Pine Oil/Tar, I cant believe it worked!
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- I decided to see if you could take pine tree roots and make a pine oil/tar the same way we did with the birch oil. Amazingly it worked and this product has a vast history, and the bi product is charcoal.
This link tells it all.
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A sincere thank you to you and the other posters who so freely give of your time and expertise to show us how to do things that we may one day need to survive
I made a terrible slice on one of my fingers in the 80's. I had some pine tar impregnated Cheese cloth with which I wrapped the wound; Three days later the wound had healed! This is the manner in which I use pine tar. Precious stuff!
Thanks,
Clark
Grandpa used to rub pine oil/tar on my dog's back hips for arthritis and it seemed to work. Smokey lived to 17 almost 18 years old and the last 5 years his hips would be stiff when he got up in the mornings so grandpa would rub him down and then he seemed fine. Probably a good thing Smokey was black as the Ace of spades, he might have looked funny if he was another color..lol
Mix the pine oil 50/50 with boiled linseed oil and use to weather proof wooden handles of you hand tools. Best to do on a sunny day so wood absorbs the mixture.
WapsiRiver Scout Why not use straight pine tar and heat up the tool handle with the tar applied and let it soak in?
@@onthefarm1926 would that work well on a gun stock?
@@onthefarm1926, the pine tar, by itself, can be brittle. Adding a bit of linseed oil helps it flex with changes in moisture content of the wood.
Recipes call for thinning a bit with turpentine too, which helps it soak into wood much better. Without it, you'd only get a surface coat, aside from the little bit that did soak in, if the pine tar was hot.
The three ingredient mix was used to protect the stocks of M1's, back in the day.
that pine tar was not only used for the ropes, it was what the vikings used for their ships. They would put it between the hull planks of the ship with hair from horses or cattle or use an okum fiber type yarn before riveting the planks together for a watertight joint. They would also use it to seal/stain all the wood to preserve it.
+Ryan Hanson The pine tar and the birch oil are both an awesome thing to know how to make and they have many uses. Thank you. Joe
+Ryan Hanson Where did you learn this? I would like to know this kind of stuff too :P
+Bart Van Wunsel I have been researching boat building from the Viking age and Scandinavia in order to build a couple of boats the old way, from tree to boat. I've been making the tar since spring and this winter I'm making all the rivets and roves.
Ryan Hanson Awesome project! Will you be using the boats on a trip, or do you wish to sell them? (fyi I have no interest in buying them, since I know nothing about boats or how to use them :P)
+Bart Van Wunsel I am building 2 boats. one is a Norwegian Pramm for lake fishing. the second one is going to be a 25 foot version of a viking long ship.
I agree with some of the previous comments. This is the best video I have seen in awhile. Good job guys.
You can add a bit of terpintine to that pitch and get a really nice wood stain. It can also be used as a varnish. Take care and God bless. Keep up the good work..
Nice findings lads!
I'm sure you know now you have an awesome product. You can make soap with this, skin salve, bandaid for cuts, sealing furniture, sealing ropes, glue, fire starter (ready made "match"). Very cool stuff. I'm a soap maker and study Native American lost survival skills. This is like having a hardware store at your fingertips.
I remember reading somewhere that when they make turpentine they would do something likes with pine stumps. What if you could get the dirt off the pine stumps you have around the place, cut them up into manageable chunks and try that. Stumps usually have quiet a bit more sap in them. Good job as usual!
Thank you, that charcoal worked really well in the bbq. Joe
Tree tar has been used as coating for buildings of wood in Scandinavia for millenia. The wooden stavechurches form the viking age that are still standing today are coated with this stuff.
if the paint can was hammered down a bit more like a funnel it would of all landed in the can
I will have to check out this site, I've never even heard of this stuff. Heck I've never even heard of real wood charcoal either lol. Amazing what I learn here everyday.
the mixture theyre citing on the webpage, the "old dirty down east deck coati g" is exacrly what i stained my rough sawn pine bat and board house with. my house was built in the 70s and when my grandfather passed away he never shared his mixture of stain, so i searched and searched and used this, hope i did him proud
I work in the electronics repair industry and we use something called SOLDER-FLUX paste when soldering wires together. It burns off any residues during the soldering process to help clean the metals and allow the molten metal to flow and stick better. Without FLUX..... soldering would be almost impossible. I have a bottle sitting next to me and it looks EXACTLY like the black stuff you made in this video.
