You can be a Tarantino fan and still acknowledge that he made a mockery of Bruce Lee in the film. In an era where 40 years later we STILL barely have respectable major roles for Asians in Hollywood films. (And if you reference the small handful of films with Asian actors from the last 40 years you're only proving my point).
"Mockery" the only mockery he made, was that of all the countless, starry-eyed fans, that think of Lee as a god, and not just a man. Small men get pummeled by bigger men, if they both have fighting experience. That's just reality. The only people that have issue with seeing Bruce get tossed like a rag doll, are people who a. Don't know or understand history/reality, and b. Think Lee was some immortal god. I'm extremely happy people like yourself got a wake up call.
@@djstrongarmgmail You are projecting biased assumptions on to someone you have never spoken to before. And you seem to be attempting to rebuttal imaginary statements I have never made. If you want to have a civil discussion, be my guest. But I will not engage inflammatory remarks. Try again.
Chinese culture still takes a hit in 2021. Warrior so deserves a full story. Now I'm having to accept that Warrior's brilliant cast, set designers, clothiers, producers and writers, will be in new contracts by the time HBO finally wakes up.
I agree with Tobin. I walked out when I saw how Bruce Lee was portrayed. What a disgrace. Everyone is saying that it's just a movie but imagine if Rocky Marciano or John Wayne were portrayed in that light. There be a lot of butt hurt haoles.
Thank you, Jason, for pointing this out. The lack of a defined heroic archetype in Kill Bill is something that hadn't occurred to me before, and as for putting Uma Thurman in a yellow tracksuit and having people go "See, Quentin LOVES Bruce Lee"? That's like having a character who's dressed in a rhinestone jumpsuit and going "See, Quentin LOVES Elvis." What Quentin loves is the surface aspects of martial arts films, hence the swaggering, arrogant asshole in sunglasses who talks like a foulmouthed Confucius, claims he's the toughest guy in the room, then throws down with the first person who questions him. No depth, no subtlety, no empathy developed for a character who was featured so prominently in the trailers-nor was there meant to be. Because Quentin wasn't homaging Bruce; he was homaging all the cringey-ass imitators that came from milking the corpse of the dude who literally made the industry. Once Upon a Time was a tribute to BRUCEPLOITATION, and for the man who, to this day, is perhaps THE symbol of Asian pride? He deserved a helluva lot better.
It’s so hypocritical how Hollywood will make money off Bruce Lee any chance it gets for the last 50 years while he’s dead , yet more and more people in the last 5 years have taken shots at him or portrayed him badly. Typical Hollywood bullshit. No wonder the industry is dying
well spoken, you callin it straight. i especially like how you still admit how you like his films and appreciate him as a unique artist, but can still make a sound critique. respect bruddah!
As a fan of Bruce Lee, I thought the same thing. His portrayal was fine and served the movie, but don't turn around and say you're a fan of Bruce Lee. Got called out by fans and Lee's family so you know you did something wrong. Stick to making awesome movies...don't say you're a huge fan of a man/woman and then make them into a caricature.
@Oh Wait dude, ibdont care to prove you wrong. You obviously are 100% invested in someone else's life and yell at ppl on the internet. Haahaha I have better things to do with my life. Read some of what Bruxe Lee wrote on letting things go...it'll help you tremendously.
Tarantino takes so much inspiration from asian cinema, and still barely ever uses asian actors. Kill Bill is like a rewrite of Lady Snowblood, Even down to the stylistic use og bloodspatter. The Bruce Lee in Once upon... made Me cringe. Tarantino wasted an opportunity to play around with a legend.
Tarantino is proof of Hollywood continuing making films that portrays the Asian man as being weak. He created a make believe character a " John Wayne " type that ultimately puts the Chinese man in his place! Tarantino tries to justify the reason this guy can beat Bruce is because he was a ex green barret and killed people with his bare hands in the jungle, that's why he can destroy Bruce and real life someone like that can kill him. Well for myself, I've been in situations where I had to defend myself unprovoked, simply because of my race. Every time I was put in those situations I felt my life is in danger and can loose my life if I hesitate and not go "ALL OUT!" I'm definitely no where close to the skill level as the great Bruce Lee. My skill level in comparison to Bruce is me being a single grain of sand in a sand box. That being said do you think Bruce care of a person's background? I am certain he would respond the same for anyone that tries to harm him. I love Jason Tobin but I really disagree with him on playing that part in Tarantino's movie. Jason said he didn't like that scene but he would've taken that part if offered to him. I have a problem with that. If you were a true Bruce Lee fan and actor that portrayed him like that in the movie, then you go up to Bruce (if he was still living) and say I'm a huge fan, you think Bruce would be pleased?Tarantino said it was a fact that Bruce did not respect "American" stuntmen. Just imagine to "some" people at that time, thinking who's this little Chinese guy telling us how to and show us a better way? I bet this is what Bruce face regularly. Well anyways, it has been written on one account where Bruce was asked by a producer to show these two stuntmen some things. These guys were big linebacker type. They smirked and sized up Bruce. Bruce had one of them hold the pad. Bruce kicked it so hard that the stuntman flew into the swimming pool. The stuntman couldn't believe it! Now the second guy's turn, he was better prepared and really braced himself. Same outcome, it was said that they became believers and wanted Bruce to teach them some things.
hate to say it, i believe he hated the fact that Asians can star in a main lead role, and that shows he is straight up a producer in the 70's who believes the world is not ready.
