Thats what I’m saying 😂😂 suddenly Jokic is so effin good, just to keep Luka from ascending to the top. Can’t have two of those you know what’s as the best, one is fine though.
lol . They want Anthony Edwards to be better then luka SO BADLY . Joker and luka can’t be the best in the league cuz they both white . There , I said it . Eat me up internet 😅😂 lol we all know joker and luka are the most dominant at the moment .
I don’t think it’s Luka hate, it’s just ppl be so quick to push ppl to be the best player after winning 1 ring. Remember when ppl was saying how many rings giannis got win and he was the best player, now he hasn’t made the conference finals since that ring I think and ppl saying he not even in the convo
Look at the stats that mvp voters look at. The biggest stat is how many points the players worth. When joker ain't playing he's worth 19 points a game. Second to him was SGA. SGA was worth 11 points... That's why he's the muh fing mvp bruh... look it up
MVP should have been Luka: #1 points #2 assists #16 rebounds only guard in top 48 # 10 in steals #2 3pt shots made #1 FG% in paint #1 clutch baskets set 5 NBA records.
Wrong... and here's why... the people voting on mvp take a lot more into account like how much your player effects the game and the players around him.. so one way to measure that is the Bpm stat. And if you ain't know what that means here it is. Mind you they're all complaining about luka now when they was just complaining about SGA... and I'll tell you that SGA finished 2nd in this stat, but the difference between joker and sga was almost 10 points... joker was worth 19 and sga finished second with 11... and that was 1 and 2... now here's your definition........ BPM stands for box plus-minus, which is a basketball statistic that estimates a player's impact on the game relative to the league average. It uses advanced box score data, such as rebound percentage and true shooting percentage, to calculate the points differential (positive or negative) over 100 possessions. A score of 0.0 is considered league average, while a score of +5 means the player is five points better than average over 100 possessions. BPM can also be used to evaluate a player's offensive or defensive impact.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mthis silly tired argument again? Luka doesn’t have to play off ball, that’s not his job. When he doesn’t have the ball he provides spacing by drawing attention as a 3 point threat. They have other athletic slashers and corner shooters to handle the off ball stuff when Kyrie has the ball. Luka does occasionally seize the moment and make off ball cuts, just not too often because again, not his role. Watch some Mavs games.
Crazy how the league has come full circle. The Dream Team shocked the world in 92 with how great they were at basketball. Now, the best players in the NBA are from overseas. Nuts!
Well they motivated a lot of kids which is now coming to fruition. Now the same needs to happen with the US born players, elevate the game, the fundamentals is what many of them lack since everyone prefers athleticism and straight up shooting.
So did Shaq. Meanwhile Curry had 2 with 30/5/6 numbers. I mean that is easily the worst numbers I've seen for an MVP since Nash....and he did it TWICE!
Ok but you gotta give me other mvp years yall do this all the time. The stats and winning matters. I say mj should only have 1 more mvp and thats in 97 but its debatable. Dont just throw the kobe 1 mvp thing out or even shaq we need proof
Kobe, with his untimely demise propelling him up the all time greats list, is vastly overrated. He was a ball hog and stat padder who had a prime shaq carrying the load his first 3 rings. Yes he matured into a much better rounded player/leader later on but he was never definitively superior to his contemporaries. Call it bad luck but he just happened to play coinciding with other players best years. Shaq, LeBum, Nash, etc all had more team impact when they won the award.
If Dallas wins and Luka dominates people will be kicking themselves for giving jokic a third mvp. Should have been Luka and it would have been Giannis 2 jokic 2 Luka 1. Media just didn’t like Luka till now.
They got so many goofy people voting you'd be shocked. Luka averaged a 34 pt triple double and had the best team after the trade deadline. Still came in third.
Luka is the most double teamed, blitzed player in the league and still puting the numbers...when they didn't go double on him he will put you 73 pts...don't know how dominant one can get...it's just the hate, now his showing his true potential with the right healthy team, not in the regular season with scrubs and injured players...he should be an MVP and is the best in the league...also a major clutch player..
We can finally move on to the future GOAT Debates of: Michael Jordan vs Victor Wembanyama, Michael Jordan vs Anthony Edwards, Michael Jordan vs Luka Doncic, Michael Jordan vs Nikola Jokic, Michael Jordan vs Jalen Brunson, Michael Jordan vs Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Michael Jordan vs Ja Morant, Michael Jordan vs Donovan Mitchell, Michael Jordan vs Jason Tatum, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
@@headpaid_ he is hardly just a center.. he is a point center... he touches the ball every possession but his impact on others is far greater he makes everyone better .. i love luka but he is selfish and his teammates suffer from it typically.. look at brunson he was obv being held back in dallas
MVP isn’t a concrete accolade. A scoring title is!!! Why??? The MVP award is always subjective. Right now, where we stand today, with a championship and finals MVP Luka gotta be the clear cut current best player in the world. End of discussion!
Last 2 years Luka averaged 34 and 33pts in the regular season and joker averaged 26 and 25pts Luka just basically averaged a 30 point triple double this year. Who else can do that but him ? If he wins the finals this year he’s definitely the best player in the world right now.
