Seaside grapples with high rates of homelessness on the Oregon Coast
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- Опубликовано: 22 фев 2022
- Clatsop County has the highest rate of homeless individuals per capita in rural Oregon. City leaders in Seaside are making tackling the issue a priority.
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My husband and I had a small mobile home park. We tried to help people that were desperate for a place to live. It did not work out even once. They had a problem with drugs, alcohol etc. We always ended up on the dirty end of the stick. They did not pay rent, trashed the homes, left piles of debris. Finally just had to stop giving a helping hand.
Its a common thing really. People always wonder why there's no "affordable housing", but all the cheap housing is quickly destroyed, or people learn to price out the drug addicts.
you probably had a trashy trailer park no one else wanted to rent..more like it. Stop stigmatizing homeless people, they come from all situations ffs, including women fleeng domestic violence with their children, ordinary people who get injured or sick, seniors..educate yourself and god forbid you end up homeless. It can happen to anyone
Yep.!
No matter what you do, they will want and expect more. Only a small percentage are legitimate homeless, the vast majority are addicts and nut cases who should be institutionalized.
Exactly.
In all my years I have never met or heard about someone actually receiving help that actually made a real difference in a person's life. The funds are moved around and disappear into pockets of the one's claiming to help.
They can’t be helped because they are mentally incompetent
looks like the one naming needs, has alot of luncheon meetings
Usually its because they do not want to re-integrate into normal society.
@@Nick-s-f absolutely. Because they are mentally ill
@@Nick-s-f because they are mentally incompetent
I took some homeless people on my property once and one of them got hurt and sued me. Never again
RIGHT ON.
So much as I would rather have compassion on people I have to admit you are right. Too many people out there today that would take advantage of us. It is simply another form of stealing.
That's not the first time that's happened.
And you couldn't make him or her disappear?
Keep voting Democrat and let's keep victimizm alive.
I am retired and I have lived in Seaside for several years now. I spent 25 years of my professional career dealing with the homelessness problem. I know all these jokers in this story. They think that providing a home will cure the problem, and they spend their time trying to engage the homeless into bathing or ways to get them their mail. What they don't understand, is that the homeless do not want your help, and they don't need your help...-but they will take whatever free things you give them. Make it hard to be homeless here and it will go away.
Exactly 🙏
not true for everyone.
@@markdurham5348 No pun intended, but I'm not picking nits with you.
I agree completely. Unfortunately we live in an area with all these bleeding hearts who don't understand giving a man a fish is much different than teaching a man to fish. If you can't fish, maybe you should just starve.
I think the homeless should just be allowed to or sentenced to minimum security "prisons" if they don't want to work or can't . Provide them safe room and give them a routine without illicit drugs or alcohol. Seems more humane then some camps I've seen...
You do understand, don't you, that the more resources you provide the more homeless you will get?
Indeed this is one of the problems with northwest liberalism.
Yep, I you listen to homeless people they say they specifically move to the East Coast because it's easy to be homeless there. They get paid to be homeless.
That is what I was thinking - more homeless will move there and tourist won't want to visit.
The more services provided by a town like Seaside the more homeless will show up. Word spreads.
Exactly, people go where they don’t have to take care of themselves. The more free the more that come. Seaside was a beautiful little town when I visited about 16 years ago
If people need help that can be helped and get back a life to function properly in society.. What's the problem. What do nothing..?
@@killyourego1185 it sounds good. What it would be good for you to understand not everyone would do that. There are a great number of people who don’t want to move up, be independent. Many will bleed the well dry and then start destroying anything anyone else has to get their needs met. All they want is free and are ungrateful. They live their lives this way.
You can thank Portland officials for sending their homeless to the coast and other areas of rural Oregon. They've even been sending them to NE OR. Not a great place to be homeless in the winter.
@Mark Stewger Not disagreeing with you, but do you have any solutions to the problem? Seems like the cost of housing is as much of the problem as laziness...
There is fine line between compassion and enabling.
As a formerly homeless woman this really won't help much. I've lived in shelters & no matter where they're located you will so often run into people mentally ill. Has anyone lived close to someone mentally unstable? It is a nightmare! Often the mentally ill live in their own world if you don't give them what they want or agree with them ( so they love enablers) then all Hell breaks loose. I lived with women such as these. Shelter is good but the majority of the women need constant mental health , life skills. It's Hell living in a shelter! Trust me.
"Has anyone lived close to someone mentally unstable?" Yeah, we have to step over them on the sidewalk and parks and other areas. We have to deal with their garbage, their feces, their needles. Our homes are burglarized our cars are stolen by them. We are randomly assaulted by them. Our libraries are so filled with them making it so that kids can't utilize them as intended.
Why should hard working people feel sorry for a bunch of self destructive bums who wasted their lives? Every dollar that goes to the bums is a dollar that doesn't go to working class and poor kids so they don't end up being a chuckle headed tent dweller.
Offer them a job doing work cleaning parks, making trails, picking fruits and vegetables just like in the CCC days. At the end of the week they get 20% of their wages and 80% goes into a bank account or sent to their family. If they aren't willing to work make it hard on them. They are not the Joads they are foolish individuals. Beggars can't be choosers, they loose that ability.
This is an important point I lived in a homeless shelter and the schizofrenic guy who could not shut up talking to his voices or whatever made it impossible to sleep and almost unbearable living there.
Yeah if I had no place to go, a homeless shelter would be my absolute last resort. It would have to be freezing and desperate, otherwise I'd sleep almost anywhere else. The kind of people who hang around there are not great to be around. They need a government supported "hotel" that has small private rooms for a few bucks a night. Something similar to a shelter, but with a private bed space at least. But they are too afraid of people using drugs to give anyone a private space.
@@pauld.b7129 , who are the "they" you call out, "But THEY are too afraid".
@@1020donny the people who oppose ideas like this. Who "they " are varies from proposal to proposal, but that is usually one of the main arguments against having a private individual space. It's been suggested many times in many different forms, and someone (being they) brings this up every time. It's not unwarranted, but it is stupid to care about what other people are doing
As a 4th generation Astorian who now lives in Seaside, I am disgusted by how things have gone on so long. Not once did they mention the real issue of drug problems! They didn’t show the hypodermic needles and human feces around the estuaries of the Necanicum River - an area I would once recreate and take my nieces and nephews there. Not to mention the beaches and recycling yard where they listen for the clinking of cans and start coming around asking for handouts- even though this is a public space I do not feels safe to go there alone anymore. Our security cameras catch drugged out homeless walking and biking our streets where kids once used to play. We have had property crime from drugged out and convicted felons. I could go on, the problem is drugs!