I was training the martial arts when Bruce Lee was still alive. By good fortune, I learned several of his techniques because of his relationship to Joe Lewis and Joe's involvement with Tracy's Karate. I have to admit, the more I've learned about Lee, the more I see him as a real person, both good and bad.
You don't have to be a fan of Bruce to admire his greatness. Even atheists admit that Jesus, although fictional in their eyes, had profound words. Tarantino just hates Bruce and everything he stood for. Period. Ironic, since he created a fictional, wish fulfillment white character that can beat him. Cliff is not real, nor could he be real. However, Bruce was everything people who knew him very well, without bias or jealousy said (looking at you, Gene) and so much more.
What does everyone think of Jason's comments on Bruce Lee and Quentin Tarantino? Agree or disagree? You can watch the full episode of the Post Fight Podcast with Jason Tobin here: ruclips.net/video/HQ0RqBV1Gn8/видео.html
If Quentin Tarrentino is truly a Bruce Lee fan he should've done extensive research and the one person he should've gone to was Dan Inosanto. Inosanto was a close, personal and the senior student of Jeet Kun Do. When Inosanto talk's about Bruce Lee you can see how much history, wisdom he shares about his friend. Same goes to Taky Kimura who another of Lee's students, close friend who new Lee professional and personally. Tarrentino say's he is a fan but he completely dishonored Bruce Lee in this elseworld storyline. I have nothing against Mike Moh. Mike Moh was great as Bruce Lee, but I feel sorry that he had to work with a terrible script.
I agree. He made everyone even the killers and bums look cool and Bruce was the only dislikable character in the film. He relishes assholes and pisses on humanity which is in all of his films.
Folks, Tarantino is the modern day Marco Polo. He took and stole all the ideas from Asia and he brought it back to America and Americans think he's so original. If you can see through the bullshit, there is not one original decent honest thing he has created that he didn't steal from Asia. HE'S NOT AN ORIGINATOR! PERIOD.
Someone suggested for me to try to contact Tarantino for a copy of my grandpa's film which i am well aware he owns a film print of. But because of all the Bruce Lee thing, I'm just kinda iffy about it. Ironically enough, that movie was a Bruceploitation flick too.
The archetype in "Kill Bill" would be Pai Mei the white eye browed Buddhist priest that was prevalent in the Shaw Brothers Martial Arts films of the 70's.
Jason Tobin wasn’t talking about that archetype. He was talking about the archetype of the hero (the ones played by Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, and Jet Li). In Hollywood movies, many of the Asian actors in martial arts movies are relegated to playing characters such as Mr. Miyagi and Pai Mei, characters who aren’t the heroes but characters that the audience often poke fun at. The Bruce Lee character in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was relegated to that sort of character who gets mocked even though Bruce Lee is one of the most iconic heroes in cinematic history.
Also, the irony of a guy as arrogant as Tarantino claiming he made Bruce that way because he thought Bruce was arrogant. Like, wtf? Tarantino makes some good movies, but I think he spends a lot of time staring in the mirror saying "I'd do me".
Stuntman/martial artist Gene LeBell went toe to toe with Bruce on the set of The Green Hornet in 1966. The confrontation ended with LeBell picking Lee up and parading him around the set on his shoulders. Bruce could've been humiliated, but he was actually grateful because LeBell exposed a major flaw in Jeet Kune Do: the lack of grappling. The two men became friends and LeBell taught Lee some grappling techniques to incorporate into his martial art. This is what great athletes do. They WANT to discover weaknesses so they can shore them up. I get fans and family wanting to protect Bruce Lee's legacy, but Tarantino is only guilty of creating a mild fiction about something that actually happened.
Hi gene lebell could be lying about Bruce Lee because he has been know to lie about Bruce Lee before seems jealous like he praises Bruce Lee then says Ronda rousey could beat Bruce Lee.
@@kyleday5026 You should tell that to Bruce's biographer, Matthew Polly, who confirmed the story. I'm sure he'll appreciate your rigorous fact-checking.
Yeah, that is not exactly what happened. They were horsing around, Gene and Bruce were friends. They didn't go "Toe to Toe". Parts of your statement are accurate, but don't frame it as if there were some sort of brawl. Gene has nothing but great things to say about Bruce.