@@invisobill2125 Luka he has no rings or no mvps you being a prisoner of the moment and don’t know basketball lol stop this nonsense joker is that dude and has already won a championship Luka hasn’t done shishh compared to the Joker argument over good night 😴
@@invisobill2125 Luka he has no rings or no mvps you being a prisoner of the moment and don’t know basketball lol stop this nonsense joker is that dude and has already won a championship Luka hasn’t done shishh compared to the Joker argument over good night 😴
I love Luka more than Joker and yes MVPs don’t always mean you’re the best in the world most of the time in todays day and age it simply means you just had the best szn but in Jokers case I completely understand James’ argument the voters did not get it wrong only time they did is when they allowed Embiid to cry his way to an MVP then he was nowhere to be found in the playoffs. Context matters and as of right now Joker is STILL the best player in the world💯🤷🏽♂️
Luka should have a MVP based off what he did this season.. He had the best numbers.. He only finished 3rd in voting due to his team not having the success Denver & OKC had… which was marginal
Couple tings: 1. Luka should have at least 1 MVP, but Voters got fatigued before even giving him one. So it should really be Jokic 2 and Luka 1 2. Saying Luka has fewer MVPs and Jokic has 3 and the age is irrelevant is simply stupid. If they both played the same amount of seasons, you can compare the resumes. In 4 Years when Luka is Jokers age, he might have more chips and similar MVPs. We'll see. But I followed the Mavs since Luka was drafted, and he is that Guy and always has been. Its crazy to see the Media go nuts about him now, since this Playoffs he has atually looked out of form compared to his usual.
The humble Luka died and the beast has came out. He's balling out and talking his ish I love it. Him and kyrie are coming to play and give it there all. They had the hardest path to the finals. And there story os better imo. A finals win gets redemption for kyrie and recognition for Luka being that guy. Plus I always like rooting for the underdog. So I feel the Mavs are going to win the finals. Pj, Gafford, and the other Mavs have stepped up as well. So everyone is doubting them and got the celtics winning already but I've seen how the Celtics have choked before. So we shall see come tomorrow night. But I love the game and will be happy for Tatum and Brown of they win too.
That's funny because jokic would of never won if it was that. They go by the advanced analytics now not popularity and jokic crushes all advanced stats nobody is close.
How is it a popularity award? Jokic is barely ever talked about in mainstream media. He lacks a narrative, just like Luka, so he gets ignored too. Most of the Finals talk has literally been 90% Kyrie. Luka, Tatum, and Brown barely get talked about.
In my eyes as long as you a top 3 finalist you good in my book it could have went any way unless it unanimous like curry that’s a real MVP because it’s no debate you were so great that you’ve separated yourself soo far from the rest that a 2nd and 3rd spot doesn’t even matter
@@Creamcity414But the way Luka has progressed every year, in 2 or 3, it will then be "now" and it may not even be a discussion anymore. Just his progression from last year in his 3 pointer, free throws, and defense is immaculate.
You guys gotta break it down you didn’t break down that Luca has the ball all the time he scores more points than the joker has rebounds assist, but he controls the game as a true point guard. Also, he’s mess up with a lot smaller people. It’s a bigger person they’re not able to stay with him because he’s too crafty.
Luca has been a champion a few times playing against grown man as a kid in Europe. All he needs is an NBA title. To solidify has basketball status. Not many players have his resume.
You don't watch Jokic if you actually think he stat pads. The dude couldn't care less about an MVP trophy. Shady makes himself look bad on a good day, but he really showed his bias on this one. Also, Jokic wasn't playing with the same Denver team for the last 4 years. One of those years, Jokic took the equivalent of a G league team to the playoffs. Acting as if Jokic has always had great players around him now.
@WhiteGuyMike Right. I don't actually care about the best player debate. It's not Jokic's style. To me, he's arguably the greatest teammate of all time. What he has been able to do to help his teammates reach new levels is awesome.
First time Luka gets a decent team, a new 3,4,5 this year and Luka has them right back to the WCF's and now the NBA FINALS! Luka the best player in the NBA and a Winner with whoever he has on his team! This team been together less than 6 months and we bout to battle the best team in the NBA! And I got Mavs in 6, maybe 5 or 4 if refs call a fair game!
Luka Doncic has a homie named Nikola Jokic, who along with teammate Jamal Murray, and the Denver Nuggets ended LeBron James’ 2023-2024 NBA season by GAME 5 when Jamal Murray dunked on LeBron James via a face-to-face, one-on-one posterization that will never be forgotten - Jamal Murray BAPTIZED LeBron James - with a nasty facial, followed by a game winner that ended LeBron James’ career/LA Lakers’ career via a 4-1 Gentlemen’s SWEEP in only ROUND ONE of the 2023-2024 NBA Playoffs. Michael Jordan is the GOAT! And Kobe Bryant is better than LeBron James.
Wow he dunked on a 40yr old LeBron in season 20. And only goof balls like you would think Kobe is better than LeBron. Before Kobe died no one even had him top 5. Stop smoking moon rocks.
I love Luka.But always remember-Joker won a chip without an allstar within his team,in his 1st final+finals mvp +3 regular season mvp's,should be 4.Luka have Kyrie with him.Big difference.But Mavs are great this postseason-they've won all of their series without the advantage of the home court.I'm happy for both of them.