It is. There are druggies everywhere. Not merely pot, but meth. Meth makes people crazy. Along with meth comes crime, people breaking into things to try to feed their habit.
Yep. But the local lawmakers don’t give a shit. It’s just as bad down the coast like. In Newport our local bleeding heart idiots don’t care…they just pretend to care. We need these people kicked out of our communities.
u voted for it so deal with it
Guess truth hurt.
Elections have consequences
A bum in tillamook tried to toss his bike at me and jump infront of my vehicle. That experience has changed my view of them from being human beings on hard times to crazed drugged out vermin.
Always
The problem is, we don't sweep up the crime. Crime at the top, crime at the bottom. We just let it fester. People who act like evil vermin need to be taken by force off the streets/out of their influential positions and contained.
They are vermin. Do not be ashamed in asserting such. At 69 years in northern CA, I "assert" a lot.
@@evegreenification I like your style.
maybe your not the only one that has tried to side swipe him.... vermin????? i see allot of drivers tossing nip bottle and half pints out of cars! we can go on....
OK.... I moved to Seaside 3 years ago: 1) there are soooo many empty vacation homes, 2nd homes there owned by the Better Off Crowd. 2) that City owned Block with the campers on it is horrible and they cleaned it up for the News feature, 3) The rentals in Seaside disappeared over Covid when Portlanders came out to work Remotely and finally 4) with housing so competitive, you get any strikes on your "Record", Online Bio and you are out....in the cold. No chance of qualifying to rent even a crappy apartment. The new Zoning is actually pushing out multi-family long term construction to keep the Better Off Crowd better insulated.
So, you're much better than "the better offs" and you're out to prove how ignorant you are. AOC you'll never be.
#CRUSHMARXISM
Yeah I hear this a lot. I manage short term rentals in Newport and I’m so sick of this argument. First of all, the hospitality industry sustains our coastal communities along with commercial fishing. Hospitality alone drives something like 600 million into our local economy a year, we create thousands of jobs for our local residents. The war on “the better off crowd” is stupid. I founded a company in 2017 partnering with the “Better off Crowd” and have since grown to have two employees and a pretty decent paycheck.
The “Better off Crowd” isn’t the problem. Ocean front homes aren’t “affordable” housing. Idk about you but I can’t afford to pay 3-5k a month for a mortgage or rent. I don’t think short term rentals should be in every part of a city and I absolutely agree with zoning ordinances and that. But screw hotels and if someone with deep pockets wants to enjoy a beach home/rent it out on Airbnb I’m here for it.
Newport could use one or two more apartment complexes for sure but I’m so sick of people complaining about my industry when we literally help keep this community going.
Samantha: absolute greed only helps the Greedy. Apparently you've joined their movement. I was referring to the gross disparity in housing. ...." More apartment building"? You mean more boxes to house all the working class to support your tourism needs: cleaning, mowing, serving, etc. Screw that! Time to break out the pitch forks! Let your entitled class clean up after themselves.
The reason you " hear that alot" is because it's the unsavory truth. Until you acknowledge Truth, nothing will change peacefully.
And NOT when the needs, wants of tourists out weigh the needs of the local residents!
Seaside officials needs to watch Seattle is dying. Seattle spends the equivalent of 100k+ per homeless person not to mention the revolving crime.
Having been homeless in Clatsop County, and getting the chance to really talk to people within that community, I would suggest an undercover investigation into accessing help through these agencies and how homeless people are actually being treated.
Yes !! Thank you !! It seems the only help is offices that are suppose to help the homeless are lini g their pockets full of cash !! Just like all offices around here that are suppose to help that don't !!
@@wilmaingram278 The support for people with disabilities is also nearly non-existent, in spite of claims made by agencies to gain funding and laws regarding equal access. I can tell people which agency in the area claims to offer help with a particular need, but only about 10% of efforts will actually produce anything useful. These aren’t stupid people. They do the math and realize that wasting the money they need for food and the energy to spend 4 hours going to fill out paperwork for 10 minutes at an agency that nobody you know has actually been able to get help from is a terrible waste of resources.
Sure, waste even more money on useless "Investigations" . Typical liberal approach. Still never works.The $$$$ just disappears.
Beverly Hills, Bel Aire, and Lower Manhattan are also suffering from a lack of "affordable housing." ...You see, every neighborhood in America should have cheap apartments in it, or else it's not fair.
I know 1st hand about being homeless in 2010, I lost my apt on a lieing person, a lieing police officer, and NOHA that didn't take me to court !! No offices would help me, and I'm disabled !!
They need to have interviewed a few homeless individuals to see if they could tie the whole story together.
Once you have “Homeless Advocates” AKA shameless grifters, start moving in and make suggestions and ask for municipal help while simultaneously encouraging and supporting more homeless moving in to destroy the nearby communities you are doomed.
Exactly, the same people that want to take your money to buy needles for crackheads are perpetuating this mess
We call them welfare pimps
So you have a comment about politics but don’t know about politics, hmmm
Well said!
We need to rob everyone for our own good hearts. They're so nice aren't they.
They said they've been trying to solve this since 2021 even though they've spent millions and have done ten year plans & surveys for 10-15 years. They never take into account that warming shelters and group homes make so many people feel degraded, worthless and ashamed of themselves. I lived in Clatsop County for my whole life of 36 years & don't agree with the there's no land excuse. Warrenton is the 17th largest city in Oregon by land area yet has only 6000 people. All of these California & Multnomah County refugees and workers who can do their job remotely moving here has only exacerbated the problem. After selling their California or Multnomah County home our prices are cheap to them causing house prices to skyrocket. Between that & short term vacation rentals, the wealthy residents are pricing their servants out of the housing market for, first houses, then apartments. At last count roughly 27% of Seaside Oregon homes are vacant a majority of the year, because they are vacation homes & short term vacation rentals.