Of course Tarantino isn't a Bruce Lee fan. Bruce Lee made genuine martial arts action movies. Tarantino is a guy behind the camera coming up with dark comedy caricatures.. he lacks the authenticity the martial arts knowledge and the philosophical cultivation to actually make a true blue martial arts film. Kill Bill was nothing close to what Bruce Lee's films had.
Wow he gives Tarantino props despite QT shitting on his legacy by exploiting the man and appropriating him for his white badass protagonist. A kinder soul than I Tobin lol
Why do people keep harping on this? It is not a good defense. What QT did with Bruce's character was thoughtless, and his defense of it after the release of the movie confirms that he viewed Bruce that way. Tarantino clearly doesn't know nearly as much about Bruce as he thinks.
Tarantino is a phony, just steals other people’s ideas (especially Bruce Lee’s) and completely shit on him to make yourself original. Tarantino is the *Carlos Mencia* of Film making.
It wasn't a movie about Bruce Lee... It's a movie about a fictional character. Bruce Lee was a prop character to show what a badass Cliff Booth is, so the final scene with the Manson clan made sense. If anything, that scene was a compliment to Bruce Lee because Tarantino is saying "Cliff Booth is such a badass, he can beat Bruce Lee in a fight". People are reading way too much into that scene. Tobin is missing the point.
You say that, but there's still the *way* Bruce has portrayed to act, and the statements he made about beating Muhammad Ali that Tarrantino claims he said...yet Bruce never really said. Brad Pitt, the choreographer, and Mike Moh who played Bruce were all uneasy with the scene and went on record as saying that. Why would that be? I understand your point about using Bruce as a "prop character", but you could've had Cliff beat up a band of random thugs and muggers, get into a barfight with a fictional heavyweight boxer...the possibilities are endless, it's movie making. It's uncomfortable when you use probably the biggest Asian-American icon of all time as a punching bag, especially when Bruce faced so much real life racism in the industry. Imagine if a movie had a middle aged white man like Pitt beating up Muhammad Ali to bolster his character, or beating Michael Jordan in a game of basketball. And then on top of that you had the representation of those guys act like an asshole. Yeah...I don't think that would fly.
Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill wears a yellow suit with black stripes inspired by Bruce Lee's 'Game of Death' Quentin Tarantino is obviously a fan of Bruce Lee and this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Everyone is just mad that their hero was used in a comedic manner.
@@dojunwai you have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you're talking about. Op is correct. Your butt needs some ointment. Lee was aggressive and had a horrible temper. Almost got him shot.
James Tobin, you were so bothered by Tarantino's rendering of Bruce Lee in his film that you don't even consider that Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth are mockeries of actors from that era as well. Dalton is an alcoholic, completely out of step with the times, and is lampooned by nearly every one in the industry that he works with, which is made clear by the assessment of his career made by Al Pacino's character. And Cliff Booth lives in a goddamn trailer. Need I say more? Tarantino is both critiquing and celebrating male hollywood archetypes from that era, which includes Bruce Lee. If you didn't have such blinders on about Bruce Lee, you'd see that.
Bruce Lee just wasn't the main character of the film, so there's no time to develop his character. It was just a cameo. QT thought Lee was an arrogant guy, so he made fun of him for being arrogant.
@Nathan Crowther Lee was a jerk. It's too bad Jesse Glover passed away (for many many reasons) Not least of which, he would have been able to confirm that Bruce almost got shot in the face because of his ego and arrogance. I was SO happy when I saw the screen and saw Bruce finally being depicted as he truly was. Oh, did everyone forget QT showing also how patient and sweet of a man he was? Check the scenes of him teaching Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring. THAT'S the real Bruce. Angry, aggressive, and also EXTREMELY caring and compassionate to those that present no challenge. He was a good man...but a good man with many demons.
@@phoenixj1299 Again, having trained under Jesse Glovers finest student, and having a best buddy who trained under another student of Lee's (who agreed with the perspective that Lee was a pretty normal, hot headed, jerk, and also caring and interesting human),...I'd say I've done my research,...while you're indoors reading books.
Kill bill kung fu archtype was Pai Mai, an actual famous 70s actor and character in chinese kung fu movie/tv. This argument makes no sense, context is bunk and is darn near straw man.
There are plenty movies & other stuff that put Bruce Lee up on a pedestal!! So wat if theee is one movie that pokes a little fun at him. Stop whining!!
I agree. Since his death, everyone has treated Bruce as a god. I appreciated seeing a different take on his character. Maybe I would have done it differently, but I'm not mad about it 🤷🏽♂️
It isn't even making fun. It's a story taken straight out of Bruce's life, but fictionalized and made to fit the overall story perfectly. Bruce was JUST A MAN. He had a beautiful vision, and was a harder worker than most will ever know. He was also an arrogant egotist, and almost got shot by letting his dark side cloud his life choices, involving his friends and students. He was the very best of both worlds. Positive and negative. QTs depiction is one of the most real depictions of not just Bruce, but of any human conflicted by opposing energies.