Luka couldn't really be stopped by Minnesota's defense but Joker can be defended if you have the right pieces. Can't really call Luka a bad defender anymore either, unless your opinion is several months old.
No one's stopped him. Murray was banged up and bad this year. Nobody wins without a good 2nd player. Not Jordan, not lebron nobody. In fact Jokic is the only player to EVER win without an all star team-mate but I will say last year Murray did play like an all star, this year he didn't.
He is definitely still a bad defender. He cant stay in front of anyone on ball. This narrative that he has great defense now bc of a couple games is ridiculous. The mavs will have him guarding a bum like always.
@@RT-qz5ci maybe if he hasn't had the most steals in the entire playoffs, including getting 5 steal in a game against Minnasota. As for defend "a bum", I don't know if effectively defending PG and Kawhi in round one counts.
@@danielrivadeneiraalvear3091he was not. They gave him that award cos they believed he should have won it the year prior…Kyrie missed 25 games last season and Luka still had a near 34-9-10. Jokic would be a unanimous MVP with those stats
if Luka got the post trade-deadline Mavs in the beginning of the season, he would've been at least a top 3 seed in the west and he probably would've won MVP
I love how the panel just glosses over the fact that Luka had Jalen Brunson alongside of him the season the mavs lost to the warriors in the conference finals that’s crazy
They have watered down the best player on the planet designation. We know the best player on the planet when we see it and it doesn't matter if he wins the title or not.We know he's still that guy. MJ, LeBron etc.
Jokic is the first 41st pick to win MVP, first 41st pick to win 2 MVPs, first 41st pick to win 3 MVPs. First 41st pick to win the Finals MVP. Don't get me started on the All NBA teams
@@HardCold-Alquan MPJ was a no show Murray was a no show. That's what happens when your team sucks hopefully they trade MPJ he even more nervous than Antman out there.
Shadys point is right here - Luka has been All NBA 1st Team 5 times in a row by age 25. That's more impressive than the MVP award because it becomes heavily compromised. All NBAs don't get compromised as easily because there are 3 teams so the actual best players get their spot.
If Luka wins the championship it will be great for him. I remember in 2012 when KD was in this position at 23 years old and the sky was the limit for him
For me its Jokic and by a bit of a distance. 3 MVPs in 4 years ( 2nd last year, ) averaged a triple double in the playoffs and only player in history to a win a title wihout an all star or all nba team teammate. I love Luka, i just rate Jokic more
This reminds me of Kawhi Leonard when he won in 2019. He had no mvps but he got pushed as the best player because he already won finals mvp in 2014 when he was with the Spurs and he just beat the Warriors and won his 2nd finals mvp. They are already saying Luka has 5 all nba first teams to justify
@@maqsudlatif3266 no it doesn't. This conversation is assuming Luka wins the title, nullifying the ring argument. Having the MVPS doesn't make you better. Had the voting gone differently and Jokic had 0 MVPs doesn't change his ability one iota, because it's a subjective award primarily based on narrative. Luka is better.
I get why Jokic got the MVP (Finals MVP gives an air of inevitability, plus he was arguably snubbed last year) Luka should have been MVP this year. The word "valuable" should reflect who carried the biggest weight. Jokic and Shai had better and healthier teams that contributed to their higher win totals. Luka was without Kyrie 1/4th of the season, and pretty much the entire rotation was injured at various points throughout the season. Only 4 other players on the Mavs played > 60 games: Jones, Hardaway (6th man), Hardy (end of rotation til playoffs) and Powell (end of rotation). By the time the rotation got healthy (which coincided with the trades) the Mavs were the best team in the league. Other than the last two games where they sat the starters, they were 16-2 since March 7th and one of the 2 was missing Luka. Look at the starters besides Kyrie. PJ and Gafford came from lotto teams and PJ wasn't even a starter there. DJJ was a minimum contract. Exum who started a lot was a minimum contract. Dereck Lively was a rookie. Add in Kyrie missing 1/4th of the season and it puts into perspective how impressive it is that the Mavs won 50 games. They would have been the 2nd seed in the East.
Only 1 person on this show has done his homework on Luka and actually watched his games and it’s the man on the left. There’s not a single one of them up there that would say right here/now that they would rather have Jokic over Luka in a game 7 (post season) game. And that should tell you everything you need to know. Period.
Jokic disrespect is crazy lol I think Luka is better from the eye but u gotta win chips and mvps to prove u the best . Just like in a fight regardless of who u think is gonna win u still have to fight the fight to Confirm it
The problem with the MVP argument is that Luka should have won the award this year, but the media awarded Jokic when he averaged 8 less points a game. MVP award doesn't hold value when the media gives it to the wrong player....looking at you Lamar Jackson
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The Luka hate getting so crazy that Jokic finally getting love. 💀
Thats what I’m saying 😂😂 suddenly Jokic is so effin good, just to keep Luka from ascending to the top. Can’t have two of those you know what’s as the best, one is fine though.
Ohhhh how the world turns lol
The right side of this panel. And those are the ones I don't consider real sports analysts.
lol . They want Anthony Edwards to be better then luka SO BADLY . Joker and luka can’t be the best in the league cuz they both white . There , I said it . Eat me up internet 😅😂 lol we all know joker and luka are the most dominant at the moment .