Homeless once were called hoboes and have existed for ever
@@johnkozak61 true but now it's massive because of rent rates no jobs and bad leader's. I'm from Bandon I'm 49 and half the housing in Bandon are vacation rentals which was NEVER a problem tell the last 10 years
@@mylamberfeeties875 so many people can afford vacation homes
@@johnkozak61 no it's rich Californians renting them out only in the summer time. Usually political democrats own them
@@johnkozak61 you know the lying democrats claiming they hate capitalism yet that's exactly HOW they make money
As a society it may be time for us to reconsider mental institutions. Yes they need oversight so there isn't abuse, but letting people do drugs on the street isn't humane.
Your inept stone cold greed government does not give a rats ass about anyone but themselves and the rich masters they serve. Just take us to death camps and get it over with so the Have's can live in peace. You have plenty of slaves around the world willing to come here and be your servants. From a realistic corporate slave who lives day by day with nothing to show for his labor. Capitalism is a joke.
Im a Pysch nurse... It costs THOUSANDS of dollars a day to treat someone in an in-patient setting. That oversight of which you speak costs $$$.
Good, Fromala2u. You can be the first Inmate. See you 'round the Dayroom. Be sure to tie your robe!
@Sara NailMaybe.. You have to WANT help though. Most addicts dont want help unfortunately. This sounds harsh but a good way to cut down on homelessness is to make as as unattractive of an option as possible. I work with the mentally ill. It would shock you to learn how much control over their behavior they have. Peolple who are violently schizophrenic behave with courtesy in prison bc the cost of NOT doing so in prison is VERY high. Not very nursey and compassionate I know.. But its true.
@@fresatx Thank you for posting. You've confirmed what I've always believed. Just like the Bible says: "GET UP, PICK UP YOUR MAT, AND WALK".
STOP CALLING THEM HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS. THEY ARE OPEN AIR DRUG AND ALCOHOL MARKETS. PERIOD.
Go Fuck your Cat.
The majority of housing is now temp stays via VRBO and Airbnb. City's let those industries take over housing. This is an issue in every desirable vacation destination.
Yes they turn the houses into a Airbnb so they can afford to pay the taxes and insurance and mortgage. For many if they didn't they would lose the house.
No eviction ban with vrbo
Oregon doesn’t have the biggest homeless problem it has the biggest laziness problem!
And gov. corruption problem. Listen to all these liberals complaining about the things THEY vote for. Lay in your beds and shut up, if you want change vote different next time.
And liberal problem.
I love that the churches turn a blind eye on this issue, glad they have tax exemption…
... religions , biggest business scam ever ...
Do not single out one religion, you know there are many mosques get tax exemptions too. Go after them too
Since when are churches in the business of housing people?
Have you ever heard of Catholic Charities
The biggest feeders and clothers of bums is churches you dumf*ck pos and you know scumbag liar!!
That lady should invite some homeless people over to her house it looks like she has a lot of food in the refrigerator to share
This problem is happening all over Oregon. Eastern Oregon is also lacking in housing Landlords are increasing rent making it difficult for people to afford housing. Landlords are also selling their rental properties leaving those that can't afford to buy a home homeless....
More like stringent housing restrictions and increased property taxes!
Well we can start by making it legal to kick people out and then make the prices go down and it’s fixed
Most of those"homeless" people migrate to California, Oregon and Washington from other states because weed is legal and those states make living on the streets so easy. Woke ass liberals on their way to being broke ass miserables.
#CRUSHMARXISM
There are homeless in Detroit where the median house price is $26,000
@@johnkozak61 free market initiatives, small government and less regulation fuel industry. The riots in Detroit after Civil rights acts were enacted crippled the economy. Hopefully it isn't the same fate for Oregon given the free range terrorism and property crimes that persisted for hundreds of days. Probably isn't going to be helping.
It’s getting bad everywhere
Make it illegal to be homeless and that you have to be working or a tourist. "What are the needs of so and so..." Give it up lady. If it costs thousands for a building permit, there will never be affordable housing. And if you had affordable housing, all the homeowners would complain their values are diminishing. Just say, "we only want people here spending and/or making money."
Look if you don't pay your taxes for the area so that the politicians can survive they don't give a crap about you! In their eyes your trash for society...
@@aprilmay1700 It already is illegal to be homeless. You can't build your own home unless it's zoned to law, built to legal code, you own the rights to the land, etc. So the government has made it basically illegal to not have a home they allow you to have.
She's an ignorant sow and another feel-good bleeding heart!
Imagine installing a 1000 watt porch light and not understanding where all the moths came from…
Yep.
Homeless always find their way to the nicest places.
Good, they won't be in my town.
It’s an Addiction issue mostly, till they get clean & sober all those great ideas don’t change a thing
Are the hiking trails safe around Seaside? They are living in the woods now too? My first thought is the man that slaughtered the University of Florida students back in the early 90's. He camped and lived in the woods off campus. Having second thoughts of visiting Ecola State Park now. Thanks for the report!
When you restrict developers for "community preservation" don't be surprised when your homeless population goes up. There's a reason West Virginia has the lowest rate of homelessness despite scoring poorly on almost every other measure of success. These smaller communities failing to build adequate housing for residents is part of the reason we're swamped with so many houseless people in urban areas.
Very we’ll said
They also don't make it a giant buerocratic pain to build on your own land, which is a huge point on the west coast. The fact that it sometimes takes months or year to even get approval, is a big hurdle as well. It has to be reviewed by a bunch of government shills who are barley qualified for their jobs, and can be denied for all kinds of nonsense reasons. In California, your land can hardly be called "yours" considering you need permission from a dozen different people just to build a shed in your backyard 🤣
@@pauld.b7129 Yep. That, combined with Prop 13, is a massive handout to boomers who don't want to get an actual job.
I don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s not Boomers who don’t want to get a job. Those people are retired and paid their dues. It’s the generation after and the current generation that have checked out. They’re not interested in doing anything but “living life” for free, off the grid, with no rules or restrictions. The dumpster is where they get what they need. Prop 13 is for property “owners”. I think you’re pointing out the wrong demographics.
@@mvick6797 Of course boomers don't want to get a job- that's why they use the government to inflate the value of their homes. I'm all for cutting taxpayer spending on the houseless as soon as we stop all the welfare for red states and homeowners.
I tell every Afghan refugee I meet to move to Seaside Oregon. It’s a lovely place.
Actually Peter, they’d immediately begin working to better themselves and the community. It’s born and bred Americans who are the homeless!
