Deadline’s Inside The Ring Episode 8 | The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power | Prime Video
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2022
- Deadline Hollywood’s Dominic Patten and Anthony D’Alessandro forge a path into the jaw-dropping finale of The Rings of Power with special guests Charlie Vickers (Halbrand), showrunners J.D. Payne & Patrick McKay, and executive producer Lindsey Weber!
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About The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power: Set thousands of years before the events of J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings, this epic drama follows an ensemble cast of characters, both familiar and new, as they confront the long-feared re-emergence of evil to Middle-earth.
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Charlie Vickers excitement while speaking of Sauron reminds me of Halbrand’s enthusiasm while discussing metals & ores with Crlebrimbor 😂
That's Sauron for you !
Now if only any of the cast or writers would actually read one of the books
Imagine being an actor and getting that part, must be amazing
Plus that's Sauron in his attractive form. A perfect mix of charisma and darkness/ edgyness. Must be so fun for an actor.
Sauron is one of the best villain in the history of story telling
@@Rdude4444 I guess you haven't read, ironically, how much they did
@@dutchkel well it’s hard to tell by watching the show
I love that Charlie is Aussie in real life because that means Sauron is intentionally a Yorkshire lad 😂
Really impressive on Charlie Vickers' part to know so much of the original Tolkien lore behind Sauron. In particular he mentions Sauron kneeling before Eonwë, character that appears IIRC in a small paragraph in Silmarillion, noted to be the leader of the hosts of Valinor that cast down the Darkness in the final battle of the First Age. This level of background knowledge, essentially for an actor who may not be an independent fan of the writings, is really something!
The Silmarillion though is not a big book, so it wouldn't take long to read it and understand the lore of the First Age. The same goes for the appendices in the LOTR. Agree though Charlie Vickers has a strong grip on the mythology.
Honestly, the way Charlie pronounces "Sauron" is so damn sexy.
The way his entire demeanour changes in a second looking down at the archive & then looking up to say, “I told you I got it from a dead man!” and it’s just pure evil from there on.. he didn’t shapeshift to any gruesome animal.. but just with the shift in the demeanour, one could see evil brewing in him! Only an Amazing actor can!
The dialogue in this show makes me cringe. And judging by your previous similar comments you aren’t real.
Sauron is so good that I almost believed him. As if there is good in him and that he isn’t doing anything wrong or done anything wrong. Truly evil and a manipulator. Very impressed with Sauron.
when will this special be available on prime?
Agreed! It was masterful, the change that came over him, loved it! Love how they are fleshing out this character!
@@Rdude4444 Then I'll echo everything that "person" (in your estimation) just said. I *loved* the scene, and the series in general. I called that Halbrand was almost certainly Sauron very early, because I've literally read all. the. Tolkein. books. The portrayal of Sauron was beautiful imo: graceful, brilliant, skilled, gorgeous, and fucked up. And they dropped just enough hints to make it believable, while not making it necessary until the last episode. Not every dialogue line is well-written, e.g. Harfoots detract so far imo, no need for an istar yet imo. But come on man, the elves as arrogant asshats? That is literally the Silmarillion: look at Feanor in defiance of the Valar. iirc they could have saved the trees if Faenor had given up the silmarils, but his ass was too selfish. The elves are tragic lesson in how immortality is weakness.
Charlie stole the entire season for me
Charlie is revealed to be the main star of Season 2 as Sauron so it is good he stole the entire first season.
Second Age is Sauron's story so it is good Sauron takes the lead.
I'm annoyed the producers cast a good actor for Sauron, and a bad actor for Galadriel. Like Vickers proves they know how to cast good actors, but they simply chose not to for Galadriel, or just didn't care.
He is the main character 😂
Charlie made Sauron to cheer for.
Putting flesh on the bones, so to speak.
This Sauron has already better development than the all lord of the rings trilogy
This whole show is to gag for if you have any love for Tolkien.
Basically Thanos.
@@ricardomadleno564 ummmmmm what
Charlie was phenomenal as Halbrand/Sauron. He really flawlessly portrayed not just a one-dimensional evil dark lord but a being with real depth & dimension. He shows that Halbrand really believes in his plight & that he isn’t just a baddie but actually might even teeter on not only being repentant & redeemable but someone who could swing to the light. He garners a ton of sympathy as he shows that there is goodness & light within his darkness. Charlie should rock that Halbrand long hair as he carries it well. I was really impressed with Charlie’s rendition of Halbrand & was similarly blown away by Joseph Mawle as Adar & Owain Arthur as Prince Durin IV. They all crushed it but as far as being the most colorful character, Durin IV took the crown hands down as Owain Arthur was just born to play the role.
