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Here’s my take: it’s your equipment, sell if you think it’s right.
I agree. No need to make a long confusing video abt it. Just be straight and to the point that he has awesome gear to purchase and give us the link. He starts video off saying digital is “nailing it” so off with the tube amps and cabs and then ends video with there is nothing like a tube amp in the room pushing air through speakers 🤷♂️
@@hyperbolekid Well the guy has like ninety cabinets so i'm sure he'll still keep at least twenty
@@hyperbolekid Wait, you watched the video without reading the description first? 😆😆😆
Kyle's always got his links in the description.
You guys take this stuff personal. I dont mean you are butthurt. He is passing off a LOT of information that has nothing to do with the the title. You realize he pists these videos for education? For people to hear amps theyll never own. To understand how to dial in different tones associated with specific amps. Plus he says if something falls short of the hype to prevent others from potential buyers remorse. Its not always about the vantage point youre viewing from.
Definitely made some great points here. I don't see the digital vs analog as a "YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE" sort of thing. Each is a good option for specific applications. Just did a bunch of fly-in dates with an AMT distortion pedal/Quilter rig and it was great. Got home and played a couple shows with my Splawn Quickrod and it was also great. I look at it less as a "which one is better" and more like "oh cool, now I have some flexibility to make certain situations a little easier".
agree with this all 100%! Right tool for the job.
A Quilter Microblock and a Joyo British are so cheap, one wonders why everyone doesn't have one. 45w on a modern stage is plenty for most.
AMT Legend series. The 2s are brilliant, a nice clean available as well as your Peavey, Engl, Mesa etc. Speaker emulated or not or both.
An HX FX or Stomp and you're in "all you need" territory to cover a ton of ground.
@@belligerentamateur 35661 shipping for the Schecter USA Hellraiser 412 V30
Yup, had the AMT S2 pedal. Love it!
@@onepathforme I did a couple of tracks with the E1. My Tri AC jibed with me better, but the AMT did what it says on the tin.
I hope people dropping analog for digital will make the equipment available to us hobbyists.
Maybe this will open up a market where we can get proper schematics and recreate the amps, because the companies will be more focused on the digital market.
Exciting times ahead!
Probably where the modelers got the "models" from in the first place, to first emulate, and subsequently train their capturing devices
Yessss!
Maybe. We're in the strange market though of people over hoarding. Some people will turn right around just like this guy did and just have forty cabs for no reason
@@beefnacos6258 this is the real take, the hoarding is actually crazy these days I remember like 10 plus years ago when I was buying trading selling a lot more everyone was having fun, had a few amps and cabs. Now it’s like every other forum user/ hobbyist has 20 heads and 30 cabs it’s buzzarre
@@chrismccreight8207 because gear is not rare at all anymore. In 2003 a plexi head from the 70s was 5 grand. Probably cheaper now.
I always write with real amps. Moving air at volume makes the writing process more fun. I am going to hold onto most of my amps simply because its awesome to have a piece of tonal history. When I record I blend digital and analog. Both are awesome. At the end of the day an amp wall looks cooler than a laptop ;)
I have a now ancient MacBook Pro and I have way less into any one of my amps.
I like not just moving air but LOUD if I can. I've gotten publishable results from amp plugins, and did quite a bit with Tech 21 DIs.
But, when I had the option? Lol I'll get in the booth with the half stack. YBA1 full throttle, in the room with the drummer.
The interaction with the amp and guitar is part of the sauce, especially leads. Feedback is part of my style, and you don't get that with headphones.
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Try playing plugins through a big P.A System and it's pretty good.
I agree tho nothing better than a 100 watt tube amp and a 4x12.
Great episode!
It's striking to consider the impact that your demos will have on the future of musical tone, honestly. May your recordings yield similar successes and communicate their artists' sonic dreams with living fidelity.
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Dude you should, if you haven’t, make Impulse Responses on all of your cabs before you sell them off. I’d be going nuts to build custom libraries if I had access to a collection like that. So cool to see though, and it’s wild to see where modeling is heading, things are sounding pretty rad!