Total straw-man arguments coming from Asians (who get offended and react when they feel any other Asian is being attacked) and seriously ill informed fans of Bruce Lee. BRUCE WAS JUST A MAN. And all people have an ego and a temper. I admire Bruce like no other man: he was a great philosopher, an amazing researcher, and trained harder and had a higher fight IQ than most people of his day. He also was a harsh father, incredibly arrogant and hot headed, and even made some morally questionable choices involving his students and friends, and almost got shot in the face for it,...all over his ego. Does this negate his impact on society and beautifully bridging two prosperous cultures? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, he was JUST A MAN. I LOVED his depiction in "Once upon a time" it made him HUMAN. And brought up the reality of fighting: "there is ALWAYS someone stronger/better." There were and are numerous fighters that could have, and would seriously hurt Bruce. Anyone who understands Bruce as a man and not a deified, cultural icon, had no issue with seeing a tall, brawny Cliff Booth toss a short little missile, into the side of a car. That's how real fights go down. Nit like some amazingly choreographed Kung Fu fight scene from a movie. I honestly think what Tarrantino did was one of the bigger shows of respect done to Lee's memory and lasting legacy. One that even his daughter and supposed "fans" have tried to spin and fictionalize...Lee was not a god...he was just a man.
I think that he is a fan of Bruce Lee, but he also recognizes that Lee was not the 'one and only' when it came to martial art cinema. He saw his arrogance, and that was clear in Once Upon...Hollywood. It seems possible that Lee was just a technical expert, but not a fighting expert. That's why he got his ass kicked in the film.
This guy is creepy. Tarantino was making fun of all the fanboys like this guy that say Bruce lee can beat up anyone. This guy is a supremacists through and through.
Phoenix J It’s a fictional character in a fictional universe you’re dumb ass. It’s not the real Bruce Lee if you haven’t noticed.It’s people like you that are ruining everything
Bruce Lee was a performer, not a fighter. There's almost no record of him ever participating in matches. His image was greatly exaggerated to sell movies. People are scared of the truth so they freak out when you bring up facts.
@@EthnHayabusa if you know so much, please detail how Bruce almost got shot in the head for allowing his ego and dark side to ruin his dearest friendship and end the gym in Seattle? I'll wait... Oh, and if your answer is "that never happened" then you've lost before you started. Now who "doesn't know enough."
It's sad, pathetic little fan boys/girls who don't understand the difference between reality and FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. Was he a bad ass? Yes. Could he have beaten most KNOWN fighters at that time. Absolutely. But, what these delusional fans don't understand is, there are people who are almost at super hero levels out there. People that NEVER show who they are or show off in any public fights. Scary...scary...people. They bought the ticket, took the ride and never bothered to question anything. I'm personally ecstatic seeing Bruce brought down a few pegs. I think BRUCE would be happy about it, too. He never wanted people to deify him. He just wanted to share what he knew....as a man.
@@djstrongarmgmail There is absolutely no evidence to back ur statement as there is no valid source for ur information. Bruce Lee is not an athlete MMA peeps. He is a real fighter. He's been a fighter from his childhood ,he defeated Wong jack man in real fight ,we also have proof that Bruce defeated a grandmaster in 11 seconds. I debunked ur statement.
You can be a Tarantino fan and still acknowledge that he made a mockery of Bruce Lee in the film. In an era where 40 years later we STILL barely have respectable major roles for Asians in Hollywood films. (And if you reference the small handful of films with Asian actors from the last 40 years you're only proving my point).
"Mockery" the only mockery he made, was that of all the countless, starry-eyed fans, that think of Lee as a god, and not just a man. Small men get pummeled by bigger men, if they both have fighting experience. That's just reality. The only people that have issue with seeing Bruce get tossed like a rag doll, are people who a. Don't know or understand history/reality, and b. Think Lee was some immortal god. I'm extremely happy people like yourself got a wake up call.
@@djstrongarmgmail You are projecting biased assumptions on to someone you have never spoken to before. And you seem to be attempting to rebuttal imaginary statements I have never made. If you want to have a civil discussion, be my guest. But I will not engage inflammatory remarks. Try again.
The movie is called Once upon a time...In Hollywood, if that doesn’t tell you what Kind of movie your watching I don’t know what will.
@@thehorrorcounselors4747 how much was based on real life?
@@eclipsewrecker How much of the mythology around Bruce Lee is real life?
i dont think there's any bruce lee fan that liked tarantino's depiction of bruce.
Chinese culture still takes a hit in 2021. Warrior so deserves a full story. Now I'm having to accept that Warrior's brilliant cast, set designers, clothiers, producers and writers, will be in new contracts by the time HBO finally wakes up.
They said season 3 will be out 2023 on hbo
I agree with Tobin. I walked out when I saw how Bruce Lee was portrayed. What a disgrace. Everyone is saying that it's just a movie but imagine if Rocky Marciano or John Wayne were portrayed in that light. There be a lot of butt hurt haoles.