Halbrand is one of the best performed characters. Charlie nailed every scene given the duality of the character he had to play. Looking forward to season 2, I just hope they can do it a lot quicker than 2 years.
I think, they’ll come out with S2 by the end of next year that is 2023.
@@SimV239 that's still a bit slow...
U make me sick
@@AmanVerma-qh9jv The Second Season is being done in the UK not New Zealand, so the turnaround will be much faster than Season 1.
@@ds1868 ok :)
Gorgeous actor, excellent cast
He did walk that line and his acting is so subtle.
He is my favorite character and actor in the show
The type of actor who makes you want to become an actor
Charlie Vickers. Outstanding actor. Bravo! 👏
@Tharaki king🤴 No, I love him too because he is interesting, scary, confusing...and of course...he's hot! 😂
He's a great villain because the best villains have something tragic or compelling about them-- something that makes us wish they would come back to the light...even though we know we are kidding ourselves.
Thanks!🙂
@@LunaWolf29 That's the main point about Sauron that Tolkien emphasised in his writings. Sauron was not completely evil and approached everything in a totally different way to Morgoth. As Tolkien reminds us, nothing is evil in the beginning.
Full respect to Charlie Vickers… He is really great actor who portrayed Sauron in an outstanding and relatable way… Regards🇶🇦
Charlie knows lore more than the creators of the show
Charlie said 5 SEASON?!?!? 😍😍😍😍
The actors who played Halbrand and Galadriel were amazing. I really hope we learn how and why and what Halbrand was doing on the raft. And also what did Elrond see in Galadriel’s future if she didn’t go to Valinor?
I would have fell so hard for Sauron, Galadriel better women than I 😩
You can tell he is a Tolkien fan. Also, great actor. He will be a big Hollywood star soon.
True Tolkien fan, beatiful person. Not a casual hater fan, he is the best for enjoying so much studying Sauron.
Whatever was wrong withnthe show, it certainly was not Halbrand... he is very different from Annatar in the books , or what i would have imagined him But i genuinely did like Halbrand, he was one of the things i,liked best in the show...
Charlie must be protected at all costs 😍😍😍
Yes yes.
Put him on a decent show then
@@Rdude4444 As long as he remains alive and in good health, he can be in all the shows/movies he wants 😍😍😍
@@lunarodriguez7590 yes I agree
I knew Charlie Vickers had it in him to pull it off, but I was still floored by just how much! Morfydd has been brilliant all season as well.
I'm glad they talked about the heart-warming friendships like the ones between Elrond and Durin and Poppy and Nori and the wizard. All the various relationships across the peoples of Middle-Earth were my favourite part of Tolkien's writing, and so I feel that the writers really understood the heart of the books by focusing on that in the show. Excited to see Rhun and perhaps more wizards, to learn more about Sauron in S2, and for more storylines to crossover!
What are you smoking dude Charlie did good but Morfydd wass awful all season.
Morfydd was intentional because the viewer needed to see an obvious evolution from pride to wisdom. And its obvious because the show is PG 13, the kids have to enjoy the show too. Its very mad the thing with the adults that they only believe the world revolves around them.
I'm usually pretty good at detecting sarcasm in a post but yours left me puzzled.
As much as I disliked how this season went - I have to say Charlie played the part he was given exceptionally well. One of the highlights on the show, IMO
When someone says She Hulk is bad or Galadriel is bad its almost never to do with the actual actress. When the directions is lacking and the script is poor there's not much an actor or actress can do. Sometimes they can't even quit.
Charlie Vickers is the star here but I would like to highlight how Bear McCreary, the composer of the OST looks so passionate about what he did (24:35)! Thumbs up for him! The music in the show is amazing!
Yes it is. Although the writing and pacing suck big time, the score is perfect!
Will Halbrand be next season?