I don’t think it’s Luka hate, it’s just ppl be so quick to push ppl to be the best player after winning 1 ring. Remember when ppl was saying how many rings giannis got win and he was the best player, now he hasn’t made the conference finals since that ring I think and ppl saying he not even in the convo
I would say Luka and Joker are the 2 best playing right now.
Exactly
THAT CAN NOT BE DENIED 😅
Joker never beat a 50 win team in the playoffs stop it
And Caitlin Clark. Hmmm 🤔
Look at the stats that mvp voters look at. The biggest stat is how many points the players worth. When joker ain't playing he's worth 19 points a game. Second to him was SGA. SGA was worth 11 points... That's why he's the muh fing mvp bruh... look it up
MVP should have been Luka: #1 points #2 assists #16 rebounds only guard in top 48 # 10 in steals #2 3pt shots made #1 FG% in paint #1 clutch baskets set 5 NBA records.
Correct
Wrong... and here's why... the people voting on mvp take a lot more into account like how much your player effects the game and the players around him.. so one way to measure that is the Bpm stat. And if you ain't know what that means here it is. Mind you they're all complaining about luka now when they was just complaining about SGA... and I'll tell you that SGA finished 2nd in this stat, but the difference between joker and sga was almost 10 points... joker was worth 19 and sga finished second with 11... and that was 1 and 2... now here's your definition........ BPM stands for box plus-minus, which is a basketball statistic that estimates a player's impact on the game relative to the league average. It uses advanced box score data, such as rebound percentage and true shooting percentage, to calculate the points differential (positive or negative) over 100 possessions. A score of 0.0 is considered league average, while a score of +5 means the player is five points better than average over 100 possessions. BPM can also be used to evaluate a player's offensive or defensive impact.
@@thomasglavin5029all that isn't really saying SGA better than Luka, now look at who's watching at home.
Nah Luka puts up great numbers but he’s too ball dominant and doesn’t play off the ball
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mthis silly tired argument again? Luka doesn’t have to play off ball, that’s not his job. When he doesn’t have the ball he provides spacing by drawing attention as a 3 point threat. They have other athletic slashers and corner shooters to handle the off ball stuff when Kyrie has the ball. Luka does occasionally seize the moment and make off ball cuts, just not too often because again, not his role. Watch some Mavs games.
Luka Doncic would have multiple MVPs if he had a better teammates
But at times, that can actually work against you if your teammates are too good to where guys can cancel each other out
@@jctslice People called Kawhi the best with 0 MVPs
@lyndonchastain3181 But he had something BETTER that walks him into the hall of fame - TWO Finals MVP's - on two different teams!
Yet he doesnt. If he could fly he would be a bird....😂😂😂😂
🤔 He nearly got the same team, and Brunson Had an incredible year… Give me another reason 🫡
The MVP argument is dumb ... Your roster can help you win the MVP
Clearly not Cuz Tatum ain’t win it yet sooo
@@Skiandthstswatitis Tatum is up there cos he is just a marketable great player, but he ain't a generational talent.
@@reckon7457 so that mean he can’t win mvp ? That’s not a good take
Nobody ever thought or thinks Tatum is the best in the league 🤣🤣😂😂
@@Skiandthstswatitis Finals MVP maybe, since he always have a stacked team every year. He will eventually win it.
Crazy how the league has come full circle. The Dream Team shocked the world in 92 with how great they were at basketball. Now, the best players in the NBA are from overseas. Nuts!
What's really crazy is the top 2 guys are flabby white Eastern Europeans.
Thirty years a long time
Well they motivated a lot of kids which is now coming to fruition. Now the same needs to happen with the US born players, elevate the game, the fundamentals is what many of them lack since everyone prefers athleticism and straight up shooting.
Best players in the NBA are from the states not no overseas
Crazy
He's already the best player in my eyes, has been for a while now. Wouldn't be mad if others think Giannis or Jokic though.
For me It's Jokic
@kanajingly8957 huh ? Tf you just say
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Kobe only had one regular season MVP, that trophy is so overrated
So did Shaq. Meanwhile Curry had 2 with 30/5/6 numbers. I mean that is easily the worst numbers I've seen for an MVP since Nash....and he did it TWICE!
Ok but you gotta give me other mvp years yall do this all the time. The stats and winning matters. I say mj should only have 1 more mvp and thats in 97 but its debatable. Dont just throw the kobe 1 mvp thing out or even shaq we need proof
Kobe, with his untimely demise propelling him up the all time greats list, is vastly overrated. He was a ball hog and stat padder who had a prime shaq carrying the load his first 3 rings. Yes he matured into a much better rounded player/leader later on but he was never definitively superior to his contemporaries. Call it bad luck but he just happened to play coinciding with other players best years. Shaq, LeBum, Nash, etc all had more team impact when they won the award.
Been saying it’s the most overrated award
@@SDesWriterhuh
Jones! Winning NBA MVP does not mean you’re the best player in the world. Most valuable doesn’t mean best in the world!
Yea it does. They call the MVP the best player in the world no matter how you slice it.
It literally is when it's 3 times in four years
@@AbdullahFarhanLifeso Nash > Kobe ?
@@elidamsft u comparing Nash to Jokic?