This
Late last year I bought my first 5150 + a 212 JUST for the experience of owning one (Actually posted this on your belligerent group around that time). Everytime I turn it on and boost it it puts a smile on my face. BUT with that said, for recording purposes I have my plugins for riffs and ideas on the spot. Funnily enough, my favorite has also been the Josh Middleton suite. I love how incredibly meticulous and detailed that dude is as a player and a tone guru. His digital block letter model felt like my own block letter miced up in the best possible way. Technology really is incredible now, but I don't think I'll sell my 5150 anytime soon. It's too much of an occasion and spectacle to me just plugging it in and being assaulted with the sizzle, the low end, the air.
Yes please! I would like another video on the ToneX and how to use it during a rehearsal for example (like through a power amp or directly into a mixer?!)
Only the Sith deals in absolute
Honestly, I'm 55 years old, started playing guitar after a few lessons when I was 12, learned my basic chords, and really put more focus into my playing around 14 or 15 years old. I really enjoyed the thrash and hardcore scene in those days. My work took me around the world, and my playing was more in starts and spurts when I had time. I picked up a POD when it first came out, and I thought it was absolutely fantastic device for practice. I tried amplifying it, but it never really sounded right. I'm around all kinds of gear in my day job, and I'm still a tube amp guy. I believe that given 10 years or so, the digital modelling amps will finally be able to truly give guitarists a cost effective option that will be "easy" to use (because modellers are not easy for first timers at all), and tube amps will be musical centerpieces to show off to astonished guests. They will be , for the most part, Art exhibits in a historical context. Unfortunately, after about 50 years, there will be very few actually operational tube amplifiers, because nobody will know how to fix them, so the lack of maintenance will be their downfall.
Do I understand guys building lightweight, compact, modelling rigs for gigging and practice? Yes. But what the newcomers will miss, is a stage with 4x12 cabs double stacked from end to end, a 18 piece drum kit in center, envolping the crowd in a sonic wave form, as a mass of lunatics circle in the middle of the audience, while attempting to get on the stage, and immediately jump off into the hands of other crazed supporters. The 4x12 wall is kind of a movable Stonehenge, one night only, for the worship of great heavy music.
I'll certainly miss that.
Even if a modeller can sound and feel exactly the same as a tube amp, I'll still always want the real thing cranked through a 4x12. I'll use the modelling stuff sure, it's super handy and convenient and practical. But it'll never replace a real life amp pushing massivr amounts of air. That's what gets me excited to play and write. I totally agree with you man
Solid State is a good middle ground. I have a modern Peavey Bandit 112 and it sounds good. Since it emulates a tube amp, it breaks up when you crank it. They're loud, sound great, are cheap to get used, and don't take up a ton of space. I use that as well as plugins and I don't feel as if I'm missing out on a real tube amp.
I'm in the middle of this situation I think. I have a Quilter Mach 3 200 watt head (weighs 4 lbs) that is analog solid state as a clean PLEXI platform and I use a Walrus Eras for high gain and boost with an overdrive to tighten the low end and it has worked for me. Kyle, thanks to you I took the plunge and got the Eras and the GupTech PedEQ pedal and they work amazing with my Quilter head. I plug the head to an IR and boom I am in my current high gain tone heaven. I can always change pedals if I want a different tone.
I did the ZÖTTER stuff on a Toneblock 201. Tweed tones out of the Quilter but mostly ran a Joyo Oxford into the fx return. Tauren & Carcosa for more filth.
Wampler has GREAT dirt, there's the Tech 21 Character series, AMT Letter series, and more at higher budgets like the Amptweaker Tightmetal, a 5150IAB from the og designer.
All analog options are endless. Digital, now you're just spoiled.
Whenever I hear digital amps on RUclips they sound AMAZE balls. Then I download the patch or do what they say on my device... sounds like ass pipe. I like digital a lot but am terrible at dialing them in. EDIT: So for home use I use my Diezel VHX and Roadster and my Helix is for dicking around or I might use it with the 4CM with my Roadster.