Lol
Homeless with 3 dogs and have full time jobs heck my fiance is a vet tech it's affecting everyone. People are biased against pet's and you guys don't let people park to sleep overnight the system is set up for failure. Shit use some of the empty parking lots of run down Business's for overnight parking and have people buy year or half year tags so the city can afford to put up toilets and use the funds to hire city worker's to clean once a month or weekly. It can be done our Oregon government is a lazy failure all around.
Can you say "finger pointing", boys and girls? It's not the government that is a lazy failure. The lazy failures are the ones the government is attempting to deal with.
Ya! Get 3 dogs you cannot afford, continue to make BAD financial decisions and get ink all over your body, then expect the tax payers to bail you out? GET A JOB
@@edwardl.990 Have a job and just bought a three bedroom house you inbred t-.-t that's what people do when they work through it fuck off with your negativity.
P.s my tattoos didn't cost a dime either lmao 🤣 your bent over nothing. I'm just here giving solutions rather than putting people down I grew up here it's not the same state it was 6 years ago. Not to mention the officials in my area keep getting donations to help with the homeless and it ends up being pocketed by greedy motherfuckers but you guys didn't know that.
It’s not the government’s responsibility to house you
People desperate for a place to live should be desperate to get a job instead. Then things will fall into place for them.
There are homeless in Detroit where the median house price is $26,000
Yeah, maybe like 2 years ago. It's more like $60,000 now
The average house price in Toronto where I live (detached) is $2.1 million. yes you read that right.
I moved out of Seaside 15 years ago. Back then you could literally count the homeless on two hands. I still live in Clatsop and have watched the problem explode. The monumental mistake officials in Seaside and Astoria are making is trying to bend over backward to accommodate homelessness. The vast majority of our homeless are in fact just broke tourists, most of whom have serious addiction issues. They literally moved here to set up camp. City officials don't simply tolerate them and the mess and crime they bring, they actually want to find more camping spots for them. This will clearly make the problem exponentially worse. The dopey lady talking about getting private land owners to open access to their property is exhibit A.
Yeah I agree, a private land owner would have to be crazy to offer to open access to the homeless camping there how will they ever get them out if they need to for example say if the private landowner wants to sell their land they won’t be able to sell who wants to buyland that 30 people are camping on and have trash on and are making their campfires
And just speculating, the government could potentially force a private land owner to sell part of their property at the market rate and then take it over for the homeless to camp on to solve part of their problem at least temporarily. How would you like that if you’re a private landowner to have your house next to the homeless.
I like that last sentence of your comment...Exhibit A. lol
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 A campground ???lol
@@iveyhealth2266 Thank you. I'll be here all week.
Last time I went to Oahu there were several beaches on the less traveled side of the Island that were covered in Homeless make shift homes. They had large tarps strung up with all their belongings underneath and were living on the beach. I am talking much larger areas then a football field. This was way back in the 90s.
I heard way back in the 90s that you should not even go to that part of Oahu as it was dangerous to walk along there. It was written in the guidebook.
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 Yes, we did not get out. We were just driving around the Island to see all the beaches.
I am wondering when screaming, purple-haired, self-anointed 'homeless advocates' are going to stream into Seaside, defend the right to camp/trash/do drugs anywhere.
Most likely some already live there
don't forget the pooping and peeing....
I believe they are the ones already living on the beach.
Late to the party here but watching this video, it would seem the insane are already there! When one sees a person wearing a mask you KNOW they are one of the woke loonies.
Seaside is a "Good-Ole Boy " Club run town. The Ute's and a few others pull all the strings there. The restaurants are mediocre at best. The Safeway is another location to view the desperate. Most of the Seaside Police Officers I have met are actually pretty chill. I've seen them interact with homeless people there.
Sorry, after my dealings with the homeless and trying to assist, I have found many only want someone else to pay their way, some are willing to earn it, however they are far outnumbered by the mentally ill, drug addicts, and criminals. Liberal policies only make it easier and enable the lifestyle. Not meant to offend anyone, however my experience has taught me when I have helped in the past, those that benefitted came to expect the assistance like it was owed to them and became violent and indignant when the free ride or assistance ran out.
You're definitely right.
What would you have the mentally ill do, exactly?
Jacks aren't better or smart.
@@Katie-qu9iv That is a typical Triggered Liberal reaction to Facts… So sorry you feel the need to go down the slander, name calling, branding, and labeling road. You are not looking so very mature or in touch with REALITY. How many homeless have you taken in and attempted to help? I tried multiple times to lend a helping hand. Not a hand out, but help in picking oneself up and getting to a position of self sustainability, meaning gainful employment, food and a place to stay, to no avail, and it caused nothing but problems… However, I see how successful the liberal policy of give the homeless whatever they want, with no accountability for any transgressions such as stealing, violence, drug use, letting them camp out wherever, defecating in the streets or wherever gets a city or town. All the results and consequences of bad life decisions.. Throwing money at the problem hasn’t helped. No I’m not better, never claimed to be.. Never said I was smart, you did, although I am smart enough to be able to learn, however not from one such as yourself.. I see all the effects of liberal policy in Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Las Angelas, Detroit, Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, Minneapolis, the list goes on. I did my part.. Change my mind. Have a nice day.
It's like birdfeeding. Hang out a feeder and you get more and more birds. Take that feeder down and those birds get fiesty. Solution - don't put up a birdfeeder!
The homeless issue is everywhere. I have travelled all over US last 5+ years and have seen it everywhere I go. Rural and urban. Alot of people living out of their vehicles and working fulltime. Shortage of affordable housing and insane rents is a crisis all over America
Here in Canada too. Our saving grace is we have more subsidized housing and healthcare for everyone, even the homeless. Oh, and less people.
And the government's answer to housing crisis is to open the border and import as many poor people as possible.
The American dream 😂
nobody worries about all the little people paying humongous taxes to keep their homes.....its all fine and dandy to force older people out of their life long homes because their property taxes are so high to pay for all these supposed "homeless" ...
I live in Seaside and would have more sympathy if I didn't see so many alcohol containers and litter. Shows lack of respect. If they weren't spending money on drugs and alcohol, they could coordinate roommates and get a place to rent. I see help wanted signs for most restaurants and motels. Lack of employment is not the reason they are homeless. Seems most would rather party all the time.
ABSOLUTELY 💯
Working in restaurant and motels do not pay a livable wage. All levels of our government needs to come together and provide the resources to build decent,affordable housing for all of our citizens that are in need. Passing judgment doesn’t solve problems.
