Why the A380 FAILED

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  • Опубликовано: 17 мар 2024
  • What happened to the A380? An engineering marvel that only lasted in production for about 16 years? Watch the video to find out, and make sure to leave a like and subscribe if you haven’t already!
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  • @soliderbred
    @soliderbred Месяц назад +39

    This comment will forever be lost in this comment section

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  Месяц назад +10

      Not if I pin it

    • @JDGamesoffical100
      @JDGamesoffical100 Месяц назад

      @@ice711real Hi Ice I'm a big fan please reply I'm currently having a bad day and this would mean the world to me. I know I already commented but I am a super fan of you (even tho I can't afford channel member ships)

    • @soliderbred
      @soliderbred Месяц назад +1

      Ah man

    • @JDGamesoffical100
      @JDGamesoffical100 Месяц назад

      Bruh my comment got removed for no reason

    • @Lazy_house
      @Lazy_house Месяц назад

      this needs to stop

  • @Planes_Are_Epik
    @Planes_Are_Epik 2 месяца назад +150

    A380 was the Caseoh of the airline industry 💀

  • @dafishez5718
    @dafishez5718 2 месяца назад +217

    The a380 is a perfect example of “Bigger isn’t always better”

    • @user-uo2ol8lt4e
      @user-uo2ol8lt4e 2 месяца назад +7

      In Texas it is

    • @odzergaming
      @odzergaming 2 месяца назад +5

      better for passnger, most comfortable plane

    • @yojirou2119
      @yojirou2119 2 месяца назад +1

      747 was just the right size

    • @yojirou2119
      @yojirou2119 2 месяца назад

      Let’s go A350

    • @polytekhat
      @polytekhat 2 месяца назад

      thats what she said 🤌👽👽😭😭😭

  • @JurassicJ_1234
    @JurassicJ_1234 2 месяца назад +313

    The A380 only survived in emirates

  • @sarinamanoharan8812
    @sarinamanoharan8812 2 месяца назад +85

    The a380 is like a premium subscription version of the 747

  • @Dougguy13
    @Dougguy13 2 месяца назад +19

    The A380 impressed me greatly as a child, yet still has an influence on me to fly a plane. It’s sad to see a childhood companion as (as I would say) go away.

  • @MagmaVRlol
    @MagmaVRlol 2 месяца назад +18

    There might have been a better chance for the A380 to be produced longer if the A380F was actually made.

  • @thomasamadori
    @thomasamadori 2 месяца назад +7

    It’s sad to see amazing planes like the A380 and 747 go into retirement and being scrapped. Less and less people care about these beautiful machines as time goes on.

  • @supsnail
    @supsnail 2 месяца назад +105

    Hoping that Global Airlines will restore the A380's glory a little!

  • @AshTheRACA
    @AshTheRACA 2 месяца назад +32

    "What led to its fate?"
    Obviously Swiss001 clowning on it.

    • @Concorde002
      @Concorde002 2 месяца назад +1

      lol

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад +8

      man too true 😂

    • @ZLG787
      @ZLG787 2 месяца назад +1

      @@ice711real ​ , I have a WILD question. Will you fly with me to Nashville? The flight is AA 3908, March 27, at 10:05 am. Will you come ( just respond to me ye or no)

    • @christiansshow2705
      @christiansshow2705 2 месяца назад

      ⁠@@ZLG787lol I live near Nashville. I live in Murfreesboro like my whole life.

    • @RandomAviationPerson
      @RandomAviationPerson 2 месяца назад

      @@ZLG787 S.U.S - You want him to fly with you to Nashville on the 27th of March? That’s just crazy.

  • @AI_Paul
    @AI_Paul 2 месяца назад +15

    Eventhough the A380 was a faliure, it provided a lot of media coverage for Airbus and proved that they are capable of manufacturing such incredible machines like Boeing or maybe even better, eventhough they are much younger than Boeing.

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад +5

      I’m ngl, recent events got me thinkin Airbus>Boeing 🥶🥶🥶

    • @AI_Paul
      @AI_Paul 2 месяца назад +2

      @@ice711real Boeing is the Samsung of aviation while Airbus is the Apple of aviation.

