occupation rebuilt the country politically and socially, almost from the ground-up. It's an extraordinary case. That being said, I don't think that China and the US are inherently enemies or even rivals. The US was perfectly happy to support Nationalist China against the Japanese. The obstacle is the CCP - its ideology and its ruthless exploitation of nationalist sentiment to stay in power. However, the CCP is in a state of terminal decline, as it seems to have no effective answers to China's terrible problems. If Sun Yat-sen can somehow return from the grave and shape a more Western-facing post-CCP China, then friendship and cooperation between China and the US is quite possible.
your first sentence only makes sense if you think history started with WW2. US and japan was allys and massivly helped japan modernized. japan and US only got into conflict when japan became a death cult military junta for a bit.
Well the problem is that china is communist and a treat to their interest.
If china were a fascist military dictatorship usa would be their best friends lmao
Sun yat sent was a ruthless dictator as well..
The obstacle is Belt and Road Initiative and US being stupid enough to expand NATO's push to the east with Ukraine, ultimately converting Russia and China into bfs. Now, we will see Xi's globalization. Saying that China is in "decline" is really laughable, during the present century all it has done is growing and the only issues that faced were not being able to export all the commodities they wished during financial crisis periods of Western countries or being blocked and not eligible to buy foreign bonds. You might be living in another world, probably American world.
wrong, go read gen Stilwell wiki page.
The word “see vil were” is blocked in this channel so my comments disappeared. There would be a game changer if the US approaches a “see vil were”
Civil strife and conflict, yes. Full on civil war with the break off of multiple states, no that is very unlikely.
I’m sorry, but I can’t hear the word “strategic”, without thinking about George Bush and “strategery”. If you know you know, lmao 🤣
US and communst China became 'friends' in the past due to the US-USSR-China strategic triangle, but today there is no 3rd member of the triangle for the two countries to work together against. China also seeks to undermine both the sovereignty of its neighbors and norms of political freedom and human rights internationally. Only economic cooperation has some attractiveness, but that too is a poisoned chalice because it leads to technological theft asymmetric growth that favors China. Overall, there is no value seeking cooperation. Indeed, if the CCP regime is unwilling to respect neighboring borders and human beings' basic rights, then there is instead value in actively seeking to curb and undermine both them and the state they have parasitized.
In accordance with the Competitive Exclusion Principle: "Two -species- great powers cannot indefinitely coexist occupying the same niche" -Ecology 101.
As long as money is involved, even if they hate each other’s guts, they will always be freneimes 😂
I would argue that the US is less in love with "zero sum" geopolitics. The post-WW2 Western order always explicitly left plenty of power and room to succeed for other powers...in a peaceful context. It was why we set up the UN, and sometimes sided against our closer European allies in favor of new post-colonial countries. The red line was (mostly) powers or conflicts that threatened the whole system, such as Iraq in 1991, or Korea in 1950.
This has got to be the funniest thing I've ever read
@@Swiplys How so? My position is slanted in presentation, but I didn't say anything that isn't true.
@@MM22966 It is demonstrably false given the 80% of wars launched being done by the US on entities that were not against the USA. This is why everyone else hates us. It's the lies and the foreign interference
yes they can be vey good friends without insisting that surprise visits is the only way to communicate.......
0:51 I assume “1905” is a mistake?
sleep reading, clearly not caring what script has been delivered to him
I caught that too. Like, I may be an American, but I don’t remember France and Britain being at war against each other in 1905, or fighting a war in *Crimea* decades later.
i caught that too. i mention it only to offer constrictive criticism, not place blame. reading a script into the Mike is not exactly easy. easy would be to have some lifeless AI read the script and produce the words. Please do not do that, we would all be worse off for it.
Two swords can't be kept in one sheath ✂️
Oh shit ! Hubert did this one! Yaaaasssss
I love the thumbnail map where it makes Alaska appear to be a comparable landmass to china. Goofy map projections 🤷🏽
It’s just a standard Mercator projection.
There’s no such thing as an accurate map. You can’t project the surface of a sphere onto a 2d rectangle and not get distortions.
Grow up.
Someone got a size complex 😅
"rivalries do not stand forever"
The greeks and turks:
Fulfill the " Project Gemini ".
💙👍
Big fan of the channel! While the US was certainly contemplating and preparing for action in World War 2, it's entry was definitely forced by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Still an excellent video, keep up the good work
No. Mazarr may be too optimistic on the prospects of change, though I do appreciate his cautious stance on 'victory' over China. CCP members and their families benefit too much from that power structure to want it to end. A democratic system would likely end their wealth and seek restitution or punishment.
It's just about interests, no one is anyone's friend.
No, freedom doesn’t mix with evil.
So why America promotes it? They are evil.
If that were really the case, the United States would not exist.
Unfortunately, the main questions "WHEN?" wasn't asnwered.
I've never seen so many dope maps in 1 short video.. jfc where did you find all these maps? Can you please link them all? Thanks!
