Railway Oddities: Canada's American Rail Line
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2020
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At the mile 14.5 detector there’s a lady that lives right next to the track. You’ll see her waving to every train that goes by.
That's terrifying.. *shudders*
I noticed something on the hoppers I am very familiar with. Every single one has K Class Brenco 6 1/2X9 100 ton tapered roller bearings installed on the wheel sets. I worked for the company that manufactured them, and the company that re-conditions them. Canadian National Railway was one of our biggest clients. Their AAR reporting mark is CNPU. Their car shop where we shipped the completed bearings is in Winnipeg Manitoba at the Winnipeg Yards.
Only a third of the way in and I already know that this video is better than 95% of the rail videos on RUclips. You know the importance of locking down the camera and having your subject move through the frame. Pan & zoom have their place, but it’s a very small place...if one wants to produce a professional looking product. Also, this is an interesting story told in a clear way. Bravo!
plenty of boring bits
You can see CP running in northern Maine! They bought back the line from the MMA a couple years ago and now run from Sherbrooke, Quebec through Maine back into Saint John, New Brunswick
Actually, CP re-acquired it when they bought the Central Maine & Quebec. The CMQ bought the remains of the MMA. CP-owned trackage extends to Brownville Jct, ME; the NBR owns the rest to Saint John via its Eastern Maine and NB Southern Railway subsidiaries. CP has running rights over the NBR sections.
CP *did* own the entire line up until the 1940s and leased the Mattawamekeag-Saint John section after they sold it to the parent of NBR (JD Irving). CP operated it as its International of Maine Division and then its Canadian Atlantic Rwy subsidiary until it sold the lot in the 90s.
This reminds me of the old CASO line, with US trains speeding between Buffalo and Detroit
Sadly just a memory. Just south of were I live It used to go thru Tillsonburg Ontario.
The Caso was formerly owned by Conrail until CN-CP bought it in 1985 . US trains were part of the Silk Road run between the Detroit-Windsor RR tunnel under the Detroit River and Niagara falls , I believe they were re-crewed at the borders . Before this time it was the NY Central ( built by the Vanderbilts ) .Money talks . A lot of lines passed through SW Ontario before major highways and trucking made most branch lines economically unfeasible . Around 1995 CNR became a privately owned company listed on stock exchanges . The company continued modernising and keeping up with RR technologically and expanded by purchasing other RR companies to become a major player as a tier one RR in North America . Some of these include GTW Grand Trunk, Illinois Central IC , Wisconsin Central WCT . There are more , but the fact remains that CNR provides seamless RR freight transportation from East to West and Central North to South , Atlantic-Pacific and vice versa , as well as North to South , Chicago to New Orleans , Including Niagara Falls-Buffalo-Detroit-Windsor-Halifax-Montreal-Toronto-Sarnia-Winnipeg-Saskatoon-Edmonton-Vancouver-St. Louis and more . Sarnia has a High Speed RR tunnel that was completed in 1994 that runs under the St.Clair river to and from Port Huron , which avoids ferrying larger RR equipment across the river and the slower intercity RR routes and tunnels between Windsor and Detroit . Canadian crews have operated into the USA near the border depending on agreements and requirements-cooperation of Management and Trade Unions in both countries . As a retired CNR Hogger that operated trains in this territory I am aware of these facts .
This video needs more views.
So these are Canadian CN trains, as opposed to the American CN trains that run down the former Illinois Central.
Yes
What's an American CN train?
@@blackterminal so cn owns a lot of track down around the Mississippi River and around Chicago. It’s basically CN logos and paint and basically same company. But it’s American crews for the most part and run almost entirely in the us.
While this train that you’re seeing the video is purely Canadian, to the point they use Canadian track markers and signals.
There's also the former GTW in Michigan
@@blackterminal American crews.
