@JeremyCuddles Yeah I agree. Hard to go back. And I'm not ignorant to the fact that there was a lot of slimy dealings, especially from the Soviet block nations in the 70s and 80s. I guess I just feel the spirit of the games is somewhat ruined. I suppose if one takes the approach that it is indeed the country's "finest athletes," then it's easier to move forward with the professional element. I just thought the earlier epochs of the Olympics meant so much more. But it's too hard to maintain that in the top sports given the feeder system now in place in the various major sports leagues.
@@curtdude7 Well, yes, in the current approach. My point is that it should have stayed all amateur (though there was corruption as has been pointed out). But nowadays, it's impossible not to include professionals because the best talent are already in feeder systems for the major sports. I guess I'm just reminiscing about the Miracle on Ice era... LOL
SpikeFlea in any approach of the olympics it’s been your best players or best athletes a country could field. This even goes back to a nicer Greece when they started the Olympics to see which city state or Polis was the most dominant physically.
@@beardupbeerdown7355 5 seasons of around 50 goals per is more conceivable, versus 4 at 60+. Plus, he's young enough to manage it if he doesn't get severely injured. It's crazy how white his hair is at age 33 though... LOL
Isn’t the point of the Olympic to see which country is the absolute BEST in the world at a sport? The NHL currently has the best hockey players in the world, so prohibiting them from competing doesn’t make any sense at all.
The Olympics used to be only amateurs, then in the early 70’s Russia (USSR) were using some professional athletes. Canada challenged Russia to the Summit Series where the best professional hockey players in Canada vs Russia’s. Olympics decide then after to open the olympics to professionals for the best of the events
The idea of the Olympics has always been to compare and contrast different schools of thought and training. Did Sparta truly create a breed of indomitable warriors or could they be bested by the liberal democracy of Athens? You can showcase that best with amateurs since amateurs typically haven't had the opportunity to travel to other areas and absorb foreign techniques and cultures. Ovechkin is a great example of how professionals might not give you a clear indication of what players have been taught by their home countries since much of Ovechkin's growth as a player is due to his professional career outside of Russia. The best gauge for determining which country is churning out the best hockey is the World Juniors--not the Olympics, even when all the professionals are playing.
There are two historical moments in hockey where I get the literal chills. The first was when Ray Bourque raised the cup. The other was when Ovi did it
@@lukevader3234 name one person who would play NHL in 19 and being close to him. Jagr, maybe but no much more. And another thing , ovi would Steam roll over Gretzky now days. No more No touch
I dunno man. He's arguably the greatest goal scorer to ever play, but he's not one of the top players overall. He's very one dimensional. Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, Richard, Crosby, Jagr, McDavid, Yzerman, Beliveau, and Federov were all better, plus all the defencemen like Orr, Lidstrom, Harvey, and goalies like Hasek and Brodeur etc. It takes more than excelling at one thing to be a true GOAT. Which 6 players is he better than on my list (and that doesn't even include dudes from the 40's and 30's etc.
@@jasondashney Goals are worth more than anything (yes even assists) though and he's a top hitter year in and year out not to mention he's the biggest PP threat of all time. The guy has three Harts as well. Give me Prime and career Ovi over Federov, Lidstrom, Jagr, Harvey, Yzerman, Richard, Béliveau, Crosby and McDavid (lol on that one haha prisoner of the moment much?) all day wether it's for durability reasons (your best ability is your availability), peak reasons, outright legacy reasons or all of them combined. All these players you've named other than Gretzky can be matched some day. There will always be the next Crosby or Mcdavid. Finding the next threat to the goal record will take a LOOOOOONG TIME. He's easily a top 10 player ever. And you can't compare goalies to skaters in this kind of discussion as It just doesn't make sense (please don't refer to these ridiculous top 100s and other such lists)
I've heard it said that NHL owners want to have some sort of NHL branding right to use their players at the Olympics, but the Olympics committee refuses to cave on that. The Olympics wants the NHLers for the obvious ratings boost and the NHL wants their players there to market the NHL to that demographic of sports fans that watch the Olympics but aren't yet sold on hockey, in particular, but the two sides can't figure out how to properly compensate the NHL for their cooperation. The Olympic committee seems to believe that just letting NHLers show up is enough--the NHL owners don't.
@JeremyCuddles I think it's great. He's never been as light as he was in his rookie year and when you go watch his highlights from his rookie season it was his speed that created his scoring chances, not his heavy hitting. He backed defenders down because of the quickness. Hopefully he regains that speed and can keep up with the game better.