Your dog has an awesome coat.
Pine tar was also used for centuries, and is still used today, to seal and finish lumber and fence posts, furniture, gun stocks, etc... You mix it with boiled linseed oil to help it penetrate and loose stickiness.
As mentioned below preferentially gathering fatwood will greatly increase your yield. Here in the S Appalachians pitch production was seldom done using leanwood or whitewood. Fatwood is common enough in our area that the old folks almost always used it.
Search for pine fatwood here on YT for lots of vids describing it and how to find it.
I was gonna say that I think this is awesome informational vids...something that most of us would never think about,I think you could alot with the extractions.....I mean this im sure was a means of survival back in the day......We are all so damn busy in the hustle and bustle of making the almighty dollar i dont think a fraction of us would even begin to know how to be self sufficient....YOU TUBE IS MY COLLEGE...learning new things everyday on here..Thank you!!!
Here in the south east, a short walk in the wood would find a lot of pine fatwood. That resin-rich wood would probably yield a lot more pitch. It will stay on the ground long after the softer wood has rotted away form around it.
I have used it many times for fire-starter; it burns like wax, almost.
Great video, I like the up-front, no bull style, a lot of the same genre vids will hide the use of modern tools, and act like they know more than they do. thanks for being legit. You mention not knowing the need to just make charcoal. This, got my wheels turning. Somewhere along time ago I read about the pig iron production in the south, pre civil war, (according to the book), they predominately used charcoal rather than coke, and pine rather than hardwood. Both puzzled me. In the late 90s I worked in South Carolina, near where some of these furnaces had been located. There were a lot of long leaf pine but plenty of hardwood too, which sure as heck seem to leave a lot denser charcoal compared to pine, and there is coal reasonably close. Knowing our ancestors, and they way they naturally tried to get the most out of every endeavor, I would bet these were two-fold operations, producing the charcoal for the furnaces and the tar for the ships?? Kind of a blanket question, not just to you in particular. Now to you in particular, how did the food taste cooked on that pine charcoal, was the nasty of the pine resin "cooked" out, or was it like chewing on a cab air freshener steak? :)
I never knew this was possible...This is really cool!! I bet if I painted the undercarriage of my 43 year old van with that black oil, it would never rust... Something for me to try. Awesome video by the way! I'll try it on my next camping trip..
That charcoal can be gold for your garden soil.
Just for reference, activated charcoal is charcoal that has been heated to a couple thousand degrees (again, with no air, so it won't burn). This causes it to fracture.
In the end, a cup of ground charcoal has the same area as a football field.
Even if your charcoal isn't "activated," it still has value medicinally.
P.S. Thanks for the helpful video.
Totally love the usefulness of this video. It makes it a stand a lone video, which helps every one that comes across it. ***** video
we had a flat rockthat had a groove in it,and an old cast iron pot that had a hole in it.we would split fatwood into slivers and load that pot with all the wood we could jam in there and hammer in there.turn the pot upside down,and build a fire on top of it and set a bucket at the edge of the rockunder the groove. the pitch would run out, follow the groove into the bucket. usually got a gallon or more. great stuff, and alot of fun for us young'ns.
Looks like you lost a good portion of the volatile compounds out into the ash around your collection can. Have you considered using a condensing coil. You are essentially doing a destructive distillation process. Or another way to think of it, you're doing the same thing a coke oven does to coal.
Pine roots are high in natural sugars, and are delicious to chew once you peel the bark off (the bark cannot be digested.)
I noticed at the end of the video when you rubbed the dark oil between your fingers, the spread out oil appeared red. I thought that very interesting.
can't wait till we all start growing weed for oil
it great medicine for people with eczema scalp problem and skin irritation
Oh how neat!!! I just bought some pine tar from the feed store to make soap. I might have hubby try what you did and use that pine tar to make the soap. I bet it would be great, Thanks for showing this. :)
I've seen wooden drinking bowls here in Arabia that are coated with wood pitch/tar. It waterproofs the bowl from any rotting but also gives the water a cooling effect due to the tar.
Maybe you can use those coals to hollow out a small pine trunk to be used as a water cup...?