Live, a tube amp will never be replaced for the killer sound. Recording is where modelers are king and I'll stand by that and even in that place, axe fx and kemper are boomer modelers and now everyone uses plugins. It's also insanely easier carrying around a 50w amp than a huge modeler 6-8 unit rack flight case
In a professional environment I would say it is the exact opposite. Tube amps rule the studio because they aren't being abused by the rigors of the road, and modeling is taking over the road because of logistics. Shipping around a single rack is much easier and cheaper than shipping around amps cabs and mics. A lot of touring acts are already using modeling live, and I predict many more will convert every day.
I grew up using 5150's and Dual Recs out of V30 4x12s, but now I only own a helix and mostly run through VSTs when playing at home. Honestly, I love tube amps, but the value and quality of plugins are so incredible that now I see tube amps the same way I see luxury wall art. It looks cool, it makes you feel good for owning it, but it isn't practical in any way. So to me, the only reason I will ever buy another tube amp is to play it as a novelty or use it as a room or stage backdrop. It's unfortunate tbh.
How do you make the plugins sound good?? My neural dsp plugins sound processed and nothing like my tube amp at all. It’s good when I need to do low volume practice, but it’s not comparable to my tube amp at all.
@@evriph because it's not as good
They're all tools to achieve creation. I love my Mesa Boogie Dual Rec but I'm blown away by a lot of the amp sims I've tried too. The ease of recording a killer sounding guitar track on my desktop has freed my creativity.
Hi Kyle, great vid !! 🤟🤟🤟🤟 my gear now is 1 solid state head and 3 preamp pedals my head on its own sounds close to a super lead using the front !!!
Like what you like. That's the important thing.
Something people forget is that pretty much every piece of music you've listened to in the last 40 or so years has gone through an ADC and/or DAC at some point in the signal chain. Whether that's modelers or digital FX in the recording, DSP at the soundboard at a live show, or simply listening to music on a format different that what it was recorded to. There's no analog audio on the internet. CDs aren't analog. Many tape decks and turntables had digital componentry on them, especially modern ones. Even modern vinyl records themselves usually were recorded and mixed digitally and only sent out through the DAC in mastering. Short of some prohibitively expensive direct to vinyl/direct to tape gimmick for an album, the last truly analog sounds we've made were done back in the 60s and maybe the 70s.
The more i've lusted over gear, the more i've learned about how these pieces of electronics actually function, and the more i learned about how music is distributed to the listener, the more i realize that i care about the sound, not the thing that makes the sound. If I can get something that sounds like Three Days Grace's One X guitar tone (as an example), then that's what i want. To me, it doesn't matter if it's a VH4 and whatever cab Barry was using (along with all the post production involved), a solid state knock off amp, a VST plugin, or some other digital model. I'd play through a bottle of soy sauce if it got me that sound
the part at the end where you add another amp to the wall... thats my fav part.
more of that please
Another great vid
I love both, they're all tools. I cant record loud tubes at home, so digital works, and in the mix, very difficult to tell the difference. Its a mental thing too. When im playing a modeller im not thinking of amp in the room tone, I'm thinking studio tone, so the whole air pushing thing does cross my mind. Then other times i need a live amp for a gig where in that case ill use the modeller in to the effect return and get the tube power amp stage, with the amp model im familiar with. Or if its a simple gig, just the amp and a little tuner. No need to pick a side, use the best tool for you for the moment!
As long as there is no Peavey Ultra Plus 120 plugin I’m holding onto my baby haha
But, I’m in your same line of thought. I love my amp and pedals and I’ll use them whenever BUT I have started with digital stuff way before having my “real deal” gear. From plugins to my Ampero with a solid state poweramp I love that stuff as well and I can use them in my home, where as my amp is in my rehearsal space.
Love them both.
There is a great Ultra capture for NAM, neural amp modeler. Fabdef is the user who uploaded it, they sound awesome!
@@PippPriss I still have to make the leap and try out NAM
I use modeling with tube power. Wet/dry mono. It's damn good. Very good.. But I will never sell my Mesa Rectifier. It just has something that I truly love.