Also, this video was extremely well put together and informed me of a stretch of traco I had no idea about! Cheers
TRACO now I want Tacos lol
There was passenger service on this line until 1977, a three trip a week Budd RDC between Thunder Bay and Winnipeg, including the 45 mile segment across Minnesota.
I took the dayliner from Winnipeg to Fort Frances Christmas 1967 the passenger line closed shortly after that. It was a major link until bus service began and undercut the prices. Then after 911 bus service was discontinued as a result of the paranoid security frenzy. The line found all the security checks interfered too much with commerce and we no longer has direct public transport of any kind to Winnipeg.
I would love it if you covered the BNSF Manitoba Railway, a small Canadian subsidiary of the BNSF Railway. The BNSF Manitoba is wholly contained within the city of Winnipeg. It started as the Midland Railway of Manitoba, which became the Manitoba Great Northern Railway, which became Burlington Northern Manitoba, which became BNSF Manitoba. They use a BNSF GP locomotive, which CN brings up via the Letellier Subdivision.
Man those are the cleanest box cars I’ve ever seen! I work just behind the main line in Alberta and every time I see a train passing by EVERY car is just marked up with graffiti
It’s minor, but it’s pronounced “Simington”. Like the name Simon. Great video. (Winnipeg CN guy here)
Good vid, thx!! 👍
I guess if the train derails on the U.S. side, overturns, spilling absolutely everything from 100 railcars, where scavengers start picking up what they can for themselves, there will be a pile of customs paperwork. :/
Goods are travelling in bond... no different than how goods transit through Canada when shipped via road or sea to Alaska... There are protocols in place for when situations arise where goods can't exit each country as planned. In November 2019 a barge from Washington state loaded with containers of consumer goods bound for Alaska ran aground off Vancouver Island requiring the Canadian Coast Guard and Canada Customs to monitor the shipment until repairs could be made and travel could continue.
Thats a case for Homeland Security. This border with all their Peace Parks reminds me everytime I have to pass them at the Berlin Wall. In Europe passanger train dont even stop near borders - just for the usual exchange of passangers.
@@carstenmoller2248 In much of Europe, that's the Schengen area. I do think the U.S. and Canada should have a similar agreement, but the politics of that here in the U.S. would make that impossible. :/
looks like ore carriers. what will they scavenge? lumps of rock?
LOL if only. However there have been several major derailments along that section over the years the last one happened in winter and they were months cleaning up the wreckage along the tracks.
I remember seeing a CP or CN locomotive running on the UP tracks along the Columbia River. It was a pretty cool sight to see.
Awesome video! It's neat to see someone cover the interesting Sprague line.
As a Winnipeg foamer, I wanted to say that the yard here is pronounced "sigh-ming-ton", and the Sprague actually becomes the "St. Boniface Lead" and ends at Terminals Cutoff Jct close to the Downtown/Union Station area. But with those minor nitpicks aside, this is a really well done video!
For the IPA inclined, that's /ˈsajmiŋtən/! (Former Winnipegger here)
I was going to point that out about Symington yard. Would that line end at the east Yard?
It did connect directly into East Yard at one point but for the longest time it’s connected into the Reddit sub (mainline)
@@TheWinnipegRailfan The line predates CN. It was built by Grand Trunk Pacific, and was their first line into western Canada. Prior to 1910, it crossed the Red River into Winnipeg close to where the modern Provencher Bridge is today, terminating behind the Federal Building, there was a station there. The Federal Bldg site was home to the Manitoba Hotel until it was destroyed by fire many years ago. After the line was re-routed to connect with the Reddit and Union Station in 1910, the old line remained as an Old St. Boniface industrial spur until the industries moved out of the area, starting in the late 1980s. St. Boniface Station, on Rue Des Murons, just south of Provencher, still stands today. It was converted to a restaurant years ago, complete with a passenger rail car converted to a dining room.
Very interesting video! Good job
Heya Jawtooth
I work at Symington as a Carman.....On an average shift will inspect over 1500 cars about every 8 hour shift, that's split among 7 yard teams.