Season 3 of warrior please!
HBOMax jus green lit season 3
Thank you, Jason, for pointing this out. The lack of a defined heroic archetype in Kill Bill is something that hadn't occurred to me before, and as for putting Uma Thurman in a yellow tracksuit and having people go "See, Quentin LOVES Bruce Lee"? That's like having a character who's dressed in a rhinestone jumpsuit and going "See, Quentin LOVES Elvis." What Quentin loves is the surface aspects of martial arts films, hence the swaggering, arrogant asshole in sunglasses who talks like a foulmouthed Confucius, claims he's the toughest guy in the room, then throws down with the first person who questions him. No depth, no subtlety, no empathy developed for a character who was featured so prominently in the trailers-nor was there meant to be. Because Quentin wasn't homaging Bruce; he was homaging all the cringey-ass imitators that came from milking the corpse of the dude who literally made the industry. Once Upon a Time was a tribute to BRUCEPLOITATION, and for the man who, to this day, is perhaps THE symbol of Asian pride? He deserved a helluva lot better.
It’s so hypocritical how Hollywood will make money off Bruce Lee any chance it gets for the last 50 years while he’s dead , yet more and more people in the last 5 years have taken shots at him or portrayed him badly.
Typical Hollywood bullshit. No wonder the industry is dying
well spoken, you callin it straight. i especially like how you still admit how you like his films and appreciate him as a unique artist, but can still make a sound critique. respect bruddah!
As a fan of Bruce Lee, I thought the same thing. His portrayal was fine and served the movie, but don't turn around and say you're a fan of Bruce Lee. Got called out by fans and Lee's family so you know you did something wrong. Stick to making awesome movies...don't say you're a huge fan of a man/woman and then make them into a caricature.
@Oh Wait what are you talking about dude?
@Oh Wait hahahaha "documented"....yea buddy, you cracked the case from your basement hahahahaha
@Oh Wait dude, ibdont care to prove you wrong. You obviously are 100% invested in someone else's life and yell at ppl on the internet. Haahaha I have better things to do with my life. Read some of what Bruxe Lee wrote on letting things go...it'll help you tremendously.
@Oh Wait bye super angry guy on the internet #1,372,747,637,632
You are very badly mistaken son
Tarantino takes so much inspiration from asian cinema, and still barely ever uses asian actors.
Kill Bill is like a rewrite of Lady Snowblood, Even down to the stylistic use og bloodspatter.
The Bruce Lee in Once upon... made Me cringe. Tarantino wasted an opportunity to play around with a legend.
Tarantino is proof of Hollywood continuing making films that portrays the Asian man as being weak. He created a make believe character a " John Wayne " type that ultimately puts the Chinese man in his place! Tarantino tries to justify the reason this guy can beat Bruce is because he was a ex green barret and killed people with his bare hands in the jungle, that's why he can destroy Bruce and real life someone like that can kill him. Well for myself, I've been in situations where I had to defend myself unprovoked, simply because of my race. Every time I was put in those situations I felt my life is in danger and can loose my life if I hesitate and not go "ALL OUT!" I'm definitely no where close to the skill level as the great Bruce Lee. My skill level in comparison to Bruce is me being a single grain of sand in a sand box. That being said do you think Bruce care of a person's background? I am certain he would respond the same for anyone that tries to harm him. I love Jason Tobin but I really disagree with him on playing that part in Tarantino's movie. Jason said he didn't like that scene but he would've taken that part if offered to him. I have a problem with that. If you were a true Bruce Lee fan and actor that portrayed him like that in the movie, then you go up to Bruce (if he was still living) and say I'm a huge fan, you think Bruce would be pleased?Tarantino said it was a fact that Bruce did not respect "American" stuntmen. Just imagine to "some" people at that time, thinking who's this little Chinese guy telling us how to and show us a better way? I bet this is what Bruce face regularly. Well anyways, it has been written on one account where Bruce was asked by a producer to show these two stuntmen some things. These guys were big linebacker type. They smirked and sized up Bruce. Bruce had one of them hold the pad. Bruce kicked it so hard that the stuntman flew into the swimming pool. The stuntman couldn't believe it! Now the second guy's turn, he was better prepared and really braced himself. Same outcome, it was said that they became believers and wanted Bruce to teach them some things.
hate to say it, i believe he hated the fact that Asians can star in a main lead role, and that shows he is straight up a producer in the 70's who believes the world is not ready.
Tarantino in an old interview said he was a Bruce Lai fan- a Bruce Lee rip off, and dismissed Bruce Lee.
We need season 3 now!!
I was training the martial arts when Bruce Lee was still alive. By good fortune, I learned several of his techniques because of his relationship to Joe Lewis and Joe's involvement with Tracy's Karate. I have to admit, the more I've learned about Lee, the more I see him as a real person, both good and bad.