In case it wasn't already stated: There are a lot of useful chemical compounds found in pine oil/tar/pitch/rosin. They are called "terpenes". And have a huge variety of uses, but most require sophisticated processing. But if you know just a bit about distillation, you should be able to fraction off various terpenes from this pine oil/pitch, or you could try tapping a tree. I have used raw pine sap to close open cuts, it worked great and then I used tea tree oil to remove the sap.
Joe, i think you have become successful enough now that you need a jingle
very cool..nice to guys like you preserving the old ways
That was very interesting , I wonder if it would be a good fire starter?
Again, in case you didn't already know the basics: Soap or some type of surfactant (fancy word for any type of soap/detergent) can be made from just about any oil. The other ingredient is caustic soda, but early settlers would make a crude form of potash, or potassium hydroxide (Caustic aka lye is Sodium hydroxide). Potash can be made by running rain water through a lot of white ash from hardwoods in a barrel with sand and rock at the bottom to act as a filter.
You can also make a very potent cleaning soap out of Pine Tar Thank you for posting this because now I can make both charcoal for my friend who's a traditional black smith and Pine Tar for a lady I know who was looking for a sorce to make Pine Tar soap with :)
I do believe that charcoal is activated carbon and can be used to make an excellent water filter... If I'm wrong please correct me.
charcoal can be made in to activated carbon. but even before it's changed its good for water filtration.
@louiseleu this is only how i have made activated charcoal from how i was taught not advice on what to do with it once you have it.
you grind up the charcoal and add in a solution of water and calcium chloride solution (or lemon juice or the bleach can be substituted i do 1-1 ratio but that may be wrong) let it sit soaking in a glass bowl for 24 hrs or more. at that point the acid has done its thing, and the solid is at the bottom of the bowl, gently poor off the liquid solution and move the solid to a stainless steel pot you dont care about lol. gently heat for a few hours until its mostly dry and move the solid to a large baking sheet and place in the oven you dont have to bake it its to let it cool off faster. and aids in evaporation of any moisture left over. hope this helps
Heating common charcoal to a couple thousand degrees in an oxygen free environment causes it to fracture, increasing its surface area.
As I noted, elsewhere, a cup of activated charcoal has the same surface areas as a football field.
hmmm, we have to hop down a pine tree, perhaps i will do this with all of its remnants, just because i know how now, nice video, now to go find some paint cans
I use it to paint the inside of garden boxes
Now we know what the woodmills should be extracting from the contents maybe when they are pulling all our wood!
they use pine tar for railroad tie and fence post preservative
@bajsmannensparty When ranchers dehorn or castrate bull calves ,some use pine tar to keep flies off the cut,until it heals,pine tar is good for a couple weeks if it is thick type.
Wow. I am impressed with the charcoal!
You can use that as I draw out salve it will pull things out of your skin like splinters. It's Icthammol salve. Smells like tar.
Dent the bottom of the paint can outward before the pine wood is put in and poke the holes through from the inside of the can to the out side, this will funnel all the sap that comes out of the wood into the bottom collection can.
Not all charcoal is used for BBQ lol, its used in making lye and also blacksmiths use it in metal working and its also good to add to soil (organic gardening)
there is also "pinene" in there, like in pine oil, the terpene is responsible for the antiseptic qualities and mood enlighting psychoactive effects used in aromatherapy- it is the same compound found in kushes that taste and smell like pine, like northern lights. terpene is a very powerful antioxidant
Thanks for another useful video. Great channel you guys keep up the good work.
Good bushcraft great video thanks for sharing always learning
Another great video. I might try this one day.
Thanks for doing this.
I learned something and I liked it.
Cheers :-)
Apparently the best source of wood is at the base of pine trees. The lower dried branches are full of resin.
+Myles Nicholas I agree, thats why I used the roots and you can see it worked well. Thank you. Joe
Sweet deal pine tar and charcoal. Thanks for sharing.
Great video! Thanks for making it. Very helpful!
that is very cool . i have seen birch bark oil but not pine oil. did you try to burn it in a lamp
I love it in the woods...I am envious of your "freedom"...lol...are you in N
oaktreega made soap using pine tar so will have to make some pine tar before any soap thank you :) turned out great what did you use your for ?
Did you ever use the pine tar for anything? This was very informative. This is a keeper.
AWESOME VIDEO !!!!!