I agree Irene. When watching period drama shows, room and board is part of the servants' compensation, so they can save or share their wages.
And that's why they're homeless. No money for rent b/c they spend their money on dugs/alcohol. They then want the taxpayer to pick up the tab! It's nothing but a con and the joke is on the bleeding heart-feel goods and the taxpayer!
I see help wanted signs every where $14 to 17 to start here in southern Oregon, housing is tight does not help that a homeless person started a fire two years ago that destroyed a thousand homes. We will see what FORCED rent control does as the Covid rent moratorium ends and land lords begin evicting people and selling the units instead of renting them because they are fearful of being stuck again. It would not be hard for a county or city to find 2 acres and put in a public toilet and mark off 12x12 tent areas put 8' privacy fence around it and enforce cleanliness standards. That would allow them to enforce no camping on the beach or in their parks. Allow police drive through and you have a safe and protected area for the homeless it would also allow them to have an address.
where I live in New England 18 dollars an hour is not a living wage. You could afford a room and a little food with that, that's it. When the option to be homeless is better than working all day for barely a living wage these are the results
That's a great plan! Why the heck it's not being done?
@@brendastolp484 because they won’t abide by the laws and there are taxes to be paid People just take the handouts and don’t care. Look at welfare. Look at how they treat their homes that are mostly paid by tax payers. They don’t care because they’ve never earned a thing.
There is no housing crisis there is an addiction and mental health crisis.
…said the pub who has no clue what he’s talking about. It is definitely more than one issue, not just the mentally unstable. Families with 2 working parents who aren’t on drugs are homeless in that county.
@@Notyourgirl253 says the hopeless romantic who has a faux view of reality and denies the truth that there is always addiction or mental health issues present with homelessness.
a lot of people don't have severe mental illness....they have personality disorders which include being stubborn, anti social, egotistical in a way.....they refuse common sense ideas just because you suggested it........God bless the poor people that really are out of money or options and just need a helping hand....I hope they succeed.
@@leelaural do you really feel like it’s important to differentiate mental illness with personality disorders? Really? And the folks who “just need a helping hand” do not stay homeless if they aren’t an addict or mentally ill. There are too many options in America for that. Don’t be naive.
Bout an hour and a half south of the Oregon border there is another large homeless problem in Eureka CA. That is the worst one ive seen...There are a lot of people living on the streets there...
You can purchase a 16x30 prefab building turn it into a two bed house. Maybe the city needs to do that. Make them work for city for room and board
That kind of thinking is *exactly* the problem. You are well intentioned but you don't understand the problem. The homeless do not want or need your help...or rules. But they will take whatever free thing you can give them.
@@richp7457 that is a problem
Homelessness is not about housing. It’s mental health and drug addiction.
I don't know what you pay for rent but mine is $1900.00 a month for a one bedroom apartment where I live and that is considered pretty reasonable for here. Try paying these high rents ANYWHERE and see where YOU end up living, especially if you are on low income, elderly or disabled... Just saying...Have You looked for a place to rent lately? Just take a look...
@@darlenenorton793 Yes. Rents are crazy in many areas. There are large corporations buying up real estate. But, this isn’t the source of homelessness. I ran a homeless ministry for a decade and they’ve surveyed the current homeless population. There was a housing first movement which was not effective because it wasn’t addressing the mental health and drug problems.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 Sounds like a for sure growing problem until wages go up or rents go down. A LOT of "normal" people need more than one income, or some type of assistance to be able to afford rent now a days and the necessities of life... Just saying...
@@darlenenorton793 You will notice that high rents are in mostly urban areas with high regulations in terms of housing supply. Also, these cities tend to have high white collar salaries but not high enough non white collar salaries. Here in LA, it costs around $750k to build a single condo unit for the homeless. This is government caused. If you surveyed the 50,000 homeless people in LA, you’d probably find less than 10percent who do not have either drug or mental health issue.
@@darlenenorton793 Affordable accommodation is also a problem in Australia and getting worse.
here is another problem with the homeless in Oregon....as much as i believe that Oregonians are more then happy to help others in need.....im willing to bet that a large majority of the homeless in Oregon are NOT from Oregon
You think so.
@@1020donny roseburg surveyed the homeless camps here and NOT ONE was a Oregon resident... when asked why Oregon..it wasnt for the weather in the winter....but all the and " freedoms " homeless have here...most were from California....and a LARGE majority had habitual drug use problems.... just look at the Oregon Budget that gets spent on this
@@conan6869 I hear you. Where I live it's the same. Some they put them on buses and planes and ship them to the coast. We do have some degenerate drug addicts that come from the suburbs too.
I believe this problem is all along the west coast. Most aren’t from here.
I’ve read news reports that there are “brokers” that work with insurance companies and rehab facilities, that will bring “business” to the rehab facility from other states. When the insurance benefits run out and you’re still not “recovered” you’re shown the door. No bus ticket back to where you came from, still mentally ill and walking the streets of your new home town. There’s big business in this industry!
@@mvick6797 I'm sure you didn't mean to suggest that there's a "cure" for mental illness.
Homelessness is a problem in many states here in the U$A. It is an economic issue due to wage stagnation & the elites of the real estate & financial industrial complex in their ruthless drive for more & more unsustainable profit.
Can’t forget the endless taxation nation of crony government bureaucrats profiting heavily off of the homeless industry. Regulate like onions! Government is coercion and taxation is theft!
I can tell you copied and pasted the words in your comment from somewhere else. Who says "It is an economic issue due to wage stagnation & the elites of the real estate & financial industrial complex in their ruthless drive for more & more unsustainable profit."? Only someone who is a troll and is told what to say. In case you don't know, it's the "real estate & financial industrial complex" that is paying the taxes to fund these homeless programs.
Bingo...and more will be made homeless by the increase in rent and housing prices.
Community Village First outside of Austin Texas is working low rents for poor people, but you must obey the rules of the community !
Start catering to the homeless and the drug addicted will only spiral out of control
They did and it is.
Joe Black go to a third world country and live there. All first world countries take care of their own.
@@Katie-qu9iv Not well understood or thought through. You get a C- for turning in a paper.
During the Great Depression (1929-45), they called such encampments Hoovervilles, after President Hoover.