Yessss he is already confirmed (but probably only as Sauron, I'm so excited 😭❤️
I think Halbrand is dead and it'll just be Sauron now.👹💍👑
Man hearing Charlie describe his character makes me love the show even more
Charlie Vickers came in CLUTCH! Hope to see him in other projects now. He was the highlight in the finale. And glad he said that he IS using Galadriel and it isnt romantic, but an opportunist. Sadly, I was hoping he has interviews with Morfyd on this one, just to see her reaction too.
Anyway, to Amazon, hope you guys fix some of the glaring problems. But if Sauron will have the shared focus next season then that seems to be in the right direction.
Haha. Love that comment “Charlie came in CLUTCH!”
glad too they never used their relationship in a "romantic" light, Charlie Vickers recently talked in an interview how Sauron wasn't interested in her that way and how as elves mate for life (she is already married) it would have been pointless anyway.
@@avlisdreams3427 Can't put it past these showrunners
Charlie 's performance in finale was fire man
What show were you watching?
Seriously he's amazing
@@Rdude4444 Ur hatred for the show is so weird.
@@dilochebasse3044 your like of the show is so weird
@@hamiltonian4698 the show is a 5/10 overall for me but to say it s trash is over exaggerated. It has many flaws for sure but good parts as well. If u dislike it that much , why loosing ur time into it ?
I was originally hoping it wouldn't be halbrand just because it felt so obvious since the beginning, but man the way they did it was SO good they completely won me over. So excited for season 2!
thwe dialog have to improve. so many dialog i dont like.overall it is a good show for me
even tho it was ovb so many refused to believe which was a thrill
So... Galadrial isn't going to tell the others about Sauron even though that has been her obsession for centuries?
Ofc not it would require logic in writing but we all know what showrunners think of that
Or at least she could’ve pursued him just having him leave him freely doesn’t make any sense
Of course a lot of things in the shower don’t make sense.
The entire build up the sauron reveal doesn’t really make sense at multiple points in the series he seems like he’s just a regular human he does not seem to have the ability or powers of sauron
In fact it’s strongly implied that he is not even though little hints that he is but they don’t really add up in a way that’s logical
@@user-jv4wu4kt1y You need to read the books. Sauron has been forgiven by the Valar at the end of the First Age and he has vowed to repent of his ways. As one of the most powerful of the Maiar he is able to take any form and as Tolkien says in the Second Age he took a very affable and friendly form that was very amenable in company. The Rings Mythology is much more complicated than your comment suggests. The pagan Anglo Saxon and Nordic mythology on which the Rings Mythology is based predates most religions today. Professor Tolkien was Professor of Anglo Saxon and Nordic studies at the University of Oxford.
Why was Galadriel's entire arc finding and destroying Sauron and when she did, she let him go, and then didn't tell anyone who he was? Does she not care about her brother and husband anymore? Where is the tempest she was hissing about? Adar killed him. I am sure a legion of Elves could have tracked him down and killed him. He literally just left and no one did anything. Why? So season 2 could happen?
Because in a way Galadriel was responsible in bringing him back.. not only that, she even pitched for war to save southlands in alliance with Numenor with the very enemy by her side that they were going to war against. She was responsible for Numenor’s loss & Southlands turning into ashes. The trust is broken & beyond repair!
@@SimV239 so she decided to stick her head in the sand and ignore Sauron? That should make her more furious that she was tricked. The guy responsible for her husband and brother's death is right there. No way after her entire life is finding him she let's him go. That makes no sense. You can't establish her character as 100% focus on finding Sauron at the exclusion of anyone else and then change that motivation in one second. Bad writing to force season 2 to happen.
The writing is laughable
Yeah the writing is not good but at least the acting or at least Charlie Vickers playing Sauron is really good and also other actors as well
@@freeguy7628 I'm assuming that's why she fast-tracked the creation of the 3 rings, thinking it'll be an insurance policy against Sauron. I'm kinda curious to see what Elrond will do since he knows something's up with Galadriel.
Well done Charlie Vickers
Charlie is a good actor. but it's a shame he didn't have better writer behind him.
I don't know, his quote about existing before the first silence was broken was fire.
Sometimes I think idiots are being paid to just hate on something that is being gifted to them, like spoiled children
At least his character had way better writing than Galadriel.
Halbrand: "Why do you keep fighting?"
Galadriel: "Because I can't stop."
Like bruh.
