What a beautiful person! I wish people were more accepting of this back then. It's also a shame that some people asked such ridiculous questions but she handled everything perfectly!
When Caroline's mom said it was her duty to love n respect and to support her daughter that brought tears to my eyes ..I just want to say I know it must of been absolourley horrible and heart breaking being found out about being born w/ male genitaila ..I'm a trans sexual woman ..everything you say makes sense ..you give me the courage confidence and capability to love myself
I wish I had her mother who loved me. I was violently abused by my mother because of my gender feelings. I am also trans and I was transitioning when this episode aired. Thank you Caroline.
Tula Has it all? She's got the look.👀 She's got the brain.🧠 S she's got the body and she's got the attitude so Bravo bravo to Tula. And it's true. That that if you're not a pretty face wise, they're gonna leave you in the back burner. I should ☝️know that because I had a lot of 🚪doors opened. all because of my face.👱♀️
40:55 What a beautiful moment between mamma and daughter. Such loving mamma, - that look was everything, plus the smile that followed. Incredible story, I don't know her but am intrigued to hear her explanation. How lucky is she to have had such loving parents/ family in general. I enjoyed this.. ♡♡♡ xx..
Tula is a beautiful woman, inside and out...a true heroine. In 1989, Cossey's case reached the European High Court in Strasbourg, where it was examined by the European Court of Human Rights. They agreed with Cossey and decided that she should legally be recognized as a woman in England. That year, the sex on Cossey's birth certificate was changed from male to female.
Apparently the term intersex wasn't YET in vogue when Tula came out. That would accurately describe her. She said she's XXXY. Interestingly there are XY females who only learn they're different when they fail to menstruate and discover they have internal testes. However, externally they usually look totally female!! "Tula, you were really sassy and aggressive during your last visit with us...." The look on Tula's face was priceless. LMAO!!! I do miss Phil Donahue's sense of humor and whit!!!
So very grateful for you, uploading all these. As a Gay man, and Queer activist, I am splendid to see other members of my community who have been 'on the front lines' for years saying what is only beginning to be payed attention to, now. Grazie Mille!
What a good family good mother and father supportive of their daughter in inner in a really difficult situation real Christian people decent god loving sweet people
Very sweet and dignified,no questions phased her,she handled them all with grace.Such a beautiful woman,with a lovely personality,she deserves all the happiness in the world and so nice that her husband David and her are still together after such a long time,good on them,mine only lasted 7 years lol
I think Caroline has done a lot to educate the public on transgenders I have learned a lot about transgender people from listening to Caroline speak on different shows over the years she has done a lot to be proud of
Wait a minute . She didn’t tell the first guy her secret until two years later ? She is very lucky that he didn’t try to kill her or physically hurt her in someway after he found out the secret . That’s something you just don’t forget to discuss , when your in a serious relationship. Especially. If they already been intimate in some way before hand .
@@sandradee1579 I thought that too. It looks like it would be a hard thing to hide. Although I knew a trans that lived in a very small town in Louisiana where she grew up and she claimed she dated men all the time that were unaware she was born a male. I'm skeptical of that, though. Wouldn't the towns people or her family eventually 'out' her?
@@vivienneandersson6019right really weird the go to narrative some spew. Reality is most men get it and non trans women are killed for even less than that
I wish the mother-in-law never found out about Caroline's identity. Only her husband really needed to know and it was their relationship. You can feel how you feel about any consentual relationship, but you should not hurt consenting people with it.
American adverts were/are so frequent! It's like every 5 minutes. And each break is long too. These, at least, are interesting because of the historical/kitsch value but still!
That man stood in line all that time just to ask “does it say male or female on your drivers license”? REALLY SIR???? It doesn’t say either…it says “DIVA”!
Simon Woods RUclips channel says "it's all in the bones." If ever you're in question, look to the bones. A man will go down stairs differently than a woman, as a woman has to splay her knees a bit to go down stairs do to the fact that SHE has wider hip (bones). The walking gate of a man and woman is different as well. Always look to the bones, they don't lie. Cosmetic surgery often can not cover up what the truth of bones reveal. Look to things like the male long arms, finger joints, boxy sholders, jawline, atom's apple, eye ridge, forehead slant, high hairline, male long neck, big feet and hands, Adonis belt, etc., etc The bones never lie.