    • @ZLG787
      @ZLG787 2 месяца назад

      @@ice711real ICE WHERES 100K SPECIAL?

    • @Hazardousyt3
      @Hazardousyt3 Месяц назад

      ​Wrong it's vice versa​@@AI_Paul

    • @Hazardousyt3
      @Hazardousyt3 Месяц назад

      You can trust airbus as they release great planes but not boeing as almost all of the planes they made are failures💀

  • @robjustil8722
    @robjustil8722 2 месяца назад +9

    Yay! A documentary video! Finally!

  • @foxaviationtime
    @foxaviationtime 2 месяца назад +23

    i think the fact the 727 might outlive the a380 is an insult💀

    • @mohwybar5832
      @mohwybar5832 2 месяца назад +1

      There’s over 100 a380 active, but only 23 727. Still could tho

    • @odzergaming
      @odzergaming 2 месяца назад

      ​@@mohwybar5832theres 240 a380s active

    • @Perich29
      @Perich29 Месяц назад

      757 Outlive the A380, Narrow body planes makes economical sense than wide body planes, they burn less fuel, there easier to train more pilots, and lot of rookie pilots could easily fly the 757 perfectly fine.

  • @OskarMorlier
    @OskarMorlier 2 месяца назад

    Ice 711 is so good at explaining everything, definitely a great video!

  • @FakeMrApple
    @FakeMrApple 2 месяца назад +1

    Not the low quality memez!!!!
    BTW you are a goodRUclipsr! You made me like planes as much as you do!

  • @velvetacik
    @velvetacik 2 месяца назад +7

    I was waiting for this video! amazing work as always.

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад +2

      Glad you enjoyed ;)

  • @pegasusairlinesavatior
    @pegasusairlinesavatior 2 месяца назад +34

    İ think a380s biggest succes happened when emirates and etihad bought them also thanks for the video ice i was bored now im not bored anymore

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад +9

      Glad I entertained you lol

    • @ZLG787
      @ZLG787 2 месяца назад +2

      @@ice711real ​ , I have a WILD question. Will you fly with me to Nashville? The flight is AA 3908, March 27, at 10:05 am. Will you come ( just respond to me ye or no)

    • @pegasusairlinesavatior
      @pegasusairlinesavatior 2 месяца назад +1

      @@ice711real yeah

    • @ThestrongMetro
      @ThestrongMetro 2 месяца назад

      ​@@ice711realhi ice

    • @UnitedaviationNgeo
      @UnitedaviationNgeo 2 месяца назад

      @@ice711realcome on respond to the man, he just wants to fly with you

  • @ladyofvos
    @ladyofvos 2 месяца назад +1

    the sound effects just make your videos even more fun to watch I love it😭

  • @ace78909
    @ace78909 2 месяца назад

    Nice video! Really love "middle esstern" carriers!

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад

      Same middle esstern carriers are 🔥

  • @ThomasthetrainspotterYT
    @ThomasthetrainspotterYT 2 месяца назад +7

    Fun fact: On 4th November 2010, Qantas 32 was scheduled to be from London to Sydney via Singapore, when it took off from Singapore, it was flying over Batam Island, Indonesia just 4 minutes after takeoff, then it had an engine failure so they make an emergency landing heading back to Singapore and then it finally had a successful landing so all of the people survived in the A380 (those Qantas 32 pilots are heros/legends)

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад +2

      Forgot to mention that incident in the video!

    • @ThomasthetrainspotterYT
      @ThomasthetrainspotterYT 2 месяца назад

      @@ice711real yeah I know

    • @Singapore-Aviation72
      @Singapore-Aviation72 2 месяца назад

      And airfrance 066

    • @2C_2024
      @2C_2024 2 месяца назад

      till this day, Singapore Airlines, British Airways and Qantas still uses the same route via Changi Airport (Singapore)