He could be the lord of my ring any day 😘
I keep insisting on learning more about Joseph Mawle in the series. Adar is amazing but we don't see Joseph being invited to podcats or premirers
I think they did that deliberately to not reveal much. Adar has a very limited but critical role, probably more coming in S2, that they don’t want to spoil!
@@SimV239 I hope you're right! Joseph is incredible!
He can turn up as Uncle Benjen.
Best part of the show
What an absolute king
4:30 C'mon. EVERY SINGLE RUclipsR I watched called him "definitely not sauron, wink" from the moment he first appeared. Nobody was fooled, except Galadriel...
MORFYDD CLARK " ARROGANCE PERSONIFIED "
Everyone was asking who is Sauron, but no one asked how is Sauron
I'll do you one better, why is Sauron?
I know that if you know the lore this is an easily answered question but....
Where is Sauron?
😂
Lmaoooo poor Sauron no one loves him ❤
@@emmaphilo4049 ik 😭 he needs a cute small fluffy lap dog to make him happy
If they are going by Tolkiens lore and the stranger is the first to arrive of the Istari then he’s either Saruman or one of the blue wizards. Being a blue wizard would go with the fact the stranger wants to travel east which is where the 2 blues went but the scene with the moths and what he says about when in doubt always follow your nose is more aligned with Gandalf. Either way I’ve really liked this series, I literally only got Amazon prime to watch it. I think they’ve done a brilliant job and all the cast are brilliant
We also don't know that the stranger is the only Istari out there. He's the first one that we the audience have met but that doesn't mean there can't be others who have been there longer who met might encounter later
It would be really cool to finally get more interpretation/ information on the blue wizards though
For me, the music tells me his fate. His song sounds like a tragedy. The melody of losing someone who was good. So Saruman sounds conceivable. I believed he was Sauron when they first hinted it for that same reason.
Can't wait to see more Sauron and Charlie on the next season!! This is going to be exciting
Hopefully there is no next season.
@@Rdude4444 Booho!! Cry all you want!!
@@Rdude4444 they already started filming. thanks to your views, comments, theories and dumb hate
@@Rdude4444 don’t try to reason with these Amazon bots. 😂
@@hamiltonian4698 wait so you and Rdude4444 want employment opportunity taken out of 1000s of people (vfx alone had 1.5K individuals involved), because you don't like a show? 🤔
Not a huge fan of the show but I loved Vicker’s thrilling performance
Honestly actors in rings of power are all good. Problems are mostly in dialogue and storyline. Hope that season two fix the problems in season one.
dialogues are very good. They are multi-layered, clever and there is a lot of Tolkien in them. Criticism of the dialogues of the series is one of the most incorrect and saddest in general.
@@samael_grey this whole series is the saddest
@@rizky8008 only for haters. I'm Tolkien fan more than 30 years and I like series a lot.
They're mediocre at best, Marfydd Clark stands out as particularly terrible. Probably permanently hurt her career.
@@c.m.granger6870 She made Sauron the Good Guy and Galadriel into Anakin Skywalker.
Im sure they've said each season will be about the rings being made. Se1 the 3 Elves.
Se2 the 7 Dwarves, se3 the 9 Men, se4 the 1 ring, se5 the war of the last alliance.
Loved Charlie as Sauron ❤
I really love the ring poem song. Thanks Bear and Fiona!
Charlie Vickers: Write me a script, worthy of reprisal.
J.D. Payne & Patrick McKay: We have work to do.
Halbrand was my favorite character from the start and I loved charlie performance I hope he continued with us in the upcoming seasons bc it’s obvious to me that other actor will play annatar to be friends w Celebrimbor to make the other rings.
bro what??? the amazon show isnt going to have annatar in it unfortunately, they replaced him with halbrand making the rings with celebrimbor. in the books sauron takes the form of the elf annatar and makes the rings
u sure u know ur stuff?
@@z4kry44 sauron have to approach celebrimbor again so it’s obvious he will assume another form and this form will be annatar but ofc if they don’t have the rights, they will use other name or/and race or maybe he will be friends w Halbrand in secret, who’s knows. But it is certain that he will comeback to be part of the forging that’s what I meant
@@honeyblade110 Agreed. The Seven and the Nine were made by Celebrimbor with the assistance of Sauron. So we should expect season 2 to involve this process with Sauron taking another form. Of course Sauron is able to do this as one of the most powerful of the Maiar. The plan is for five seasons so I am hoping the second season will have a better tempo than the first, with more emphasis on the Kingdom of Numenor and also the important Eldar figures of Cirdan and Celeborn. So lots to see in the second season, all being performed this time in Great Britain. So the Rings Mythology is coming home, where it belongs.
