My favorite part about (1) Glaive's peak with the Danes and (2) Karrigan's success internationally is that the achievements were roughly equivalent and enitrely exclusive: No rational person would argue that either of them could have matched those results in the other one's shoes. Two star-crossed callers with legendary resumes that will be permanent GOAT candidates.
The "Boom" question is actually such banger. I've noticed that in his coms videos and I immediately understood why he is doing it as I play entry a lot. I started using it as well in my games. My teammates were laughing at me so hard at first, but now they all do it and it really helps. Amazing stuff. Karrigan is my GOAT.
obviously hard to argue against 4 majors but karrigan has won almost everything there is to win and has brought so many different lineups to the top consistently for almost a decade. faze got better after he got kicked from astralis, mouz got #2 hltv after he got kicked from faze, and faze won a major, kato,cologne, and epl after he joined back. but just my 2 cents
Wow, karrigan gives the whole game away in the first chapter titled “Golden late game calls.” Throughout the course of a map, or even an entire series, he’s simultaneously conditioning his opponent while building an intuitive model in his own mind of the flow of the entire game & the patterns of how both teams are reacting to one another. He then uses that information at the last possible moment to spontaneously come up with a creative mix-up which he relays to his team in the most concise possible manner without calling a time-out so that they take the opponent completely by surprise. The concept karrigan’s describing here is one of the most fundamental strategic concepts of countless competitive disciplines, and the fact that he can explain it so eloquently shows why he’s one of the greatest IGLs of all time. Like most fundamentals, it’s a simple concept, but incredibly difficult to master. Anyone who wants to be successful at any kind of competitive game or sport should listen to the gem he’s dropped here & take notes! Fantastic interview, as always, Thorin!~ :)
Karrigan renovated an unfinished shed, had to move for work and let an acquantance have the shed. Having a nice renovated shed, glaive got some new shiny tools as he didnt need to spend anything on renovating the shed. He even had someone help him get his new tools, and could make nicer woodworking than Karrigan. But the shed started to rot, and without his nice shed glaive could never make any good woodworking whereas Karrigan could do nearly as good with fewer, unpolished tools until he finally got a nice shed again.
At the end of the day, the "shed" does jack if it doesnt have the tools and the guy who helped glaive get the tools was there when karrigan was there anyway so it does almost nothing. I like karrigan, he is the second best IGL, but saying that glaive succeeded only because karrigan did the heavy lifting for him building the "shed" is stupid.
@@emanuelmaka9635 karrigan didnt do any lifting, he was just unfortunate to have device and the rest still be massive chokers, just as glaive did until 2018. not to say karrigan didnt choke himself
I feel like people don’t give karrigan enough credit in the sense that he proved that international teams can win, and play really fuckin well. Hence now why almost every team is international, like faze, og, vitality, Navi, nip, g2. While glave and astralis changed the meta within the game, I think what karrigan did to change the structure of pro cs teams is just as remarkable.
I'd lean Karrigan as GOAT because of the consistency. Glaive had an arguably higher "peak" than Karrigan with the 4 majors. But he found nearly all his insane success with 1 team, 1 core & 1 coach. The early & late parts of his career have been mediocre at best. Karrigan won T1 tournaments and beat the greatest teams of all time in 5 different teams: TSM, AlluKio FaZe, Superteam FaZe, Mouz and now Clutch FaZe. Aside from the nightmare online period of 20-21, he's never been bad.