I think her eyes look male. I think something you didn’t mention is not the shape of the eyes per se, but the look behind the eyes itself. The gaze is male. I can always tell by the male gaze behind the eyes. Also when she frowns, her brow seems masculine. It’s different in women. Her bone structure is also male, yes. It’s a pretty masculinity though so she passes but if you look at her face closely, it’s a male face. It’s just larger, wider, more structured than a female face. Having said that, it’s not a criticism, just an observation.
I get theres different opinions.....yet in the end, if this individual wants to live his/her life a certain way...in this case a trans, why should i hate??? Does not affect me personally. I will say this my respect to tula how she handled the interviews regardless of some negativity from the audience....calm cool and collected.
What strikes me is how much more intelligent the people were on this show were compared to what you get these days, Donahue, Tula and her mother. Is humanity regressing in some way I wonder ? even talk show guests and hosts in Spain, they're not as coherent and articulate. Even the audience seem to be more intelligent ! my god are we all going to end up like that scenario in movie "Idiocracy" ?
There were always idiots , but we definitely were a more open and certainly a smarter less judgemental nation back then........hoping we find our way back to civility. 🙏☮️
First time I've watched all of this,,,, phew some serious questions and you stayed so strong and calm,, that mullet head with the question "did yuuuuuw havvve an owwwwwgasummmmm" lol x
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Personally, I don't understand why did Caroline Cossey have to have a nickname like "Tula"? Also, I am confused with which term to use: Transexual or Transgender?
Robert Polanco because in her book she worked as a show girl and a coworker at the time new she was a trans woman who told her bf. She didn’t want to associate her career with those who new her previously. That same guy outed her to the presses
Transsexual is the old term for what’s commonly called transgender nowadays, the distinction is a transsexual has physically transitioned and a transgender person does not have to have medically transitioned to use the term transgender
The letter writer who wasn’t a fan of the cover. The writer had the nerve to partially describe the magazine as “wholesome”…then go on to say it went too far?? 🤣🤣🤣 I am neither a fan or foe of the magazine. I’m almost 60 years old, so of course I’ve seen some of the pictures. Back then it made me uncomfortable, but not angry. I say as long as no one gets hurt in any way, live and let live for everything in life. That being said, I’ve known quite a few hypocrites in my life. Something they all had in common - at least the ones I knew - was they knew what they were doing, but would go to their graves denying it. These weren’t bad people. Their hypocrisy was on a scale from 1 - 10…10 being the worst because people got hurt, they were a 3 or 4. But would never admit it. Never any evidence or paper trail. Maybe this letter writing hypocrite was from a new breed. The word “wholesome” described by Oxford Dictionary: promoting MORAL well being Many people have the opinion that the magazine is disgusting, smut, etc. They would not describe it as Wholesome. If this story were present day, I would have to shove the “in your face hypocrisy” in a place where te writer prays there will be no papercuts!! Not because he’s a hypocrite (I pretty sure it’s a male). I would do it because he’s judging a person he knows nothing about!!! I wasn’t sure what this was about until about 5 minutes in. So Mr Wholesome, if you’re still able to see the magazine, I hope you educated yourself another subjects you know nothing about. And I hope you picked up a dictionary more often.
She's not a man, she was born intersex (look it up). XXXY. Female and male. Then they have to choose. And she was more female than male. What she didn't fully explain here but didn't mention in another show is that she basically only had an enlarged clitoris and not a fully-developed penis. This is common among intersex persons. If you look at her face before the sex change/gender reassignment, you would realize that she fully looked like a women back then... in the face, because she was literally a mix of the two, chromosomally. She wasn't transgender, but they didn't have the term intersex back then, so she used the only term she knew which was transexual. She wasn't like Caitlyn Jenner, etc. Not to disrespect Jenner and other transexuals. Education is so important.
Caroline , 'transgender' is a better word. I'm a trans woman but also "asexual", I have no interest in it at all, I'm a loner, I'm leaning toward lesbianism
I know your post is 3 years old, but I feel the same. I started the transition back in '79 in a Galveston, Texas gender clinic when I was 19. I too am asexual and a loner. I had one boyfriend years ago as trans and it was a disaster. Never again! I like cats better.