I am a casual movie watcher/reader of the hobbit/Lotr and I understand the negative reception because of lore changes.
I do not plan to watch rings of power rn BUT I have watched every scene with Halbrand/Sauron on yt and i gotta say this actor is the ideal sauron, great casting.
Remember they don't have full rights to lotr they only have rights to the appendices of lotr, so they did pretty good adapting them for tv
@@theajshortmanyeah, but they decided to make this show nonetheless.
The reason they still did it without the rights wasn't because they were such big fans of tolkien and loved the lore.
The origin of this show is purely corporate greed.
It’s obviously a labor of love, whenever you do watch it you’ll notice that. I’m one of those people who knows the appendices forward and back. It’s not perfect - they get more skilled as the season goes on- but it was definitely made with a lot of love and care.
@@ColbyPurcell the execution was done with passion. But from the scenes I saw they are lacking some writing skills but still nicely done.
As many others I won't watch the show because of the missing rights and smell of corporate greed.
@@philipr.3509 I’m not sure what spending billions to create something on which they surely won’t get those billions back is corporate greed but maybe I’m missing something - and I mean that honestly. I’m not saying Amazon isn’t a greedy corporation (as all publicly traded corporations are by unfortunate design) but this project didn’t have to happen and Amazon would probably have more money on the bottom line if they hadn’t done it - even if it was wildly successful. As far as the rights - that’s all they could get. Everything else belongs to some other (necessarily greedy) corporations that will not be making a billion $ labor of love TV show with it - they’ll be making games and other forms of entertainment and merchandise (not saying that’s better or worse, it’s just how it is).
Clearly Charlie Vickers knows his lore. Too bad the showrunners doesn't know theirs.
His face change when the smyths bullied him at the table.. 🤫
I'm enjoying seeing Charlie as Sauron - he has me fooled for sure!
I think Amazon should have filmed 2 seasons before they brought the first one out. Two years is a long time to wait for another season. Peoples interest will wane waiting for another show. In the event that two seasons were filmed at the same time the second one could be brought out say 6 months after the first was finished. (Just saying)
On the flip side I think they'll take on the critism and we'll see improvements in S2 (e.g. like pacing) that wouldn't happen if they filmed back to back
There's no real interest at this point. Just people bashing this disaster.
I think we'll see the writing, pacing and acting get better over the seasons, i get why they only did one season so far, to learn from mistakes and see what the fans want and how the show should go in the future. They've already said they know the exact scene they want to end the whole 5seasons on, so fingers crossed. I absolutely loved this show.
I hope Cirdan & Celeborn shows up in S2!
Yesterday, I searched the internet and tried to find review of this series that was objectively good where the reviewer didn't try to make excuses for the series by saying things like "the show is still trying to find its feet" etc. I couldn't find one. Every positive review I read, and I read hundreds, made it a point to make an excuse for the show in their "positive" review. I wonder how much of that billion dollars went to the big critics to write good reviews?
38% viewer ratings on Rotten Tomatoes compared to an 82% critic score. That's all you need to know.
I like the show very much. I don't care about Rotten tomatoes score. 🤷
imagine if in S2 halbrand has the long hair , point ears like elf , and his black armor…
Question. Did Sauron plan to meet Galadriel on the raft in the middle of an ocean? Was it his plan just to go with the flow of her dumbness of not checking if there ACTUALLY IS a king of the southlands - a land being carefully watched bc of its connection to Morgoth- well, guess we will never know.. Just shut up and enjoy the pretty vfx!
Galadriel presented him as the "king of the south" to everyone she met without knowing, despite walking around the area for 2000 years, whether there even was a "king of the south". Plus - storyline 1 says elves watching over Southlands because they don't trust humans there, storyline 2 says Galadriel trusts the supposed king from Southlands?
Can any character written as being so aggressively ignorant as this bizarro Galadriel possibly be "good" in any sense?