Another bit of frosting on this cake. The amount of insane performances he has gotten out of true stand in scenarios. The crown jewel of which, winning one of the biggest trophies in cs with jks and playing huge part in reviving that players career. The added insanity that they played that tournament with like 3 different iterations of that lineup. [Jks for ropz' roles, then normal lineup with rain and broky in quarantine, then the stage games with jks for rain] Edit:I forgot I meant to say that other IGLs have done well with "stand ins" where it wasnt their real/intended lineup, but often those are stand ins only by pure definition. Its not the same to say that a former player that was recently benched and replaced coming back to the lineup to "stand in" is the same as finding a random available player to come in and play for your lineup without any prior connection like Glaive/Zonic, Cromen, Xist, es3tag, Jks etc I respect both viewpoints but for me Glaive was the IGL of the greatest team of all time, a team renowned for their tactics cohesion and utility, but Karrigan has proved he is the most valuable IGL as an individual. They are not the same thing but both are extremely noteworthy. Who your GOAT is as always depends on what you value personally
The goat IGL debate point I like most is the longevity. Gla1ve realistically had 1 year on the absolute top, but Karrigan has been a trophy contender for the vast majority of his career
regardless of who the goat is, karrigans point of playing up to the crowd because its what the crowd deserves to see what makes him a class above. If I spent 2k on a trip to an event and it was just good games, that would be sick, but when he fires the crowd up, it gets electric.
i actually have an angle gla1ve is the greatest igl of all time but karrigan is the best igl of all time greatness can mean legacy and achievemnts but id say interms of igling only, karrigan is the best, no one has brought up that many international and domestic teams up to the top 5-3 or even number 1 that many times
My favorite part about (1) Glaive's peak with the Danes and (2) Karrigan's success internationally is that the achievements were roughly equivalent and enitrely exclusive:
No rational person would argue that either of them could have matched those results in the other one's shoes.
Two star-crossed callers with legendary resumes that will be permanent GOAT candidates.
The "Boom" question is actually such banger. I've noticed that in his coms videos and I immediately understood why he is doing it as I play entry a lot. I started using it as well in my games. My teammates were laughing at me so hard at first, but now they all do it and it really helps. Amazing stuff. Karrigan is my GOAT.
I vaguely recall Astralis doing it as well in an old clip.
obviously hard to argue against 4 majors but karrigan has won almost everything there is to win and has brought so many different lineups to the top consistently for almost a decade. faze got better after he got kicked from astralis, mouz got #2 hltv after he got kicked from faze, and faze won a major, kato,cologne, and epl after he joined back. but just my 2 cents
Wow, karrigan gives the whole game away in the first chapter titled “Golden late game calls.”
Throughout the course of a map, or even an entire series, he’s simultaneously conditioning his opponent while building an intuitive model in his own mind of the flow of the entire game & the patterns of how both teams are reacting to one another. He then uses that information at the last possible moment to spontaneously come up with a creative mix-up which he relays to his team in the most concise possible manner without calling a time-out so that they take the opponent completely by surprise.
The concept karrigan’s describing here is one of the most fundamental strategic concepts of countless competitive disciplines, and the fact that he can explain it so eloquently shows why he’s one of the greatest IGLs of all time. Like most fundamentals, it’s a simple concept, but incredibly difficult to master. Anyone who wants to be successful at any kind of competitive game or sport should listen to the gem he’s dropped here & take notes!
Fantastic interview, as always, Thorin!~ :)
Karrigan renovated an unfinished shed, had to move for work and let an acquantance have the shed. Having a nice renovated shed, glaive got some new shiny tools as he didnt need to spend anything on renovating the shed. He even had someone help him get his new tools, and could make nicer woodworking than Karrigan. But the shed started to rot, and without his nice shed glaive could never make any good woodworking whereas Karrigan could do nearly as good with fewer, unpolished tools until he finally got a nice shed again.
nice analogy :DDD
At the end of the day, the "shed" does jack if it doesnt have the tools and the guy who helped glaive get the tools was there when karrigan was there anyway so it does almost nothing. I like karrigan, he is the second best IGL, but saying that glaive succeeded only because karrigan did the heavy lifting for him building the "shed" is stupid.
@@emanuelmaka9635 karrigan didnt do any lifting, he was just unfortunate to have device and the rest still be massive chokers, just as glaive did until 2018. not to say karrigan didnt choke himself
Karrigan is a great interview guest and Thorin is the best at interviewing.