That is pretty awesome! Do you think that it would be possible to boil down to get it thicker so as to make some kind of heavy duty water proofing for a roof? Going to have to try making this!
Do you think you would get a much higher yield with wood chips since you could get more in the bucket? i thought i saw a bunch of wood chips laying around in a previous video?
Dont know why but I think this is a great informtive video..and I have no need for tar or charcoal...at this time at least...good job sir Dustoff761
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Could you use this to make bank line like what Dave Canterbury uses? It's really hard to get hold of here in the UK.
Spectacular information. Who knew? :). I'm subscribing.
Thanks Joe ! Really enjoyed vid !
ARE YOU MARRIED? lol...cause it sure would be fun to be your wife!!! I love what you do...very instructional and entertaing!!!!! Thank you for sharing! Just kidding about the first part......keep the vids comin...very well appreciated!
Cool video, this grandpa uses grandpa's pine tar soap on my beard, it also smells smoky, i think that's just the smell of pine tar, being it cost would be cool to make my own..
I think the theory was when the pine is cut down, the stump draws up the resin, making fatwood. When you burn that, you should get much much more than fresh wood.
very cool!
I like to make this stuff too, lot's of uses.
How does it burn? Or does it? Curious to know if this could be used as a torch fuel. Great video, thanks.
your awesome. your the coolest person ever.
Absolutely loved your video and will be watching more. However, hope your good at Survival First Aid cause with your hatchet skills one of these days you'll be taking two or three fingers on ice into your local ER.
I am 51 years old and still have all my fingers.
Can you use that oil for burning on oil lamps that have a wick as a substitute for kerosine ?
I'm doing it myself RIGHT NOW....
I'll let you know how it goes....
The reason you can't use wet wood is because if you do that, you get "tar-piss" instead of tar. It's cloudy, watery and useless; it has no effect at all on anything that tar has. When you can see the reflection of your face from the tar, it's excellent. The oil doesn't evaporate when wood dries and you should use as dry wood as possible.
Amazingly informative. Liked. Please bury your mic in a liter box and get a new one :)
This was years ago and that camera sucked. Things are much better now.
is this pine tar more or less sticky than store bought baseball pine tar and will it work as baseball pine tar??
Curious as to how well this would work on a wooden baseball bat handle. I'm going to try as soon as baseball season arrives.
just watched a video of another youtuber saying that he sanded off the clear finish on his hatchet and coated it with pine tar and flax seed oil for about 5 times. he said it gave him better grip on the handle.
Great video. Thanks
I wonder if it would work as a fuel for torches.
Thanks joe
that is just pine tree roots? doesnt have to be a certain kind?
can you only use the roots or can you use the wood to
Great info
I wonder how well that would work as a seal on mud bricks.
kirk nyman I would think linseed oil would be fine once it thuroughly dried ,it's an ingredient in good oil base paint.
@@beckywatt5048 I'm pretty sure it would too, however I was thinking of a scenario where one could use pine oil tar (if possible) for that purpose in a bushcraft setting making this yourself. Unless someone was to bring it in with them to such a rural setting linseed oil from scratch like that wouldn't work
kirk nyman I'd have to do a little research, maybe distilling a little different way it would do or act Tha same as linseed oil, possibly very close to the same chemical compound.
can u use pine tar to glue primitive arrows like birch tar?
Yeah It is very sticky so you could give it a try, also a better idea is to go to pine trees with cut limbs or damage on them, the sap comes out in a almost rock hard form, you just chip some off and heat it up a bit with a fire and it is rock hard glue when it cools down
Thats Amazing!
good vid
You said that you can make charcoal out of the pine, but you should never use pine for charcoal, only use hardwoods.
Can you use green wood for this?
Can I use this for a oillamp are a candle?
It would burn VERY dirty.
@@JoeandZachSurvival hmm okay
Is the tar flammable?
thanks this i will try if only for the charcoal
Can you use the charcoal for 1) Part of water filtration 2) For soap 3) To eat for the runs?
+Jason Miller I have no idea, I do use the charcoal it creates in the BBQ but I have never used it for water filtration so even though I know that you use charcoal for that process I am no expert on it so I can not give a for sure answer. Thank you. Joe
JoeandZachSurvival Thank you for your honest reply :).
Awesome!!
any reason why the roots and not the other parts of the tree
right. its dead because its dry and its dry because its dead.