FYI CN employs American citizens for track maintenance along this stretch of track. Also both CN and CP now own several American rail lines and CN trains often travel great distances into the US. CP handles freight similarly on the opposite side of the Mississippi. Fun fact Bill Gates owns up to a little over 13% of CN. I've travelled the road route paralleling this particular section of track dozens of times over the years travelling to Winnipeg. Now with Covid we have to travel through Kenora at the top of Lake of the Woods to get to Winnipeg adding an extra hour to the trip because the border is closed. My home in Fort Frances is two blocks from this line and a 1/4 mile from the Rainier border crossing. Saying this route is busy is an understatement. We have 100 to 200 car trains 2 miles or more long running through Duluth junction up to 24 or more times a day and the sound of horns for the nearby level crossing give the impression of being nearly constant. However some thoughtful crews at night just chirp the horn once at this crossing since it isn't a major crossing in town. There are two level crossings and a major overpass all within a 1000 yards before crossing into Rainier. I enjoyed your video and reposted it to a rail fan I know.
i wonder if the line was made elevated like those London (UK) viaducts would it have made it moot for the "border" to be closed for service...
CN owns a fair bit of track in MN and WI having bought some of the smaller short lines in the US. Hell there is even a VRF cam in WI where the track crews recently replaced a switch and it was all CN personnel. Same for some track rights for CP across spaces of MT, ID and WA, and quite often you will see CP power be used by BNSF (borrowed power). At times entire trains being pulled by pure CP locomotives (with BNSF crews) and mixed BNSF/CP. Recently some new contracts were done and Canada is buying a LOT of grain from the US, as such a lot more grain tonnage is headed north to Vancouver B.C. well, more then usual. So a lot of mega grain trains have been running through from Vancouver WA, to Vancouver B.C. and the train names are fun to see the letters on those.
Thanks for this info. I found a cool spot close to T Bay due to it. Also you never know CP and CN have been known to share power, seen it the other day on the Toronto to Detroit line here
looooove this part of MN/ON/MB. I spend a few weeks every summer in the southern part of Manitoba along the CN mainline, such a lovely place. So active. Literally trains every 15 - 20 min. The bridge at Fort Francis ON that goes to International Falls MN is also a really good spot to watch trains, lots of action.
And there is CP rail in Minneapolis but I guess it's not operated by Canadians as the point of this video is.
Really well done.
There are several stretches of "foreign" track on both sides of the border. CP has a line that cuts across Maine to reach New Brunswick which has been there for a long time. It caused an interesting situation in the early part of World War 2. Back then, the U.S. was still neutral and Canada could not ship war supplies or troops along that line, so it all had to go along CN, which was entirely in Canada. Of course, that changed after the U.S. entered the war. Also, there is a bit of cross border railroading in southern Ontario, between Niagara Falls and Windsor or Sarnia Ontario. U.S. lines crossed into Canada and then back into the U.S. Also, both CN & CP own some U.S. lines, with CP recently reaching Mexico after merging with Kansas City Southern.
This is fascinating. Are the railroad crossing gates & signals American or Canadian as it crosses Minnesota?
They appear to be American
You should do the CP line that starts at Brigham, Quebec (east of Farnham) enters the US at Richford, Vermont, makes a U-shaped detour, enters Canada again, and re-enters the US near Highwater, Quebec, which eventually connects to another railway at Newport, Vermont.
What about the CP line going thru Maine and back into New Brunswick.
@@burnuts007 I am not sure I would consider that unique since the line in Maine splits in different directions. Although CP re-bought the line two years ago, I think the company only bought the section between St-Jean Qc and a town in the middle of Maine.
In the early 20th century, Great Northern's (long abandoned) VV&E used to cross back and forth across the Canada US border between BC and Washington State. There is still a remnant (now owned I believe by OmniTRAX) that briefly crosses from Washington into Grand Forks, BC
As a person who grew up and lives in the area and travels frequently across the border, I grew up a railfan. When I was younger, when trains crossed the border from Canada to the U.S. all trains would have to stop at the U.S. customs office.