6:59 This is how its percieved by washington (zero-sum game), but not by Beijing.
If there was a world war I suspect Russia and China will break apart into different countries. I.e. a siberian state or a Uighur one, Tibet etc. However, the demographic losses will set back all involved. Thats probably why the West is allowing mass illegal migration though they I dont think anticipated the lack of assimilation.
I'm amazed how this channel posts such quality content so often
8:40 I don't think that it's quite this cold and calculating. I think that there was also a cultural aspect. Those guys are a lot more like us than the people they're facing. We got to help the people that are like us
We were only friends for a tiny percentage of the time that we have had any relationship. The question that you use for a title is at the very least somewhat misleading.
Democracy and human rights are not western concepts.
Ofc but most Western countries uses human rights and democracy
Like Russia in the way of its western and southern borders, China sees it's Pacific region as its sphere of influence. Unfortunately for China, many of the countries in the area are in military alliances with the US. This will always place a strain on the relationship with the US in the same way that NATO is a natural barrier to better relations with Russia.
Sweden and Denmark have had more wars than any other countrys. We are quite good friends now👍
The key is to remember that the emotional messages that get populations riles up are not the same things people who actually wield power care about, and when you have power, shaping public opinion is not hard. When you strip away the nationalism and rhetoric that gets public support, .. you can cut to what the leadership actually values, and there really isn't anything intractable there.
All the US really wants is 'investment oppurtunity'.. make it easy for wealthy americans to get a slice of the chinese economy, and everything else melts away (just look at Russia for an example of how that played out). China is more in a cult of personality situation.. the leadership wants to stay in power but are sitting on a demographic time bomb and there is no clear way out of it right now, so hard to say what the US could give them in return...
As for the current news, if Trump takes office, he will give up Taiwan in exchange for ChiMa's help. But ChiMa may not accept the offer. Because the same can be done after US crashes
Nope, China was supposed to abandon their totalitarian ways when their economy improved and they engaged in trade with the world. Instead they tried to use the leverage they thought they had to dominate. China is toast
Lmao 😂. Yeah sure. If Trump wins America will see instability & protest. They are toast. If Trump loses J6 on a whole other level. Haha 😂.
@@mr.x817 no one will do another J6, all his thugs are in jail. Now he’s not in power so he can’t delay security to stop his thugs. Meanwhile China doesn’t have enough food to feed its people and 70% of Chinese people live on less than $1 per day. Pathetic
@@mr.x817doesn't matter... the badism of maoism will fall regardless
@@guyman1570 cool & America is going to fall. It’s just a matter of time.
@@mr.x817 democracies have proven to be the most resilient to crises throughout history. autocracies and dictatorships the least.
The idea of a powerful nation-state with a strong government, strong ethnic identity, and robust economy is anathema to the U.S. and its system. They can never be friends.
Weird how they have been friends with Japan for such a long time then.
I aided the algorithm.
The Hundred Years War would like to point out the existence of rivalry outliers.
That entirely depends on China. As long as they remain the CCP, I do not want their government trading with mine.
Even in the CCP, recently it's influenced by Xi, he has pretty much become Mao all over again.
I’ve got bad news for you
@@altus3278
If the news is we're already trading, I know. I want 'made in china' to become a relic of the past, and for us to move on different, more fair partners.
@@cortster12 what do you even call “more fair?” Do you think the Chinese built your iPhone sweatshop themselves? No they didn’t, we (the west) constructed them, we exploited their developing economy and now they are biting us back in the arse. Do you think the problem will solve itself if we move the iPhone production to another country like Vietnam? It’s just a question of time before their economy also catches up and their regime will also start bothering us. Cheap manufacturing prices and democracy do not go hand in hand, it’s either one or the other (or neither).
@@cortster12 Who would you consider "more fair partners"? Who do you think funded the factory in china that built your phone? It was us (the west) who moved the production to China and other developing Asian countries because it is cheap. Now that China is biting us back where do you want to move production? Many companies are already moving the production to Vietnam, as it is less developed and even cheaper to produce there, but it is only a question of time before their regime will bite us back too. The truth is that cheap manufacturing and democracy can't really coexist; it's either one or the other (or neither). That has been historically true and it will likely stay that way in our current lifetime.
Everyone wants to FA but no one wants to FO
The United States always 2 steps ahead of China. Just look at the tentacles or attack dogs of USA in the pacific: S. Korea, Philippines, Japan, Taiwan and dont forget the Aussies.
You talk about The US trying to ‘persuade’ China as if it was a dovish and peaceful actor. In fact the US effectively declared war the day it bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1995. I don’t know if such an important omission is meant to mislead viewers or because you ‘just didn’t know’ but you could also have added further perspective in your analysis, especially when quoting some of the authors’ claims about the US having values of Freedom and Human Rights when - in fact- the US has supported Dictarial Regimes in Chile, Peru, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Many others…and is does not promote Human Rights in Gaza.