Over the 18 seasons that Ovechkin has played we have seen 31 times where 50 goals were scored during a season. He has 9 of those and 4 times has led the league as the ONLY 50 goal scorer. In those 18 seasons we have NEVER had more than five 50 goal scorers in a season. During Gretzky's 20 seasons we saw a combined 131 times for 50 goal seasons. There were 13 times where we had 6 or more 50 goal seasons with a high of fourteen 50 goal scorers in one season! So 131 times versus 31 times. Ovechkin had 9 seasons of 50 goals out of a pool of 31 times. Gretzky had 9 seasons of 50 goals out of a pool of 131 times. Ovechkin's goal totals are far more impressive than Gretzky's when you consider the era and look at the facts.
With Ovechkin's shot, he basically just needs to stay smart and stay in relative shape and he can always pick up a solid 20 goals on the power play. If he gets within sniffing distance of the record, he may as well just hang around until he gets it. It would be like when Hank Aaron was chasing down Ruth's record.
Okay, say he falls short a few years. Maybe he gets 4 more 40 goal seasons. I think he easily has it in him. That would put him around 160 more goals. Then maybe he gets 2-3 more 20 goal seasons as well. That basically puts him at the mark. Its all about health, and the next 4 seasons hes got to keep sniping away.
In four years? Maybe. But if he plays another 10 years, which is completely doable, then I'd be surprised if he doesn't catch up. I doubt anyone will break Gretzky's point record or season records in the near future, but it looks like total career goals could be surpassed.
@@sphenopalatineganglioneuralgia I don't know that Ovie can play until 44, but you never know. It just seems now more than ever with the cap there's a reliance on young players that are cap friendly. Games also faster. After 35 guys seem to take a sharp decline. More players are pushed out of the game earlier than ever. But Ovie is still one of the best in the game so if theres any 34yr old can hang around for another 10yrs it's Ovie. But I think if he plays until 40 he could maybe still get 238 in 6 yrs. But it's still pretty impressive that gretzky retired at 38 because of a bad back. I know different era more goals but also a lot more obstruction interference and leeway to stop a guy from scoring back then. Not to mention PP face-offs used to start in your own end back then.
@@epicragegaming2016 But then, you could also say Gretzky's record would have just gone higher and higher if he didn't retire at 38 for back injuries... So I guess those sort of even out since Jagr has now had an extra 8 or so years on him.
If the guy plays till 40 definitely possible, if he plays past 40 it's really possible, but he is doing this in era or low scoring which is far more impressive that he even has a chance to break that record
After his age 37 season he has 822 career goals with 73 more to go and 3 years left on his contract which takes him all the way through his age 40 season.
I would say one of the greatest goal scorers of all time but not THE greatest. Bossy & Mario Lemieux to me were better overall. So maybe 3rd, but the best. Yet
Nothing worse than no nhl players in the Olympics it just becomes a joke
Actually it becomes what it used to be... an event for amateurs. Which is what it should be.
@JeremyCuddles Yeah I agree. Hard to go back. And I'm not ignorant to the fact that there was a lot of slimy dealings, especially from the Soviet block nations in the 70s and 80s. I guess I just feel the spirit of the games is somewhat ruined. I suppose if one takes the approach that it is indeed the country's "finest athletes," then it's easier to move forward with the professional element. I just thought the earlier epochs of the Olympics meant so much more. But it's too hard to maintain that in the top sports given the feeder system now in place in the various major sports leagues.
SpikeFlea no. It should have the best athletes to represent your country
@@curtdude7 Well, yes, in the current approach. My point is that it should have stayed all amateur (though there was corruption as has been pointed out). But nowadays, it's impossible not to include professionals because the best talent are already in feeder systems for the major sports.
I guess I'm just reminiscing about the Miracle on Ice era... LOL
SpikeFlea in any approach of the olympics it’s been your best players or best athletes a country could field. This even goes back to a nicer Greece when they started the Olympics to see which city state or Polis was the most dominant physically.
"4 years, 4 50 goals? Oh, yeah." Haha no other player could have that kind of confidence.
I think he can actually do it too😂 it’s best not bet against that guy
OV, baby!
Only he needs almost 250 to do it.
@@TheWitchOvAgnesi yeah, less than 5 seasons at that pace
@@beardupbeerdown7355 5 seasons of around 50 goals per is more conceivable, versus 4 at 60+. Plus, he's young enough to manage it if he doesn't get severely injured. It's crazy how white his hair is at age 33 though... LOL
"4 years with 50 goals, why not?"
He's giving me (prbbly a lot of us) something to hold on to. Do it Ovi!
Isn’t the point of the Olympic to see which country is the absolute BEST in the world at a sport? The NHL currently has the best hockey players in the world, so prohibiting them from competing doesn’t make any sense at all.
nhl was asking for to much money i guess
Amateur, not professional
@JeremyCuddles what??