    • @ThomasthetrainspotterYT
      @ThomasthetrainspotterYT 2 месяца назад

      @Avaitor7_YT Jeez I didn't know that

  • @SwissooI
    @SwissooI 2 месяца назад +1

    Nice vid ice711

  • @arrozkkkk
    @arrozkkkk 2 месяца назад +18

    2:44 azul mentioned LETS GOOO

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад +4

      🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

    • @Fxxk-yc9bw
      @Fxxk-yc9bw 2 месяца назад

      Azul mencionada🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

    • @Glegh
      @Glegh 2 месяца назад

      *Brazilians trying to not mention Brazil whenever challenge impossible*

    • @ZLG787
      @ZLG787 2 месяца назад

      @@ice711real ​ , I have a WILD question. Will you fly with me to Nashville? The flight is AA 3908, March 27, at 10:05 am. Will you come ( just respond to me ye or no)

    • @GamerTron707
      @GamerTron707 2 месяца назад

      ​@@ZLG787 *BOT REAL!?!* 🤯🤯🤯😱😱😱😲😲😳😳 + A350 solos

  • @AvGeek809
    @AvGeek809 2 месяца назад +2

    I am an average a380 fan
    I loved it and that got me interest in aviation
    And that got me an interest in your channel
    (i ned reply btw pls)

  • @AviationAileronOfficial
    @AviationAileronOfficial 2 месяца назад

    Btw Nice video ice, I am seeing your videos after 1 and a half. month because I was studying for my final exam, But it go over yesterday so now I can see your videos😎

  • @SkyAlpsAviation
    @SkyAlpsAviation 2 месяца назад

    Finally a new Ice711 vid!

  • @TotallyThan
    @TotallyThan 2 месяца назад +1

    Congrats on 111k lol ❤🎉

  • @Jouhouhouflying
    @Jouhouhouflying 2 месяца назад +1

    4:15 the two poctures are perfect

  • @CyanMingo
    @CyanMingo 2 месяца назад +2

    yaey ice uploaded 🗿🗿

  • @epiccheese114
    @epiccheese114 26 дней назад

    This vid was W, new sub.

  • @Sharkstudiosreal
    @Sharkstudiosreal 2 месяца назад +1

    I love the A380, and I have been on the Air France A380. I am sad it retired though and hopefully I will be able to fly on another A380 before they all retire. Great video Ice!!

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад +2

      Thanks! I hope I’ll be able to fly on the A380 as well, and film the experience for both myself and you guys as always.

  • @SwizzolaTheAviator
    @SwizzolaTheAviator 2 месяца назад +1

    I just went planespotting at LHR, and I saw 4 of them. Even though it isn't the best aircraft in terms of efficiency, it was still an amazing sight!

  • @airseal125yt
    @airseal125yt 2 месяца назад

    love your content

  • @soundstorm99wows79
    @soundstorm99wows79 2 месяца назад +2

    To think the 747 LASTED IN PRODUCTION FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS than the A380 to the point of the last units built the LAST A380 (FOR EMIRATES was built in 2021) while the LAST EVER 747 BUILT for ATLAS AIR was in 2023 meaning d 747 was still in production a little longer after the A380 stopped production such a FOREVER INCREDIBLE STORY (despite BOEING’s reputation these past years)

  • @core_epic
    @core_epic 2 месяца назад +4

    I love this airplane and actually flew on it, I find it sad that it is coming to an end just like the 747. Big isn’t always better

  • @jwil4286
    @jwil4286 9 дней назад +1

    regarding the infrastructure costs: London Heathrow (which I think has the most A380 service of any airport in the world) spent close to $1B on upgrades for A380 compatibility

    • @jwil4286
      @jwil4286 9 дней назад

      to clarify: I meant by number of airlines servicing the airport with A380s, not necessarily the most A380 flights (Dubai might have an edge in that arena).

  • @Frydee123
    @Frydee123 2 месяца назад +18

    I believe another reason could be because it's hard to find 500 people going to the exact same destination from the same place at the same time

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад +5

      True as well lol. Something I didn’t mention was the idea of megahubs and how the A380 would operate out of those, and passengers would have a connecting flight to their final destination out of that megahub. Turns out the idea of airport megahubs didn’t turn up like Airbus thought it would.

