The older guy is right though that any vote needs to be a vote on a set out plan, not a vote on a simple yes or no with the details to be hashed out later (a la Brexit)
The border poll will never be on a set plan, it will be a simple yes or no with the details to be hashed out later, that's just how these things go. The alternative is spending billions on plans for something that may never come to fruition. Would it be the smart thing to do from a planning perspective? absolutely, but even if the majority of the politicians could get together and agree, someone would use their veto to prevent it. We have to play with the cards we're dealt at the end of the day, we don't live in an ideal Northern Ireland.
@@ince55ant In number, sure, but they are generally ignored in most regards. Regardless, they would not be applicable (and even if they were, not binding) to NI, as its a different country. Unionists will more or less offer status quo, I imagine Nationalists will do two things, the dream of a unified Ireland, and probably a promise of a land of milk and honey. which is ....unlikely. Everyone really needs to be really honest about the future, as its a massive issue. But I just dont see it happening. from either side.
@@tisFrancesfault Actually, all main political parties in Ireland have stated continuously that they have no intention of holding a border poll until we know exactly what we're voting for. It's far too sensitive an issue for a brexit style referendum...
I used to live in Belfast for almost 2 years. I have a huge fondness for this city and NI in general. Wonderful memories, great people. Still fly in from time to time to visit familiar corners, meet with friends, climb Cave Hill and admire the Belfast skyline and the obligatory walk from Whiterocks Beach up to the Giant Causeway. Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best. much love from polish girl.😊
What a lovely Statemented Sentiment written within good intent. Always nice to read words written from the ❤..&.. a place of kindness about Northern Ireland I hope you're living happily.&. blessed wherever you have relocated to also . ..
@@glennhosick1514 Thank you for your kind comment. We have a saying: ,,wszędzie dobrze, ale w domu najlepiej" it means ,,it is good everywhere, but best at home"...and although Northern Ireland will always have a special place in my heart, my place will always be where my thoughts, words, heart and soul are, that is, in my Poland...and yes, I live happily among the people I love. I greet you warmly and, if you haven't been yet, come and explore my country. I think you won't be disappointed.😊
I expected nothing less than such a thoughtful within meaning.&.warmth Within thought from your good self. ... I also greet warmly! The saying you have from the beautiful land..&..your home..of Poland. .. The ???'s The lady was asking about our own homeland..in interview. @Beautiful Northern Ireland. My immediate thoughts lending towards. .&. I could not be more comfortable in sharing such! That it is the Warmth.. kindness.&.Genuinty!!! Of the People who make such a home. I recall watching a documentary with the lovely Miriam Margoyles. Sitting @a dinner table somewhere in the U.S🇱🇷 She extended the ??? to her hosts. Which Country was polled.&.deemed the most warm within welcome across the Globe!! .&. It did give my ❤..a..🤗 When her reply was the endearing people of Northern Ireland 🤩😊 Which I gleaned from your reply! You also received in such!! I think to say that you found in our home! Your 2nd home! Is Very special.&. appreciated!! .... I've no doubt. You will have more adventures future incoming. Visiting both your friends.&. special places. I hope you do so in both good health.&. happiness. (Sorry for going on a bit in reply. I do like to try answer as best I can. Having friends here! I'm sure you're used to such anyways!!😂😂)😊
As an Englishman I would say take the opportunity to leave the UK and become a part of a United Ireland. The UK is going downhill now with no sign of any form of recovery.
While talking about Brexit, a friend of mine who's Irish asked me if I was Irish and I said, "I wish I were!" Funny how that trope has turned around 180º, thinking about John Lennon's song "Luck of The Irish".
I'd head south@@melaniebaldwin-l4n , the economy there is booming, it's pretty bleak in the north. If you have a house in the UK sell up, as house prices in ROI are pretty high. If you can avoid Dublin, I would, you will get a lot more for your money, especially since your major money making days are behind you (no offence). ........just as long as you vote yes in any unification border poll when it happens :)
@@melaniebaldwin-l4ni mean this with respect please dont come over here and sponge off the welfare system its bad enough already, iv noticed alot of this going on from people in the uk at the moment
Yep, people gave their lives for freedom, some jailed some hung and some on hunger strikers and now their decendants are asking: "what kind of health care package would that be includin?'
@matthewcollins8148 feel the same. Having the DUP in Dublin pushing for a new flag, national anthem, UlsterScot to be included in every road sign, anything emotional that doesn't actually give practical benefit .
DUP may not even take their seats in a united Ireland government although I think a new anthem and flag would have to happen since it would no longer be the same country anymore. Could see a few all island citizen assemblies to decide on those lol@@ginger8383
@@porcupineinapettingzoo These three people who haven't a notion is representative of "NI"? That's absolutely false. A lot of people are incredibly engaged about politics like myself who, had they interviewed, wouldn't have spewed this apathetic nonsense.
@magaolinewood9268 let's make sure that we have you interviewed next time since you're such an expert on how all Northern Irish people think. A February poll found 11% of respondents were unsure of how they would vote in a Border poll, they are the people who will decide the future of NI not those who are politically engaged whether you want to hear from them or not.
@@porcupineinapettingzoo Did I say I knew how "all people think" who pompous prick? The fact remains for the sake of this video getting three people who haven't a clue what they're talking about made for a poor video. Plus being undecided doesn't mean you aren't engaged either. There's a myth here that people aren't engaged in politics and you're peddling it. I would say people are very engaged here.
As a Scotsman from the Highlands (no West Coast mindset) I can only say some of the best holidays and times of my life have been had in Northern Ireland (and the Republic!!)....there's nothing else like Northern Irish hospitality mixed with a wicked sense of humour and a directness of opinion.....the majority of NI people I've encountered also had a very easy going outlook on life - at least that was my experience. All I can say is that the issue of a United Ireland needs to be treated with the utmost care and respect for all sides - it would be unforgivable to see Northern Ireland slide back into divison and hate because politicians were too lazy to talk and understand.
@@duncanfinlayson124 West Central Scotland mindset - sorry I should have been more accurate. Where there are still strong pockets of Unionist and Republican support - even if you don't have a view either way it can be hard to avoid.
Personally as an Irishman I don’t care what they decide to do but feel we should accommodate them either way. However I don’t personally think the times right just yet. I would prefer to see ni get more devolved powers and align their economic strategy more with the south and take advantage of the dual market access they have in order to mitigate the gaps they have economically with the south.
There is a route in GFA and it does involve them deciding to leave the union by referendum before they can then choose to negotiate a united Ireland. That vote can be on the same ballot and they can freely discuss plans with Dublin beforehand but it does give it some structure. As for the economy, there is no way in hell they could match the Republic which currently has the highest GDP in Europe. It will be a burden to take on NI and it'll cost a lot of money to regenerate the North. The large workforce in the North and need for workers in the South will ease this and long term it'd make Ireland wealthier. Its the anti-Brexit, it looks like it could be a bad thing but in reality it'll be re-unification bonuses all over the shop.
@kevinsmarts9953 agreed. Once the IDA get into the north the foreign investment will start pouring in, they are the best in Europe at their job. Everyone talks about NI as a burden, but few talk about it in terms of the potential it contains. More land, more ports, road & workers to further groe the all island economy.
The potential is definitely there. Access to both U.K. and EU markets. NI should be able to replicate the growth of the South. It’s been a long time. All the people in the South that I’ve listened to or spoken directly with don’t really see us as fellow Irish people. They refer to themselves as Irish instead of Irish republican or Southern Irish and always refer to us as Northern Irish. We are all Irish and many in the North identify that way and it can be alienating to be viewed as a separate people despite the fact we technically are. It’s odd. If the south didn’t want us and the U.K. definitely doesn’t it’s a shame we couldn’t just graft it out as an independent nation but the economics of belonging to the U.K. seem to drain NI dry of any surplus they produce. NI has a good number of home grown business at scale exporting all over the world and an AI sector that is pumping out good work that London is getting credit for on the world stage.
Unionism is incompatible with democracy and uniting with any alternative viewpoint other than it's own. A United Ireland based on equality, fairness and inclusion is the only way.
@funnyflix895 Unity requires a force that pulls people together. people unite when they have things in common. Could be anything common culture, common values, common enemies, common goals, common circumstances. Seems like today there's more forces tearing people apart than bringing them together and no one has anything in common. Part of its a good thing as well as the bad, the reason we dont have fighting in northern ireland is people no longer cling to a group. Theres less tribalism but also less unity.
Glad to see basically no weird fervor about this issue from the (admittedly small) sample of people. Wishing you all the best, and be sure not to rush into anything for sentimental reasons. Status quos can be underrated. - An Irish-American resident of Taiwan.
First bloke saying people today didn't grow up with what he grew up with, and then the young woman who was 3rd confirmed it "we just don't care about that stuff" is exactly the progress I've been waiting for since 1998 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 the generation who didn't grow up with violence and division will be the ones to truly change NornIron. My generation saw the tail end of the conflict, but still saw some pretty bad things such as Armagh, a lot of hurt and pain remained for those in NI, so perhaps couldn't move past it as easily
the demographic reality of Northern Ireland is changing. It is no longer a Protestant majority, but it's also not (or marginally, if it is) a big Catholic majority either. What it is though, is a connected, young population who want to be highly mobile, who want to be citizens of the world. People want to go about their lives with happiness and with optimism. Maybe this generation will be the one which redefines the arguments.
@@cordoroy9515 That was my question too. Is there still a majority who have religion ? I’m in the North of Scotland where religion in general is fading, and is just not thought about or talked about. There are loads of diverse churches with different faiths, but they are used by a small minority.
@gordonmackenzie4512 Well, I'm the South of Scotland. I would say religion and politics down here is pretty non exsistent. We probably both know a section that ties the two together here but it must be a minority. I wonder if it's the same across the Irish Sea?
Far more measured responses than I was expecting - good on them for their sober reflection, I hope most people in NI are like that - most I've met have been lovely, from either community
Well NI is only a small part of the UK. They also are a big net beneficiary of UK money. So if NI did leave then it would take an economic hit. However, in the long term, it may be more successful.
@@ecnalms851NI is taking an economic hit being in the uk. I think being part of Ireland again would help the economy remember we ar not talking about NI independence we are talking about it going back to Irish rule again. Everywhere surrounding the uk is doing well... the uk is the sick place... even the English are fed up of it.
With an increased number of GP's charging in NI the 2 systems are looking more and more like each other. A total reform for the whole island, more along the lines of South Korea would be ideal.
@@aengusryan5948 Its an opportunity to start again with policies and project that are fit for purpose. Look at the ports in Cork, Mogg moving his business to Dublin. Contracts streaming into Belfast as a direct result of brexit.
I have lived in the republic of Ireland the health service is free for people on benefits if your working you pay health insurance just like in the north
I live in South. I hope to move just over the border and build/buy a house there as Northern Ireland is a much better place in my eyes. The Irish government has brought the south to it's knees. I do not wish for a united for this reason alone. The north are better off without the south.
You live in South - South of what? The Liffey? The Shannon? So the North is a much better place than the South - in what areas? Health, crime, culture?