I'm trying to understand.. your first playboy spread was done under the guise of you being a woman? But then in 91 it was known you were Trans? The info on this is not very clear. Thanks
She's not a man, she was born intersex (look it up). XXXY. Female and male. Then they have to choose. And she was more female than male. What she didn't fully explain here but didn't mention in another show is that she basically only had an enlarged clitoris and not a fully-developed penis. This is common among intersex persons. If you look at her face before the sex change/gender reassignment, you would realize that she fully looked like a women back then... in the face, because she was literally a mix of the two, chromosomally. She wasn't transgender, but they didn't have the term intersex back then, so she used the only term she knew which was transexual. She wasn't like Caitlyn Jenner, etc. Not to disrespect Jenner and other transexuals. Education is so important.
As a Christian I have no idea what to make of this. However, she is a human being deserving of love, support and encouragement. She is clearly a beautiful person and there is no room for judgement here.
Tula has been my inspiration.
You better let God be your inspiration.
I support you. Do what makes you happy. ❤
You couldn't get a more 1990s intro than that of Phil Donahue since late 1990, saxophone and all!
She always handles herself with dignity, which is good! Donahue wasn't so bad of an interviewer compared to others shows she's been on.
Donahue is really cool. I can see he was supportive, even if the audience members were rude and said dumb things. Plus Tula is a very classy lady.
😂
What a beautiful person! I wish people were more accepting of this back then. It's also a shame that some people asked such ridiculous questions but she handled everything perfectly!
She is fabulous and classy as hell !!!! .... and most people are simple idiots ! So happy that she found love finally with David Finch. 🩷🙏☮️
I admire her alot. She handles herself with class and dignity! And she is gorgeous! 💕💕
When Caroline's mom said it was her duty to love n respect and to support her daughter that brought tears to my eyes ..I just want to say I know it must of been absolourley horrible and heart breaking being found out about being born w/ male genitaila ..I'm a trans sexual woman ..everything you say makes sense ..you give me the courage confidence and capability to love myself
I'm Tired Of It Too how rude. Everyone deserves loving parents, its not entitlement. Coming from someone with shitty parents, youre an asshole 🖤
I wish I had her mother who loved me. I was violently abused by my mother because of my gender feelings. I am also trans and I was transitioning when this episode aired. Thank you Caroline.
Just wonderful words. God bless 💋
Beauty is beauty, physically speaking ~ while this lovely woman is a beautiful Being and Soul as well.
Tula Has it all? She's got the look.👀 She's got the brain.🧠 S she's got the body and she's got the attitude so Bravo bravo to Tula. And it's true.
That that if you're not a pretty face wise, they're gonna leave you in the back burner. I should ☝️know that because I had a lot of 🚪doors opened. all because of my face.👱♀️
40:55 What a beautiful moment between mamma and daughter. Such loving mamma, - that look was everything, plus the smile that followed. Incredible story, I don't know her but am intrigued to hear her explanation. How lucky is she to have had such loving parents/ family in general. I enjoyed this.. ♡♡♡ xx..
Interesting how talk shows used to allow questions/input from the audience. Something that does not happen now.
She is a trailblazer, helped so many doors to open by her Positive talk show interviews.
Total icon 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
Ur a amazing Caroline. You have done so much for the community by putting yourself out there.
Her dear mother was special a true mother and her number one fan .
So happy to see you posting here on You Tube Caroline. You've done so much for us.
Such an icon, an angel.. my hero always
And such a lovely person too .
Icon 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
Tula is a wonderful human beeing and she was all her life a wonderful woman
Tula is a beautiful woman, inside and out...a true heroine.
In 1989, Cossey's case reached the European High Court in Strasbourg, where it was examined by the European Court of Human Rights. They agreed with Cossey and decided that she should legally be recognized as a woman in England. That year, the sex on Cossey's birth certificate was changed from male to female.
Hi, Caroline. You are so beautiful. Please don't have any plastic surgery. There is nothing wrong with getting older with grace.
U áre very Smart!!!!
Thank You Tula for All your activism. 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
What's with the gay pride rainbows? She's not gay, so stop putting everyone in the same box.