This is about Power and Resources and Talk of values is merely War Propaganda Speak.
I hope so and They will make the world better for other countries too
When asking this, thinking of the USSR and USA play was in the past.
Let you know that the counterparts to the War Hawks are the Peace Doves.
the question is : can American corporations work with Chinese corporations ?
Probabaly not.
They’ve got too many friction spots.
This wasn’t some spat started by the Chief Oompa Loompa. Things have been boiling up for a while.
I think the better question is : Can the U.S. stop being imperialistic?
*cough* Hong Kong *cough* South China Sea *cough* Taiwan *cough* Xinjiang *cough* Tibet *cough* Ryuku Islands *cough* Senkaku Islands *cough* India border incursions *cough* illegal villages in Bhutan
A democratic/western liberal China would be so powerful, ,,teaming up" with the US.
It definitely has potential, but I think it could only come if the CCP and it's system were to collapse like how the Soviet Union did.
That remains to be seen, but sure thing is that China demographic and economic problems and the possible Taiwan conflict pose a significant threat.
I can imagine a world where these problems lead to the collapse of the CCP. But I also think the US should step up then avoid the mistakes with post-soviet Russia, because that in the long-term turned out to be a pretty big headache.
So I definitely see potential for China in the future, maybe much more as in a European Federation or a democractic Russia emerging as a new, strong but friendly partner for the USA.
I've heard of Hawks and Doves, but never of Hawks and _Owls._ Whence did you get that nomenclature?
Search up "Hawks, Doves, and Owls", it is a 1985 paper by GT Alison and co. But yes the term isn't commonly used.
They can't be friends but they need them to survive, the rst of the world too
Short answer no
Yea when the other one economically collapses.
By nature, they're ideologically meant to oppose each other. However, it's up to them how to treat each other. The US has a history of bullying so it's no surprise the relationship is what it is now.
Can Russia and West Europe be Friends again?
12~14 years ago you could find a video of western military marching in Moscow
Stand up against the CCP!
Of course, you just have to wait another five years
Or... CCP loses the mandate of heaven.
Then you need corrupt politicians
I have utter contempt for the idea of the US being "friends" with Mainland China under the grip of the CCP. When Mainland China is free of the CCP things will change.
We are already friends with china, the real China that currently has its capital in Taiwan
@@dominuslogik484There you go.
Why?
@@dominuslogik484 The problem is the ROC is trying to break free form the one-china policy. Taiwan no longer sees themselves as Chinese, but Taiwanese. The KMT or the Chinese nationalist party still supports the one-china policy and still wants to reunify with the mainland, while the DPP wants to push more towards the creation of a Taiwanese identity because they no longer see Taiwan as Chinese culturally.
So what do you think about the US derecognizing ROC (KMT/Taiwan) and switching to PRC (China) in 1979? Do you think that it was a mistake?
Where exactly do Pottinger and Gallagher suggest regime change?
🐢 Turtle says only if they get a common enemy.
Reported for sinophobia.
us and china might be rivals, but its not like it was with the ussr
frog doesn't trust scorpion
100 years later maybe
It sounds clever but I donùt know what to take of this.
Nation states have no friends or enemies, only interests. -- some guy
What... what if we manufactured our own crap, created jobs, and paid a fair wage to our citizens? 🇺🇸
Raising wages? Sounds like socialism to me.
the US has the second highest manufacturing right now.
It takes a lot more than that... Your products should be cheaper and there is no way happening with all costs and taxes in USA. Also, the world needs to buy your products and there is no way happening as your country weaponizes each and every single thing then. Above all, ain't no way those corporate riches will have to take some cuts and profits.... So basicslly NO
@@izajahmed8863 you can’t raise wages and make cheaper products at the same time.
And the entire world already buys American manufactured products.
@@baneofbanes the entire world buys crap made in china. prior to china's cheap manufacturing, people weren't used to changing stuff for newer models every year, shopping for clothes every season or weekend, and so on.
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Wrong channel lol
💀 Hahaha
What is hilarious is that without each other at the moment they are nothing. . .
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@@9_9876 They depend on each other economically, china more so then the USA though
@@9_9876 who buys the most Chinese crap?
@@chocolatemonkChina isn’t even the largest source of imported goods in the US. Canada and Mexico are. China is number three.
no they were never friends
Depends on which regime. Before 1949 america and china were super allies and fighting together.
@@seg5820 Not really. The US cut off all aid to the ROC by 1946 and didn't bother with them until the First Taiwan Strait Crisis.
The era of ROC rule in Taiwan until 1990 is known locally as the "White Terror" due to the brutality and corruption of the KMT regime; they had their own version of Tiananmen Square called the February 28 incident.
But now the ROC doesn't want to stick to the one-china policy and sees itself as a distinct Taiwanese state, instead of a "Republic of China."
, Great Good Times Bad Times to watch. Thank you