I like the attitude these people have, that was a heartening watch. I grew up - in England- during the troubles, and I well remember the killings on the news night after night. They are all right
There's a lot of myths about the two health systems. Outcomes are better in the Republic. Waiting lists are long, but shorter than in the north. Life expectancy is longer in the Republic. And the HSE is free to children pensioners, unemployed and low wage earners. I'm happy to pay a little as I can afford it, and I'm happy to subsidize those who can't pay. A federal united Ireland with a new flag and anthem and British citizenship for those in the north who want it.
@ivanvincent7534 Agreed . I've actually written an anthem in Irish with an a version in English also: "Ár dTír do Chách - A Land for All. " To the tune of Danny Boy!
That's the idea@@noelfleming3567 , but the unionists hate it (they associate it with the IRA). If it takes creating a new flag, I'm happy to do that. Don't get hung up on flags and imagery, leave that stuff to the loyalists.
You're about to see an influx of people give an opinion on an issue they don't know nothing about and a country they could barely tell you the capital of.
Must be 'refugees' arriving at Dublin airport who've miraculously lost their passports in transit, then. Don't worry, the Irish government will roll out the red carpet and give them a house, car, and social welfare.
So for people in the North who are curious, there hasn't been any official work done on preparing for a united Ireland because nobody wants to rock the boat until such a time when unification looks like it's going to happen but here's a general idea of what people who do talk about it think would happen. Things like the anthem and the flag would be up for debate (the flag might be a blue or green background to a harp, the anthem could be a new one but it probably won't be Ireland's Call). Ulster Scots would be adopted as an official language. Those who wish to retain British citizenship would be allowed to do so and there would likely be some kind of agreement with the UK regarding those currently on British pensions or who are in line to get them. Basically, if unification happens in your life time you can choose to have a British pension. NHS hospitals would be transferred to the HSE (the Irish equivalent). The HSE is like the NHS but it's a two tiered system where health insurance is required to those earning over a certain amount. It's possible though that by the time unification happened, Ireland might have transitioned to something closer to the NHS and the act of unification might necessitate such a transition regardless. Regarding the structure of a united Ireland, it's likely to be at least somewhat federal, with capitals in Dublin, Cork, Belfast and possibly Galway to ensure that unionists in Ulster don't suddenly lose their political voice. There may also be a new constitution drawn up to reflect the new reality. In becoming part of Ireland, NI would obviously become part of an EU member state and enjoy EU rights. Furthermore, it's likely that the EU will provide funding during the transition process until the six counties are fully integrated into the Irish economy.
@@dl5498the flag is decisive now. Nobody cares what the swastika actually means. Just like every unionist sees the tricolour as a negative. I'd like to hear discussion the the St Patrick Cross. Unionists must be happy, it's literally going to mean the UK flag loses the cross, and Ireland takes it back. But then I'm guessing Irish see it as part of the UK flag only and don't want it flying over them.
Not Irish but as a supporter of Irish reunification the only concession I’d make if I was an Irish person in Ireland would be Ulster Scots as an official language.The flag absolutely should not be changed because the Tricolor has kind of been seen as the national flag since the mid1800s and the orange in the flag already represents the Protestants.The soldier’s song should stay cause it really symbolizes the ethnic Irish fighting 900 years of English oppression.Also “Ulster” Scots should remember that they’re the descendants of land thieves who benefitted from land stolen from native ethnic Irish. Do agree though that Irish reunification should address the practical concerns of those hesitant on a United ireland(especially the fact that Ireland hasn’t yet gotten on board with universal healthcare🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️)
Speaking as a southern Irish person, who in their right mind is going to volunteer to pay 55 euros for a doctor's appointment when you can have free medical care. Utter madness!
@@pr3nd0 It is 55euro for a GP visit in Tipperary. I know the NHS is not free as such. I was a nurse in the UK and everybody paid National Insurance but the amount was relatively low and then care was free at the point of delivery. It was a fair system because nobody can help being ill or the extent of their illness. It is the best healthcare system in the world in my opinion (or it was when I lived there) and I hope the British people will be smart enough to protect it.
I wish Ireland the best, and I think unification is on the horizon. They will be stronger together and although the memories are still painful it really seems that they have buried the hatchet.
Lets talk about this from both sides. I am a Irish man from the south, I hold culture and tradition very much in my heart and it matters to me from a standpoint of not just the southern views but also how it would effect and be implemented within the two countries. They talk about it being an "effort" yes it would be an effort nobody ever said it would be easy we all have been fighting holding pain and begrudging feelings towards each other, That be Irish against English, Irish against Irish, Protestant against Catholic we all have had some sort of reason to be effected by what has essentially been a huge chunk of our history and its apart of that identity. I will say we managed to actually fairly be able to bring both sides to the table state which are a must have within the new state that would be formed if we truly wished to settle our differences and actually come together as a people on this island we would have to listen maybe it would not be a perfect utopia or what many of us imagine it to be. I just want to see the people of Ireland united together rather then tear themselves apart to work together regardless to make that new chapter a possibility. There are so many things we could reform on both sides, I would be happy to take away the Tricolour, the anthem and other sacrifices if it meant we can both mutually benefit together as a people as something that actually expresses unity. One thing I would say free healthcare is something that should be implemented especially if it came to people under a certain income bracket, I would hope to see more promotion of culture as our identity as a people was so rich so unique and ancient that I find young people like myself are loosing touch reforms in how we teach our language, how it is implemented as to not scare people off make it more important in communities in the south. I know personally for 20 years of my life I thought it was "pointless" until I began to realise I felt so out of touch with my identity and heritage that it actually was causing those feelings of "not caring or being out of touch" with the society I lived in. We cant deny the past 800 years but both sides will need to make compromises to coexist after all that is what unification is all about and it should be done peacefully. I feel the government would need to be restructured in such a way we can root out the corruption to have strategies that are plaguing both sides and the failures which make young people not care or feel isolated from how their country is being run, There is no quick fix to these issues but we should be the ones to come together and work on it.
Northern Ireland has ended up in a great position. Still in the EU customs zone but can access cheaper goods from Britain and the NHS. The Republic of Ireland has suffered from too much money going after too little at the expense of ordinary people.
Gosh I’d love to see the day Ireland became the Island of Ireland again. I know that NI have to choose it but the healing an island of Ireland would create in us Irish would be amazing. I as an Irish person think it doesn’t matter what the cost Ireland needs to stand as an Island for its self, its identity, its culture, it people, etc.
I lived in NI for 10 years, there's an ever dwindling number of people holding on to the old views. Most of the "Loyalists" I knew were pragmatic, when a United Ireland means they'll be better off than they currently are they'll vote for it. It's becoming more and more an economic choice rather than political. That said I think the realism amongst Unionists that they're currently voting for a Union that doesn't want them will take a while to sink in but when it does the matter will be sealed.
I think they know GB doesn't want them. They are not particularly loyal to Britain, only when it suits. Interestingly a lot of loyalists I have spoken with said they would move if unification ever happened.
It could be expensive, but with what Ireland is currently paying into the EU, that they should not need to pay in in the event of a United Ireland until they get back on their feet and money from extra trade, it would be worth it in the long run
I’m Australian from transported 1818 Irish Catholic convict stock. I remember the Catholic/Protestant enmity from my childhood 1950s. At School we had a pic of the Pope on one wall, and a pic of Queen Elizabeth on the other. The English/Protestant vs Irish/Catholic minor enmity has gone now. We are much more non-European multicultural now. All we need to do is respect each other and our different historical traditions. Humanity comes first. I would like to see a United Ireland but only if the result is acceptable to everyone in both Northern Ireland and the Republic. We used to be six British colonies. Now we are a Federation of six independent States. I love my Irish ancestry. My convict was from Northern Ireland (Enniskillen) but a very Catholic family. Served his seven years and decided to stay on his land grant farm West of Sydney. He became a solid Catholic citizen who fed Sydney in the early years. That’s why I’m an Aussie.
the big issue is that it is not as simple as yes and no, there'll be a lot of minor details that delay it by a good few years, but it will happen i suspect by 2040, 2030 is still way too early
The GFA, an international binding treaty, states that the Secretary for Northern Ireland shall call a referendum on the matter if it seems likely that it would pass. If it comes to that, delay won’t be tolerated. Anything more than a couple of years, at the very most, won’t be acceptable.
@@tomkeegan3782 Ireland will not be changing to imperial. The U.K. is barely imperial and apart from the US and Liberia, it’s dead as a measurement system.
It just won't happen without the troubles flaring up again, and I hope it never does. People aren't going to sit by while their country and identity merges with another.
I'm Irish, lived in the north of Ireland my entire life. I've always wanted a united Ireland and still do, but we must do so by embracing the British people of the north. We can't rub it in and we shouldn't want to. I think deep down we each have a deep respect for our former enemies, going through a civil war against each other and we're all still here, we tried war we should try peace.
For those people concerned about funding for a unified Ireland there will be without doubt a financial package offered by the EU and the US to ease the transition to a United Ireland. The whole Islands economy would certainly be in a better position working together through agreement with common goals, which in turn would raise standards of living and economic growth.
Reunification is inevitable, demographic shifts show it. I’d assume the process will be within 10-15 years via referendum or otherwise. However, it needs to be a slow, accommodating approach.
@@gordonmackenzie4512 It was pretty disastrous for the East German economy, at least initially. Sort of wonder if NI would be even worsely affected as it would lose its unique selling position as a "gateway" between UK and Ireland/EU. Would definitely require a lot of EU/UK funding support
I'm a foreigner and I'm curious. Hearing about the time of the Troubles in NI, one thing that stands out to me is that no one ever describes that period as a civil war, even though it seems to me it was a civil war. Why is that?
Good question. It was, a civil war in everything but name. Two warring factions, seeking political control, thousands killed, tens of thousands injured. This is , or was, seriously bad for the UK's image as a stable democracy. The crafty label of the "Troubles" makes it sound like an extended fight in a pub, and the name Norther Ireland means the vast majority of foreign ppl thought the war was in Ireland (the Republic) as opposed to the UK. Now, the war did spill into Ireland and Britain with bombs and killing, but 99% of rhe hostilities were contained inside NI. How many people outside the UK and Ireland actually understand that NI is a region within the UK? In my experience, very few. So, the name the "Troubles " was a key bit of image management by London, to limit the reputation all damage from a civil war on its territory. It was a very successful ploy.
Because the Republican side were fighting to be part of another country ( as the political map demonstrates) One side considered themselves part of one country and the other side considered themselves part of another country. So I suppose it can't be considered a civil war
@ManannanmacLir69, good point. United ireland needs to forget the divisions of the past, which is what sinn fein are saying. We are the one people separated by religion and the differences in the religion is minimal!. The ira and previously the irish brotherhood were not about religion wolfe tone was a protestant robert emmet all brave irishmen who wanted freedom to bring the end of colonial rule to govern Ireland. Not be ruled by a foreign power who doesn't give 2 fecks about you.
In earlier times the irish invaded the west coast of England, Wales and Scotland killing the inhabitants and taking their land, so don't pretend you are the innocents, you invaded first.
As a southerner, I don't care all that much. Even if a majority up north wanted to unify, i still don't think it would be all that fair to force loyalists into it. As long as we're at peace im easy with that.
A lot of loyalists I spoke to (bear in mind, loyalists are the die hard guys, not your average unionist) said that if there was unification, they would move to Britain. Happy days.
@@aengusryan5948 You see I don't agree with that. I don't think anyone should have to lose their home in all this. At the moment, anyone can live in the south if they do wish. Just think forcing it on even a minority is a bit unfair given they've live there for generations.