Tarantino is just a remix director
You don't have to be a fan of Bruce to admire his greatness. Even atheists admit that Jesus, although fictional in their eyes, had profound words.
Tarantino just hates Bruce and everything he stood for. Period. Ironic, since he created a fictional, wish fulfillment white character that can beat him. Cliff is not real, nor could he be real. However, Bruce was everything people who knew him very well, without bias or jealousy said (looking at you, Gene) and so much more.
What does everyone think of Jason's comments on Bruce Lee and Quentin Tarantino? Agree or disagree?
You can watch the full episode of the Post Fight Podcast with Jason Tobin here: ruclips.net/video/HQ0RqBV1Gn8/видео.html
When is Warrior season 3 coming out?😌
2023
I think tarantino just used bruce lee to make brad pitt look stronger than he is to serve brad pitt's character.
Wrong
Wrong
Even Brad admits that Bruce would kill him.
If Quentin Tarrentino is truly a Bruce Lee fan he should've done extensive research and the one person he should've gone to was Dan Inosanto. Inosanto was a close, personal and the senior student of Jeet Kun Do. When Inosanto talk's about Bruce Lee you can see how much history, wisdom he shares about his friend. Same goes to Taky Kimura who another of Lee's students, close friend who new Lee professional and personally. Tarrentino say's he is a fan but he completely dishonored Bruce Lee in this elseworld storyline. I have nothing against Mike Moh. Mike Moh was great as Bruce Lee, but I feel sorry that he had to work with a terrible script.
It’s true
Tarantino wouldn’t have done that with Ali ?
Wonder why ?
Cause he's prob a coward...All racists are.
I agree. He made everyone even the killers and bums look cool and Bruce was the only dislikable character in the film. He relishes assholes and pisses on humanity which is in all of his films.
Jason Tobin God bless you kid,, I am a old fan of Master Bruce Lee,, since 1966 the green hornet,,is amazing,, that he has young fan's today,😔🤗🐉
Folks, Tarantino is the modern day Marco Polo. He took and stole all the ideas from Asia and he brought it back to America and Americans think he's so original. If you can see through the bullshit, there is not one original decent honest thing he has created that he didn't steal from Asia. HE'S NOT AN ORIGINATOR! PERIOD.
@3:07 Wellllll he DID.
The sword maker. Sony Chiba is the archetype he was supposed to be. So I guess your point is false
Jason is Correct ❤❤
Someone suggested for me to try to contact Tarantino for a copy of my grandpa's film which i am well aware he owns a film print of. But because of all the Bruce Lee thing, I'm just kinda iffy about it. Ironically enough, that movie was a Bruceploitation flick too.
The archetype in "Kill Bill" would be Pai Mei the white eye browed Buddhist priest that was prevalent in the Shaw Brothers Martial Arts films of the 70's.
Actually that isn't the archetype, that is the archetype of the master/sifu etc....
Jason Tobin wasn’t talking about that archetype. He was talking about the archetype of the hero (the ones played by Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, and Jet Li). In Hollywood movies, many of the Asian actors in martial arts movies are relegated to playing characters such as Mr. Miyagi and Pai Mei, characters who aren’t the heroes but characters that the audience often poke fun at. The Bruce Lee character in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was relegated to that sort of character who gets mocked even though Bruce Lee is one of the most iconic heroes in cinematic history.
Also, the irony of a guy as arrogant as Tarantino claiming he made Bruce that way because he thought Bruce was arrogant. Like, wtf? Tarantino makes some good movies, but I think he spends a lot of time staring in the mirror saying "I'd do me".
Stuntman/martial artist Gene LeBell went toe to toe with Bruce on the set of The Green Hornet in 1966. The confrontation ended with LeBell picking Lee up and parading him around the set on his shoulders. Bruce could've been humiliated, but he was actually grateful because LeBell exposed a major flaw in Jeet Kune Do: the lack of grappling. The two men became friends and LeBell taught Lee some grappling techniques to incorporate into his martial art. This is what great athletes do. They WANT to discover weaknesses so they can shore them up. I get fans and family wanting to protect Bruce Lee's legacy, but Tarantino is only guilty of creating a mild fiction about something that actually happened.
Hi gene lebell could be lying about Bruce Lee because he has been know to lie about Bruce Lee before seems jealous like he praises Bruce Lee then says Ronda rousey could beat Bruce Lee.
@@kyleday5026 You should tell that to Bruce's biographer, Matthew Polly, who confirmed the story. I'm sure he'll appreciate your rigorous fact-checking.
Yeah, that is not exactly what happened. They were horsing around, Gene and Bruce were friends. They didn't go "Toe to Toe". Parts of your statement are accurate, but don't frame it as if there were some sort of brawl. Gene has nothing but great things to say about Bruce.