Then across the border is retired CN 4008 a 2-10-2 T-1-A Santa Fe style locomotive, which isn't talked about in the video. This locomotive has city ties, as this locomotive was the main freight train from Rainy River to Winnipeg. Of course this was back when Rainy River was a main CN hub with a roundhouse and employee hotel. How I know this, is a family member was the main engineer on the locomotive back in its heyday. Plus I've been inside of the cab of 4008, which was an awesome experience.
There is also some track that runs in and out of Vermont and Quebec near N. Troy VT and Highwater QC. Not sure how far south it runs. May be White River Juncion VT at least?
Does the FRA have jurisdiction or is the line extraterritorial?
I guess by international law, and hence European precedent, it's extraterritorial as long as it runs...
never realized the simington yard fed a line going to through the states. that yards sorta neat to watch from the bridge as u go down the transcanada highway or localy known as Fermore ave or lag(french accent) aka 59
Can u do a video on the line that goes through Albion Pennsylvania
Did you notice the rare safetran type 1 bell at 13:26?
If I'm not mistaken , that used to be called the DW&P (Duluth Winnipeg & Pacific) line. It was as a subsidiary of the CNR back in the 60s-70s. I have some pics of the engines that I took back in the 70s. I assume that the CNR absorbed that line a few decades ago.
The east/west line between Thunder Bay and Winnipeg was built by the Candian Northern Railway (CNoR) which became a component of Canadian National Railways in 1918. DW&P owned the line coming up from Duluth, connecting with CNoR/CNR at Fort Francis.
Very neat! I've been up there to that crossing in Baudette! It is indeed very busy!
How much of a headache is it if you have to stop( hot axle, etc)
Wonderful video!
Another similar but far less busy situation occurs in Quebec/Vermont with the CP Newport Subdivision.
Super cool, we'll explained thx!
Thank You, I don’t see many videos on that segment of CN in northern Minnesota
Hi Jon. Used to see you on the Perham cam.
@@Bob.W. Hello, Yes I'm still there, but I don't chat as much like I used to... LOL
So the tracks are owned by CN. How would trespassers be dealt with? Are they subject to CN rail police? Do they even have rail police? Or do they radio US enforcement? If there is any?
CN probably has a rail police but I think the state police deals with trespassers in this 45 Mile section of track.
@@Maunico0809 CN definitely have rail police.
There is literally 0 enforcement. I grew up less than 100 yards from this track 2 miles north of warroad, and I’d play on the tracks all the time. Loved squashing coins on the track.
We do have CN Police patrolling the Canadian section of the line however, I've never seen a CN patrol vehicle on the US side. This section of Minnesota is fairly remote mainly fishing resorts and farming so trespass shouldn't be much of a problem. The only two towns on route are Warroad and Baudette at either end of the line the rest are small hamlets or villages. For example Blueberry consists of a sign and nothing else. I would suppose US Border Patrol might have the jurisdiction or possibly the local Sheriff's office.
could you do a video about CASO
This video reminds me of 50 years ago when CN ran from Moncton NB to Montreal straight across Maine. Does that section still exist? Anyway, long ago when we were at university in the US NW but from northern New England, we would catch CN in Brownsville Jct. Maine and ride for 3 1/2 days all the way to Vancouver! That was the cheapest and most fun way to cross North America to get back to campus!
The CP across Maine last had passenger service in 1994. CP sold it to Rail World which ran it as the Montreal Maine and Atlantic. After a major crash in Lac Megantic, Quebec, a new company ran it as the Central Maine and Quebec. It may have been re acquired by CP.
@@centredoorplugsthornton4112 It's been reacquired by CP as far as Brownville Junction, ME. From there east to Saint John, it's still owned by Irving and operated as Eastern Maine Railway and New Brunswick Southern Railway.