@@robertpirsig5011 You sound like a West Brit, if people in Ulster vote for unification are you going to wring your hands and stop it because of abunch of extremist loons? It's Ireland now not Britain, off they pop to blighty.
@robertpirsig5011 I know what you mean, but you're forgetting the irish people in the north were subjected to terrible treatment in an apartheid state. Refused housing, jobs, basic civil rights. If a few loyalists choose to move that's up to them, I won't lose any sleep over it. Their community had behaved terribly, abusing the power the British placed in their hands. It's a weird place NI. The sooner it ceases to be the better. Maybe then we can all just on with things.
@@LostSouls-t2u we voted for freedom of movement over 30 years ago, and it has been proven to have been a spectacular success. Brexit on the other hand was, is and will always be a disaster. Northern Ireland voted against it.
@@LostSouls-t2uNot even slightly. Lots of lovely, productive young people coming over and helping grow our economy. You’d have to be a proper melt to think otherwise.
These folk sure are, but funny enough, right before this video, I happened upon a Channel 4 News video where they were talking to loyalist teens (their term), and all the old hard-line talk was coming out. I know these topics are always subjective depending on who you talk to, but it's great to hear the youth in this PoliticsJoe video ☮
Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not. Young people (20-25) here are like the young people in all western countries now, uneducated or uncaring just wanting to go drinking or share memes.
As an Irishman living in NI I'll say this much at least the Irish government give a shred of a shit about what goes on up here. The British government have a "What was that ? Hmm it must have been the wind" attitude when it comes to NI if the Brits actually gave a damn then Brexit would not have happened. A United Ireland cant come soon enough there is no possible way it could be worse in Ireland than it is here at least in Dublin people don't care where you're from or what religion you are.
It's not a bed of roses in the south mate. I personally think, there is feck all point to it only to stir up trouble again. Even if a majority wanted to unify, I'm personally against making loyalists feel like they've lost their nationhood. We shouldn't ram something down their trouts even if it's the majority
@@thefirm4606I'm English 🏴 and never heard of Ireland at all being mentioned. I have friends from the Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪 who have mentioned they want a United Ireland 🇮🇪 but it's not something I'm invented in so just say 'Thats amazing, hope it all works out for you'. Never really know what to say. I don't think many English 🏴 have an opinion as were more concerned with the mess our own country is in. Also a lot of my English 🏴 friends when asked will reply that they are 'English' and not British as they have no affiliation with Wales 🏴, Scotland 🏴 or Northern Ireland, so I don't think they are going to have an opinion on it. Hope it all works out for Ireland .
What? I was against Brexit but your comment is utterly stupid. How does the rest of uk voting for Brexit mean they don’t give a shit about NI. People have their own reasons and a lot of propaganda was spread to push brexit. But it certainly doesn’t mean people don’t give a shit about NI. That’s stupid and myopic.
I have seen this notion bandied around more than once in the media and public discourse. Why is it that advocating for the unification of Ireland is divisive, but advocating for Northern Ireland to remain a member of the United Kingdom isn't?
advocating for the unification of Ireland is inherently divisive. Not that's that's a bad thing or wrong, but your raising an issue that will clearly be very divisive and cause a lot of bitterness. The other side is saying just keep things as they are
I'm Canadian and been to Northern Ireland a half-dozen times in the last 30 years ,My wife is fro there and visit her family ,. I've seen a huge difference since 1997 in how Ulster People view themselves, for the good mostly, lts a beautiful place and the the people are the best,!
Im an Irishman from Dublin. And i would welcome a united Ireland. The past is the past. Imagine how much more of a great country we could be and more economically strong we would be as one country.
We down the south haven’t got the money or power to hold another 6 county’s can’t even look after what we have at the moment so I wouldn’t be surprised if just stayed the same but I would love to see a united Ireland in my life time 🇮🇪🍀
Division in Ireland is used to allow criminal activity to continue, extortion, excise duty evasion, fuel conversion, smuggling etc. It is very big business.
The older gentleman hit the nail on the head: do people south of the border really want all the hassle of it all? To have to change our flag, our anthem, our constitution, maybe even our capital city? I doubt it. People down South talk the talk, but what most don’t realise is that re-unification would mean “Brits in” (about one million of them) not “Brits out”. Unless of course, if it proposed as some type of Anschluss and we say we aren’t changing anything (which may well happen), in which case I can’t see the people of Northern Ireland voting for it.
It is a non runner. Irish citizens will not agree to the offering of gestures of appeasement to Unionists, such as changing our flag, anthem, constitution, etc al. Unionists in NI will never agree to it anyway (thankfully). After 25 years of the GFA, has it brought the communities together? More “Peace Walls” now than at any time during the conflict. A divided Northern Ireland will not fit into a United Ireland. Never going to work.
@@RebelofIrelandand many don’t. I suppose we will all have to wait until the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland gives permission for a border poll in Northern Ireland to take place. Only if a majority in NI agree to exit the UK will we in Ireland have an opportunity to cast a vote.
If you consider changing the flag a prerequisite for unifcation, then you really don't understand the meaning of the colours of the Irish flag. The message was clear from the beginning of the Irish Republican movement: green (for the Roman Catholics), orange (for the Protestants), and white (for peace between them).
If I lived there i would be pro unification. NI is forgotten about by the rest of the UK and basically irrelevant in our elections. If they joined the South they would be a huge political constituency. Things generally work out better for more significant groups in any country.
I would see its more a case most of the rest of UK would be happy to see unification. The existence of Northern Ireland ruined Brexit which a lot of people were passionate about. I don't think unionists understand how little support they have on the mainland.
@d There really is not. The last YouGov poll said 37% of British people opposed Irish reunification 27% where in favour and the rest didn't care or didn't know. Most support comes from Tory voters and this is likely because the DUP often props up the Tory party. Edit to add: a lot of those 37% will probably be dead before long, as they will likely be older people
I personally have doubts that this issue is the main issue for most southern SF voters. Its largely a leftwing vote. And I think some of that is drifting away because of the immigration issue in very working class areas.
Not here for the politics, here for the accent. Wow! As someone from the Upper Midwest near the Canadian border, I only got every third or fourth word. Now, as far as the politics, we love Ireland, all of you, and hope you DO come together!
Waste of time asking this question now...way too soon. Ask in 5 years or so, after this next phase settles. But anyway, the older guy is incorrect to think people,,,as he says, 'down south' wouldn't want the hassle or make the changes. As a veteran, I totally disagree. They MOST CERTAINLY would, once all the details are on the table. Partition has been a UNMITIGATING DISASTER for the 6-of-the-9 counties of Ulster... and, as we all know, Brexit will continue to be a drag. A unified Ireland is the ONLY LONG TERM way. The majority in the Republic see that. But lets not rush, a decade at least to get all ducks in a row. But I do hope more people in the 6 counties, particularly middle ground, get involved in the discussion to shape the way forward. Letting things AS THEY ARE, as the older gentleman insinuated, might be wise presently, BUT certainly it's not the long term answer. It's merely, like uk Brexiteers, sticking ones head in the sand.
@@aengusryan5948 "...if unification happens they are off, they're moving to GB"? If they think they will be welcome there, they are doomed to disappointment.....
As a Scotsman if trouble starts up in Ireland again I'll be over to help the Northern Irish defend their sovereignty. The ulster scots deserve the freedom to live and prosper in the land they've carved out for themselves
You say, 'Help the northern Irish defend their sovereignty!!?' I guess you mean the decreasing number of right wing DUP/TUV/ & loyalists...yes? Not sure if you are aware how much has and is changing across the 32 counties of Ireland. A Nationalist party is now the largest party in the 6 counties and will only grow. Recently, Micheál Martin, the Tanaiste, (2nd in command!) in Dublin, delivered a key note address to the middle ground Alliance party AGM. What does that tell you? Quite apart from the SDLP and Sinn Féin, most Alliance members want to return to the EU. They know full well they can do this through unification. It's happening bit by bit and thankfully, unlike Brexit, slowly. Already, effectively, there is a all-ireland economy, all-ireland sports, growing all ireland approach to agriculture, tourism, energy, environmental issues etc etc. If I were you I'd save the fare across, and put your energy into achieving a fully independent Scotland. @@pevebe
The divisions up north still exist, catholics / protestants, Nationalists/ Unionists, Irish / British. It will come down to the usual head count and looking like catholic, nationalist, Irish tribe are moving ahead
Last election was Nationalists 38 Unionists 40 And middle ground 22 percent Id say it's still a long way off as not every Nationalist will vote for a UI and the middle ground are really soft unionists
Ireland is not Ireland anymore, its an extension of the European State dictated to by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. We have so called immigration, which in fact is saturation of the Island. This will eventually destroy the culture of natives on the Island of Ireland, North & South.
Ironically, the people saying they don't care about reunification because you can be friends with whomever you wish to be friends with, are actually stating an aspect of reunification. They don't remember a time when those friendships weren't possible. The EU and The Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement was essentially a quasi-reunification and that's what they grew up with. If The DUP had their way and the agreement was dissolved and a border had been erected between Ireland and Northern Ireland, they would likely have immediately become supporters of reunification.
Yea I feel bad for David trimble in the sense of he backed the GFA and alot of unionists never forgave him for it and switched from the UUP to the DUP Lot of people forget this alot of unionists didn't support the GFA because it gave equal rights to Catholics and actually gave them a voice in running their communities which they didn't want
I think we should be happy that things are as good as they are in this time. A united Ireland would be wonderous but only if it is a greater benefit to both those in the South and those in the North, otherwise it could revive old tensions. My estimate is that the window is still a couple generations away.
Both entities and people have long been the most terribly treated by the United Kingdom… Both had engineered famines, Clearances or Explusions and both are Gaelic Heartlands.
@@ANARDCUDUBH99 The Scots also were brutal exponents of the Empire. A lot of the Highland Clearances were carried out by native landowners, and far from being unique to Scotland the English people were subject to enclosures. It's rather amusing now hearing Scots reinvent themselves as the victims of the Empire they were instrumental in building. Ireland is a totally different matter of course; the Scots really did colonise Ulster.
@@RW-nr6bh Like Ireland, Scotland had its turncoats too when William Wallace & Robert The Bruce fought for Freedom…. Lowlanders were mostly in that category. The Scots originated from Ireland and specifically Ulster… The Romans called Ireland and her people The Scotti.
Being in the EU made the border drop down the list of people's priorities. Brexit has pushed it back up the list. NI did well out of the EU, grants and funding wise, now gone.
I went up north over Paddy's weekend. I went into a pub with my family and instantly thought, jesus I better mind what I say and was wondering would these people want me here. That is a terrible way we are made to feel in our own country.
As someone from the republic who is a nationalist in the sense of my political views I would not want to see a United ireland if it meant giving up the identity of the republic. A terrible thing some may say but from my perspective why should I have to give up my home to fit the ideals of someone who lets be honest doesn’t really want to live there.