Apparently the term intersex wasn't YET in vogue when Tula came out. That would accurately describe her. She said she's XXXY. Interestingly there are XY females who only learn they're different when they fail to menstruate and discover they have internal testes. However, externally they usually look totally female!!
"Tula, you were really sassy and aggressive during your last visit with us...." The look on Tula's face was priceless. LMAO!!! I do miss Phil Donahue's sense of humor and whit!!!
She's beautiful and classy as hell, love her voice too.
It's a he get it straight
@@elgeneralxx having a bad day, champ?
@@thebatmanwhoposts9600 bop! Bopping your lips bop bop bop bop bop! Bopping!!
@@elgeneralxx I'm sorry, I don't understand your accent.
@@thebatmanwhoposts9600 it's ok I don't either
I miss Phil! 80’s and 90’s were the best. Caitlyn Jenner should give props to Tula.
Caitlyn isn't a 1/10 of the person Caroline is.
So very grateful for you, uploading all these. As a Gay man, and Queer activist, I am splendid to see other members of my community who have been 'on the front lines' for years saying what is only beginning to be payed attention to, now. Grazie Mille!
She’s beautiful. Much more beautiful than most women.
Must be the extra x chromosome.
"When he said "Be careful here" that made me so sad. I'm glad times have changed💜
We've come a long way baby! 👍👍✌
What a good family good mother and father supportive of their daughter in inner in a really difficult situation real Christian people decent god loving sweet people
Hard to imagine she was born male..she’s gorgeous
By far a knockout in her beauty . All I can say is wow
Not a lady its a man
Very sweet and dignified,no questions phased her,she handled them all with grace.Such a beautiful woman,with a lovely personality,she deserves all the happiness in the world and so nice that her husband David and her are still together after such a long time,good on them,mine only lasted 7 years lol
I miss the 80s/90s hair...I would never have guessed this was a former man, other than a slightly deep voice...beautiful and feminine
Me either, I would never guess this person was ever male other than she seems like she's hiding something.
I think Caroline has done a lot to educate the public on transgenders I have learned a lot about transgender people from listening to Caroline speak on different shows over the years she has done a lot to be proud of
This woman is such an amazing woman
Tula was a trailblazer , broke ground for so many , 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
i love you Tula xxxx
12:01 22:09 29:10 40:52 theme song
Wait a minute . She didn’t tell the first guy her secret until two years later ? She is very lucky that he didn’t try to kill her or physically hurt her in someway after he found out the secret . That’s something you just don’t forget to discuss , when your in a serious relationship. Especially. If they already been intimate in some way before hand .
That's exactly what I thought too! How does that topic not come into play in 2 years? Doesn't make sense?
She gave hints and wanted first that he gets to know her. Also when he found he was very accepting…
Why would you kill someone because of that?
@@sandradee1579 I thought that too. It looks like it would be a hard thing to hide. Although I knew a trans that lived in a very small town in Louisiana where she grew up and she claimed she dated men all the time that were unaware she was born a male. I'm skeptical of that, though. Wouldn't the towns people or her family eventually 'out' her?
@@vivienneandersson6019right really weird the go to narrative some spew. Reality is most men get it and non trans women are killed for even less than that
I wish the term intersex had been Mainstream during this time. It would have helped people understand.
I wish the mother-in-law never found out about Caroline's identity. Only her husband really needed to know and it was their relationship. You can feel how you feel about any consentual relationship, but you should not hurt consenting people with it.
So if she still alive, she'd be in her 70's now I believe, I bet she's still Beautiful
She’s 67 now and still a knockout I’m sure
She looks older of course...
Look at Paulina porizkova too.
But they áre amazing people and they became to be icons!!!
Google it... yes
If I was her mother I would say look at her she's so beautiful
American adverts were/are so frequent! It's like every 5 minutes. And each break is long too. These, at least, are interesting because of the historical/kitsch value but still!
Beautiful woman
That man stood in line all that time just to ask “does it say male or female on your drivers license”? REALLY SIR???? It doesn’t say either…it says “DIVA”!