@@AbdullahFarhanLife No hes comparing nash to kobe lol We all know who the better player out of those two was....and it wasnt even close lol!!!!
If Dallas wins and Luka dominates people will be kicking themselves for giving jokic a third mvp. Should have been Luka and it would have been Giannis 2 jokic 2 Luka 1. Media just didn’t like Luka till now.
The only reason they could hide their hatred is because he was the 5th seed but it was absolutely out of hate for a lot of them.
Nah Jokic earned it this year
33.9 9.8 9.0 and he didn’t get MVP I was SICK
Never thought I'd see the day. Argue about the Best NBA player out of 3 foreign players. Awesome.
Why is that awesome - because blak Americans are not automatically at the top for once? Even though it is mainly the media changing things...
Having good squads leads you to better season records, that is a big factor in selecting the MVB. Right?.
Luka was Rocky of the year as well.
Exactly... It can be based off your roster too. ... Just be the best player on your great roster
They got so many goofy people voting you'd be shocked. Luka averaged a 34 pt triple double and had the best team after the trade deadline. Still came in third.
@@Travis89-ob5tton 43 percent shooting
Jokcic won mvp as 6th seed
@@Travis89-ob5ttBut look at Luka’s usage rate
Luka is the most double teamed, blitzed player in the league and still puting the numbers...when they didn't go double on him he will put you 73 pts...don't know how dominant one can get...it's just the hate, now his showing his true potential with the right healthy team, not in the regular season with scrubs and injured players...he should be an MVP and is the best in the league...also a major clutch player..
We can finally move on to the future GOAT Debates of: Michael Jordan vs Victor Wembanyama, Michael Jordan vs Anthony Edwards, Michael Jordan vs Luka Doncic, Michael Jordan vs Nikola Jokic, Michael Jordan vs Jalen Brunson, Michael Jordan vs Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Michael Jordan vs Ja Morant, Michael Jordan vs Donovan Mitchell, Michael Jordan vs Jason Tatum, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Luka never .
😂 Michael vs everyone because Micheal would cook everyone you just named
@bryantaylor7820 no it's only mike
@TheDsaf10 turn on espn. It's not only mike. Have you been hibernating
@@bestrong8543 💯💯🔥🔥😎😎
This group has more brains than any other groups I’ve listened to.
Luka is definitely best player in NBA no question
Regular season scoring champ. Top performer in the playoffs. Leading scoring, rebounds, assist, steals, free throws, fg%, 3 Points made.
Luka was the REAL MVP this szn
bruh luka should’ve won mvp this year 34-9-9 vs 26/25 ppg joker.. that’s crazy
But look at Luka’s usage rate vs Jokic, the offense runs through Jokic yet he barely has the basketball in his hands because he’s a pass first player
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m he’s a center… you do understand that correct?? compare a center’s usage rate to a center and a point guard to a point guard.
34-9-10*
@@headpaid_ he is hardly just a center.. he is a point center... he touches the ball every possession but his impact on others is far greater he makes everyone better .. i love luka but he is selfish and his teammates suffer from it typically.. look at brunson he was obv being held back in dallas
funny you put all of luka's stats but only put jokers scoring stats to make your point
MVP isn’t a concrete accolade. A scoring title is!!! Why??? The MVP award is always subjective. Right now, where we stand today, with a championship and finals MVP Luka gotta be the clear cut current best player in the world. End of discussion!
Shady on a roll lately
been on a roll
Facts
Last 2 years Luka averaged 34 and 33pts in the regular season and joker averaged 26 and 25pts Luka just basically averaged a 30 point triple double this year. Who else can do that but him ? If he wins the finals this year he’s definitely the best player in the world right now.
No he’s not he don’t have any mvps or a ring debate over 🙅🏿♂️
@@bestrong8543he already has more first team all nbas than Jokic. He’s better this year, it’s that simple.
@@invisobill2125 Luka he has no rings or no mvps you being a prisoner of the moment and don’t know basketball lol stop this nonsense joker is that dude and has already won a championship Luka hasn’t done shishh compared to the Joker argument over good night 😴
@@invisobill2125 Luka he has no rings or no mvps you being a prisoner of the moment and don’t know basketball lol stop this nonsense joker is that dude and has already won a championship Luka hasn’t done shishh compared to the Joker argument over good night 😴
Very rarely do I but I agree with Shady , Luka like that …. He a bad man
I love Luka more than Joker and yes MVPs don’t always mean you’re the best in the world most of the time in todays day and age it simply means you just had the best szn but in Jokers case I completely understand James’ argument the voters did not get it wrong only time they did is when they allowed Embiid to cry his way to an MVP then he was nowhere to be found in the playoffs. Context matters and as of right now Joker is STILL the best player in the world💯🤷🏽♂️
I’m here for shady! I’m a die hard DC4L fan so not a fan of his! But here he is 100%! Keeps it a buck every time no matter who or what!
Luka should have a MVP based off what he did this season.. He had the best numbers.. He only finished 3rd in voting due to his team not having the success Denver & OKC had… which was marginal
Yet they are out from WC..Luka beating one of them in Okc and beat Minnesota 4:1 who beat Denver...