Northern Irish persumed unionist here. Seems like there's a lot of support for reunification in younger demographics and moderate voters especially post Brexit. Central government and their former allies in the dup have made auch a meas that a reunification redemption within the next decade is inevitable.b
Give us down south a few years to sort our government out first though. They are doing their level best to make the place uninhabitable so we'll have to sort that out before we're ready to move forward. We've got to restructure government so it's not so corrupt and top-heavy, remove all the lunatic factions that have sprung up because of the government's attempt to turn it into a dictatorship, then begin to educate the remaining haters (a minority, but a loud one) who want all unionists out of the whole island rather than try to come to an agreement to live and let live. So, as you can see, there's a fair bit of housekeeping to be done before you move in, but we'll have the kettled boiled when you finally do 😁
There isn't a lot of support for it, this video just picked the responses they wanted to put on their channel to make it seem like that. All my protestant friends don't want a one Ireland, neither do I. I enjoy the country we have and don't want southern Irish ideas and social aspects mixed with ours, we certainly don't want the gang and crime problems Dublin has, or to be part of the EU.
Years ago there was a great quote by comic and raconteur James Young about sponsorship of the Arts, still available on the Digital Film Archive, I think. In his view it would stultify the freshness and inventiveness of the scene. He likened it to the Belfast worker who instead of his sausage bap for lunch would insist on fine dining on foie gras (sort of paraphrased there). It is a metaphor for the State of Northern Ireland, any semblance of the realities of its situation have been buried under political ambivalence funded by the British Exquequer. If we are to be funded as a British Region, then where are all the charges? Oh yes, we are British, but not Great Britain. Seems like that stretch of water is a border after all.
From the outside looking in it looks like the question is: "Do you want to be part of the UK or the EU? It seems like a no-brainer to me, but have no skin in the game.
But if everyone in the North has both passports, the no brainer option is to keep the status quo and play both sides for our own benefit... only jump ship when we know which one will be stronger
As an outsider and non-Irish, I wonder what Irish people in Northern Ireland think about leaving the British Union for the European Union in Ireland? If a reunified Ireland happens.🤔
Would a united ireland address the need for affordable housing throughout the island? We'd need to see what healthcare looks like, as it currently stands, neither system is without its problems, also what the hell is up with the car tax in ROI? that's a disgrace!
I mean it's a good question because I suspect in the event of a Yes vote alot of unionists will migrate from NI to the mainland UK which could free up some housing supply maybe some people in the south would move up north 🤔
No such thing as the ROI; this is IRELAND; that's the official name. ROI is a term to appease the foreigners up north; it's also the names of the rugby and soccer teams; more appeasement.
Ireland today sadly is Catholic in name only, though for many this is a cause for celebration. This therefore can no longer be a stick for protestant Northern Irish political classes to whip support for remaining in a union with a kingdom whose traditions are totally alien to those you say are yours. It is not a matter of NI accepting the ROI under certain terms and conditions but the ROI saying, join us if you would like to, or not. Ireland has worked damned hard to earn its place and reputation amongst the nations of the world and should not dilute its principles or prosperity for emotional blackmails. I'm sure Ireland would welcome with open arms all who wish to contribute and add to its continued success. So, the choice is yours NI, stay connected to my country, that sinking ship which is the UK or join for better or worse, the ROI. You could give it a try on your own by the way. Thems the choices.
The second guy raised an important point about the NHS and having to pay for healthcare in ROI. If NI leaves the UK, taxpayers should absolutely not be paying for the healthcare of a foreign country. If they want to keep it, stay in the UK. Simple as.
Both sides have advantages and disadvantages, truth is health care is not much better either side of the border.There is different benefits both side they just come in different ways.When it all boils down to it a lot of people reckon the Republic gives out a higher rate of benefit and wages are higher and property tax is way less than pole tax.But buying a car is way cheaper in northern Ireland, so I think it may be 6 of one and half a dozen of another. I do think the people on the island of Ireland would be far better off as 1 United country ,but it would take up to 15 yrs to iron out problems and get it running right.
I’ve noticed that my family in the states care FAR more than my family still in Tyrone, my family in Tyrone really aren’t motivated to see a United Ireland anymore due to just how calm things have gotten compared to how it was even in the 90s.
I used to believe in a UI, after 30 years and revising it I would not vote for a United Ireland, due in part of the fact that a UI would not be the independent sovereign state as proclaimed by Padraig Pearse wanted to achieve in 1916, the country has been bought and sold and changed so drastically there would be no point to it.
I don't think ppl up north grasp the reality of paying €60 everytime they want to see a GP, which is what I had to do when I lived down south. Housing seems to be a lot worse down south also. How many homeless in Dublin? How many in Belfast? You just don't see tents all over Belfast. I'm actually married to an Irish Catholic but I really think as much as it sounds nice on paper for Ireland to be united it just would be a giant mess.
i don't think you grasp the reality that it is almost impossible to see a GP up North. You only pay for a GP visit if you can afford it (50% of people are exempt from all charges). Many people in the North are actually paying to see a GP...privately. And it costs at least 3 times what you're paying in the South.
@@ballyhigh11 I live up north and just seen a GP a couple of weeks ago with no bother at all. When I lived in Dublin I was never exempt or asked if I can afford it. But Ok I see your point that NHS is far from perfect and the service is probably worse than that in some areas. My point is that as much as it sounds nice, I want to see some proper practical plans and solutions how would it all work rather than empty slogans about that it would be a "nice" thing to happen. I just don't want to live through some sort of big upheaval here
@@ballyhigh11 I talked to my GP just two days ago. Rang them in the morning and got an appointment for the afternoon. Even if you "can afford it", paying 50 quid each time I need a consultation will still make a dent in my budget and many people will simply not go there until they really have to
This opinion I've read that the UK doesn't want NI is a nonsense. It's about what is best for NI and what is right for NI. The UK did what it felt was right at the time, to keep as many people in NI safe. Controversial...? Yes, of course it was. But did it save lives at THAT time? Undeniably. Now thank god there's a form of peace in NI and long may that remain. Should Ireland become United if it can be done without bloodshed in the future? Imo the answer is Yes and I say that as a Brit. Does that mean we want rid of NI? NO!!!!! It's about what's best for NI, NOT what's best for the UK. Those that want to stay and live in a United Ireland can. Those who want no part of a United Ireland should be offered the same standard of housing on the mainland of the UK, IF that is their preference.
The older guy is right though that any vote needs to be a vote on a set out plan, not a vote on a simple yes or no with the details to be hashed out later (a la Brexit)
Unfortunately thats the most likely thing to happen. A simple majority vote on vauge promises is almost exactly what will happen.
this is actually something the south of irelnd leads the world in. look up "ireland The Citizens' Assembly"
The border poll will never be on a set plan, it will be a simple yes or no with the details to be hashed out later, that's just how these things go. The alternative is spending billions on plans for something that may never come to fruition. Would it be the smart thing to do from a planning perspective? absolutely, but even if the majority of the politicians could get together and agree, someone would use their veto to prevent it. We have to play with the cards we're dealt at the end of the day, we don't live in an ideal Northern Ireland.
@@ince55ant In number, sure, but they are generally ignored in most regards. Regardless, they would not be applicable (and even if they were, not binding) to NI, as its a different country.
Unionists will more or less offer status quo, I imagine Nationalists will do two things, the dream of a unified Ireland, and probably a promise of a land of milk and honey. which is ....unlikely. Everyone really needs to be really honest about the future, as its a massive issue. But I just dont see it happening. from either side.
@@tisFrancesfault Actually, all main political parties in Ireland have stated continuously that they have no intention of holding a border poll until we know exactly what we're voting for. It's far too sensitive an issue for a brexit style referendum...
Ask people about a united ireland. Goes to belfast...asks four people. Great story joe.
Yes, 2 Unionists and one girl that admits that doesn't give a shite about anything.
Dont pay for beer anymore
Why not ask people in Dublin? Do they want the baggage that would come with incorporating the north?
So they should have asked 100 people and made a 2 hour video then?
@@WaffleCake-q7d or maybe go to other counties & get the opinion north & south, wouldn't have to be 100 ppl or a 2 hour video to do that.
I used to live in Belfast for almost 2 years. I have a huge fondness for this city and NI in general. Wonderful memories, great people. Still fly in from time to time to visit familiar corners, meet with friends, climb Cave Hill and admire the Belfast skyline and the obligatory walk from Whiterocks Beach up to the Giant Causeway.
Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best.
much love from polish girl.😊
What a lovely Statemented Sentiment
written within good intent.
Always nice to read words
written from the ❤..&.. a place of kindness about Northern Ireland
I hope you're living happily.&. blessed
wherever you have relocated to also .
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@@glennhosick1514
Thank you for your kind comment.
We have a saying: ,,wszędzie dobrze, ale w domu najlepiej" it means ,,it is good everywhere, but best at home"...and although Northern Ireland will always have a special place in my heart, my place will always be where my thoughts, words, heart and soul are, that is, in my Poland...and yes, I live happily among the people I love.
I greet you warmly and, if you haven't been yet, come and explore my country.
I think you won't be disappointed.😊
I expected nothing less than such a thoughtful within meaning.&.warmth
Within thought from your good self.
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I also greet warmly!
The saying you have from the beautiful land..&..your home..of Poland.
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The lady was asking about our own homeland..in interview.
@Beautiful Northern Ireland.
My immediate thoughts lending towards.
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in sharing such!
That it is the Warmth.. kindness.&.Genuinty!!!
Of the People who make such a home.
I recall watching a documentary
with the lovely Miriam Margoyles.
Sitting @a dinner table somewhere
in the U.S🇱🇷
She extended the ??? to her hosts.
Which Country was polled.&.deemed the most warm within welcome
across the Globe!!
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When her reply was the endearing people of Northern Ireland 🤩😊
Which I gleaned from your reply!
You also received in such!!
I think to say that you found in our home!
Your 2nd home!
Is Very special.&. appreciated!!
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I've no doubt.
You will have more adventures future incoming.
Visiting both your friends.&. special places.
I hope you do so in both good health.&. happiness.
(Sorry for going on a bit in reply.
I do like to try answer as best I can.
Having friends here!
I'm sure you're used to such anyways!!😂😂)😊
As an Englishman I would say take the opportunity to leave the UK and become a part of a United Ireland. The UK is going downhill now with no sign of any form of recovery.
I’m 53 and been thinking about going myself. My great grandmother’s were all from Ireland North and South
While talking about Brexit, a friend of mine who's Irish asked me if I was Irish and I said, "I wish I were!" Funny how that trope has turned around 180º, thinking about John Lennon's song "Luck of The Irish".
I'd head south@@melaniebaldwin-l4n , the economy there is booming, it's pretty bleak in the north. If you have a house in the UK sell up, as house prices in ROI are pretty high. If you can avoid Dublin, I would, you will get a lot more for your money, especially since your major money making days are behind you (no offence). ........just as long as you vote yes in any unification border poll when it happens :)
Ireland looks no better.
@@melaniebaldwin-l4ni mean this with respect please dont come over here and sponge off the welfare system its bad enough already, iv noticed alot of this going on from people in the uk at the moment
Fair point. Uniting does not mean assimilating. I am kind of ashamed I never looked at it that way.
It seems like the united Ireland question is becoming less about identity and more about the practical issues
Yep, people gave their lives for freedom, some jailed some hung and some on hunger strikers and now their decendants are asking: "what kind of health care package would that be includin?'
The people I know in the South don’t want Ulster.
That’s not talked about in the video or here in the comments.
The South doesn’t want the crazies.
@matthewcollins8148 feel the same. Having the DUP in Dublin pushing for a new flag, national anthem, UlsterScot to be included in every road sign, anything emotional that doesn't actually give practical benefit .