What a great interview, man
This is exactly what I wanted to ask karrigan, such a good interview
one of my favorite players and IGLS. Thanks to both for the interview and your time
I feel like people don’t give karrigan enough credit in the sense that he proved that international teams can win, and play really fuckin well. Hence now why almost every team is international, like faze, og, vitality, Navi, nip, g2. While glave and astralis changed the meta within the game, I think what karrigan did to change the structure of pro cs teams is just as remarkable.
I don't know if karrigan is the goat, but if I had to pick one igl to make a random team good it would 100% be karrigan and not glaive.
These have been an exhilarating listen. Thanks for the never-ending bangers
I'd lean Karrigan as GOAT because of the consistency.
Glaive had an arguably higher "peak" than Karrigan with the 4 majors. But he found nearly all his insane success with 1 team, 1 core & 1 coach. The early & late parts of his career have been mediocre at best.
Karrigan won T1 tournaments and beat the greatest teams of all time in 5 different teams: TSM, AlluKio FaZe, Superteam FaZe, Mouz and now Clutch FaZe. Aside from the nightmare online period of 20-21, he's never been bad.
Another bit of frosting on this cake. The amount of insane performances he has gotten out of true stand in scenarios. The crown jewel of which, winning one of the biggest trophies in cs with jks and playing huge part in reviving that players career. The added insanity that they played that tournament with like 3 different iterations of that lineup. [Jks for ropz' roles, then normal lineup with rain and broky in quarantine, then the stage games with jks for rain]
Edit:I forgot I meant to say that other IGLs have done well with "stand ins" where it wasnt their real/intended lineup, but often those are stand ins only by pure definition. Its not the same to say that a former player that was recently benched and replaced coming back to the lineup to "stand in" is the same as finding a random available player to come in and play for your lineup without any prior connection like Glaive/Zonic, Cromen, Xist, es3tag,
Jks etc
I respect both viewpoints but for me Glaive was the IGL of the greatest team of all time, a team renowned for their tactics cohesion and utility, but Karrigan has proved he is the most valuable IGL as an individual. They are not the same thing but both are extremely noteworthy. Who your GOAT is as always depends on what you value personally
@@PigeonPantz Karrigan won tournaments with JkS, Xizt & fucking Cromen. insane.
34:50 Frenchies (including apEX I think) call 'boom' too on flashes I believe
Yes and since veeery long they call "blanc" for "white" when the flash explode
Love Karrigan, learning how to IGL at the minute and taking a lot from this guy
Thanks both of you for such a great interview. Great questions & answers!
I don't even play or watch cs but love these interviews
The goat IGL debate point I like most is the longevity. Gla1ve realistically had 1 year on the absolute top, but Karrigan has been a trophy contender for the vast majority of his career
"Then the admin said, no more toys" 😂
regardless of who the goat is, karrigans point of playing up to the crowd because its what the crowd deserves to see what makes him a class above. If I spent 2k on a trip to an event and it was just good games, that would be sick, but when he fires the crowd up, it gets electric.
Great interview ty.
Apex to this day (even with english comms) will call out Blanc when flashing (white in french) just like the Boom thing
I'd love to know what was his reason for switching from the Prime Wireless
roger that
karrigan needs to bring back the spinning noise maker
Comparing Karrigan vs Gla1ve to Dev1ce vs S1mple is very smart I like that analogy
i actually have an angle
gla1ve is the greatest igl of all time
but karrigan is the best igl of all time
greatness can mean legacy and achievemnts
but id say interms of igling only, karrigan is the best, no one has brought up that many international and domestic teams up to the top 5-3 or even number 1 that many times
37:55 really didn't expect Karrigan to just drop an opinion about the independence of "Taiwan", but I think it's pretty based.
Nice
Unless you are assembling astralis, if you were to assemble a team of goats, there would only be one choice for igl
First I guess
Wow
I appreciate your work, but having 2 commercials every 6-7 minutes on these is horrible.
Bro has to make a living somehow bro, it’s really not that deep
@@oscarcarlsson1465 I know man, and I understand it, but 2 commercials every 6-7 minutes ruines the experience of listening to it man.