I remember taking that train from Halifax to Montréal through Maine when I was posted to Nova Scotia in the late 1980s.
Awesome educational video
I think CN even had a passenger stop somewhere in Minnesota along this line, but it ended around the time VIA Rail started
... of course this doesn't take into account the extensive track owned and used throughout much of the US by Canadian National and Canadian Pacific. The former Grand Trunk and Illinois Central lines owned by CN and the SOO Line owned by Canadian Pacific... each of which now carry their CN or CP branding respectively.
True, but this is one of the few stretches of track owned and operated directly by CN, as opposed to one of the subsidiaries (GT, IC, WC).
@Scott Miller CSX is in the process of buying Pan Am, the largest short line railroad in the country. This is pending approval which Norfolk Southern is fighting because NS and PA have a partnership for a small part of that line called the Pan Am Southern. It will be an interesting battle.
@Scott Miller There were plans to merge BNSF and CN. It was disallowed by the US government. These companies have had co-operative agreements since the days of Great Northern and Northern Pacific. Before Burlington Northern, there were even two daily passenger trains between Minneapolis and Winnipeg, a night time sleeper on GN, and a day time Railiner on NP, both terminating at Union Station. The GN even transferred a CN sleeper to the CN Super-continental to Vancouver. CP/Soo Line also operated a competing service between the two cities.
It's good that the two nations can cooperate. With a bit more planning, many trains would not have to stop at the borders.
Trains traveling "in bond" is how the Inland Port in Virginia functions. Trains are loaded at a deep water pier and move to the Inland port with minimal inspections. The detailed "customs" work is done almost in the "middle of nowhere."
in bond is checked and sealed once on once off
That is the same method used on this particular line as well. Most trains run through this stretch of track nonstop other than when allowing other trains to pass in the opposite direction.
You can railfan Canadian Pacific in the US! The Soo Line was a subsidiary of CP and was absorbed in the 2000s. There are two border crossings, Portal, North Dakota (traffic from Vancouver, Calgary and Regina), and Noyes, Minnesota (traffic from Winnipeg). From there CP runs through Minneapolis-St. Paul and Milwaukee to Chicago's Bensenville Yard (Former Milwaukee Road/Soo Line). Unlike CN, CP has no tracks between Chicago and Windsor, Ontario, where it owns the Detroit River Tunnel, so must rely on trackage rights to get to Toronto.
but can you railfan a Canadian CP line in the US?
So does this stretch of track require PTC?
I wonder if Hobo Shoestring has ridden this route? The video mentions a slow run past for customs viewing. The grain cars shown in this video don't have good hiding places for hobos like some do. I wonder if that is done on purpose or is required? I know that he has been deported several times from Canada because of illegal entry. Perhaps there would be a good opportunity to hop on in the US in one of those sidings that was mentioned if the train actually comes to a stop for a short time. If an inspection is done in Fort Frances, perhaps it is not inspected again upon re-entering Canada further to the west. Just wondering.
The only time this train goes slow is when it crosses the rainy river at Baudette back into or coming from Canada because of the bridge crossing I assume? And maybe as it passes back into Canada north of warroad, which isn’t that often from my experiences. In between its typical to see it going 60-70 mph
Inspection platform at 15:30?
Lovely! I know where I’m going next!
I love this video.
Does the train cross in Windsor Ontario
How tall are those container double-stacks at 24:00? They're all 8'6" or 9'6" each (I've hauled them by truck). Do they not have a single road bridge over that track?
No bridges. That part of Minnesota is billiard table flat. The road is parallel to the track and only at-grade crossings needed. Very little traffic crosses the track up there.
At least down here in Florida, every bridge is high enough to allow double stacks on all main lines. That's how I'm able to tell if a rail road used to pass under an interstate somewhere, because the overpasses are a good 10ft higher than they would be for a road or a canal with access road as is so common down here.