The Olympics used to be only amateurs, then in the early 70’s Russia (USSR) were using some professional athletes. Canada challenged Russia to the Summit Series where the best professional hockey players in Canada vs Russia’s. Olympics decide then after to open the olympics to professionals for the best of the events
The idea of the Olympics has always been to compare and contrast different schools of thought and training. Did Sparta truly create a breed of indomitable warriors or could they be bested by the liberal democracy of Athens? You can showcase that best with amateurs since amateurs typically haven't had the opportunity to travel to other areas and absorb foreign techniques and cultures. Ovechkin is a great example of how professionals might not give you a clear indication of what players have been taught by their home countries since much of Ovechkin's growth as a player is due to his professional career outside of Russia. The best gauge for determining which country is churning out the best hockey is the World Juniors--not the Olympics, even when all the professionals are playing.
Ima say guaranteed 50 goals again for the great 8 this season!
Guaranteed? Hmm....what do I get if he gets 49?
There are two historical moments in hockey where I get the literal chills. The first was when Ray Bourque raised the cup. The other was when Ovi did it
Best goal scorer ever, hands down...
@Jessie facts. let ovechkin play in the 80s with some stand up goalies and see what happens LOL.
Like the "Bo knows sports" commercials back in the day..............Gretzky replies............."No."
He is a great goal scorer, but not the best goal scorer ever
Ok slow down there buddy boi! Have you ever watched Mario Lemieux?
@@lukevader3234 name one person who would play NHL in 19 and being close to him. Jagr, maybe but no much more. And another thing , ovi would Steam roll over Gretzky now days. No more No touch
Should be a top 10 all-time NHL player by the time he's career is over, if he isn't there already now.
I dunno man. He's arguably the greatest goal scorer to ever play, but he's not one of the top players overall. He's very one dimensional. Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, Richard, Crosby, Jagr, McDavid, Yzerman, Beliveau, and Federov were all better, plus all the defencemen like Orr, Lidstrom, Harvey, and goalies like Hasek and Brodeur etc. It takes more than excelling at one thing to be a true GOAT. Which 6 players is he better than on my list (and that doesn't even include dudes from the 40's and 30's etc.
daniel ntumba Thats exactly what he said, pretty much can’t do anything except scoring goals
daniel ntumba Yes probably a thousand times and I never saw him play real defence once
@@jasondashney Goals are worth more than anything (yes even assists) though and he's a top hitter year in and year out not to mention he's the biggest PP threat of all time. The guy has three Harts as well. Give me Prime and career Ovi over Federov, Lidstrom, Jagr, Harvey, Yzerman, Richard, Béliveau, Crosby and McDavid (lol on that one haha prisoner of the moment much?) all day wether it's for durability reasons (your best ability is your availability), peak reasons, outright legacy reasons or all of them combined. All these players you've named other than Gretzky can be matched some day. There will always be the next Crosby or Mcdavid. Finding the next threat to the goal record will take a LOOOOOONG TIME. He's easily a top 10 player ever. And you can't compare goalies to skaters in this kind of discussion as It just doesn't make sense (please don't refer to these ridiculous top 100s and other such lists)
Gotta love that guy, on and off the ice that guy is nothing but class! Quality interview too!
Ovi's English is incredible.. He couldnt even speak when he was drafted. I love him. By far my favorite player right now
Ovechkin you are the man bro keep it up!
Love his dedication to our team and Dynamo. It makes me smile knowing he won't ever wear another NHL jersey.
"did you miss having the cup" who pays this guy?
Hard to find lads that make such stupid questions. "No I didn't!"
i'd love to see him take gretzky's record, he's got enough anyways
2:15 "So did you like being a winner more than a loser Ovi?"
C'mon guys... really?
All time great 8
#820 and 75 left to go🤯
Greatest goal scorer ever
Everyone wants the NHL in the Olympics except for Bettman.
The owners of the franchise don't want Nhl players to get injured. Bettman's just a mouthpiece
@@glenn1001 The owners want to get paid and they wont be if there's an Olympic's . If their players get hurt they collect the insurance.
I've heard it said that NHL owners want to have some sort of NHL branding right to use their players at the Olympics, but the Olympics committee refuses to cave on that. The Olympics wants the NHLers for the obvious ratings boost and the NHL wants their players there to market the NHL to that demographic of sports fans that watch the Olympics but aren't yet sold on hockey, in particular, but the two sides can't figure out how to properly compensate the NHL for their cooperation. The Olympic committee seems to believe that just letting NHLers show up is enough--the NHL owners don't.
Ovechkin looks great. Very thin. Hopefully the rumors of his improved skating and speed are true!