DUP may not even take their seats in a united Ireland government although I think a new anthem and flag would have to happen since it would no longer be the same country anymore. Could see a few all island citizen assemblies to decide on those lol@@ginger8383
it was always about practical issues- The British wanted to annihilate us
Thank you for not just interviewing whoever has the most Rangers or Celtic tattoos, the extremes get way too much attention in the media.
Their choice of interviewees wasn't great. The young fella and the girl really don't have much of a clue and the old guy is so bitter it's ridiculous.
@@magaolinewood9268 Which I feel is vastly more representative of the reality of NI.
@@porcupineinapettingzoo These three people who haven't a notion is representative of "NI"?
That's absolutely false. A lot of people are incredibly engaged about politics like myself who, had they interviewed, wouldn't have spewed this apathetic nonsense.
@magaolinewood9268 let's make sure that we have you interviewed next time since you're such an expert on how all Northern Irish people think.
A February poll found 11% of respondents were unsure of how they would vote in a Border poll, they are the people who will decide the future of NI not those who are politically engaged whether you want to hear from them or not.
@@porcupineinapettingzoo Did I say I knew how "all people think" who pompous prick?
The fact remains for the sake of this video getting three people who haven't a clue what they're talking about made for a poor video.
Plus being undecided doesn't mean you aren't engaged either. There's a myth here that people aren't engaged in politics and you're peddling it. I would say people are very engaged here.
As a Scotsman from the Highlands (no West Coast mindset) I can only say some of the best holidays and times of my life have been had in Northern Ireland (and the Republic!!)....there's nothing else like Northern Irish hospitality mixed with a wicked sense of humour and a directness of opinion.....the majority of NI people I've encountered also had a very easy going outlook on life - at least that was my experience.
All I can say is that the issue of a United Ireland needs to be treated with the utmost care and respect for all sides - it would be unforgivable to see Northern Ireland slide back into divison and hate because politicians were too lazy to talk and understand.
What do you mean by West Coast mindset?
@@duncanfinlayson124 West Central Scotland mindset - sorry I should have been more accurate. Where there are still strong pockets of Unionist and Republican support - even if you don't have a view either way it can be hard to avoid.
I've heard this a few times that us N Irish are direct and straight talking. I never considered it which might suggest we are
@@Merc-ve4ue it's a gift....not a curse 🙂
As a Pakistani living in North Iberland, I look forward to a time in the future wher my people colonize what's left of this country.
Personally as an Irishman I don’t care what they decide to do but feel we should accommodate them either way. However I don’t personally think the times right just yet. I would prefer to see ni get more devolved powers and align their economic strategy more with the south and take advantage of the dual market access they have in order to mitigate the gaps they have economically with the south.
There is a route in GFA and it does involve them deciding to leave the union by referendum before they can then choose to negotiate a united Ireland. That vote can be on the same ballot and they can freely discuss plans with Dublin beforehand but it does give it some structure. As for the economy, there is no way in hell they could match the Republic which currently has the highest GDP in Europe. It will be a burden to take on NI and it'll cost a lot of money to regenerate the North. The large workforce in the North and need for workers in the South will ease this and long term it'd make Ireland wealthier. Its the anti-Brexit, it looks like it could be a bad thing but in reality it'll be re-unification bonuses all over the shop.
@kevinsmarts9953 agreed. Once the IDA get into the north the foreign investment will start pouring in, they are the best in Europe at their job. Everyone talks about NI as a burden, but few talk about it in terms of the potential it contains. More land, more ports, road & workers to further groe the all island economy.
The potential is definitely there. Access to both U.K. and EU markets. NI should be able to replicate the growth of the South. It’s been a long time. All the people in the South that I’ve listened to or spoken directly with don’t really see us as fellow Irish people. They refer to themselves as Irish instead of Irish republican or Southern Irish and always refer to us as Northern Irish. We are all Irish and many in the North identify that way and it can be alienating to be viewed as a separate people despite the fact we technically are. It’s odd.
If the south didn’t want us and the U.K. definitely doesn’t it’s a shame we couldn’t just graft it out as an independent nation but the economics of belonging to the U.K. seem to drain NI dry of any surplus they produce. NI has a good number of home grown business at scale exporting all over the world and an AI sector that is pumping out good work that London is getting credit for on the world stage.
@@onwardalone1182 we use "Northern Irish" to differentiate, and it implies Irish.
I love you guys
I used to think that we needed a united ireland ….as I get older I think we need a united people.
well said
Unionism is incompatible with democracy and uniting with any alternative viewpoint other than it's own.
A United Ireland based on equality, fairness and inclusion is the only way.
@funnyflix895 Unity requires a force that pulls people together. people unite when they have things in common. Could be anything common culture, common values, common enemies, common goals, common circumstances. Seems like today there's more forces tearing people apart than bringing them together and no one has anything in common.
Part of its a good thing as well as the bad, the reason we dont have fighting in northern ireland is people no longer cling to a group. Theres less tribalism but also less unity.
@Gerotzried LOL
You can’t have one without the other.
Glad to see basically no weird fervor about this issue from the (admittedly small) sample of people. Wishing you all the best, and be sure not to rush into anything for sentimental reasons. Status quos can be underrated. - An Irish-American resident of Taiwan.
First bloke saying people today didn't grow up with what he grew up with, and then the young woman who was 3rd confirmed it "we just don't care about that stuff" is exactly the progress I've been waiting for since 1998 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 the generation who didn't grow up with violence and division will be the ones to truly change NornIron. My generation saw the tail end of the conflict, but still saw some pretty bad things such as Armagh, a lot of hurt and pain remained for those in NI, so perhaps couldn't move past it as easily
So painful you can't even get the name right. Joker.
What is a norn iron?
@JustMeHere359such a horrific name!
the demographic reality of Northern Ireland is changing. It is no longer a Protestant majority, but it's also not (or marginally, if it is) a big Catholic majority either. What it is though, is a connected, young population who want to be highly mobile, who want to be citizens of the world. People want to go about their lives with happiness and with optimism. Maybe this generation will be the one which redefines the arguments.
Is the subject of staying British or reunification still so aligned to religion?
Ireland will be majority Muslim in time, inshallah
@@cordoroy9515 That was my question too. Is there still a majority who have religion ? I’m in the North of Scotland where religion in general is fading, and is just not thought about or talked about. There are loads of diverse churches with different faiths, but they are used by a small minority.
Astagfirullah! @@BAmalakas
@gordonmackenzie4512 Well, I'm the South of Scotland. I would say religion and politics down here is pretty non exsistent. We probably both know a section that ties the two together here but it must be a minority. I wonder if it's the same across the Irish Sea?
Far more measured responses than I was expecting - good on them for their sober reflection, I hope most people in NI are like that - most I've met have been lovely, from either community
my friends work in the government
The UK has never cared about the North. The people and government. The North is a political football.
Well NI is only a small part of the UK. They also are a big net beneficiary of UK money. So if NI did leave then it would take an economic hit. However, in the long term, it may be more successful.
Tbf NI is both heavily compensated, and has never desired to follow the rules of the rest of the UK, either by the Unionists nor Republicans.
Being English, I don’t care what happens as long as there’s peace and nobody gets hurt.
The north or where? NI is the UK.
@@ecnalms851NI is taking an economic hit being in the uk. I think being part of Ireland again would help the economy remember we ar not talking about NI independence we are talking about it going back to Irish rule again. Everywhere surrounding the uk is doing well... the uk is the sick place... even the English are fed up of it.
Many here in NI used to reply to the reunification question is what about the NHS..
That is now no longer a factor
It's fucked up here
With an increased number of GP's charging in NI the 2 systems are looking more and more like each other. A total reform for the whole island, more along the lines of South Korea would be ideal.
@@ciaradonnelly4627 Agreed but its a long was from where we were.
@@aengusryan5948 Its an opportunity to start again with policies and project that are fit for purpose. Look at the ports in Cork, Mogg moving his business to Dublin. Contracts streaming into Belfast as a direct result of brexit.
I have lived in the republic of Ireland the health service is free for people on benefits if your working you pay health insurance just like in the north
This was good. Would have been interesting to see a few more people interviewed.
I live in South. I hope to move just over the border and build/buy a house there as Northern Ireland is a much better place in my eyes. The Irish government has brought the south to it's knees. I do not wish for a united for this reason alone. The north are better off without the south.
You live in South - South of what? The Liffey? The Shannon?
So the North is a much better place than the South - in what areas? Health, crime, culture?
@@IrishSon Less non europeans are flooding the north
Absolute credit to this man who has endured so, so much and also being upfront with his thoughts
I like the attitude these people have, that was a heartening watch. I grew up - in England- during the troubles, and I well remember the killings on the news night after night. They are all right
I really wish to see Ireland Reunion ❤ and also the Reunion of Korea ❤
God Bless All 💓
There's a lot of myths about the two health systems. Outcomes are better in the Republic. Waiting lists are long, but shorter than in the north. Life expectancy is longer in the Republic. And the HSE is free to children pensioners, unemployed and low wage earners. I'm happy to pay a little as I can afford it, and I'm happy to subsidize those who can't pay. A federal united Ireland with a new flag and anthem and British citizenship for those in the north who want it.
A lot of common sense there. ☝️
Keep our flag it's a symbol of peace d white of peace between d green and orange 🇮🇪
@ivanvincent7534 Agreed . I've actually written an anthem in Irish with an a version in English also: "Ár dTír do Chách - A Land for All. " To the tune of Danny Boy!
That's the idea@@noelfleming3567 , but the unionists hate it (they associate it with the IRA). If it takes creating a new flag, I'm happy to do that. Don't get hung up on flags and imagery, leave that stuff to the loyalists.
That is all far too reasonable. You sir, do not have a future in politics ahead of you.
Tbf 2/4 guys in a black northface puffer jacket is pretty accurate demographics wise in ireland
I visited Northern Ireland and Belfast in 2019. Please people, don’t hate, kill or destroy such a beautiful and wonderful place.
You're about to see an influx of people give an opinion on an issue they don't know nothing about and a country they could barely tell you the capital of.
Must be 'refugees' arriving at Dublin airport who've miraculously lost their passports in transit, then. Don't worry, the Irish government will roll out the red carpet and give them a house, car, and social welfare.
So true 😂😂
If they don't tell you the capital is Cork, then they're not really Irish.
Surely the capital of Ireland is "I"....or "E" in gaelic?
@@Jcolbert123The only place Cork is the capital of………is Cork. Literally nobody else considers it the capital of anything.
So for people in the North who are curious, there hasn't been any official work done on preparing for a united Ireland because nobody wants to rock the boat until such a time when unification looks like it's going to happen but here's a general idea of what people who do talk about it think would happen.
Things like the anthem and the flag would be up for debate (the flag might be a blue or green background to a harp, the anthem could be a new one but it probably won't be Ireland's Call). Ulster Scots would be adopted as an official language.
Those who wish to retain British citizenship would be allowed to do so and there would likely be some kind of agreement with the UK regarding those currently on British pensions or who are in line to get them. Basically, if unification happens in your life time you can choose to have a British pension.
NHS hospitals would be transferred to the HSE (the Irish equivalent). The HSE is like the NHS but it's a two tiered system where health insurance is required to those earning over a certain amount. It's possible though that by the time unification happened, Ireland might have transitioned to something closer to the NHS and the act of unification might necessitate such a transition regardless.