I'd rather Luka Doncic be the playoffs and western finals MVP as well as win a ring than win the regular season MVP lol
I agree with James. Luka needs a regular season MVP, Chip and Finals MVP
Lukas numbers this year were unprecedented
This better than FIRST TAKE
Couple tings:
1. Luka should have at least 1 MVP, but Voters got fatigued before even giving him one. So it should really be Jokic 2 and Luka 1
2. Saying Luka has fewer MVPs and Jokic has 3 and the age is irrelevant is simply stupid. If they both played the same amount of seasons, you can compare the resumes. In 4 Years when Luka is Jokers age, he might have more chips and similar MVPs.
We'll see. But I followed the Mavs since Luka was drafted, and he is that Guy and always has been. Its crazy to see the Media go nuts about him now, since this Playoffs he has atually looked out of form compared to his usual.
Shady clueless as usual.
He was talking crazy😂😂
@@universe-ie2mk how did he get this job? I don't get it.
So is acho
He made so much more sense than anyone else this segment. MVP is a joke award. Basing everything off of that is brain dead.
Shady speaking facts.
Hate to admit it, but Shady was cooking in this segment.
Not until he said Luka taking an average team to the finals so we calling kyrie average 😂
His age take is wrong, who cares if Luka is 25 lol
As a Jokic fan, Luke is definitely the best if he wins this title
Nah you can jump him like that. It’s even theb then that tie breaker is next year
As same I'm saying it's a tie until I see what happens next year.
Jokic has NEVER beat a 50 win team in the playoffs. Luka has beaten 5 of them and 1 60 win team in the playoffs.
This is a stupid stat. Jokic is the only player in history to win a title without an all star or all nba teammate. What kind of stupidity is this
@@AbdullahFarhanLife it's a real stat.
@TheGarciaKidd 3 mvps and 1 ring, that's a real stat too ;)
@AbdullahFarhanLife and you won't see me crying nor bitching about it lmao
Tatum did the same thing and still gets put down. Made to the finals at 25, carried a team, and was hard to stop
💯
Don’t forget rookie of the year for Luka
The humble Luka died and the beast has came out. He's balling out and talking his ish I love it. Him and kyrie are coming to play and give it there all. They had the hardest path to the finals. And there story os better imo. A finals win gets redemption for kyrie and recognition for Luka being that guy. Plus I always like rooting for the underdog. So I feel the Mavs are going to win the finals. Pj, Gafford, and the other Mavs have stepped up as well. So everyone is doubting them and got the celtics winning already but I've seen how the Celtics have choked before. So we shall see come tomorrow night. But I love the game and will be happy for Tatum and Brown of they win too.
Bro….you nailed it….boston beat teams with major injuries
If Luka plays more off the ball that gets more shots for PJ Washington, Derrick Jones Jr, Kyrie, Daniel Gafford etc
I can imagine Luka and Nikola watching the argument together, eating popcorn and laughing like: look these fools😂😂
It’s an indictment on the MVP voters.
Really wanna be technical…. Luka should’ve won MVP this year honestly
Nah Jokic earned it this year
Jokic shouldve won last year
I agree with James Jones. We can not make Luka the Best player in the world in one season
MVP is a popularity vote...the credentials to get one changes too much!
That's funny because jokic would of never won if it was that. They go by the advanced analytics now not popularity and jokic crushes all advanced stats nobody is close.
When are we gonna acknowledge that the regular season mvp now is a popularity award not just based off stats
How is it a popularity award? Jokic is barely ever talked about in mainstream media. He lacks a narrative, just like Luka, so he gets ignored too.
Most of the Finals talk has literally been 90% Kyrie. Luka, Tatum, and Brown barely get talked about.
It’s a narrative award to prop up their assets not popularity
In my eyes as long as you a top 3 finalist you good in my book it could have went any way unless it unanimous like curry that’s a real MVP because it’s no debate you were so great that you’ve separated yourself soo far from the rest that a 2nd and 3rd spot doesn’t even matter
If it was a popularity award Jokic would never win it.
I'm going with shady take. Luka the Don is the best in the game today. He's box office, it's a difference
MVP is cool now but let’s be real it’s not the prestige award no more
Luka 🔥
MVP JUST A VOTE.....EYES EASY LUKA
Jalen Brunson balled with that WCF team
the fact that this is even a discussion already speaks volume you can make a case both ways but its something to talk about
Man yall can’t dismiss Jokic cuz yall was the same people saying Jokic was the best last year
If you compare both to age 25 Luka runs circles around jokic
She doesn’t matter it’s now
@@Creamcity414But the way Luka has progressed every year, in 2 or 3, it will then be "now" and it may not even be a discussion anymore. Just his progression from last year in his 3 pointer, free throws, and defense is immaculate.
You guys gotta break it down you didn’t break down that Luca has the ball all the time he scores more points than the joker has rebounds assist, but he controls the game as a true point guard. Also, he’s mess up with a lot smaller people. It’s a bigger person they’re not able to stay with him because he’s too crafty.
Shady spitting facts
Luka just SPANKED the same team that sent Jokic home. That has to count for something.
It doesn't because its all about matchups. The wolves were built to beat Denver. Now if the Mavs had beaten Denver than it would count for something.
Luka AND KYRIE IRVING. Joker does not have a halloffamer in his team!!
@@dlekic give Luka MPJ Gordon and Murray and he beats Sota. Also, Joker doesn't take Dinwiddie Finney and Hardaway Jr to the WCF.