Adios what a dumb fuck you are hahaha
@@kyleday5026 Debunked. Gene lied, which isn't surprising.
Of course Tarantino isn't a Bruce Lee fan. Bruce Lee made genuine martial arts action movies. Tarantino is a guy behind the camera coming up with dark comedy caricatures.. he lacks the authenticity the martial arts knowledge and the philosophical cultivation to actually make a true blue martial arts film.
Kill Bill was nothing close to what Bruce Lee's films had.
Finally a good response.
Wow he gives Tarantino props despite QT shitting on his legacy by exploiting the man and appropriating him for his white badass protagonist. A kinder soul than I Tobin lol
I can't imagine tarantino doing what he done to Bruce Lee to a black person, because that creep things he's black anyway.
Isn't there a point to be made about how the scene in the movie is a flashback of Brad Pitts character? We are seeing his version of it
Why do people keep harping on this? It is not a good defense. What QT did with Bruce's character was thoughtless, and his defense of it after the release of the movie confirms that he viewed Bruce that way. Tarantino clearly doesn't know nearly as much about Bruce as he thinks.
Long story short. ---You either hate bruce lee or you love him---.
Holy shit, it's a movie. It's a fairytale. This Bruce Lee is SUPPOSED to not be the same as the real one. It's that fucking simple.
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FH don't like it drop d..d HM
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was a horrible movie, the only reason they still talk about that movie, is because they dis Bruce Lee.
I hated the movie.
Tarantino is a phony, just steals other people’s ideas (especially Bruce Lee’s) and completely shit on him to make yourself original. Tarantino is the *Carlos Mencia* of Film making.
It wasn't a movie about Bruce Lee... It's a movie about a fictional character. Bruce Lee was a prop character to show what a badass Cliff Booth is, so the final scene with the Manson clan made sense. If anything, that scene was a compliment to Bruce Lee because Tarantino is saying "Cliff Booth is such a badass, he can beat Bruce Lee in a fight". People are reading way too much into that scene. Tobin is missing the point.
You say that, but there's still the *way* Bruce has portrayed to act, and the statements he made about beating Muhammad Ali that Tarrantino claims he said...yet Bruce never really said. Brad Pitt, the choreographer, and Mike Moh who played Bruce were all uneasy with the scene and went on record as saying that. Why would that be? I understand your point about using Bruce as a "prop character", but you could've had Cliff beat up a band of random thugs and muggers, get into a barfight with a fictional heavyweight boxer...the possibilities are endless, it's movie making. It's uncomfortable when you use probably the biggest Asian-American icon of all time as a punching bag, especially when Bruce faced so much real life racism in the industry. Imagine if a movie had a middle aged white man like Pitt beating up Muhammad Ali to bolster his character, or beating Michael Jordan in a game of basketball. And then on top of that you had the representation of those guys act like an asshole. Yeah...I don't think that would fly.
@@WarriorBoy EXACTLY!!!!
Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill wears a yellow suit with black stripes inspired by Bruce Lee's 'Game of Death' Quentin Tarantino is obviously a fan of Bruce Lee and this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Everyone is just mad that their hero was used in a comedic manner.
@@dojunwai you have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you're talking about. Op is correct. Your butt needs some ointment. Lee was aggressive and had a horrible temper. Almost got him shot.
They literally mention that jumpsuit in the video 😂 Tarantino definitely isn’t a fan
Maybe he just wanted to show how Lee got lost in Hollywood. Teaching actors to fight and not staying focused.
James Tobin, you were so bothered by Tarantino's rendering of Bruce Lee in his film that you don't even consider that Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth are mockeries of actors from that era as well. Dalton is an alcoholic, completely out of step with the times, and is lampooned by nearly every one in the industry that he works with, which is made clear by the assessment of his career made by Al Pacino's character. And Cliff Booth lives in a goddamn trailer. Need I say more? Tarantino is both critiquing and celebrating male hollywood archetypes from that era, which includes Bruce Lee. If you didn't have such blinders on about Bruce Lee, you'd see that.
@Nathan Crowther they were made to look cool? May be cliff. But Rick looks like a washed up looser.
Bruce Lee just wasn't the main character of the film, so there's no time to develop his character. It was just a cameo. QT thought Lee was an arrogant guy, so he made fun of him for being arrogant.
@Nathan Crowther Lee was a jerk. It's too bad Jesse Glover passed away (for many many reasons) Not least of which, he would have been able to confirm that Bruce almost got shot in the face because of his ego and arrogance. I was SO happy when I saw the screen and saw Bruce finally being depicted as he truly was. Oh, did everyone forget QT showing also how patient and sweet of a man he was? Check the scenes of him teaching Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring. THAT'S the real Bruce. Angry, aggressive, and also EXTREMELY caring and compassionate to those that present no challenge. He was a good man...but a good man with many demons.