Regarding the structure of a united Ireland, it's likely to be at least somewhat federal, with capitals in Dublin, Cork, Belfast and possibly Galway to ensure that unionists in Ulster don't suddenly lose their political voice. There may also be a new constitution drawn up to reflect the new reality.
In becoming part of Ireland, NI would obviously become part of an EU member state and enjoy EU rights. Furthermore, it's likely that the EU will provide funding during the transition process until the six counties are fully integrated into the Irish economy.
The tricolour is older than partition and stormont. I dont see why a new flag should be put in place. Bit of an insult to those who died for it.
@@dl5498the flag is decisive now. Nobody cares what the swastika actually means. Just like every unionist sees the tricolour as a negative.
I'd like to hear discussion the the St Patrick Cross. Unionists must be happy, it's literally going to mean the UK flag loses the cross, and Ireland takes it back. But then I'm guessing Irish see it as part of the UK flag only and don't want it flying over them.
Not Irish but as a supporter of Irish reunification the only concession I’d make if I was an Irish person in Ireland would be Ulster Scots as an official language.The flag absolutely should not be changed because the Tricolor has kind of been seen as the national flag since the mid1800s and the orange in the flag already represents the Protestants.The soldier’s song should stay cause it really symbolizes the ethnic Irish fighting 900 years of English oppression.Also “Ulster” Scots should remember that they’re the descendants of land thieves who benefitted from land stolen from native ethnic Irish.
Do agree though that Irish reunification should address the practical concerns of those hesitant on a United ireland(especially the fact that Ireland hasn’t yet gotten on board with universal healthcare🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️)
Speaking as a southern Irish person, who in their right mind is going to volunteer to pay 55 euros for a doctor's appointment when you can have free medical care. Utter madness!
@@SCK586 paying for healthcare in the South does not mean its better, you have to wait years here too for appointments even if you pay.
Where do you pay €55 I have to pay €70 & it’s not free for the English they pay a tax every year that gives them free medical care
@@pr3nd0 It is 55euro for a GP visit in Tipperary. I know the NHS is not free as such. I was a nurse in the UK and everybody paid National Insurance but the amount was relatively low and then care was free at the point of delivery. It was a fair system because nobody can help being ill or the extent of their illness. It is the best healthcare system in the world in my opinion (or it was when I lived there) and I hope the British people will be smart enough to protect it.
Speaking as a Southern......... born in N.I. and lives on the Shankhill, you know nothing about the Health service in Rep of Ireland.
@@rosemariewalsh1246 LIES, LIES, AND MORE LIES FROM A WEE MAN ON THE SHANKILL
I wish Ireland the best, and I think unification is on the horizon. They will be stronger together and although the memories are still painful it really seems that they have buried the hatchet.
We're nothing like you Brits and only time will tell
NO
Lets talk about this from both sides. I am a Irish man from the south, I hold culture and tradition very much in my heart and it matters to me from a standpoint of not just the southern views but also how it would effect and be implemented within the two countries. They talk about it being an "effort" yes it would be an effort nobody ever said it would be easy we all have been fighting holding pain and begrudging feelings towards each other, That be Irish against English, Irish against Irish, Protestant against Catholic we all have had some sort of reason to be effected by what has essentially been a huge chunk of our history and its apart of that identity. I will say we managed to actually fairly be able to bring both sides to the table state which are a must have within the new state that would be formed if we truly wished to settle our differences and actually come together as a people on this island we would have to listen maybe it would not be a perfect utopia or what many of us imagine it to be. I just want to see the people of Ireland united together rather then tear themselves apart to work together regardless to make that new chapter a possibility. There are so many things we could reform on both sides, I would be happy to take away the Tricolour, the anthem and other sacrifices if it meant we can both mutually benefit together as a people as something that actually expresses unity. One thing I would say free healthcare is something that should be implemented especially if it came to people under a certain income bracket, I would hope to see more promotion of culture as our identity as a people was so rich so unique and ancient that I find young people like myself are loosing touch reforms in how we teach our language, how it is implemented as to not scare people off make it more important in communities in the south. I know personally for 20 years of my life I thought it was "pointless" until I began to realise I felt so out of touch with my identity and heritage that it actually was causing those feelings of "not caring or being out of touch" with the society I lived in. We cant deny the past 800 years but both sides will need to make compromises to coexist after all that is what unification is all about and it should be done peacefully. I feel the government would need to be restructured in such a way we can root out the corruption to have strategies that are plaguing both sides and the failures which make young people not care or feel isolated from how their country is being run, There is no quick fix to these issues but we should be the ones to come together and work on it.
Northern Ireland has ended up in a great position. Still in the EU customs zone but can access cheaper goods from Britain and the NHS. The Republic of Ireland has suffered from too much money going after too little at the expense of ordinary people.
Irelandistan will be in force before Unity.
My ancestors were from the North of Ireland and i'd like to see a United Ireland 🇮🇪
Gosh I’d love to see the day Ireland became the Island of Ireland again.
I know that NI have to choose it but the healing an island of Ireland would create in us Irish would be amazing.
I as an Irish person think it doesn’t matter what the cost Ireland needs to stand as an Island for its self, its identity, its culture, it people, etc.
I lived in NI for 10 years, there's an ever dwindling number of people holding on to the old views. Most of the "Loyalists" I knew were pragmatic, when a United Ireland means they'll be better off than they currently are they'll vote for it. It's becoming more and more an economic choice rather than political. That said I think the realism amongst Unionists that they're currently voting for a Union that doesn't want them will take a while to sink in but when it does the matter will be sealed.
It's also a reality that southerners might not necessarily want a union either. A transition like this could be economically expensive
I think they know GB doesn't want them. They are not particularly loyal to Britain, only when it suits. Interestingly a lot of loyalists I have spoken with said they would move if unification ever happened.
It could be expensive, but with what Ireland is currently paying into the EU, that they should not need to pay in in the event of a United Ireland until they get back on their feet and money from extra trade, it would be worth it in the long run
Great comment.
@@edwardandrews4087 Really? I didn't hear anything about that
I'm Cornish who's mother is northern Irish and I now live there. The Irish as a whole are fantastic people with a great sense of humour.
the irish and northern irish are completely different, genetically and traditionally culture wise also
As an Irish republican from derry. Nah you’re alright. The Irish government is absolutely shocking
At least there's a government 😅
Thats not really being "an Irish republican" then is it?
Good luck, Ireland! Be Catholic and love everyone!
I’m Australian from transported 1818 Irish Catholic convict stock. I remember the Catholic/Protestant enmity from my childhood 1950s. At School we had a pic of the Pope on one wall, and a pic of Queen Elizabeth on the other. The English/Protestant vs Irish/Catholic minor enmity has gone now. We are much more non-European multicultural now. All we need to do is respect each other and our different historical traditions. Humanity comes first. I would like to see a United Ireland but only if the result is acceptable to everyone in both Northern Ireland and the Republic. We used to be six British colonies. Now we are a Federation of six independent States. I love my Irish ancestry. My convict was from Northern Ireland (Enniskillen) but a very Catholic family. Served his seven years and decided to stay on his land grant farm West of Sydney. He became a solid Catholic citizen who fed Sydney in the early years. That’s why I’m an Aussie.
the big issue is that it is not as simple as yes and no, there'll be a lot of minor details that delay it by a good few years, but it will happen i suspect by 2040, 2030 is still way too early
The GFA, an international binding treaty, states that the Secretary for Northern Ireland shall call a referendum on the matter if it seems likely that it would pass. If it comes to that, delay won’t be tolerated. Anything more than a couple of years, at the very most, won’t be acceptable.
Big issues could be, what flag to use, a new national anthem, metric or imperial, where would the government be?
@@tomkeegan3782 Ireland will not be changing to imperial. The U.K. is barely imperial and apart from the US and Liberia, it’s dead as a measurement system.
It just won't happen without the troubles flaring up again, and I hope it never does. People aren't going to sit by while their country and identity merges with another.
Tell that kid that health care is NOT free. Someone is paying for it by way of taxation!!
I'm Irish, lived in the north of Ireland my entire life. I've always wanted a united Ireland and still do, but we must do so by embracing the British people of the north. We can't rub it in and we shouldn't want to. I think deep down we each have a deep respect for our former enemies, going through a civil war against each other and we're all still here, we tried war we should try peace.
For those people concerned about funding for a unified Ireland there will be without doubt a financial package offered by the EU and the US to ease the transition to a United Ireland. The whole Islands economy would certainly be in a better position working together through agreement with common goals, which in turn would raise standards of living and economic growth.
Irish healthcare is a disaster...much worse than the NHS.
8 billion may be raising to 20 billion a year estimated !
Reunification is inevitable, demographic shifts show it. I’d assume the process will be within 10-15 years via referendum or otherwise. However, it needs to be a slow, accommodating approach.
Not really as the unionists have been having a baby boom for years now
Its increasingly going to become an economic question. The impact of incorporating NI will be hugely detrimental to ROIs economy
@@Hero-of-MidgarI can only think of one example. The reunification of Germany, East and West. That took a lot of effort at the time.
@@gordonmackenzie4512 It was pretty disastrous for the East German economy, at least initially. Sort of wonder if NI would be even worsely affected as it would lose its unique selling position as a "gateway" between UK and Ireland/EU. Would definitely require a lot of EU/UK funding support
The British would have to continue the same level of support for 25 years as the year before unification that would smooth out the process
I'm a foreigner and I'm curious. Hearing about the time of the Troubles in NI, one thing that stands out to me is that no one ever describes that period as a civil war, even though it seems to me it was a civil war. Why is that?
It plays down Britain's role in it.
Couldn't have a civil war in d colonies 😂😂😂
Good question. It was, a civil war in everything but name. Two warring factions, seeking political control, thousands killed, tens of thousands injured. This is , or was, seriously bad for the UK's image as a stable democracy. The crafty label of the "Troubles" makes it sound like an extended fight in a pub, and the name Norther Ireland means the vast majority of foreign ppl thought the war was in Ireland (the Republic) as opposed to the UK. Now, the war did spill into Ireland and Britain with bombs and killing, but 99% of rhe hostilities were contained inside NI. How many people outside the UK and Ireland actually understand that NI is a region within the UK? In my experience, very few. So, the name the "Troubles " was a key bit of image management by London, to limit the reputation all damage from a civil war on its territory. It was a very successful ploy.
Bigger countries are taking neighbouring land and proclaiming its theirs?
Because the Republican side were fighting to be part of another country ( as the political map demonstrates) One side considered themselves part of one country and the other side considered themselves part of another country.
So I suppose it can't be considered a civil war
Yes to a united Ireland. They are our 6 counties. They were taken and planted. We want a united Ireland. 👍🇮🇪🇮🇪
Yes planted... The plantation of Ulster 🙄
@ManannanmacLir69, good point. United ireland needs to forget the divisions of the past, which is what sinn fein are saying. We are the one people separated by religion and the differences in the religion is minimal!. The ira and previously the irish brotherhood were not about religion wolfe tone was a protestant robert emmet all brave irishmen who wanted freedom to bring the end of colonial rule to govern Ireland. Not be ruled by a foreign power who doesn't give 2 fecks about you.
@ManannanmacLir69 sadly its actually zionists!