Obviously they did not really set up the big Sauron reveal correctly but Charlie Vickers is a great actor but much of the work prior to the moment where he reveals he is Sauron in the build up to that point does not make a lot of sense you have pointed out things that show all the problems that are involved with the story and how stubbornly prideful she was in idiomatic I didn’t really like her character
@@user-jv4wu4kt1y the best actor in the world can't represent a fully fleshed character if the showrunners don't even tell them who they are supposed to be and why they are doing things. All the interviews tell us many of the actors didn't even know who they would be playing walking into this - not their fault.
I gotta say even though it was guessable, the reveal was made so satisfying by all the foreshadowing!
And the credits song was amazing, it lingered in my head long after it ended
Really? Because I guessed Halbrand was Sauron literally when he peeked over his shoulder at Galadriel in the very first frames of him in the show. This was the absolute worst reveal in cinematic history. It’s like Amazon thinks it’s audience must be completely brain dead and inept 🤷🏻♂️
Halbrand (“Firebrand”)= ”Hailbrand”+“Hellbrand”!😈
the relationship between Sauron and Galadriel is one of the best things in the show, and it adds layers to their characters
If anywhere you could apply the old 'Epic fail', it would be for this show.
That scene between those 2 at the end was EPIC...........
With Sauron revealed as Halbrand, we’re seeing him fall further into darkness. We see a small glimpse of that when Sauron/Halbrand was screaming at Galadriel, with his pupils turning into slits (a visual cue of the Eye Of Sauron), darkened veins appearing on his skin, and his teeth becoming jagged and demonic. By the time of the War Of The Last Alliance, he lost his ability to take fair shape. So, by the end of the series, he’ll be the fully realized Dark Lord that we know from the trilogy, and seeing that evolution is gonna be interesting to see. Sauron will go from Halbrand, to Annatar, to a form of malice and hatred made flesh concealed under his iconic armor.
Except Amazon doesn’t have the rights to the name “Annatar,” therefore they can’t legally use that title, and by extension that character. Which is why they came up with hiding him in plain sight as new character Halbrand, which was so painfully obvious from the very beginning that it’s laughable.
@@rogermoreno1152 yeah. That’s unfortunate. But, at least we’re seeing him slowly become the Dark Lord that we know from the trilogy.
@@celestialspartan1176 this is far from being the dark lord from the trilogy...just a very dumbed down copy.
I wonder if they'll show his demonic form without armour.
Actually, they could use Annatar, he's mentioned somewhere in the materials they've got the right to, and they also asked the Estate about some things they were not so sure about.
But they choose not to use him. And now, after season 1, and the forging of the Elves' Rings first (....?...), it would be ridiculous to re-introduce him as Annatar in Season 2.
Amazon you had one job !
Charlie did a great job in a talentless show. Great work dude. Standing out amongst the crowd. Second to Adar.
I truly wished for a great show... The music and visuals are beautiful, but the writing, acting (at least of some actors, I really liked the dwarves with Disa, Durin and his dad) and pacing have been a dissapointment to me. And if you change the beloved lore SO MUCH without adding better stories and characters... Well, I hope for season 2 they will take an example of HOTD, which is beloved by both old and new fans!
Charlie Vickers was indeed the highlight of the finale, delivering a very strong and ambiguous performance. I wasn’t a fan of Halbrand being Sauron but after I watched the episode I agree it was indeed the right choice. It would be nice to see more about his background with Adar and how he ended adrift in that raft. hope we get more of this in season 2. I’m quite curious as well to see The Stranger and Nori’s arc, I think the Mystics plot was really dope, really want to see more of them. overall I’m satisfied with the show, kind of excited for the next season, hope doesn’t take too long.
I know you won't listen to criticism BUT I have loved Tolkien since being a nerdy, autistic, CHILD not teen CHILD. I have all his collected works. It was very much tied to the Catholic arc of sin, mercy, redemption, and forgiveness. It inspired people because of beautiful concepts like pity, mercy, and the power of kindness. Galadriel was based off the Virgin Mary in many ways. You have made me cheer on Sauron, want HIS redemption. The actor is more likeable than Galadriel. She's mean, horrible, and hypocritical. I would rather be in Sauron's company than hers. When he TRIED to get her help to be good she shows no mercy and rejects him. This is not Tolkien. I don't know what this is. And before I hear his opinion on orcs--Tolkien said he didn't think it probable that they change but that it was always possible. I want this Sauron to change and I want MY Galadriel back. Not this person and you can't FIX this person because you excluded everything she did that was good, decent, and kind in his works up until now.