Luca has been a champion a few times playing against grown man as a kid in Europe. All he needs is an NBA title. To solidify has basketball status. Not many players have his resume.
Embiid hasnt made it past the second round why is he in this convo
You don't watch Jokic if you actually think he stat pads. The dude couldn't care less about an MVP trophy. Shady makes himself look bad on a good day, but he really showed his bias on this one. Also, Jokic wasn't playing with the same Denver team for the last 4 years. One of those years, Jokic took the equivalent of a G league team to the playoffs. Acting as if Jokic has always had great players around him now.
Yeah that was the only bad take I saw was saying Jokic stat pads. That was the dumbest take ever, he's completely opposite of a stat padder.
@WhiteGuyMike Right. I don't actually care about the best player debate. It's not Jokic's style. To me, he's arguably the greatest teammate of all time. What he has been able to do to help his teammates reach new levels is awesome.
First time Luka gets a decent team, a new 3,4,5 this year and Luka has them right back to the WCF's and now the NBA FINALS! Luka the best player in the NBA and a Winner with whoever he has on his team! This team been together less than 6 months and we bout to battle the best team in the NBA! And I got Mavs in 6, maybe 5 or 4 if refs call a fair game!
"Yall watch Luka. Watch it"
Luka is the best playing the game right now.
Luka leading the whole playoffs in points, assist and ... rebounds?? That is crazy as a 1 or 2 guard.
Not to mention a few other things, forgot what they were though.
Mind he the most double temed, blitzed in the league and still puting that numbers...when his not double teamed he puts a 73 pts alone..smh
I agree wit shady
Luka Doncic has a homie named Nikola Jokic, who along with teammate Jamal Murray, and the Denver Nuggets ended LeBron James’ 2023-2024 NBA season by GAME 5 when Jamal Murray dunked on LeBron James via a face-to-face, one-on-one posterization that will never be forgotten - Jamal Murray BAPTIZED LeBron James - with a nasty facial, followed by a game winner that ended LeBron James’ career/LA Lakers’ career via a 4-1 Gentlemen’s SWEEP in only ROUND ONE of the 2023-2024 NBA Playoffs. Michael Jordan is the GOAT! And Kobe Bryant is better than LeBron James.
Wow he dunked on a 40yr old LeBron in season 20. And only goof balls like you would think Kobe is better than LeBron. Before Kobe died no one even had him top 5. Stop smoking moon rocks.
U obviously obsessed with bron
bro shut up
This is on point!!!!
Facts. Kobe is better than bron but LeFlop Fans are not ready for convo.
Kobe is much more skilled
Win or lose, Luka is still number 2 in the world. I need to see more before he surpasses Jokic.
That’s fair
No his not..
I love Luka.But always remember-Joker won a chip without an allstar within his team,in his 1st final+finals mvp +3 regular season mvp's,should be 4.Luka have Kyrie with him.Big difference.But Mavs are great this postseason-they've won all of their series without the advantage of the home court.I'm happy for both of them.
This Might Be A Random Question But Uh Is Pau Gasol Better Than Chris Bosh?
Rough to compare they played different positions
Easy answer: yes
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Yes
@@henrystreet6152 Yes I 1000% Agree With You There My Brother Believe Dat
Luka couldn't really be stopped by Minnesota's defense but Joker can be defended if you have the right pieces. Can't really call Luka a bad defender anymore either, unless your opinion is several months old.
No one's stopped him. Murray was banged up and bad this year. Nobody wins without a good 2nd player. Not Jordan, not lebron nobody. In fact Jokic is the only player to EVER win without an all star team-mate but I will say last year Murray did play like an all star, this year he didn't.
He is definitely still a bad defender. He cant stay in front of anyone on ball. This narrative that he has great defense now bc of a couple games is ridiculous. The mavs will have him guarding a bum like always.
@@RT-qz5ci maybe if he hasn't had the most steals in the entire playoffs, including getting 5 steal in a game against Minnasota. As for defend "a bum", I don't know if effectively defending PG and Kawhi in round one counts.
The best top 5 players right now are
1. Jokic
2. Luka
3. Tatum
4. Giannis
5. Steph
😂
Not a bad list...just switch Tatum with Curry.
Tatum over Giannis is crazy.
i always drink coffee while watching shady getting busy and cooking everyone on the table
MVP is an option award. Jokic wasn’t better in any form or fashion then Luka this year
Lol
@@danielrivadeneiraalvear3091he was not. They gave him that award cos they believed he should have won it the year prior…Kyrie missed 25 games last season and Luka still had a near 34-9-10. Jokic would be a unanimous MVP with those stats
I agree with this but I think Jokic is the better player and obviously more accolades.
I love shady! Real talk!
if Luka got the post trade-deadline Mavs in the beginning of the season, he would've been at least a top 3 seed in the west and he probably would've won MVP
I love how the panel just glosses over the fact that Luka had Jalen Brunson alongside of him the season the mavs lost to the warriors in the conference finals that’s crazy
They have watered down the best player on the planet designation. We know the best player on the planet when we see it and it doesn't matter if he wins the title or not.We know he's still that guy. MJ, LeBron etc.