People sold off their classic cars in the 60s and 70s now look how much $ they demand now.. if you don't need the cash then save that collection... it's going to be valuable and hard to find in the future
I have a JVM205H as my main amp that does everything I want + 1 good cab. I also have a 5150II because I think it’s a cool amp, and a VS8100 for nostalgic reasons. That’s it, won’t be buying anything else because it just isn’t necessary: I’m already getting the sounds I like. I see your point in selling most of your gear, what good is it when you hardly ever use it?
I also like the practicality of amp sims and modelers for recording or gigging, but to me it will always remain an imitation of the real thing that will become old and will always be surpassed by something newer and better. Like a computer. Tube amps on the other hand will always be loved and cherished, for the simple reason they produce the actual sound that every piece of software is trying to recreate.
I'm a tube amp tech and I will always be in demand for actual vintage amps because everything that's PCB based will eventually fail, parts and schematics are impossible to get and they will all eventually end up in a landfill.
I've much pretty done away with most of my amps I still have a couple. It's just so much easier plugging into my interface and pick any amp I want to play at anytime day or night. I don't have to worry about awaking anyone or replacing tubes. Just more practical in every situation.
For playing through headphones, tracking demos, learning covers etc I use the HX Stomp or any number of amp sims that I have. Live though I just haven't been able to make the jump to digital in a satisfactory way. They just feel sterile to me. Any one of my 100 watt amps and a 4x12 always feels like a living breathing thing behind me and it makes me smile. 🤘🤘🤘
I'm a fence walker. My amp is hybrid with tube preamp and transformer power amp (Victory pedal amp). I can load it with whatever IR I want and XLR out to my interface. And I like collecting plugins.
I'm extremely interested. Which Peavey amplifier do you have for sale that is as versatile as possible?
I like tube amps, grew up on tube amps, will always use tube amps. That being said, I have my fair share of plugins. Both have their place in any given situation. If I'm practicing, I usually gravitate towards plugins. When I'm playing live, amps with be on that stage.
Agree Kyle! I think STL Tones has it going on.
Modeling has only scratched the surface of it's capabilities to date. AI learning will take it to the next level. The capability to null a modeled amp against the amp it's copying is the way forward in my opinion. Once you achieve a null, you have effectively eliminated the differences. And that's old school tech!
Love my Fractal FM-3 for practice and recording. Also love my physical amps (Marshall, Soldano, Mesa) for not having to wear headphones all the time. Though mentally preparing myself for the time when no more tubes are being produced and we all HAVE to go digital. Hopefully that is in the far far far future. But yeah.... the high end modeling stuff is already "there" in terms replacing physical amps for most situations.
Yes to further Tone X exploration. My current life situation 100% relies on volume control, spacial limitations, portability, and total cost as hardliners factors. As a result, the luxury of a cranked tube amp is unobtainable for at present. Digital is literally my only option at present, and I'm damn grateful that format has developed in the ways it has recently. I can easily live out of a van as a nomad, and still easily write, record, and distribute my music even under those conditions.
Vinyl is still is being used and its been technically obsolete for several times over. If you prefer the sound and experience of a tube amp keep the amps.
Yes!!! Keep em coming bois. Bring down the price of those amps!!!!
I'm definitely a fence walker.. what I like to do is run a digital unit with a audio tube output power source.. it combines the best of both worlds.. I also use external pedals before the digital unit.. as well as in the fx loops.. meanest tones I've ever been ever to dial in.
This really seems to be a discussion about practicality. No one who owns a tube amp appears to be willing to go to owning zero tube amps. Some think it's more practical to take sims on the road with a bunch of different reasons. Some are saying that they can get the sound of owning many many heads, while only owning one or two. Many are saying that sims/captures yield better recording results than what they can get with a mic in their recording situations. Most people just don't have the money or space for the tube amp and cabinet collection that they would really like, but sims let them get a little taste of what that must be like.
I have a Diezel Herbert and an ISP Theta Pro Dsp MS unit. I love them both and each excells for different reasons. I say, listen with your ears and make an informed decision by watching videos like Mr. BUll"s here. That how i got my equipment and have been very satisfied with it. I got good headphones, a good stereo, and computer, and listened to and watched many videos to make my decision. I never heard them in person, but got a real close idea what they sounded like from well recorded youtube videos. And learned how they work.