Charlie Vickers gave off so major Lucifer from The Prophecy vibes and I loved it sooooo much
Whatever anyone says about ROP, it's a great show! Even stepping away from literal following of the Tolkien's books and notes it creates great version of the Middle Earth. I love it so much! Can't wait season 2!
Ps.
So sad to see how people ignore all the greatness under "hair length and following the origins" isn that what professor called orkish behavior in his letters.
Pleasantly surprised by how many Aussies were on the cast. And quite new faces too!
Yo, I am so invested in Istar's story. Galadriel not so much.
For God sake...they make us to love Sauron! 🙈🤣
the reflection of "Sauron and Galadriel" as king and queen was epic!!
You know that is a copy of the book
if the second season comes out in 2024, and the series will have 5 seasons. He tells us that this series will end in 2030+😳
i think it will come out 1 year for now.
@@MahmudinMahmudin yeah it's almost 2023 now and it's set to come out in 24.
I honestly have no clue why people are losing their minds over this series. I am a massive Tolkien nerd and i think the show is great. I really enjoyed this season. Yes it was slow at times and took a while to build. But the finale was great. I think Charlie has done a fantastic job. Deception is an easy trick to learn, hard to master. The best liars often tell the most truths. Thats why its hard to tell when they are lying. Really looking forward to a more Sauron focused second season.
I agree with you, and I'm also a life long massive Tolkien nerd (been one for over 40 years now). I really don't get why the haters are so obsessed with it. I can understand that they might not like it -fine - don't watch, but every YT comment section or other forum is filled with them... Just let me enjoy my show, dagnabbit!
@@darthvegan435 yeah 100% truth
it's so weird. I really don't get the hate at all.
@@darthvegan435 I mean this show isn’t even cannon so idk why they’re using Tolkien’s name. Oh wait for money/viewers not to actually tell a story in his world. We can’t just sit back and let them ruin Tolkien’s universe like Disney did star wars
Glad I'm not the only old Tolkien fan who thought it was a great first season, full of little details and actually well written. I'm thinking many will come around to it once all the bruhaha surrounding the launch subsides. It made me think of the film The Name of the Rose, which called itself a "palimpsest" of Eco's book. ROP is a palimpsest as well.
Why im laughing😂
Why use your nose to go east? Gandalf used his nose in moria because it was dank in there and to get out he thought it was wise to follow the least stinky road, which makes sense. But here it's so shoehorned in... it confused me. Please explain..
magic probably. he sensed a sweet smell the way they should go. kinda dumb but kinda cute ngl
Love ROP!!!!❤
When is the season 2 release?
Very disappointed with the dialogue and the writing in Season 1. However, I am still hopeful that next few seasons will get better.
Actor is pretty good, but writers screwed him over, smh....
I think the actors for this series generally did a good job. The faults of the series are largely on the writers and perhaps by extension the producers, corporate producers can have a bad habit of meddling heavily with the creative process. Not sure if that's what happened here but I think it probably was the case.
4:50 SEROUN
“The other Ishtar”
So they already ran into another Ishtar?
Two of them came in the 2nd Age 👀
JD Payne thinks he is a good writer but he is delusional. Sauron and Galadriel just happened to meet by chance on a raft in the middle of the ocean. How on earth is that good writing?!?
You mean like how Bilbo just happened to encounter Gollum and the Ring in the Hobbit?
Or how the hobbits just happened to run into Aragorn by chance in Bree?
Chance meetings are a big part of Tolkien's work.
@@flagrantmastrshake False equivalency. On land there are always places of common interest and value to characters, and viewers can draw implications of how the characters got there. in this show, there's 100000 sq miles of ocean and no reason at all for the viewers understand how the characters both miraculously got to the same place
That alone isn't really an issue. Like others have said, Chance meetings happen in tolkiens writings.
The Sauron And Galadriel Scene Was Legendary
legendary trash yes
Question for the show runners.... when are you going to read the books? There is a first time for everything.