    • @ZLG787
      @ZLG787 2 месяца назад +1

      @@ice711real ​ , I have a WILD question. Will you fly with me to Nashville? The flight is AA 3908, March 27, at 10:05 am. Will you come ( just respond to me ye or no)

    • @CASA-dy4vs
      @CASA-dy4vs 2 месяца назад

      @@ZLG787bro of course he wont wtf u thinking a

    • @EuropeanRailfanAlt
      @EuropeanRailfanAlt 2 месяца назад

      ​@@ice711realThe hub and spoke model! Something that has largely been replaced by point to point today.

  • @Net382
    @Net382 2 месяца назад

    Yo ice711 can you do a drawing contest?

  • @friedpotato184
    @friedpotato184 2 месяца назад

    Ice, Can u make video about A350-800?
    It's like a cancelled shorter a350-900

  • @LifeWithLincoln
    @LifeWithLincoln 2 месяца назад +1

    Pls do more airplane drawing rating vid, I LOVE THEM SO MUCH!! (also I want to enter)

  • @sa_av
    @sa_av 2 месяца назад

    great vid

  • @ptfssupergooodyoutuber
    @ptfssupergooodyoutuber 2 месяца назад

    That wider runway part killed me 😂😂😂

  • @Aero_Wings_Official
    @Aero_Wings_Official 2 месяца назад +1

    111K subscribers already, I hope there are even more subscribers :)

  • @redrambo12
    @redrambo12 2 месяца назад

    what song is this i want to use it in one of my videos for a DC 10 documentary but Hidden agenda does not sound good with it like the first song

  • @kevinvargas2847
    @kevinvargas2847 2 месяца назад +1

    I am from Mexico, and I have only seen the A380 fly overhead once on its approach to Mexico City's International Airport. I was surprised an airplane that big could be so quiet. It is truly a marvel in the sky, I just wish I have a chance to fly on one before they are completely replaced.

  • @Railfan513
    @Railfan513 2 месяца назад

    Can you please do a video on the 100% Canadian designed the Avro Arow?

  • @AviationAileronOfficial
    @AviationAileronOfficial 2 месяца назад

    But congrats you reached more than 100,000 already keep it up

  • @milesmemeblox
    @milesmemeblox 2 месяца назад

    Hii Ice I'm a huge fan

  • @offthecarrier5406
    @offthecarrier5406 2 месяца назад

    I just saw my first A380 not even a few days ago.
    I was flying out of Dallas Fort Worth, and I just happen to stumble upon it, as well as Qatar A350.
    Both were fantastic sight.

  • @miscellaneoussarnian5282
    @miscellaneoussarnian5282 2 месяца назад +6

    at least the A380 had no fatal accidents, which can’t be said about basically every other type of Airplane/craft

    • @Kirath-of2qt
      @Kirath-of2qt Месяц назад

      a340

    • @miscellaneoussarnian5282
      @miscellaneoussarnian5282 Месяц назад +1

      @@Kirath-of2qt yeah sure that too, but no A380's were written-off after an accident

    • @fastspeed684
      @fastspeed684 Месяц назад

      787

    • @fastspeed684
      @fastspeed684 Месяц назад

      @@miscellaneoussarnian5282 true

    • @miscellaneoussarnian5282
      @miscellaneoussarnian5282 Месяц назад

      @@fastspeed684 too new. But given Boeing’s recent record of safety issues, I’d say that a fatal 787 crash isn’t far around the corner

  • @edensk8165
    @edensk8165 Месяц назад

    Antonov AN-225: Too big? 🗿
    The first song that you use has normally annoying sounds in background, how you removed it Ice711?

  • @Leobleh
    @Leobleh 2 месяца назад

    what songs do you use in your videos?

  • @AnAvgeek
    @AnAvgeek 2 месяца назад +1

    i have been on it multiple times, and the experience is much better than the efficiency

  • @coolmasterztv3088
    @coolmasterztv3088 Месяц назад +1

    The Airbus A380 is making a comeback but in hydrogen. The project is called Zeroe and it may restart all A380 operations.

  • @alandea9436
    @alandea9436 2 месяца назад +1

    4:23 definitely a massive success in the middle esstern market

  • @Kvock0456
    @Kvock0456 2 месяца назад

    hi u remember me im one of ur fav fans who comes the second u upload

  • @SwissOO1
    @SwissOO1 2 месяца назад +5

    Ice, does digital art count?