@@djstrongarmgmail Wrong. That's not a good depiction of Bruce Lee. His biography says otherwise. Do some research
@@phoenixj1299 Again, having trained under Jesse Glovers finest student, and having a best buddy who trained under another student of Lee's (who agreed with the perspective that Lee was a pretty normal, hot headed, jerk, and also caring and interesting human),...I'd say I've done my research,...while you're indoors reading books.
Kill bill kung fu archtype was Pai Mai, an actual famous 70s actor and character in chinese kung fu movie/tv. This argument makes no sense, context is bunk and is darn near straw man.
No, that is the archetype of the teacher/master. Totally different.
There are plenty movies & other stuff that put Bruce Lee up on a pedestal!! So wat if theee is one movie that pokes a little fun at him. Stop whining!!
I agree. Since his death, everyone has treated Bruce as a god. I appreciated seeing a different take on his character. Maybe I would have done it differently, but I'm not mad about it 🤷🏽♂️
It isn't even making fun. It's a story taken straight out of Bruce's life, but fictionalized and made to fit the overall story perfectly. Bruce was JUST A MAN. He had a beautiful vision, and was a harder worker than most will ever know. He was also an arrogant egotist, and almost got shot by letting his dark side cloud his life choices, involving his friends and students. He was the very best of both worlds. Positive and negative. QTs depiction is one of the most real depictions of not just Bruce, but of any human conflicted by opposing energies.
QT hates Bruce Lee, that’s fine. If the pope isn’t universally love, I don’t expect Bruce Lee to be.
Total straw-man arguments coming from Asians (who get offended and react when they feel any other Asian is being attacked) and seriously ill informed fans of Bruce Lee. BRUCE WAS JUST A MAN. And all people have an ego and a temper. I admire Bruce like no other man: he was a great philosopher, an amazing researcher, and trained harder and had a higher fight IQ than most people of his day. He also was a harsh father, incredibly arrogant and hot headed, and even made some morally questionable choices involving his students and friends, and almost got shot in the face for it,...all over his ego. Does this negate his impact on society and beautifully bridging two prosperous cultures? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, he was JUST A MAN. I LOVED his depiction in "Once upon a time" it made him HUMAN. And brought up the reality of fighting: "there is ALWAYS someone stronger/better." There were and are numerous fighters that could have, and would seriously hurt Bruce. Anyone who understands Bruce as a man and not a deified, cultural icon, had no issue with seeing a tall, brawny Cliff Booth toss a short little missile, into the side of a car. That's how real fights go down. Nit like some amazingly choreographed Kung Fu fight scene from a movie. I honestly think what Tarrantino did was one of the bigger shows of respect done to Lee's memory and lasting legacy. One that even his daughter and supposed "fans" have tried to spin and fictionalize...Lee was not a god...he was just a man.
I think that he is a fan of Bruce Lee, but he also recognizes that Lee was not the 'one and only' when it came to martial art cinema. He saw his arrogance, and that was clear in Once Upon...Hollywood. It seems possible that Lee was just a technical expert, but not a fighting expert. That's why he got his ass kicked in the film.
This guy is creepy. Tarantino was making fun of all the fanboys like this guy that say Bruce lee can beat up anyone. This guy is a supremacists through and through.
So guy who lean on falsehood and depicts a character wrongly is not creepy but if someone who speaks out the truth is creepy. Quite a tortured logic
Phoenix J It’s a fictional character in a fictional universe you’re dumb ass. It’s not the real Bruce Lee if you haven’t noticed.It’s people like you that are ruining everything
Bruce Lee was a performer, not a fighter. There's almost no record of him ever participating in matches. His image was greatly exaggerated to sell movies. People are scared of the truth so they freak out when you bring up facts.
You don’t know enough.
Says Peter on RUclips...do you understand how you sound when you say troll comments without backing anything up?
@@EthnHayabusa if you know so much, please detail how Bruce almost got shot in the head for allowing his ego and dark side to ruin his dearest friendship and end the gym in Seattle? I'll wait...
Oh, and if your answer is "that never happened" then you've lost before you started. Now who "doesn't know enough."
It's sad, pathetic little fan boys/girls who don't understand the difference between reality and FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. Was he a bad ass? Yes. Could he have beaten most KNOWN fighters at that time. Absolutely. But, what these delusional fans don't understand is, there are people who are almost at super hero levels out there. People that NEVER show who they are or show off in any public fights. Scary...scary...people. They bought the ticket, took the ride and never bothered to question anything. I'm personally ecstatic seeing Bruce brought down a few pegs. I think BRUCE would be happy about it, too. He never wanted people to deify him. He just wanted to share what he knew....as a man.
@@djstrongarmgmail There is absolutely no evidence to back ur statement as there is no valid source for ur information. Bruce Lee is not an athlete MMA peeps. He is a real fighter. He's been a fighter from his childhood ,he defeated Wong jack man in real fight ,we also have proof that Bruce defeated a grandmaster in 11 seconds. I debunked ur statement.