Yall was wrong when yall was having that conversation during Jokic run
Jokic is the first 41st pick to win MVP, first 41st pick to win 2 MVPs, first 41st pick to win 3 MVPs.
First 41st pick to win the Finals MVP.
Don't get me started on the All NBA teams
James Jones is my favorite sports analyst on TV/RUclips. I find myself agreeing with his takes time and time again
If jokic is that dominant, why could he not make it past the 2nd round.
I always thought that he was boring and over hyped, but during that final game, he DID do all that HE could do on his own to win, but it didn't work.
@@HardCold-Alquan MPJ was a no show Murray was a no show. That's what happens when your team sucks hopefully they trade MPJ he even more nervous than Antman out there.
@@HardCold-Alquanhe played unbelievable well
I don't get ur point, is the best player suppose to win every year? It's sports. You can LOSE.
Because basketball is a team sport? 🙄😑
Shadys point is right here - Luka has been All NBA 1st Team 5 times in a row by age 25. That's more impressive than the MVP award because it becomes heavily compromised. All NBAs don't get compromised as easily because there are 3 teams so the actual best players get their spot.
I remember a similar convo about lebron back in the day when he was carrying a cavs team😅
Give the man the respect the he deserves
If Luka wins the championship it will be great for him. I remember in 2012 when KD was in this position at 23 years old and the sky was the limit for him
For me its Jokic and by a bit of a distance. 3 MVPs in 4 years ( 2nd last year, ) averaged a triple double in the playoffs and only player in history to a win a title wihout an all star or all nba team teammate. I love Luka, i just rate Jokic more
This reminds me of Kawhi Leonard when he won in 2019. He had no mvps but he got pushed as the best player because he already won finals mvp in 2014 when he was with the Spurs and he just beat the Warriors and won his 2nd finals mvp. They are already saying Luka has 5 all nba first teams to justify
MVPs are popularity contests....why are so important especially since they dont include post season.....
The MVP is a bad argument. Luka was better this year and another year when Jokic won the MVP. Having those doesn't make Jokic better than Luka.
Having those 3 times and a Ring makes Jokic better.
@@maqsudlatif3266 no it doesn't. This conversation is assuming Luka wins the title, nullifying the ring argument. Having the MVPS doesn't make you better. Had the voting gone differently and Jokic had 0 MVPs doesn't change his ability one iota, because it's a subjective award primarily based on narrative. Luka is better.
@@henrylowery3297 Jokic in FACT has 3 MVPs. 🤷 You can do whatever you want with your subjective opinion and can say the earth is flat.
@@maqsudlatif3266 😂😂 answer me this question, is Steve Nash better than Shaq, Kobe, KD, and Dwade?
@@henrylowery3297 objectively or subjectively? You have no consistency 🤣 Steve Nash has more MVPs than them 🤷 D Wade better than AI?
Joker is the man but only two players have made more than 73 ever and only four have made up to 73…
10:30, what man said hushed everyone up!!! 🎤 drop ...
I love that they have different opinions and I love joy she always tells facts even if u disagree with her
Love these Πü++$
I agree, it's pretty rare to see a female disagree with a man and still be right. That's kinda why I subbed. Just found em today.
I get why Jokic got the MVP (Finals MVP gives an air of inevitability, plus he was arguably snubbed last year) Luka should have been MVP this year. The word "valuable" should reflect who carried the biggest weight. Jokic and Shai had better and healthier teams that contributed to their higher win totals. Luka was without Kyrie 1/4th of the season, and pretty much the entire rotation was injured at various points throughout the season. Only 4 other players on the Mavs played > 60 games: Jones, Hardaway (6th man), Hardy (end of rotation til playoffs) and Powell (end of rotation). By the time the rotation got healthy (which coincided with the trades) the Mavs were the best team in the league. Other than the last two games where they sat the starters, they were 16-2 since March 7th and one of the 2 was missing Luka.
Look at the starters besides Kyrie. PJ and Gafford came from lotto teams and PJ wasn't even a starter there. DJJ was a minimum contract. Exum who started a lot was a minimum contract. Dereck Lively was a rookie. Add in Kyrie missing 1/4th of the season and it puts into perspective how impressive it is that the Mavs won 50 games. They would have been the 2nd seed in the East.
Talk to me when the coaches players, not the media, decide the mvp
Lesean and Joy need their own show. They can be big together
Only 1 person on this show has done his homework on Luka and actually watched his games and it’s the man on the left. There’s not a single one of them up there that would say right here/now that they would rather have Jokic over Luka in a game 7 (post season) game. And that should tell you everything you need to know. Period.
Jokic has a better bpm in the playoffs than MJ, he's the only one.
Jokic disrespect is crazy lol I think Luka is better from the eye but u gotta win chips and mvps to prove u the best . Just like in a fight regardless of who u think is gonna win u still have to fight the fight to
Confirm it
The problem with the MVP argument is that Luka should have won the award this year, but the media awarded Jokic when he averaged 8 less points a game. MVP award doesn't hold value when the media gives it to the wrong player....looking at you Lamar Jackson
Doncic is gonna own the NBA for the coming decade & change the US narrow narrative style of what is a great basketball player
Where are they are now
these guys are not watching Luka. that's the crazy part. Lesean paying attention. They aren't watching Luka play, just riding Jokic's jock strap