  • @user-eb4jm9pz9p
    @user-eb4jm9pz9p 2 месяца назад +1

    Ice 711 is correct bigger isn't always better, anyways hi Ice 711 im a fan of your videos 😊

  • @matteodizon1
    @matteodizon1 2 месяца назад

    I used to fly in that aircraft while i was flying to Dubai! I LOVED that aircraft! Sad to see it gone now!

  • @TXSFS-999
    @TXSFS-999 3 дня назад +1

    rest in peace king of the skies.

  • @ronanaviation9520
    @ronanaviation9520 2 месяца назад +1

    As somebody who lives in the pacific northwest, I have never seen an A380 in person in my entire life

  • @IndyAviation1
    @IndyAviation1 2 месяца назад

    Opinion on Boom Overture?

  • @EpokDoge
    @EpokDoge 2 месяца назад +4

    Still great plane no matter what, but for me Concorde and 747 are the best

  • @A318cute
    @A318cute 2 месяца назад

    4:37 Stratolaunch is imo biggest, but A380 definitly biggest airliner. Also thx for noticing my previous comment! 🎉

  • @Nervisor23
    @Nervisor23 2 месяца назад +1

    Atleast we can still on some of them (lufthansa uses some of em)
    And emirates of course.

  • @mrwelshaviation_024
    @mrwelshaviation_024 2 месяца назад

    I really like it, not because it’s big, but because it takes some crazy engineering and technology to make it and I really like that kinda stuff

  • @Aviator1770
    @Aviator1770 2 месяца назад

    Finally new video again!

  • @Repcak95
    @Repcak95 2 месяца назад +3

    Its my dream to fly this amazing plane at least once in my life, passanger or pilot

  • @arthurallan3149
    @arthurallan3149 2 месяца назад

    I’ve been in one literally just like any other flight except your aware of the fact that somebody is above you/below you

  • @helena9558
    @helena9558 2 месяца назад

    Crazy data!😊

  • @captainpineapples6363
    @captainpineapples6363 2 месяца назад +1

    While the a380 is a very impressive feat of aeronautical engineering, I feel like it was a major misread from Airbus on where the airline industry was heading.
    I live near Pearson Airport ( YYZ) and it was pretty cool seeing one of these land from a distance about three years ago.

  • @Random_Eebs
    @Random_Eebs 2 месяца назад +2

    It truly breaks my heart seeing a 380 or 747 sitting in a scrapyard. Just thinking of all the history and glory💔
    4:18 middle esstern moment

  • @RandomAviationPerson
    @RandomAviationPerson 2 месяца назад

    3:51 - 3:58, I agree 747 is better than A380 was still somewhat successful, also… misspelling of eastern at 4:21. :D Great work as always though!

    • @RandomAviationPerson
      @RandomAviationPerson 2 месяца назад

      Although I take that back, maybe you made a new word, “Middle Esstern”.

  • @theairfairy_
    @theairfairy_ 2 месяца назад +1

    I flew the British airways A380 o’hare to Heathrow. It was a pleasant ride there and I had no complaints. But I day before we were due to fly out they cancelled our flight ( on a A380 ) back to O’hare. ( still with British airlines ) they rebooked us on a flight to Houston, and then a American Airlines flight to o’hare. The real pain was A. The flight was longer because to get to Houston we literally fly over Chicago. And B. Some how our luggage didn’t get put on even tho we gave it to some “ baggage “ attendants who where goofing off. We did get our bags back, and I think they later said the flight was canceled because we didn’t have many people on our flight so they canceled it so they could use the a380 for some other flight with more people.

  • @Milo_Kit62
    @Milo_Kit62 24 дня назад

    I love the editing and all! The music is just a bit too loud 🥲

    • @Milo_Kit62
      @Milo_Kit62 23 дня назад

      I get a notification so ill say more:
      Maybe a bit too loud for me, but please keep making more content i love the humor sprinkle in 🗣️🗣️🗣️

  • @ChesterJaedenNamoc
    @ChesterJaedenNamoc 4 дня назад

    the a380 might be gone in the future but it will always stay in our hearts.