Yes! A follow up vid on the Tonex, please! I ready to purchase soon
Good video, I think the future is mostly digital. I went digital a couple of years ago, with a mk2 Katana head, then I got a GT-1000, and I've dabbled with iRig and Amplitube. It all sounds great at any volume, where as my old 30w Boogie sounded sh*t with the volume at 2 or 3. Even my current #4 Orange head sounds sh*t at 7w setting at neighbour-friendly volumes.
I have a bad back, so these days I go to the rehearsal studio with just my GT-1000 and a guitar. Happy days, and if the GT is good enough for Nita Strauss, it's definitely more than enough for me :D
Also (stealth edit!) less amps means more money for more guitars!
Incandescent light bulbs were supposed to become unavailable, but you can still buy them. A lot of people prefer them...
I'm about 3 minutes in... yes a lot of people are toxic on social media (modeling vs tube amps) but that's really nothing new.
I remember looking at forums years ago and some of them were absolute dumpster fires. Everyone loved to bash on the Peavy triple X back then on forums claiming it was a jar of wasps.
I own a HX stomp. It's awesome. Great for silent practice and lots of cool experimentation to try.
I also own a 6505+, a triple X, a 5150 III, some mini amps, H&K Vortex and an Orange CR120.... people can enjoy both. I think we're just a silent group that doesn't get into pointless online fights.
Just my thoughts/opinion
Here is where it’s at. Tubes, digital it’s all good. Whatever floats your boat is correct for you.
To be honest been analog for very long time but on my new project I tested digital and having diezel mesa and orange on the same song without having full truck of gear on tour make huge difference
Hey wait. Im a fence walker. I love tube amps and i love some of the latest digital offerings. ToneX is on my radar. Still interested in the mooer preamp live. But i dont plan on selling my tube amps any time soon. Definitely not selling my 100 watt el34 evh head. Maybe sell the others eventually. But ueah they can be troublesome. Yeah they are heavy. But there is a certain novelty to micing a real amp and cab. Do i think its "better"? Yes, no, maybe... who knows?! The line is so blurred now, i dont think it matters anymore. If you like amps but hate lugging them around, have an amp at home and bring digital to gigs. Kinda where im headed now myself. I have my tube rig kicking ass but i dont wanna bring it anywhere so im looking to invest in a tonex and a couple seymour duncan powerstage's (i like running stereo).
Hell i have a tube half stack i want to sell or trade for a tonex and seymour duncan amps.
Just buy the SD 700 that’s the stereo version.
Btw fence walker 100%
In our old rehearsal space we could leave everything there but in our new one we have to take to much our gear back home so went digital with one 212 cab,… is it more balls to the walls with a 100 watt a 412 yes, is it horrible with a digital solution, no far from it. It’s about rehearsing not about tone chasing.
@@ithebastardking2800 i have considered the sd700 but isn't it a rack unit? Im wanting the smaller ones to fit on my pedalboard. But if the 700 comes in a more of a pedal platform, im all in.
@@smeemusic you can place it in a 19inch rack, but you can use as a standalone too. It fits in my guitar gigbag and just put it on top of one of my cabs.
I have one amp, one cab, one pedalboard, one main guitar. It took me a while to find what I was looking for in each, but it is enough. All you need!
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Hear hear!
I love both! People out there who think you need to 'choose' are just weird. I am downsizing my small head collection a bit but that's only because, for recording purposes, it's impractical for me. You CAN get pretty much the same sounds out of plugins. I'm always going to have a couple of heads and my 4x12 though. Not to mention my mess of pedals.