There are at least two road bridges over these tracks one in Ft Frances.ON the other in Rainier, MN but both were built recently after the double stacks became standard. The overpass in Rainier was completed just a few years ago. I have no idea about the situation further south though but there are several over passes along that route through Northern Minniestota.
@@daveerwin115 There are two bridges in Winnipeg. The south Perimeter Highway bridge, just south of the Trans Canada Highway interchange, and the Trans Canada Highway bridge, just south of Symington Yard. Both built in the 1960s. There is also the Highway 12 bridge at St. Anne, MB.
Lots of CN trains here near port huron. The tracks in my area are a mix of CN and CSX, but the main line through port Huron tunnel is owned by CN.
As someone from the region - pronunciations are spot on! Great job! I was in Rainy River just a few months ago - and saw a train blow past into Baudette - which, during the current lockdown, made for a double take!
Also - would you be the person to ask about why CN owns rail lines all the way down to Baton Rouge and New Orleans??
He didn't pronounced Symington correctly, though.
@@passatboi I'm not sure I would know how to! It it more of a Sigh - or a See?
As to your question about CN's trackage down to Louisiana, that was all owned by the Illinois Central Railroad which was bought out by CN in 1998.
He did not pronounce Baudette correctly.
That only happens about 25 times a day either heading west or east
Shouldn't the title be "America's Canadian rail line?"
Both statements can be read two ways. One reading of each is true, and one reading of each is false. Yay grammar!
Vive le canada
we gotta tell Jaw Tooth! best "but wait, there's more" vid for him!
You have so many trains there, you are so lucky! Here in Greece we have 2-3 paris of freight trains per day only in main axis of the country... Even the passenger trains are not much, so we need to wait hours upon hours to film only maybe 10 trains? Being a rail fan in the wrong country feels so bad... maybe one day i have the money to travel over there and visit this spot to satisfy my hunger for really long freight trains!!
Who does MOW for this stretch?
Very interesting shoot TMT.
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Awesome
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Great video.I have sub'd to your channel.
Until two years ago, CP ran into Taylor, Pennsylvania (south of Scranton, PA), and NS had trackage rights. Now it is NS owned, with CP trackage rights. Ex-DL&W/EL mainline.
I guess I'll be able to Ralph and Canadian Pacific and merged form with Kansas City Southern going all the way down to Mexico you should do a documentary on that big shebang I hope their paint Scheme is going to be as cool as Kansas City Southern one was if they make a lame paint Scheme that's really going to suck for all of us railfan interesting video good job
Great story my friend.
Did the old TH&B work the same?
what is mac yard..?
How many trains does this line see?
I see Canadian Pacific locomotives in southwest Missouri all the time.
The CPR and Union Pacific are common in the same train in Canada. I suspect you see them on UP trains.
I see both CN and CP engines on the CSX Henderson Sub occasionally.
Cool sounding slow down just after 17.00
Very interesting
I grew up in this area and my whole life I never really recognized the absurdity of how a Canadian railway makes a small hop through the US for a bit. And goodness me you are quite right about this line being busy, there are trains crossing that bridge in Fort Frances all day which basically splits the local park in half.
Isn't that the old Grand Trunk rail line they use in the states?
Anyone know what the story is with Canadian grain trains showing up in portland headed by two UP units with a CP unit between them? Also I see CN trains in portland all the time, is that just leased power?
Sort of from what I've read about what they do if a train is being handled by multiple railroads in Canada and the US they will have engines from both on them but swap crews when it crosses the boarder. So in Canada it's a CP crew and in the US it's a UP crew.
@@ThomasJM I think some also do it when one company's engines can't talk to the dispatcher so they throw the UP unit on the front in UP controlled territory
@@BON3SMcCOY that makes sense to. I think I saw something like that in a video about the Rockey mountain Express going into Washington State
Great video! One thing I might add is that when the crew is doing their US customs radio call to maybe blank out their names just for privacy reasons, otherwise great video!