This is a problem everywhere. I think property owners wouldn’t be as upset if homeless people would keep their processions at a minimum. They have so many items with them, it spills over in to the streets. This brings rats and other Vermon. I say, place limits on the homeless. They have to abide by rules that fit their needs. Retrain the homeless to…keep you and your possessions at a minimum and you can stay in the provided lot. Etc. give them a specified amount of time they can stay in the lot. No squatters rights. Even in BLM land people are only allowed 14 days.
Its not ONLY Seaside Oregon but all over the US ! Homeless people here in the US are growing.
@Alan Gregori, yes but Oregon has Second Worst homeless problem in the USA
Good to see people are sympathetic to the homeless population, some need simple shelter but some need to be in mental hospitals, which we phased out long ago.
Lot of these self stayed " rugged individualists" who spew contempt at homeless must be aware that some well connected rich person could make them homeless with snap of their fingers. Despite your hard work , choices or whatever if someone with real juice wants what you have , they can take it ALL. That's why they'll never speak ill of the ones who could crush them and only frantically kick down.
This is absolutely true. I have never found real help in my 34 and counting years of homelessness .I have helped in the receiving end in some places and things intended for the people go to the staff.
f*ck you bum we owe you nothing you did it!
I got busy WORKING and SAVING and bought a house!! You had 34 YEARS to save and still HOMELESS?? WTF? I bet you have money for tattoos?
@@edwardl.990 not everyone has the same opportunities.
@@isaiahcoleman967 people who will not take care of themselves and demand government help are lazy, unless they are truly disabled or have some legitimate health issues. This guy has been homeless for 34 YEARS and expects assistance?? What has he done for himself in 34 years? I bet he spent those years making foolish financial decisions and now wants everyone else to support him?
34 years ????
I would like to live in Beverly Hills! I CAN'T AFFORD TO, SO I CAN'T! That doesn't mean there should be a Beverley Hills camp for me. Go and live in Kansas, where's it's cheaper.
You have to make enough money to exist first. So what kind of job are you sure is available at this time. Talk is cheap and divided we fall. Enjoy the ride to the bottom of the pile of third world banana republics.
Exactly. There are plenty of jobs in other states where it's cheaper to live than the west coast.
What! You don't know where the Beverly Hills Camp is? lol
Homelessness is and always will be an issue, world-wide. At the heart of the issue and nearly every other issue we face as humans today is the fact that there are too many people. It's simple mathematics. More people means more issues, bigger issues, more complex issues. And here we are.
The American Dream of Home Ownership is nearly Dead due to the lack of affordability & Availability . With working Americans now struggling to afford Rent in most area's of the Country quickly becoming a very serious issue . We can look for the numbers of Homeless to just explode across the Nation with no real solutions forthcoming .
50% of homeless people don’t want to live in shelters because of regulations.
People need to be held accountable for their actions. If you don’t want to work or be regulated by shelters, make them leave town. Why is it that some city’s have issues and some don’t? City’s without a homeless problem don’t put up with this garbage. The city’s that promote homelessness are being over run. Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles.
Agree. Why has this problem exploded in the past 10 years? Look to the politicians and all those who are making money from it.
Every single city has a problem with homelessness. It's not a blue state thing.
I don't know what You pay for rent. But in San Diego my one bedroom is $1900.00 month not including utilities and that is considered reasonable for here. How can the average person afford that without some type of assistance? Wages need to go up or rents need to go down. Just saying....
William Ross Please name some cities that don't have a homeless problem.
The more people try to help, the more homeless people they'll attract. It's pretty bad here in Newport also.
They are bad EVERYWHERE! Our local government thinks that we are stupid. All they ever do is dance around the problem. It makes them look busy, like they are FINALLY going to do something. They're con-men. When a person listens to the hopeful words of commissioners and city managers long enough you realize they say the same thing every re-election year. They just want the easy money while sitting on their asses with hands over eyes and their fingers in their ears. I think they are afraid of either doing something that might look like they are doing to much and that will make them loose voters. Also, they are afraid to do too little because that could make them loose voters. Meanwhile the homeless increase each year with every fire season.
It's been a problem for years. Inept politicians just kick the can down the road.
I live in seaside and it’s all bull, how can you help people that don’t care about being homeless. I work closely with some of the homeless population and all they tend to do is scavenge for cans just to get money for alcohol and drugs. Granted seaside has done a lot to try and help however getting social security benefits for a local elderly gentleman only leads to him getting beat up, taken advantage of and him spending all that money on alcohol. Clatsop county needs to invest in a rehab that is mandatory for these people. I understand life is tough and we all experience it differently however there needs to be laws in place against being a burden to the community
You're right I see the same thing here. I left a comment to, the truth.
What are you asking to be done? Short of locking people up against their will; recovering from drugs usually must be a choice for the person. No one else can decide this choice either for that person. Even if someone is forced to be clean, they can still keep the mentality of a junky.
@Devolution 6 month hands on detox and rehabilitation with extra help to get them back on their feet with the understanding that failure to rejoin society's will result in lose of life if they relapse. Granted if they relapse after certain time gets reset or maybe a three strike rule where third strike results in lose of life. For the ones that are to far gone maybe set up assisted living centers, and use their benefits like Social security to help relieve the cost. Granted lose of life can be an extreme measure. However such an extreme measure could prompt those to change as well. Or people could stop handing them money and making it harder for them to survive. Prompting them to actually make a change.
@Devolution those are just a couple suggestions
@@dev0luti0n they need to be locked up “against their will” these hobo junkies are endangering the safety of our towns and cities. The city councils that tolerate and enable this crap need to go to.
Personally through my experience, this all starts when they are infants and what they have access to as children. The more stable home and educational environment the better off they are. Its not an instant fix but making sure people are given equal opportunity from birth is a good start. Homelessness can become a mindset that is not fixed with support or money. I think preventing it through stronger communities is a great way to start seeing a difference.
I get what you’re saying but the problem is women love to have babies by bad men when they are young and stupid and don’t have any resources. And the situation has gotten worse over the years with people thinking they can do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. They think everybody’s gonna run to rescue them and save them and give them what they need. It is only after they suffer the consequences that they will realize the results of their actions and hopefully it becomes an attractive enough to deter that type of behavior in the future
@@venganzamujer354 actually teen pregnancy rates are the lowest they have ever been and the birthrate is down in general
Well there you have it, every dollar that goes to bums, degenerate drug addicts, the lazy, the lunatics is a dollar that doesn't go to help working class and poor kids. Build a park, sorry kids this a homeless camp and watch out for syringes. Build a boys & girls club and sorry kids we need to use this as a resource center for the homeless. Build a basketball court sorry kids this needs to be free RV lot. Build a camp for kids well sorry kids the camp buildings now house the homeless. Oh by the way kids we are all out of money no parks, no camps, no libraries, no school improvements.