In earlier times the irish invaded the west coast of England, Wales and Scotland killing the inhabitants and taking their land, so don't pretend you are the innocents, you invaded first.
Not with these racists there.
As a southerner, I don't care all that much. Even if a majority up north wanted to unify, i still don't think it would be all that fair to force loyalists into it. As long as we're at peace im easy with that.
A lot of loyalists I spoke to (bear in mind, loyalists are the die hard guys, not your average unionist) said that if there was unification, they would move to Britain. Happy days.
@@aengusryan5948 You see I don't agree with that. I don't think anyone should have to lose their home in all this. At the moment, anyone can live in the south if they do wish. Just think forcing it on even a minority is a bit unfair given they've live there for generations.
@@robertpirsig5011 You sound like a West Brit, if people in Ulster vote for unification are you going to wring your hands and stop it because of abunch of extremist loons? It's Ireland now not Britain, off they pop to blighty.
@robertpirsig5011 I know what you mean, but you're forgetting the irish people in the north were subjected to terrible treatment in an apartheid state. Refused housing, jobs, basic civil rights. If a few loyalists choose to move that's up to them, I won't lose any sleep over it. Their community had behaved terribly, abusing the power the British placed in their hands. It's a weird place NI. The sooner it ceases to be the better. Maybe then we can all just on with things.
Are you alright with nationalist being forced to live under Britain, with little or no democracy?
You have the final edit on who you put on here politics Joe.
I can't really pick up much from the opinions of two or three people
Union with Britain has been a calamity for Ireland.
Still is.
lol how about the latest plantation from EU? Not a calamity?
@@LostSouls-t2u we voted for freedom of movement over 30 years ago, and it has been proven to have been a spectacular success.
Brexit on the other hand was, is and will always be a disaster.
Northern Ireland voted against it.
@@LostSouls-t2uNot even slightly. Lots of lovely, productive young people coming over and helping grow our economy. You’d have to be a proper melt to think otherwise.
Free movement has been a disaster 😂most Irish are 8n London 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🤣🤣
@@zxgeorger you’re free not to go to Ireland.
aren´t the younger folk in this inspiring?
Reality hasn't worn them down to earth.
These folk sure are, but funny enough, right before this video, I happened upon a Channel 4 News video where they were talking to loyalist teens (their term), and all the old hard-line talk was coming out. I know these topics are always subjective depending on who you talk to, but it's great to hear the youth in this PoliticsJoe video ☮
Do the older folk who run things give them anything to be inspired about?
Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not. Young people (20-25) here are like the young people in all western countries now, uneducated or uncaring just wanting to go drinking or share memes.
@@Lolp821 You're joking right, today's youth is the most educated there's ever been hahah
Ireland as one. ☘
Ireland should be united again and work together to make Ireland stronger in the future
As an Irishman living in NI I'll say this much at least the Irish government give a shred of a shit about what goes on up here.
The British government have a "What was that ? Hmm it must have been the wind" attitude when it comes to NI if the Brits actually gave a damn then Brexit would not have happened.
A United Ireland cant come soon enough there is no possible way it could be worse in Ireland than it is here at least in Dublin people don't care where you're from or what religion you are.
Except The ROI is Dublin centric and those outside the pale are ignored
It's not a bed of roses in the south mate. I personally think, there is feck all point to it only to stir up trouble again. Even if a majority wanted to unify, I'm personally against making loyalists feel like they've lost their nationhood. We shouldn't ram something down their trouts even if it's the majority
@@robertpirsig5011I seriously wish this was the attitude over this way (England)
@@thefirm4606I'm English 🏴 and never heard of Ireland at all being mentioned. I have friends from the Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪 who have mentioned they want a United Ireland 🇮🇪 but it's not something I'm invented in so just say 'Thats amazing, hope it all works out for you'. Never really know what to say. I don't think many English 🏴 have an opinion as were more concerned with the mess our own country is in. Also a lot of my English 🏴 friends when asked will reply that they are 'English' and not British as they have no affiliation with Wales 🏴, Scotland 🏴 or Northern Ireland, so I don't think they are going to have an opinion on it. Hope it all works out for Ireland .
What? I was against Brexit but your comment is utterly stupid. How does the rest of uk voting for Brexit mean they don’t give a shit about NI. People have their own reasons and a lot of propaganda was spread to push brexit. But it certainly doesn’t mean people don’t give a shit about NI. That’s stupid and myopic.
I have seen this notion bandied around more than once in the media and public discourse. Why is it that advocating for the unification of Ireland is divisive, but advocating for Northern Ireland to remain a member of the United Kingdom isn't?
I guess maintaining the status quo isn't as disruptive? Something like that.
Not as disruptive for the brit and irish establishments that want staus quo and nothing else.@@diskopartizan0850
@@diskopartizan0850That’s an incredibly stupid way to think
@scoopin_17 go tell someone who thinks that way and see the reaction you get then
advocating for the unification of Ireland is inherently divisive. Not that's that's a bad thing or wrong, but your raising an issue that will clearly be very divisive and cause a lot of bitterness. The other side is saying just keep things as they are
Eira 32 💚🤍🧡
I'm Canadian and been to Northern Ireland a half-dozen times in the last 30 years ,My wife is fro there and visit her family ,. I've seen a huge difference since 1997 in how Ulster People view themselves, for the good mostly, lts a beautiful place and the the people are the best,!
Im an Irishman from Dublin. And i would welcome a united Ireland. The past is the past. Imagine how much more of a great country we could be and more economically strong we would be as one country.
What concessions would you offer to the unionist people? The flag and anthem will almost certainly have to go
We down the south haven’t got the money or power to hold another 6 county’s can’t even look after what we have at the moment so I wouldn’t be surprised if just stayed the same but I would love to see a united Ireland in my life time 🇮🇪🍀
Catholic nationalist protestant
Loyalist we are all the same human beings with the same love and emotion. Build a future together for everyone.
Nah
Very true.
@@TRUDEAUMUSTG0 what do you want then? Go back to the troubles or live in a peaceful society.
We're different people
Only the people of Northern Ireland can and will decide on their future, not the UK, ROI or the EU governments.
A gerrymandered border doesn't give anyone the right to do anything; and this is IRELAND, not the ROI
In memory of my great grandmother who participated in the Easter Uprising and then fled to America afterwards to avoid persecution, Tiocfaidh ár lá!
Tá sí beagnach tagtha mo chara!💚💚💚🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮
Division in Ireland is used to allow criminal activity to continue, extortion, excise duty evasion, fuel conversion, smuggling etc. It is very big business.
Same way football (soccer) in England is used by the government to keep the working class as drunken fools whilst their country goes to shit
It’s way past due that Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland should become one nation
The older gentleman hit the nail on the head: do people south of the border really want all the hassle of it all? To have to change our flag, our anthem, our constitution, maybe even our capital city? I doubt it.
People down South talk the talk, but what most don’t realise is that re-unification would mean “Brits in” (about one million of them) not “Brits out”.
Unless of course, if it proposed as some type of Anschluss and we say we aren’t changing anything (which may well happen), in which case I can’t see the people of Northern Ireland voting for it.
It is a non runner.
Irish citizens will not agree to the offering of gestures of appeasement to Unionists, such as changing our flag, anthem, constitution, etc al.
Unionists in NI will never agree to it anyway (thankfully).
After 25 years of the GFA, has it brought the communities together? More “Peace Walls” now than at any time during the conflict.
A divided Northern Ireland will not fit into a United Ireland. Never going to work.
Plenty down South happy to change much of our constitution and flag etc to build an equal future for all.
@@RebelofIrelandand many don’t.
I suppose we will all have to wait until the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland gives permission for a border poll in Northern Ireland to take place. Only if a majority in NI agree to exit the UK will we in Ireland have an opportunity to cast a vote.
FOR many of those coming in it won't just be Brits in, it'll be scorched earth in.
If you consider changing the flag a prerequisite for unifcation, then you really don't understand the meaning of the colours of the Irish flag. The message was clear from the beginning of the Irish Republican movement: green (for the Roman Catholics), orange (for the Protestants), and white (for peace between them).
To this day there are peace walls in Belfast, have a united Belfast first before a united ireland.
If I lived there i would be pro unification. NI is forgotten about by the rest of the UK and basically irrelevant in our elections. If they joined the South they would be a huge political constituency. Things generally work out better for more significant groups in any country.
I would see its more a case most of the rest of UK would be happy to see unification. The existence of Northern Ireland ruined Brexit which a lot of people were passionate about. I don't think unionists understand how little support they have on the mainland.
@EwanM11 plenty of support on the mainland
@d There really is not. The last YouGov poll said 37% of British people opposed Irish reunification 27% where in favour and the rest didn't care or didn't know. Most support comes from Tory voters and this is likely because the DUP often props up the Tory party.
Edit to add: a lot of those 37% will probably be dead before long, as they will likely be older people
@@jdfiendNo they don’t, have you ever seen Sammy Wilson and Donaldson speaking (shouting ) at Westminster the place is always empty, nobody cares!
@anniegrath1417 I said the mainland not Westminster
I personally have doubts that this issue is the main issue for most southern SF voters. Its largely a leftwing vote. And I think some of that is drifting away because of the immigration issue in very working class areas.
Ireland proved that wars CAN be negotiated to a real end, not just temporary truces but a lasting end
Inspirational, really...
Not here for the politics, here for the accent. Wow! As someone from the Upper Midwest near the Canadian border, I only got every third or fourth word. Now, as far as the politics, we love Ireland, all of you, and hope you DO come together!
Waste of time asking this question now...way too soon. Ask in 5 years or so, after this next phase settles. But anyway, the older guy is incorrect to think people,,,as he says, 'down south' wouldn't want the hassle or make the changes. As a veteran, I totally disagree. They MOST CERTAINLY would, once all the details are on the table. Partition has been a UNMITIGATING DISASTER for the 6-of-the-9 counties of Ulster... and, as we all know, Brexit will continue to be a drag. A unified Ireland is the ONLY LONG TERM way. The majority in the Republic see that. But lets not rush, a decade at least to get all ducks in a row. But I do hope more people in the 6 counties, particularly middle ground, get involved in the discussion to shape the way forward. Letting things AS THEY ARE, as the older gentleman insinuated, might be wise presently, BUT certainly it's not the long term answer. It's merely, like uk Brexiteers, sticking ones head in the sand.
Agreed. A whole bunch of loyalists I have spoken with (die hards) all said if unification happens they are off, they're moving to GB.
Whoa
@@aengusryan5948
"...if unification happens they are off, they're moving to GB"?
If they think they will be welcome there, they are doomed to disappointment.....
As a Scotsman if trouble starts up in Ireland again I'll be over to help the Northern Irish defend their sovereignty. The ulster scots deserve the freedom to live and prosper in the land they've carved out for themselves
You say, 'Help the northern Irish defend their sovereignty!!?' I guess you mean the decreasing number of right wing DUP/TUV/ & loyalists...yes? Not sure if you are aware how much has and is changing across the 32 counties of Ireland. A Nationalist party is now the largest party in the 6 counties and will only grow. Recently, Micheál Martin, the Tanaiste, (2nd in command!) in Dublin, delivered a key note address to the middle ground Alliance party AGM. What does that tell you? Quite apart from the SDLP and Sinn Féin, most Alliance members want to return to the EU. They know full well they can do this through unification. It's happening bit by bit and thankfully, unlike Brexit, slowly. Already, effectively, there is a all-ireland economy, all-ireland sports, growing all ireland approach to agriculture, tourism, energy, environmental issues etc etc. If I were you I'd save the fare across, and put your energy into achieving a fully independent Scotland. @@pevebe
The divisions up north still exist, catholics / protestants, Nationalists/ Unionists, Irish / British. It will come down to the usual head count and looking like catholic, nationalist, Irish tribe are moving ahead
Aren't you enlightened
Possibly true, but the middle now hold a significant sway. Also, only about 60% of unionists actually vote.