How about you do YOUR homework and find out that Amazon doesn't have the rights to any of the books? Just the universe and just the second age
@@GalopaWXY everybody knows about the fact they don't have the rights both legally and by lack of talent. That doesn't mean they can't learn how to write from the source material. If they had done THEIR homework they would know about and incorporate the Tolkien's themes and in the story, not just a bunch of plot points from the Peter Jackson's movies rehashed into a sub-par plot. Where is the theme of even if the worst situation there's always hope, where is the theme of doing the right things, being humble, being a good person and playing your role in the divine providence? There is nothing of the sort because they didn't do their HOMEWORK. Reading wikipedia is not reading the books.
TIL Charlie Vickers knows his Tolkein, while the show runners apparently don't? Its already explained why Galadriel knows Sauron's mind about the elves; because he spent hundreds of years as Annatar, and hung around Galadriel during that time. Given her ability to see into someone's heart, she immediately distrusted him.
Payne's idea of a "what if" ignores already established lore. They really should just state this is an "alternate timeline" as a way of working around lore breaking. In fact that would give them much more freedom and they could create some interesting scenarios that way without fan backlash.
Sauron And Galadriel Scene Was Legendary, Best Scene In The Series
14:05 - Oh my God 🙏😂He gave out the *Black Rider* or one of the Nazguls.
Charlie Vickers is awesome!
I love this sauron... it will mature like fine wine 🍷... need season 2 please 🙏 🙂 amazon...😏 ada this middle-earth helps me understand my world 🌎 better.. to be a better human... my autism etc😏
He didn’t fear her at all. She saw through his deception and therefore was a massive obstacle in his plan. There is nothing she could’ve done to stop him otherwise though and that’s clear because the Elves would’ve been utterly defeated without the numenoreans turning up.
He has no match. He is an former Angel. His power bigger than any creature of Middle Earth
@@mirceadacialorantbrescia4340 He was like that in the first age but not right now.
Thanks for a great behind the scenes show. I love how this show tries to visualize the Second Age and can’t wait to see how season 2 goes. Great interviews!
Season 2 is taking place in Great Britain. I'm looking forward to some of the fantastic scenery on show.
Fingers crossed for Season 2.
It needs a divine intervention for that to happen.
I think season 2 will be cancelled.
Still the same writers, so no hope left
@@frankcouper9377 , season 3 or 4. They won't get to 5 for sure..
Season 2 is sadly already in production.
I'll never understand the hate.
I do find a bit weird that a Maiar like Sauron would behave in this way. I mean he’s not as powerful as he was with Morgoth but he should be able to do as he please. Seeing him around humans and needing them is a bit too much. It takes away from the “dark lord” lore.
You have to remember Amazon's fanfiction is going its own route story wise and doesn't care much about Tolkien's writings
How can Sauron the Deceiver be a master deceiver and a master of cunning if he doesn't walk among the people he wants to deceive, acting as if he's one of them? The lore states that he took many forms, passing himself as a man, a werewolf, a serpent, a vampire, and an elf-like being at some point. As for him "needing them", did he? Or did it just appear that way? Perhaps you, as a viewer, were deceived by him as much as the characters were. He's a fallen Maiar, he doesn't really *need* anyone. If Sauron appears to need people, it's only because he's decided it suits his purposes for people to believe he needs them. That's what makes him "Sauron the Deceiver".
@@JetpackAndScissors why didn't he killed Galadriel before moving to Mordor knowing she's one of her worst enemies? He had her in his hands and she was completely defenseless... Did Sauron even manage to deceive himself, or is he just a little stupid in Amazon's show ?
@@deceiver444 he did almost kill her, just not with a violent physical attack. He showed her a vision in which she was drowning in the Sundering Seas, turns out she was actually unconscious in the stream they'd been standing by. If Elrond hadn't found her, she could have easily drowned.
@@JetpackAndScissors he could have simply killed her physically while she was under his spell. As simple as that. He spared her life though, he must be a nice guy after all. But if he truly is the evil dark lord, then he's also truly stupid here.
But do we know who exactly the wizard is? Some say Gandalf but I am not sure
Either you love or hate this show
Well, I gotta say, I’m really glad they cast a Cirdan now, I just hope they give him the space in screen that such character deserves, a space that clearly has not being given in past adaptations
Me whenever Halbrand was on screen: give me the meat and give it to me raw
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lol
Those kind of guys are a dime-a-dozen in Australia. It’s a common look.
These are some George Lucas level dialogues lmao, love it.
there is a tempest in me