@@1020donny well , we’re pretty much already there.
@@venganzamujer354 From other comments they use the word community not family. That when I go to the next comments. Community is where you live. Family gives the best support. Taking money from everyone to pay for some program will never have the success of a strong family. Programs just lower the community standards and the money always disappears with no accountability.
I blame the banksters and their cronies on Wall Street and greedy investors. Not to mention the, not in my backyard crowd. Good luck solving a profit driven issue.
Most homeless people don’t want help they are living the way they want and destroying public lands for taxpayers
The US is getting more expensive every day
I was just down at Seaside last week for the first time in like 5 years. It was packed with people in the main beach front area, 95% tourists it seemed to me, but I definitely noticed a few "troubled" looking people that clearly needed help. Over than that it seemed pretty clean and respectful.
It's still crap. Like with roach infestation, one roach is "one too many".
Well why didn't YOU help them? Take them home or to your hotel room and let them bathe and eat? Liberals.
The best way to fix the homeless crisis is to start with regulating rent. The cost of renting an apartment or house has to be in line with what people are earning. The wages are too low in Oregon to allow people to afford renting a place and the price keeps going up while wages remain stagnant. The only way to fix it is to lower the cost of housing. There is no other way or it will only continue to get worse.
You're sadly correct. The divide between the haves and the have nots gets larger with each passing day.
If we as a society, don't decide right now how we want our futures to be; we could end up with a dystopian future. In that, there could be a place where we take our children to see a horribly disfigured abused child sitting in filth alone in a cold icy old bloody cell. The only forms of human contact being a guard who brings food twice a day and the ones who come to see 'it'.
Some people won't be able to stomach seeing 'it' and may try to cause a stir. The ones who stay in Omelas already know and they have grand celebrations everyday.
A brief summary of "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas" - Ursula K LeGuin
"regulating rent"? try studying economics sometime. rent controls will cause new construction to grind to a halt, thereby exacerbating, not ameliorating, the problem longterm.
Rent is set at market value, what people will pay...these people are NOT part of the market. All they want is a free handout, so no matter how low you set the rent it will always be too high.
SpankyMann (at the end of this chain), these people are NOT just looking for a hand out. Have YOU ever been homeless? Though I am no longer out there, I was for five years. It took a long time to merely move through the system to receive some help. So many of these people would be willing to do whatever is required to get under a roof and have a door that locks. You really should check yourself and pray that you never end up homeless as this response could create some very bad karma for you.
ABSOLUTELY!! Put a cap on rent at an affordable rate. Also, tackle substance abuse
Some people ''such as myself".. Enjoy living nomadically in my retirement years. I've been helping the homeless for over 10 years person to person. It's time to create more resources, and stop using excuses like "the wheels turn slowly". People are dying. I think these two are probably too far into their golden years to effectively serve their communities. It's time for private citizens to take the helm.
An employee of the Wells Fargo Bank stole four thousand dollars from my account. No local state or federal law would look into this. Hogorina. This took place at the Berwick branch Savannah Ga. while touring .When approached about this people involved laughed at me.
I had my identity stolen and someone took out a $45,000 loan in my name. While I was renovating my mother-in-law's house, I starting receiving numerous phone calls from the bank, demanding that I pay the overdue payments. It was tough working out of state and dealing with this, but I took care of everything on my own. It took around 3 months of work, but I got my credit straightened out with the credit agencies and the loan expunged from my records.
It took time and a lot of unpaid effort, but I took care of the mess myself. You need to be relentless and document every conversation you have with the bank and anyone associated with the situation. Don't give up or give in. You have to be a major pain in their ass and send certified letters, on a regular basis, up the chain of command. You must document, document and document. Good luck!
Another interesting story would be all the abandoned or empty homes that are in our coastal communities.
None of your business what people do with their own property. You probably published a map for Portland, Seattle and the rest of the socialist strongholds "so they can take their rightful place IN SOMEONE ELSE'S "abandoned or empty home"...Retarded liberal.
I'm so tired of homeless people having all the rights and the general public be damned. Seems like if you follow the rules the world has decided it's ok to abuse you. The tail wagging the dog.
I'd like to shift all the homeless camps and RVs need to move into the politicians front yard.
Yes and the people that have houses and pay property taxes and work hard now sometimes have to have homeless living on the sidewalk across from them and then their children and are not safe to walk around there. Not all but some of the homeless are shooting illegal drugs and that is dangerous plus crime
Whether anyone wants it or not....all is heading back to the 1930s style of law where hobos were told....either live in structures, or go camp elsewhere. This 'pass' given out for mental cases people, drug-problem folks.....has to stop. If you have legit skills, go find a job and get some 'step-up' help from the state government. The clock is ticking on the public having patience over this issue.
People on SSI get $841 a Month! Show me housing for $350 a month, what they can AFFORD, that's NOT IN A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY!
If there’s no where to live, and only to be lied to, hurt by investor/landlords. Why would you even risk the safety of your family visiting the area? It’s not the homeless you need to worry about.
Seaside is beautiful, you should definitely not visit.
Give a person fish or teach him to fish.
People need to choose between drugs or rehab. Mental health facilities need to be established and lastly low income housing should be available. The Oregon coast is prime real estate and people that can’t afford to live there need to move somewhere affordable. It’s not fair to the residents, businesses owners and tourists that pay taxes to have to have drug addicts and mentally ill people living next door.I personally won’t give them my money. I will on the other hand contribute to a program or a family that is struggling.
I thought the RV life was for retired folks that paid their dues and want to enjoy the rest of their lives.
I don’t blame the community’s for not wanting homeless folks on their back door.The homeless themselves don’t even feel secure around each other.
This story isn’t about poverty it’s about the destruction of lives due to drugs and alcohol.
In your last paragraph I'll add to that list excessive pervasiveness and too much tolerance.
I was homeless for several years and didn't use drugs. If you're a drug addict, expect nothing from anyone. You did it to yourself.