There is no privacy on radio
How nice, the defect detector gives the temperature in Centigrade.
Canadian equipment though still miles per hour for speed. :)
@@GaryCameron780 Canada is definitely not as metric as people think!
so is track and signal maintance performed by Canada crew or is it by USA crew
@@XOXFilmStudio That must be interesting w/customs, aye.
US crew in the US Canadian crews in Canada.
Now that the CP has taken back at least some parts of their line across Maine, perhaps we'll see Canadian-style operations west of Mattawamkeag also.
The ex-and-now-again-CP line across Maine also had for decades the only passenger service in Maine.
@@LeviRamsey was this before the Downeaster became a thing?
@@danielnarevich7579 yeah, The Atlantic (VIA) and The Atlantic Limited (CP) ran until 1994, with (in 1994) stops at Jackman, Greenville, Brownville Jct, Mattawamkeag, Danforth, and Vanceboro. The Downeaster didn't start until 2000-ish, and prior to that there'd been no other intercity pax service since the 60s in Maine.
Very unlikely, the Sprague sub is one of only 4 carve-outs in the FRA rules, the other three are the two tunnels under the Detroit river which have a few signals controlled by RTC desks in Canada on the approaches on the US side, and the New Brunswick Southern from the border to Brownsville Junction in Maine. After some regulatory changes in the early 00s I doubt they'll ever issue any more.
CSX used own a line in Southern Ontario from Sarnia to Leamington.
Some of it is still there, still operated by CSX (serving mainly the chemical plants in Sarnia south to about Courtright). With the decommissioning of the swing bridge in Wallaceburg and the removal of the diamond in Chatham it's completely isolated from the rest of the CSX network by some distance. Their locomotives (two or three GP38s or 40s) are serviced at the CN shops in Sarnia
@@rallymodeller Do you have any vid of that line?
@@wst8340 Not personally but if you search "CSX Sarnia Sub" you can get some pretty decent video of current operations.
@@rallymodeller thx found some
No presentation of the Sprague-Fort Frances sub is compete without mentioning FWA
My dad grew up in Sprague,MB in a CPR family. I don't see too much CP track....
The CP Line, as does the CN main line, all run north of Lake of the Woods with the exception of this US bound southern CN line. The CP main line runs through Kenora and the CN main line runs a little to the north of Kenora through Minaki .
@@daveerwin115 The Reddit Sub begins in Sioux Lookout ON, and runs west to Winnipeg, where it joins the Rivers Sub to Melville, SK. It was part of the Grand Trunk Pacific's new link from east to west in the early 1900s. A lot of farmers were dissatisfied with the CPR, so GTP and Canadian Northern partnered to create parallel connections. The government ended up taking them over, and with a number of other short lines, created CN (Canadian National)
this is not the only deal like this ! N.B southern railroad runs around new brunswick canada and passes through MCADAM NB where a american train crew takes over and runs the same train to browsville maine where it connects up with canadian pacific rail road to continue west to where ever! this is how CP rail gets containers out of the port of st john newbrunswick! by the way NB southern and maine central railroad are all part of the IRVING family groupe of companys which includes, paper mills, trucking, oil refining, huge wood lots, gas stations on both sides of the boarder and kents building supplys,and hardwear, they also manufature gyprock wall board in stjohn nb, oh yea, frozen food in prince edward island too
Doesn't CP still run its trains on the former Milwaukee Road and Soo Line between Regina, Twin Cities, Milwaukee and Chicago? I thought there is a lot of CP action in the upper Midwest.
@Scott Miller CN also still runs it trains all the way to New Orleans over the old IC, right?
Yes, the oddity about this line is that it is only line where the dispatchers are located in Canada, and Canadian railway regulations govern its operations. Everything from Ranier, MN south and Port Huron, MI west is governed by US regulations. This is technically CN subsidiary Minnesota & Manitoba Rwy. All the rest of CN's US operations are performed by Grand Trunk Corporation through GTC's subsidiaries Wisconsin Central Rwy, Illinois Central RR, and Grand Trunk Western Rwy.