I offered a guy yesterday on Marketplace $350 for a Randall rg1003 and he told me that offer was so low that he'd rather "use it to trash in a music video"... (He was asking $420).. I thought wow, i offered him $50 more than its worth and only $70 less than what he was asking... So yeah Im still looking for one... lmao (also... What your describing in the video reminds me a bit of when music went from tapes and CD's to MP3... There are still gonna people who want the look and feel of the classics)
The main reason I don't switch is that I own a 6534+, a JSX, and a 3120 and I don't play in a band much or record bands so I don't feel the need to sell it and buy more stuff. If I was younger and flying around on tour in Europe or something I would probably just go for Axe FX or something
The POD with a good cab would definitely be an interesting video
Yesss i want to see more of the tonex!!
I love the channel man !!!
I love the line, "my favorite part about playing guitar is cranking up a half stack, or if I'm feeling very belligerent, a full stack, and just feeling that"
No truer words have been said. That's what ear plugs are for!!!
Ear plugs suck.
I haven’t tried iems though . I wonder how useful they can be bc even earplugs let it a mushy tone so that would seem to still be there with iem’s.
@@heythere6983 iems can help with the mushy tone and also keep the SPL to safe levels since they often seal around the ear.
No need for 20 amps but I'll never get rid of my favorite heads. Imitated but NEVER duplicated.
I sold my 87 marshall jcm 800 and i regret it so much, nothing will replace that tone it had
Great vid Bro. I'm an analogue guy but I do own a Positive Grid Bias Amp 2 . Everything out there can be used in many different ways. The one big difference I see is that using the modeling gear in a live situation can be a nightmare if the FRONT OF HOUSE tech isn't familiar with how to deal with mixing a direct feed. In DETROIT we've got an army of HELEN KELLERs at the helm. Very few sound tech are capable of actually delivering a good mix, let alone, a blend of digital and anologue feeds. The good sound techs in Detroit are busy. The rest....well...those are the ones that punish the audiences in Detroit. So, for as much as I'd like to use a modeling amp in a live situation, it's pretty scary because of the lack of skill in audio reinforcement here. Good luck everyone.
For tidy, lower weight, lower cost touring, recall, sync, digital rigs win. Convenience however, is a demon. Demons feed on easy meat, control etc, so in the words of Philip K. Dick “Just because something bears the aspect of the inevitable one should not, therefore, go along willingly with it.”. Diversification (having both) is your friend. The tactile realm is a lovely place...you actually learn something. :)
Now that we have Axe FX - Kemper - Neural DSP Quad Cortex - Tone X and the Line 6 stuff. There is no need for tons of gear. I am starting to like the minimalist approach though.
I'm an old timer. Been playing guitar since 1987, when there weren't many options available. I remember when the first modeling amp came out, the Johnson Millennium. It wasn't complete garbage but it definitely didn't replicate the amps it was trying to sound like. That being said I have seen leaps and bounds in technology as of late and i honestly believe that within the next 10 years the chore of lugging around heavy tube amps and the exorbitant costs associated with them will be a thing of the past. Not to mention the maintenance costs that come with them. If and when digital amps can successfully duplicate the warm overdrive of a tube amp, I'll be the first on board. It will be a win for everyone. Everyone except for boutique amp makers. The sound of their $4,000 amp will be available for free, as a download.
Hey Kyle, I can see your point. I have played guitar for 30 years now, and seen trends come and go. I do not think these digital products are going away. I have a BOSS Katana, and it is amazing. I have tried the Helix, and AxeFx. They are very good as well.
But if you are a recording artist, I would hold on to your gear. At least some of it. Sometimes an amp sim just doesn't cut it, and analog gear can give you the "feel" that makes you get a perfect take while recording.
The Neural Amp Modeler is amazing (and FREE!) and it works just like the ToneX. But it is so close, that i cannot tell the difference anymore. So when I go to record? It will be the NAM app.
Is the tonex usable with a 212 cab or is it just usable with w computer? Maybe its a silly question but i never used any of those pedals . And i would be interested to learn more about them!
STL Josh Middleton and the Neural DSP Gojira plug-ins are my two go to amp simulators. They sound and feel really good.
I love a good tube amp, but for the price of a single tube amp, I can pickup an FM3, HX Stomp and a ToneX pedal. And the digital stuff sounds pretty damn good these days.