Wow. I never been to Oregon. Looks beautiful. I hope all the best for you all.
I was a cop in Seaside in the late 70s. We never had a problem with campers on the beach. Our Chief told us to warn the violators once, very politely but firmly and leave the area ,giving them time to pack up and go. We were told to return in 1 hour and check on progress. If they were still there, all their crap somehow wound up in the ocean.
Thanks for polluting
In the ocean 😂 how are you to tossing those to the ocean?
I am sure this is just a saying not real action
trash human pig
3:00 Those folks need to drive their damn vans to another city and get a job.
I was injured on the job in florence in 2013... I finally got my SSI & fled the state as the medical/ legal is horrible. There is a 3-4 year waiting list for housing if you can afford it
I saved money for YEARS and worked hard and bought my own home with NO help from the government! Try it
It's simple...
First off, document every single person in the camps. Find out who the criminals are, who have prior arrests, who have warrants for arrest, who have contraband. Put those people in jail where they belong. Next, find out who has severe mental heath issues. Get them into treatment immediately, also the drug addicted and alcoholics, get them the treatment they need immediately. After segregating the criminals and addicts, the ones who are left, put them into an organized camp where they're monitored with structure and rules by cleaning up their own camps, and our community streets, sidewalks, parks, highways, picking up needles, trash, etc left behind by other homeless camps, just like a regular job working 8 to 5. Their reward would be a roof over their heads, meals, meds, and structure, self dignity in order to rehabilitate themselves.
I am sick and tired of our current city leaders who do nothing but pride themselves on what they think they have accomplished. They drove Portland and surrounding areas into the ground, they let this problem get so out of hand that it's become an overwhelming epidemic that they don't want to face.
Do city officials ever think of asking the homeless what they feel would help keep them off the streets. Problem is most often they do not go for shelters because they do not want a thumb on them. Nor do they want to deal with others in a small area. Drug restrictions is a road block ,facts and reality of substance use won't waiver for shelter. Its an individual journey. Perhaps if someone can take the effort and time to inquire, get to know what they are being pulled down by and what could motivate towards a new path and one that can have a successful outcome
pretty simple, their choices are what drag them down.... I have asked many as I used to be homeless, they all told me they wouldn't do the things that are required of civilized living...
You ever hear the saying, beggers can't be choosers? This applies.
They are homeless by and large by choice and their cumulative bad choices over the years. Sure, maybe 10-15% are hard luck stories whose lives can be salvaged but the rest are takers and destroyers of communities and should be treated as such. The only way to deal with them is to make their existence utterly untenable in the communities where they congregate to destroy it, harass and remove their presence and possessions as soon as they show up. There is no reason for one group of filthy, thieving, violent uncivilized drug abusers to take the rest of our lives hostage by their actions and presence. Spend money for the 10-15% that we can get back into society and wish to do so, for the rest, set up tents, cots and basic services and whomever doesn’t go willingly remove, move and arrest if necessary for the actual crimes that they are committing.
So many people do not understand that they do not want off the streets. They also don't want your rules.
@@tpolerex7282 . Why not put them in concentration camps?
Decriminalize drugs and the junkies will come
Private Land Owners.....its not their responsibility to help the homeless. I've know if people got hurt on private land can and will sue.
Be it the person ignored the no trespass sign, the warning signs that the cows will stomp you...
Isn't there like, ghost town that could be reused for rehoming?
Yeap, there s ghost town here in Baltimore city, rows and rows and rows of empty boarded up homes.
Tillamook County has growing homeless population as well. It’s really hard on the tourism and residents.
Usually (or once upon a time) you WORK, get dirty, go early, stay late, work weekends and slowly but surely your bank account gets bigger so you can achieve that dream. Now people just expect higher wages while working less.
Fix that and all will be well again.
Get in the Trades, forget about College.
Forget about doctors 🥼, engineers, lawyers… close all hospitals.. no nurses they had to go to school .. no architects.. just construction workers in a trade with out the engineers that test the materials and understand the concepts they build things. America can not be full of tradesman.. we need intellectual 🧐 thinkers to help us in technology, science and medicine. Everyone can’t be a plumber or electrician without teachers. Yeah school may not be for you but I don’t want a plumber doing heart surgery!
@@rissaheads6091 Obviously you didn't take that route Rissa. How many drug addicted bums and people that wasted their lives and are homeless have you ran into that decided to go to university for 8 to 10 years to become doctors, engineers, lawyers? Have you ever wondered why people don't want to be your friend?
Back in the olden days, people would move to find work and shelter and opportunities. It was not the governments job to make victims.
The climate, both socially and environmentally, is ripe for an extreme influx of homeless numbers!
If you give homeless people free goodies and services, more will come. The policy shpuld be making things tougher on homeless to force them to integrate as productive members of society.
Be on drugs, not work and have all the free stuff thrown at me, including a free or cheap housing with an ocean view would be great!!
@Laur Wesol Our society is built on personal responsibility and accountability. People desperate for a place to live should be desperate to get a job instead. Then things will fall into place for them. Nuf said
@Laur Wesol Childhood ends at some point. Grow the phuq up! It's not the gubmints job to create victims or bail out lazy scum!
@Laur Wesol I have. Three BS's in zoology, chemistry, and geology and an MS and PhD in geochemistry! You?
More than you got obviously. What a laughble response! Better yet read the remaining comments and you'll get the overwhelming drift!
The problem is some people don't want their homelessness fixed, it's codependency. They never learned that.
Biggest problem is you made all drugs legal . Tell you a story about a friend of mine . He lives in a van I haven't seen him in a while so I found him in a park with his van . Instead of being a normal friend and saying hey nice to see you the first thing he asked me was "do you have a meth pipe I can use ? "
years ago there was a thing called the poor house that was for homeless people, maybe we should look into something like that
Seaside police dept is corrupt. I was homeless in seaside and I moved. I live inside now
Mental health is at the core of homelessness. The thing is you can’t help people that don’t want to be helped. You can’t change people that don’t want to change.
No homeless in TN..they call it loitering and you go to jail. The mentally ill go to mental facilities, drug addicts get tested and go to rehab group homes, and the ones who need help get jobs and temp housing until they can save up enough.
This is the country everyone has been brainwashed to believe is free. What a bunch of dumbed down sheep.
Oh no, not in Seaside! This world is over as we once knew it, how sad for this beach town. 💔