Simon Woods RUclips channel says "it's all in the bones." If ever you're in question, look to the bones. A man will go down stairs differently than a woman, as a woman has to splay her knees a bit to go down stairs do to the fact that SHE has wider hip (bones). The walking gate of a man and woman is different as well.
Always look to the bones, they don't lie. Cosmetic surgery often can not cover up what the truth of bones reveal. Look to things like the male long arms, finger joints, boxy sholders, jawline, atom's apple, eye ridge, forehead slant, high hairline, male long neck, big feet and hands, Adonis belt, etc., etc
The bones never lie.
I think her eyes look male. I think something you didn’t mention is not the shape of the eyes per se, but the look behind the eyes itself. The gaze is male. I can always tell by the male gaze behind the eyes. Also when she frowns, her brow seems masculine. It’s different in women. Her bone structure is also male, yes. It’s a pretty masculinity though so she passes but if you look at her face closely, it’s a male face. It’s just larger, wider, more structured than a female face. Having said that, it’s not a criticism, just an observation.
I get theres different opinions.....yet in the end, if this individual wants to live his/her life a certain way...in this case a trans, why should i hate??? Does not affect me personally. I will say this my respect to tula how she handled the interviews regardless of some negativity from the audience....calm cool and collected.
What strikes me is how much more intelligent the people were on this show were compared to what you get these days, Donahue, Tula and her mother. Is humanity regressing in some way I wonder ? even talk show guests and hosts in Spain, they're not as coherent and articulate. Even the audience seem to be more intelligent ! my god are we all going to end up like that scenario in movie "Idiocracy" ?
There were always idiots , but we definitely were a more open and certainly a smarter less judgemental nation back then........hoping we find our way back to civility. 🙏☮️
hints of Dianna
Not the main takeaway but seeing the news report of Robert Maxwell's death is so weird now
Omg and the gas advert
My 80's crush 🥰
Me too 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
Her voice sounds like Julie Dawn Cole
He sounds like a bathtub
She inspires me to restart my transitioning again..💖
You’re weird
Your a weirdo vicente
I hope all goes well 💚 can I ask why restart? Did you stop at some point?
Legally I can understand their plight. Putting it the way she did, she could be arrested and put in a Male Prison, that is a conflict.
Donahue is a goof
💯💯
Caroline’s father was wonderful.
She is a very beautiful lady
The rights I has today is thanks to Caroline
They were shocked that her mom loved her... my god it was her child. What would you expect
Back in the bad old days.
Loved her mother
that gas company commercial is way off about the future
First time I've watched all of this,,,, phew some serious questions and you stayed so strong and calm,, that mullet head with the question "did yuuuuuw havvve an owwwwwgasummmmm" lol x
I know, small pea brain thinking of his Dick Lol
49:38 WILL YOUR VCR REPAIR SHOP RIP YOU OFF??? thats a good question lol
I'd Love to Interview her Today in this day an Age 2020
Don't you love the Phil Donahue theme song I do
Lol, Yeah, that Whole Time/era was great , I was between 10-12 around then
8:22 CAN'T COMPUTE...CAN'T COMPUTE...
She said she didn't want to take the "Active Role". Meaning she didn't want to pursue a man, she wanted a man to pursue her.
@@benbelzer8303 I get it all just fine. I was just giving words to the comically confused expression on that guy's face at that 8:22.
@@PokeySoggybottom I see. 😅 It's funny I misunderstood. Lol
Who is permitted to comment on RUclips? ...
RUclips POLICE seem to shadow-ban every comment we make, and probably this one too! ...Has anyone else experienced the same commy control?
Personally, I don't understand why did Caroline Cossey have to have a nickname like "Tula"? Also, I am confused with which term to use: Transexual or Transgender?
Robert Polanco because in her book she worked as a show girl and a coworker at the time new she was a trans woman who told her bf. She didn’t want to associate her career with those who new her previously. That same guy outed her to the presses
Transsexual is the old term for what’s commonly called transgender nowadays, the distinction is a transsexual has physically transitioned and a transgender person does not have to have medically transitioned to use the term transgender
The letter writer who wasn’t a fan of the cover. The writer had the nerve to partially describe the magazine as “wholesome”…then go on to say it went too far?? 🤣🤣🤣 I am neither a fan or foe of the magazine. I’m almost 60 years old, so of course I’ve seen some of the pictures. Back then it made me uncomfortable, but not angry. I say as long as no one gets hurt in any way, live and let live for everything in life.