Last election was
Nationalists 38
Unionists 40
And middle ground 22 percent
Id say it's still a long way off as not every Nationalist will vote for a UI and the middle ground are really soft unionists
There are still catholics in Ireland?
We can all unite in taking our country back from the middle east.
Ireland is not Ireland anymore, its an extension of the European State dictated to by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
We have so called immigration, which in fact is saturation of the Island. This will eventually destroy the culture of natives on the Island of Ireland, North & South.
Young people are really the future. May this new generation find the peace so many before Ake for.
Ironically, the people saying they don't care about reunification because you can be friends with whomever you wish to be friends with, are actually stating an aspect of reunification. They don't remember a time when those friendships weren't possible. The EU and The Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement was essentially a quasi-reunification and that's what they grew up with. If The DUP had their way and the agreement was dissolved and a border had been erected between Ireland and Northern Ireland, they would likely have immediately become supporters of reunification.
Yea I feel bad for David trimble in the sense of he backed the GFA and alot of unionists never forgave him for it and switched from the UUP to the DUP
Lot of people forget this alot of unionists didn't support the GFA because it gave equal rights to Catholics and actually gave them a voice in running their communities which they didn't want
Your assuming that their indifference is an argument of a United Ireland forgetting that they are indifferent.
Let's keep our nordies....lm fine with the way things are,we have a bigger problem with unvetted migration and thats on both sides
The BREXIT vote showed how not to sell a constitutional change......do anything but that!
I think we should be happy that things are as good as they are in this time. A united Ireland would be wonderous but only if it is a greater benefit to both those in the South and those in the North, otherwise it could revive old tensions. My estimate is that the window is still a couple generations away.
Being part of little England is no longer so big a deal. Join with the experts in music, dance, literature and life instead.
Spot on, U2 are my favourite Anglo-Irish band.
For a long time now, I've thought there will be a united Ireland before an independent Scotland.
As long as they both happen, I am happy.
Agreed
Both entities and people have long been the most terribly treated by the United Kingdom… Both had engineered famines, Clearances or Explusions and both are Gaelic Heartlands.
@@ANARDCUDUBH99 The Scots also were brutal exponents of the Empire. A lot of the Highland Clearances were carried out by native landowners, and far from being unique to Scotland the English people were subject to enclosures.
It's rather amusing now hearing Scots reinvent themselves as the victims of the Empire they were instrumental in building.
Ireland is a totally different matter of course; the Scots really did colonise Ulster.
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Like Ireland, Scotland had its turncoats too when William Wallace & Robert The Bruce fought for Freedom…. Lowlanders were mostly in that category.
The Scots originated from Ireland and specifically Ulster… The Romans called Ireland and her people The Scotti.
Try asking more people…..and try asking more older people from a nationalist catholic area and let’s see what they have to say
A united Ireland would be a division but a divided Ireland would not be?
Being in the EU made the border drop down the list of people's priorities. Brexit has pushed it back up the list.
NI did well out of the EU, grants and funding wise, now gone.
I went up north over Paddy's weekend. I went into a pub with my family and instantly thought, jesus I better mind what I say and was wondering would these people want me here. That is a terrible way we are made to feel in our own country.
As someone from the republic who is a nationalist in the sense of my political views I would not want to see a United ireland if it meant giving up the identity of the republic. A terrible thing some may say but from my perspective why should I have to give up my home to fit the ideals of someone who lets be honest doesn’t really want to live there.
So you are a 26 county Nationalist. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Unification would not bring any benefits for Ireland.
Northern Irish persumed unionist here. Seems like there's a lot of support for reunification in younger demographics and moderate voters especially post Brexit.
Central government and their former allies in the dup have made auch a meas that a reunification redemption within the next decade is inevitable.b
Give us down south a few years to sort our government out first though. They are doing their level best to make the place uninhabitable so we'll have to sort that out before we're ready to move forward. We've got to restructure government so it's not so corrupt and top-heavy, remove all the lunatic factions that have sprung up because of the government's attempt to turn it into a dictatorship, then begin to educate the remaining haters (a minority, but a loud one) who want all unionists out of the whole island rather than try to come to an agreement to live and let live. So, as you can see, there's a fair bit of housekeeping to be done before you move in, but we'll have the kettled boiled when you finally do 😁
There isn't a lot of support for it, this video just picked the responses they wanted to put on their channel to make it seem like that. All my protestant friends don't want a one Ireland, neither do I. I enjoy the country we have and don't want southern Irish ideas and social aspects mixed with ours, we certainly don't want the gang and crime problems Dublin has, or to be part of the EU.
@@Lolp821 You're a dozy fool and irrelevant.
Years ago there was a great quote by comic and raconteur James Young about sponsorship of the Arts, still available on the Digital Film Archive, I think. In his view it would stultify the freshness and inventiveness of the scene. He likened it to the Belfast worker who instead of his sausage bap for lunch would insist on fine dining on foie gras (sort of paraphrased there). It is a metaphor for the State of Northern Ireland, any semblance of the realities of its situation have been buried under political ambivalence funded by the British Exquequer. If we are to be funded as a British Region, then where are all the charges? Oh yes, we are British, but not Great Britain. Seems like that stretch of water is a border after all.
From the outside looking in it looks like the question is: "Do you want to be part of the UK or the EU? It seems like a no-brainer to me, but have no skin in the game.
But if everyone in the North has both passports, the no brainer option is to keep the status quo and play both sides for our own benefit... only jump ship when we know which one will be stronger
Maybe I'll get a third passport if Scotland breaks off!
As an outsider and non-Irish, I wonder what Irish people in Northern Ireland think about leaving the British Union for the European Union in Ireland?
If a reunified Ireland happens.🤔
IT WON'T HAPPEN. DON'T WORRY.
Brits out 🇮🇪
Would a united ireland address the need for affordable housing throughout the island? We'd need to see what healthcare looks like, as it currently stands, neither system is without its problems, also what the hell is up with the car tax in ROI? that's a disgrace!
I mean it's a good question because I suspect in the event of a Yes vote alot of unionists will migrate from NI to the mainland UK which could free up some housing supply maybe some people in the south would move up north 🤔
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 No they will not, the Unionist population will remain as it is and there is no room up here.
@@robert6106 Thank goodness then you’re not coming to the mainland 🏴🏴
No such thing as the ROI; this is IRELAND; that's the official name. ROI is a term to appease the foreigners up north; it's also the names of the rugby and soccer teams; more appeasement.
@@anniegrath1417 The European main land? Britain is just another Island which is not our home, in fact much of Britain is no longer even British.
Ireland today sadly is Catholic in name only, though for many this is a cause for celebration. This therefore can no longer be a stick for protestant Northern Irish political classes to whip support for remaining in a union with a kingdom whose traditions are totally alien to those you say are yours.
It is not a matter of NI accepting the ROI under certain terms and conditions but the ROI saying, join us if you would like to, or not. Ireland has worked damned hard to earn its place and reputation amongst the nations of the world and should not dilute its principles or prosperity for emotional blackmails. I'm sure Ireland would welcome with open arms all who wish to contribute and add to its continued success.
So, the choice is yours NI, stay connected to my country, that sinking ship which is the UK or join for better or worse, the ROI. You could give it a try on your own by the way. Thems the choices.
The second guy raised an important point about the NHS and having to pay for healthcare in ROI. If NI leaves the UK, taxpayers should absolutely not be paying for the healthcare of a foreign country. If they want to keep it, stay in the UK. Simple as.
Both sides have advantages and disadvantages, truth is health care is not much better either side of the border.There is different benefits both side they just come in different ways.When it all boils down to it a lot of people reckon the Republic gives out a higher rate of benefit and wages are higher and property tax is way less than pole tax.But buying a car is way cheaper in northern Ireland, so I think it may be 6 of one and half a dozen of another. I do think the people on the island of Ireland would be far better off as 1 United country ,but it would take up to 15 yrs to iron out problems and get it running right.
To be honest I don’t want our flag to be changed or the national anthem.
'The kind of ''Free health care'' where you are on a waiting list for a dentist for years and spend hundreds of pounds on treatment 0:52
Broke a tooth recently and saw my dentist within two days. Don't believe everything you read in the Irish Times.
yes we do
Instead of fighting celebrate both cultures the Irish and the British together
I’ve noticed that my family in the states care FAR more than my family still in Tyrone, my family in Tyrone really aren’t motivated to see a United Ireland anymore due to just how calm things have gotten compared to how it was even in the 90s.
I used to believe in a UI, after 30 years and revising it I would not vote for a United Ireland, due in part of the fact that a UI would not be the independent sovereign state as proclaimed by Padraig Pearse wanted to achieve in 1916, the country has been bought and sold and changed so drastically there would be no point to it.
I don't think ppl up north grasp the reality of paying €60 everytime they want to see a GP, which is what I had to do when I lived down south. Housing seems to be a lot worse down south also. How many homeless in Dublin? How many in Belfast? You just don't see tents all over Belfast. I'm actually married to an Irish Catholic but I really think as much as it sounds nice on paper for Ireland to be united it just would be a giant mess.
i don't think you grasp the reality that it is almost impossible to see a GP up North. You only pay for a GP visit if you can afford it (50% of people are exempt from all charges). Many people in the North are actually paying to see a GP...privately. And it costs at least 3 times what you're paying in the South.
@@ballyhigh11 I live up north and just seen a GP a couple of weeks ago with no bother at all. When I lived in Dublin I was never exempt or asked if I can afford it. But Ok I see your point that NHS is far from perfect and the service is probably worse than that in some areas. My point is that as much as it sounds nice, I want to see some proper practical plans and solutions how would it all work rather than empty slogans about that it would be a "nice" thing to happen. I just don't want to live through some sort of big upheaval here
@@ballyhigh11 I talked to my GP just two days ago. Rang them in the morning and got an appointment for the afternoon. Even if you "can afford it", paying 50 quid each time I need a consultation will still make a dent in my budget and many people will simply not go there until they really have to
@@DariaSmyth Go back to the UK, all of ye, and we can unite our island.
This opinion I've read that the UK doesn't want NI is a nonsense. It's about what is best for NI and what is right for NI. The UK did what it felt was right at the time, to keep as many people in NI safe. Controversial...? Yes, of course it was. But did it save lives at THAT time? Undeniably. Now thank god there's a form of peace in NI and long may that remain. Should Ireland become United if it can be done without bloodshed in the future? Imo the answer is Yes and I say that as a Brit. Does that mean we want rid of NI? NO!!!!! It's about what's best for NI, NOT what's best for the UK.
Those that want to stay and live in a United Ireland can. Those who want no part of a United Ireland should be offered the same standard of housing on the mainland of the UK, IF that is their preference.
Ireland doesn't want NI; too much hassle.