Remember there is CP track between Montreal and St. John New Brunswick that runs through New Hampshire and Maine
Or it is Vermont
Right here in my town we have several CP trackage rights trains that come down from Ontario...
I've seen the CP in Savanna, IL.
37:53 Tetris fail. 😆
Welcome to Minnesota! It’s where I live!
You forgot about the Ontario Northland Railway as well in the province of Ontario where I live.
What happens, when they have to do track/ signal/ snow maintenance? Does an American crew look after that?
Great video
Stay safe, stay sane, be well
Yes Cn maintains its tracks using American track crews. between Sprague MB and Rainy River, ON through the western Minnesota section of track.as well as crews as the route head south to Chicago.US workers CN livery.
@@daveerwin115 : thanks.... quite an interesting situation there.
Stay safe, stay sane, be well
@@daveerwin115 Technically, all US operations of CN are done by Wisconsin Central, just like how the Soo exists to operate CP trains here.
Garant vs Norfolk Southern Railroad. After being hired in 2011 and telling the physical doctor that I may have M.S. and after being approved for FMLA in 2015 for possible M.S., then fired in 2016 for possible M.S. and with such a rush, attempted to cancel medical insurance for my family and I a month before they were allowed legally, in hopes I die without medical aid as a result of their actions. How is M.S. diagnosed, with what certainty, if there is no test everybody might have M.S.?
Curious who maintains the trackage in the US ... Canadian based crews or American ?
It's the Swayze Express
if there is a Derailment on this line?Which Government is responsible for the clean up.The Canadians or the Americans
Minor point - ah, never mind someone else pointed it out.
I'll have you now that obscure western canada is where I live and has the best railfanning you'll get through the Rockies and prairies. I know this cause I have seen no where else!
I live in Victoria and have no train to watch :(
I think you might be wrong about how exactly customs operates...
My understanding is that all trains running INTO the USA from Canada are heavily scrutinized by US Customs and their VACIS machines.
Whereas Canadian customs are far more lax.
Once in a blue moon CBSA (Canada) may ask the CBP (USA) to scan a train on their behalf, but this is a very rare occurrence.
Perhaps I'm wrong.
His info is correct. I believe that since the trains running on this particular branch are just transiting through Canada the trains receive just a cursory inspection when leaving the Manitoba Border and no inspection when they enter Canada again from Minnesota. (they seldom if ever stop at Rainy River.) Most west bound trains unfortunately for US exports are empties being returned to Canada. The trains seldom if ever actually stop on this section of track except to allow other trains to pass. The main inspection occurs when the train enters the US for the last time at Rainier. A lot of counterfeit chinese products get confiscated due to violations of intellectual property rights. Local papers report the value these seizures to be in the millions of dollars.
You make this sound odd, but Germany and Switzerland have a few similar lines, some with agreements predating the creation of Germany (they were made between Switzerland and the Kingdom of Baden).
The border town where the US Customs inspection is done is pronounced “Ray-near”. I live 1 mile from this god awful line. In fact as I write this, I hear a train blowing its horn at the crossing in my town. I can hear 3 crossings from my house. We get over 20 trains a day. CN sucks in my opinion. In the old days(DW&P) had sidings and depots. There was a fair amount of work for locals from the railroad. That’s pretty much gone.
I live 120ft from the CSX Henderson sub, trains sound like they are going through my living room.
CN has done as much as possible to amalgamate much of the work. Most of the jobs are handled by mobile crews that do repairs etc. From those specialty adapted trucks they run back and forth along the line in Canada at least . I believe they have a similar arrangement in the US portion of the line. Since very little traffic is now of a local nature they don't even have switch engines along the line in the Canadian portion as rail traffic does not service any local businesses. These days 99% of local freight is handled by highway transport. Most of our town spur lines have been torn out.