  • @astroshrimpy6784
    @astroshrimpy6784 2 месяца назад

    Dude I love this, but man pls make a 747 version of this it would mean a lot to me and other avgeeks🙏

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад

      I have made a few videos about the 747, check them out in my “aircraft” playlist.

  • @The_A350
    @The_A350 2 месяца назад +1

    Common Ice711 W

  • @picklelikespizza
    @picklelikespizza 2 месяца назад

    the transition at 4:20 from emirates to etihad was crazy

  • @Cheeserolls-xe1eu
    @Cheeserolls-xe1eu 2 месяца назад

    Fun fact: stockholm arlanda AirPort in sweden has a special runway for A380s and 747s even though they dont land there

  • @syntaxerror5921
    @syntaxerror5921 2 месяца назад +2

    The a380 is still making a comeback tho

  • @SouthernAviationEdits
    @SouthernAviationEdits 2 месяца назад

    when you see an a380 land at an airport such as auckland airport, it is a hype moment for all the avgeeks planespotting at that moment

  • @user-zs4lb4fu4y
    @user-zs4lb4fu4y 2 месяца назад

    10000/11 video👍👍👍

  • @britishairwaysinfinity
    @britishairwaysinfinity 2 месяца назад

    Emirates when purchasing another A380:SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

  • @LokiBaker
    @LokiBaker 2 месяца назад

    very nice

  • @SeanXSF
    @SeanXSF Месяц назад

    0:38 I saw those planes from changi beach

  • @2C_2024
    @2C_2024 2 месяца назад +1

    There are other planes almost as big or bigger than the Airbus A380:
    1) Boeing 747-8
    2) Lockheed C-5M Super Galaxy
    3) Antonov An-124 Ruslan
    4) Antonov An-22 Antei
    5) Stratolaunch Roc
    6) Airbus Beluga
    7) Boeing Dreamlifter
    8) Antonov An-225 Mryia
    9) Hughes H-4 Hercules
    10) Radia WindRunner [Recently introduced]
    11) Litrally Any Airships/Blimps

  • @Aoi_mm2
    @Aoi_mm2 26 дней назад

    3:30 the green even bigger plane in the back☠

  • @flix6129
    @flix6129 2 месяца назад +1

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @Xdvictory
    @Xdvictory 2 месяца назад +1

    Air bus is getting so big they should make a plane cruise

  • @XyloNe112
    @XyloNe112 2 месяца назад +1

    I forgot that this plane existed 💀

  • @Qantas211
    @Qantas211 2 месяца назад +1

    I saw 2 A380 one emirates and a British airways

  • @edensk8165
    @edensk8165 Месяц назад

    France: I made the biggest airliner!
    Also France: I'm retiring my biggest airliner after 16 years.

  • @Greg-js4wv
    @Greg-js4wv 2 месяца назад +2

    Me: man this plane sucks
    News show: and yes there’s a gym on bord!
    Me: oh ok nvm

  • @C0nn0r01-qx1io
    @C0nn0r01-qx1io 2 месяца назад

    How did you get the name ice711???

    • @ice711real
      @ice711real  2 месяца назад

      Ice= Iceland
      7/11= 7th of November (my bday)

  • @MoonWave170
    @MoonWave170 2 месяца назад +1

    That super sad tbh
    I hope that B777-300 will be in service for the next 17 years

  • @75Goat
    @75Goat 2 месяца назад

    the way you showed the pins to the beat had me dying of laughter

  • @Nicolas-zw5ex
    @Nicolas-zw5ex 2 месяца назад +1

    I believe Aerolineas Argentinas for the sake of spending money would've bought some of these

  • @Sbsfanlol_98499
    @Sbsfanlol_98499 2 месяца назад

    The definition of the monstrous cruiser :

  • @PixelGoose
    @PixelGoose 2 месяца назад +1

    I had this dream of just driving down a highway and there’s this giant silhouette of a plane under some giant
    Sheets. After a second the sheets unravel and on the side of the plane says A390 and then I see an extra floor and I’m like holy crap holy moly I need to take a picture of this 😂

  • @neilious01
    @neilious01 2 месяца назад

    I’m spying on ice711 still