@JeremyCuddles I think it's great. He's never been as light as he was in his rookie year and when you go watch his highlights from his rookie season it was his speed that created his scoring chances, not his heavy hitting. He backed defenders down because of the quickness. Hopefully he regains that speed and can keep up with the game better.
Mike B. But he doesn't move the same way nowadays. You can see his movements are slower and his hands are good but not great like they were
Ovechkin is faster than Crosby though
It seems to be true!
Over the 18 seasons that Ovechkin has played we have seen 31 times where 50 goals were scored during a season. He has 9 of those and 4 times has led the league as the ONLY 50 goal scorer. In those 18 seasons we have NEVER had more than five 50 goal scorers in a season.
During Gretzky's 20 seasons we saw a combined 131 times for 50 goal seasons. There were 13 times where we had 6 or more 50 goal seasons with a high of fourteen 50 goal scorers in one season!
So 131 times versus 31 times. Ovechkin had 9 seasons of 50 goals out of a pool of 31 times. Gretzky had 9 seasons of 50 goals out of a pool of 131 times.
Ovechkin's goal totals are far more impressive than Gretzky's when you consider the era and look at the facts.
His English is quite a bit better than it was a few years ago.
i wonder how his chinese is
With Ovechkin's shot, he basically just needs to stay smart and stay in relative shape and he can always pick up a solid 20 goals on the power play. If he gets within sniffing distance of the record, he may as well just hang around until he gets it. It would be like when Hank Aaron was chasing down Ruth's record.
73 left to go!
Okay, say he falls short a few years. Maybe he gets 4 more 40 goal seasons. I think he easily has it in him. That would put him around 160 more goals. Then maybe he gets 2-3 more 20 goal seasons as well. That basically puts him at the mark. Its all about health, and the next 4 seasons hes got to keep sniping away.
75 left to go now.🤯
He's about to turn 34 in 10 days. 238 goals? It's doable even with the expected decline in his game as his career winds down.
In four years? Maybe. But if he plays another 10 years, which is completely doable, then I'd be surprised if he doesn't catch up. I doubt anyone will break Gretzky's point record or season records in the near future, but it looks like total career goals could be surpassed.
@@sphenopalatineganglioneuralgia I don't know that Ovie can play until 44, but you never know.
It just seems now more than ever with the cap there's a reliance on young players that are cap friendly. Games also faster. After 35 guys seem to take a sharp decline. More players are pushed out of the game earlier than ever. But Ovie is still one of the best in the game so if theres any 34yr old can hang around for another 10yrs it's Ovie. But I think if he plays until 40 he could maybe still get 238 in 6 yrs. But it's still pretty impressive that gretzky retired at 38 because of a bad back. I know different era more goals but also a lot more obstruction interference and leeway to stop a guy from scoring back then. Not to mention PP face-offs used to start in your own end back then.
@@sphenopalatineganglioneuralgia it would have been if jagr didn't miss around 5 seasons due to lock outs and playing in khl.
@@epicragegaming2016 But then, you could also say Gretzky's record would have just gone higher and higher if he didn't retire at 38 for back injuries... So I guess those sort of even out since Jagr has now had an extra 8 or so years on him.
75 goals to go now.🤯
I’m a bit surprised at how well Ovi is at English.
Wtf? He's been spending most of his time in the U.S for the last 13 years.
@@VodkaSoda some people live in USA for 20 years and can't speak english
I wonder where Crosby would be if he didn’t get those concussions
Prob over 500 goals maybe more points though
If the guy plays till 40 definitely possible, if he plays past 40 it's really possible, but he is doing this in era or low scoring which is far more impressive that he even has a chance to break that record
After his age 37 season he has 822 career goals with 73 more to go and 3 years left on his contract which takes him all the way through his age 40 season.
1 record he or no1 else will ever break, 50 goals in 39 games
Tim have you ever asked a leading question?
In the summer they have him visit China but won't let him go to the Olympics in China, how ironic.
Why are they in Chicago
probably caps opening game are against Chicago
Ovechkin probably hinted to us that he will play 4 more seasons at a pace of 50 goals and then after that call it a career
This dude is as much 33 years old as I am 25. Get outta here with that nonsense.
I think he can play til 40. So there is a possibility
Good call.
Jebus. Looks like you interviewed him 15 years from now. Why is he so grey and old looking?
All Russians age quicker.
I would say one of the greatest goal scorers of all time but not THE greatest. Bossy & Mario Lemieux to me were better overall. So maybe 3rd, but the best.
Yet
He plays like a good Canadian boy,lol.
Jim Draven 🤦♂️🤦♂️
....no
If ovi passes Mario’s goal total then Ovis the better goal scorer.... you can’t argue with stats lol
Benjamin Cross it’s not if he’s going to pass him this year