Exactly baby
I see a future of subscription profiles.. physical amps will come back then.. new tech is cool but I'm not fully sold on their intention.
I use plugins on my PC when I am trying to keep volume down. From what I hear, digital does not sound the same. So this leads me to ask a question, When it comes to guitar tone, speakers make the biggest difference, how do I know I am getting a true representation of a Mesa 4x12 with the studio monitors I am using? Wouldnt the quality of the monitor make a huge difference?
Edit** I bought an amp off Kyle and can say it was extremely well packed and got here in perfect condition. Thanks Kyle, finally got a Mesa back in my collection.
I love the sound of modern plugsins/vsts but there's just nothing like windmilling an A chord in front of a loud head/4x12. But, I never go grab a physical amp anymore if I just want to record. Leaves me more time for playing & less for mic setting & the other bs that goes on with gettign a good recording.
Great video! I applaud your grasping of reality.
Some of us older people like the plug and play aspect of tube amps. Getting a headache with digital crap isn't ever going to be an option.
Only about half way into the video as of leaving this comment, but I need to offer this before it leaves my brain:
I don't think tube amps will ever go away. The ease of access for digital amps is amazing but they always need a reference point. If that reference point stops being made, then the digital amps will take a massive dive which will then require the main analog amps to be made again. I feel it's a symbiotic relationship. I am an avid Tonex enjoyer, but the Tonex isn't worth anything without the amps it profiles.
Totally agree
Good stuff man, there is certainly something to be said for tubes. Jamming in a band with headphones is definitely not the best experience, I can't wait until we can actually jam in a room with loud as hell gear. Also brought the Tonex to the most recent jam and it was a pain in the hole to get dialed in as far as levels and so on, the UI is terrible as a live unit, more of a bedroom jammer's dream unit. Video coming soon!
Hope you're doing well! Cheers man
It's not about analog sounds better, it's about convenience.
I love my tube amp, but I use it only when I can play it loud. Otherwise, I am playing at low bedroom level (or even through headphones, cause family is sleeping), so going digital is way more convenient for this situation.
My only problem with plugins is that, like all big tech and corpo, theyll eventually make it as expensive and annoying a habit to maintain as they can once they completely dominate the market
It goes beyond the debate of analog vs digital. Just in a few years from now even guitar parts will be made entirely with software using AI for recording. The traditionnal studio musician as we know it will be a thing from the past.
Theres people that are on both sides just like you. I’m one of them Yes I’ve gone Digital with a Axe FX III Turbo but my Marshall JMP-1/9200/1936, ADA Mp1 will always be in my collection and part of my rig. Why I love tubes and these units but I also appreciate the convenience of digital and use tube and digital together.
It's really eye opening to hear you say that about the STL Tones plugins and others. It speaks volumes that the digital recreations are so good that someone who actually owns the amps can't be bothered to drag them out.
I think you focusing on being creative more than hear is 100 percent the right choice . Tone chasing never ends . More time spent writing is always the best option .
I'm proud of you bro I know it's hard to come up off of gear, but if you don't need it you don't need it
Now days, I use all my tube amps in the studio. For portability It HAS been a Quilter Tone Block 200 with a ISP Theta preamp. Recently got the BluGuitar Iridium. WOW that changed the game for me. Now because of the BluGuitar Iridium I am thinking about selling my heavy tube amps. It does the Fender to Marshall 800 and beyond. I am not finding a need for my heavy expensive tube amps anymore. As for the digital stuff...I have tried some products. Sounds great recording but misses the mark live in front of a 4x12. The feel is different. Dose the audience notice. I bet not. The guitarist does.
Some more tonex vids would be great thanks for the content Kyle !
A digital sound is simply a single audio photo. A real tube amp makes 3.2 million audio photos until the first one will re-appear.
It is the same for a digital piano one sound repeated every time you hit the same note.
I love my actual amps and I love the sims that I have. For tracking purposes it's just so much easier to use the sims but I prefer to reamp through the particular rig(s) that I have built for whatever purposes. Nothing wrong here IMO. Do your thing Kyle!!!