That being said, I’ve known quite a few hypocrites in my life. Something they all had in common - at least the ones I knew - was they knew what they were doing, but would go to their graves denying it. These weren’t bad people. Their hypocrisy was on a scale from 1 - 10…10 being the worst because people got hurt, they were a 3 or 4. But would never admit it. Never any evidence or paper trail.
Maybe this letter writing hypocrite was from a new breed.
The word “wholesome” described by Oxford Dictionary:
promoting MORAL well being
Many people have the opinion that the magazine is disgusting, smut, etc. They would not describe it as Wholesome.
If this story were present day, I would have to shove the “in your face hypocrisy” in a place where te writer prays there will be no papercuts!!
Not because he’s a hypocrite (I pretty sure it’s a male). I would do it because he’s judging a person he knows nothing about!!! I wasn’t sure what this was about until about 5 minutes in. So Mr Wholesome, if you’re still able to see the magazine, I hope you educated yourself another subjects you know nothing about. And I hope you picked up a dictionary more often.
A man will always be a man.
She's not a man, she was born intersex (look it up). XXXY. Female and male. Then they have to choose. And she was more female than male. What she didn't fully explain here but didn't mention in another show is that she basically only had an enlarged clitoris and not a fully-developed penis. This is common among intersex persons. If you look at her face before the sex change/gender reassignment, you would realize that she fully looked like a women back then... in the face, because she was literally a mix of the two, chromosomally. She wasn't transgender, but they didn't have the term intersex back then, so she used the only term she knew which was transexual. She wasn't like Caitlyn Jenner, etc. Not to disrespect Jenner and other transexuals.
Education is so important.
Hii tula i am also feel like you
Did anyone else hear the news report about GUILANE (sic) Maxwell's Father being found dead?!!
He died in the 90s
Imso lost? 😢😢
As beautiful as she is we must remember that she was born a man. God does not make mistakes
Did Tula grow facial hair prior to 1974?
no. She is actually intersex. XXY.
Watch part 1
If the surgery had turned out you looked like Whoopie Goldberg, would you have done it. (I fear not)
God 😢please forgive us.
Caroline , 'transgender' is a better word. I'm a trans woman but also "asexual", I have no interest in it at all, I'm a loner, I'm leaning toward lesbianism
I know your post is 3 years old, but I feel the same. I started the transition back in '79 in a Galveston, Texas gender clinic when I was 19. I too am asexual and a loner. I had one boyfriend years ago as trans and it was a disaster. Never again! I like cats better.
Wholesome conservative? It’s literally naked women from the jump.
I'm trying to understand.. your first playboy spread was done under the guise of you being a woman? But then in 91 it was known you were Trans? The info on this is not very clear. Thanks
Playboy knew that she was trans. She was also in a Power Station video. (some like it hot)
4:05 look at tge look of disgust she has lol bigot and also a heat wave in November? That's strange
mabie she thinks its weird as it is. if she didnt want to be there she could of stayed home
Donahue is jewish not irish
He is Irish. Look it up.
Its a he ..not she. A dog is a dog not a cat.
Thank you
Oh shut up
They're different animals you dimwit. Go see a therapist
Vai a merda
She's not a man, she was born intersex (look it up). XXXY. Female and male. Then they have to choose. And she was more female than male. What she didn't fully explain here but didn't mention in another show is that she basically only had an enlarged clitoris and not a fully-developed penis. This is common among intersex persons. If you look at her face before the sex change/gender reassignment, you would realize that she fully looked like a women back then... in the face, because she was literally a mix of the two, chromosomally. She wasn't transgender, but they didn't have the term intersex back then, so she used the only term she knew which was transexual. She wasn't like Caitlyn Jenner, etc. Not to disrespect Jenner and other transexuals.
Education is so important.
As a Christian I have no idea what to make of this. However, she is a human being deserving of love, support and encouragement. She is clearly a beautiful person and there is no room for judgement here.
As a Christian, you should love thy neighbour without judgement. Isn't that what Jesus did? Are you following Jesus or a book written by man?