As a hobbyist, it's easiest to plug my guitar in, hit the on switch, then play. Setting up my computer or Ipad through my montiors, DAW, other physical things needed to connect is just a hassle.
I believe it's going to be like vinyl records vs CD's vs downloads. The latest invention/ trend will dominate the market; but there will always be a demand for the more antiquated forms as well. Vinyl isn't going away, and neither will tube amps.
People also said that budget oriented economy cars would take over and kill the luxury cars industry when Henry Ford released the model T... in 1908.
If you have the space and budget to afford it and you like it I say keep the gear. It’s not only the real deal but we need you the ones who can have it, so it doesn’t fade. I can’t have the gear I’d like housing here and my budget won’t let me. I’m not good at figuring out how to make big money enough to rent or buy a house where I could have a real drum kit, amps, cabs and everything to play loud as the duck I want. So I’m ok with amp sims and so. There’s no one around here to put a band of my likes together so, that’s it for me, I barely bother to finish tracks, I just play and record some riffs and lately play drums (e-drums) on them and have a blast. Need no more I guess.
Switched a few years ago to line 6 helix and to Fractal last year. Couldn’t be happier 🥰🤘🏻
I'm going the other way. I used alot of software like guitar rig in the past, but now getting into real amps and pedals. The tactile nature of knobs and switches is just more fun to me.
Would love a follow up tone x video. Maybe try some power amp pedals with it to give us ideas for rigs. Seymour Duncan power stage is good but pricey and there has to be some you haven't tried yet.
@2:18 I still have my Johnson J Station that I run into my TC Electronic IR loader pedal. It actually sounds pretty good.
Just buy a Helix and 4CM it through your favorite amp. You won't miss much, and you'll gain more than you think.
Great vid! I do find problem with your analysis of digital board amp, and it's more cultural I believe. There was a time when people had to memorize phone numbers; now people sometimes forget their own. Point is, just because a "plugin" can duplicate the tone of one's gear, doesn't teach you how to achieve that tone in the first place. I find the convenience of having it there already will have unforseen affects on future guitarists as a whole. Then again, whom am I to judge. A great tool is a great tool...so long as it stays as a tool!
I think there is a middle group which is Kemper owners who bought Kemper to profile their favourite amp and have similar tone on the stage.
I am dissapointed with Kemper, company approach to our feedback, profiling accuracy (rather tone than feel, weird), but it seems it is the only hardware right which is easy to imitate in-room sound (it has dedicated poweramp, and you can buy special DI box to capture speaker out)
I hope one day we will see some commercial HW platform/profiler for the free NAM software which is getting great reviews lately
Use the right tool for the job. For me it’s live playing and my Helix into a power amp and cab sounds the same in a live scenario as my tube amps did. Literally sold off my SC20H and 5150 stealth this past week. I’d been just Helix before, but honestly I missed the look of the real amps. I’m over it now.
I use my Kemper Stage for live use exclusively, but I will NEVER turn my nose up at a good amp and cab 👊
I’m still enjoying the hybrid scene, or using my tube pedal into the front of a solid state.
That shirt or lack thereof 🤣 Softube Amp Room is the reason I went ampless bar one Fender. Having just one amp if anything makes me more productive.
I use entirely digital for recording.
I've also gone entirely shirtless at times when using digital 😜
The synergy stuff seems like the perfect answer for those who want a wide range of sounds without giving up analog response and tube feel. A syn 1 with a ksr pa 50 is super versatile and portable and probably going to be my forever rig from now on.
I sold off my collection of 80’s and 90’s high gain amps Mikes and shielded stage working guitars…2010…kept 1 Les Paul, 1 twin 12…….MADE BUCKS !!!! Now 10 years later everything has changed. The Digital data has captured the recording world. Playing live will soon be the only need to use anything else…
This might not matter to most but my hard gigging people know how important cargo space, setup and load out times are. Modellers make it so easy. Further, Please dont buy a modeller and sell your fav amp. Just don't. It always ends with regret . Last, It probably took you a long time and many amps to dial in your tone. Keep your favorite amps and take some time dialing in the modellers. The right IR goes a LONNNG way!