H&S Ultra vs Neo for Iwata Airbrush Review
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- A heads up review battle between the Harder & Steenbeck Ultra and the Neo for Iwata airbrushes. Both these models are affordable entry level airbrushes, deciding which one to get can be a little tough so, sitback and see what we think here at ISM.....
I had the Neo for 6 months and also broke the nozzle. Then it started to leak from 2 places, first from the screw in needle housing then from the needle guide. I took your advice and got the H&S Ultra to replace it and its much better built, the nozzle is much easier to clean without risk of breaking it and no leaks after 1 year of use. I like it so much I got an Evolution 2in1 too and added the pinch tip and the adjustable needle stop that the Infinity has. For anyone looking for a first airbrush the Ultra is far better than the Neo for just a little extra money.
To need a wrench to remove the nozzle is an absolute no go. I would buy an H&S Ultra - german quality!
The O ring eventually broke and afterwards I accidentally sheared the nozzle in half when over tightening it so I will deffo get the Ultra, seems way more convenient too.
Love my Ultra, but not the aircap. Changed it to hst-126793 air cap, and wow much better results! Finer lines, much less dry tip. Easier cleaning, you can pinch the nozzle for backflush. Try it! 👍
Some insightful comparisons in this review thank you. I admit I own a neo, but I don't have any issue with cleaning or trigger feel. I guess you just get used to your own brush and develop a method of cleaning that works for it. What I can't find on any of these reviews is the most important thing about these brushes, and that's how they actually spray and lay down paint. How they compare in that field is surely as important?
Hi adam, yeah this was more a comparison than a review, i reviewed the neo a few months back but couldn't test it on camera as the needle nozzle had snapped (ironic i know lol) in this coming months news show there will be an actual review of the ultra in the style i did for the H&S Infinity in last months show
Great info! I just purchased H&S Hansa topline 381. I am total novice. looking for info, how important is a cut-out handle to purge clean? and can u get replacement parts?
Paul, great review, and thank you for doing it. As you know from the forums, I jumped in with the H/S Ultra about a month ago. As a total newbie, I've found the Ultra to be really easy to use: solid in my hand, good trigger sensitivity, etc.
2 questions, though:
1. I only got the smaller color cup and the 0.2mm needle. How or where would I go about getting the larger cup and the 0.4mm needle?
2. Also, how do you do the back-flush thing on the Ultra when cleaning it? The nozzle guard/tip has side-ports. Do you pinch it somehow?
Thanks David, your over in the states aren't you so not sure of a local supplier for you, air-craft.net in the uk are very good and I'm sure would ship overseas and they do the larger colour cup and needle set. To get the pinch tip i have you need to get the needle nozzle front (in either .2 or .4 mm needle size) thats fitted to the infinity its a £18 upgrade but allows much faster cleaning and needle clearing
Great review. I´ve an Iwata Eclipse HP-CS and use it for weathering my rolling stock with acrylic paints. Need an airbrush for spraying primers and clears, don´t know if buying one more Eclipse, an Revolution or the H&S Ultra.
How about actually spraying them?
No
if you snap the head of the neo again ... push a toothpick in the hole TIGHT and screw the rest of the head out and order a new one. done as simple as that. my bigger problem is, the paint is bubblin so much in the cup that it comes out i demontaged it new head and needle & cleaned it and all but it is still doing that. What can cause that ?
Yeah i got mine out with a reemer, i know others that haven't been so lucky though :( As for the bubbles that may be damage caused the first time round maybe damaging the needle nozzle threads on the ab body preventing it sealing properly
Paul @ ISM but that should be solved with the blue sealer or how you call that liquid mask ?
You could try it yeah
I’ve used both and concur the information in this video; the Ultra is a far superior airbrush. My Neo is now a practice tool for my son and I don’t even touch it... but I do catch him using my H&S airbrushes when I’m not looking ;)
Great to hear!
You got alot more for your money than I did. I just spent $82 on the H&S Ultra and all I get is the brush, the .2mm needle, 2 ml cup. I had to buy the disconnect hardware and bought a lid for the cup. It is a 2ml infinity lid I hope it works on the Ultra. I imagine a 2ml cup is the same across all devices.
He did say he bought the Ultra 2 in 1, and that there was just a single cup and no quick disconnect in the Solo.
Thank you for this. I have a Neo and could maybe doing with upgrading anyway, but, how does the quick release thing on either airbrush connect to the air hose from the compressor? There does not seem to be any threading for connection. And oh I agree, the Neo is a pig to clean!
Hi there is a kind of airbrush, there is a nut under the cup, its benefits, and the video that I showed you, there is no nut below the cup, I am in a whirlpool I do not know what kind I buy. Please help, thank you very much 🌹
What size needle should you use for the widest aka biggest spread? Thanks just subbed, and God bless!
I just bought an ultra before I seen this comparison. Very good point is that the ultra has 3 good o rings apposed to the 1 good one and 2 meh ones of the neo. I am happy I chose right and thanks
Right on
Hi, I'm looking at buying the ultra and I can't seem to find the option to get it with the pinch clean tip? Where did you get yours? Thanks in advance.
I bought the option parts for the evolution as they all fit on each other as a different alternative check out the Ultimate Apex brush we sell at www.umpretail.com out of stock right now but will be back in soon, Paul
Great review. I was all set to buy an Iwata Neo, but I've just changed my mind and ordered a Harder & Steenbeck Ultra instead. Thanks
Excellent :)
Can you pull the needle out towards the back on the Neo for cleaning? It looked like you could loosen the nut on the back like on the Infinity...thanks
Yes you can!
Yea
Ive had the NEO gravity siphon feed (purple box) and had no problems with it for 2 or 3 years now, I bought a side cup for it and its awesome. just picked up the gravity feed one to see how I'll like it I mean its 50$ at hobby lobby with a coupon haha
Hughie1987 is it still going I just got ome
I just bought the NEO. But also have the Eclipse HS it's worked just fine, can't wait to try out the NEO
SPARMAX SP35C VS NEO FOR IWATA? PLZ SUGGEST ? OR H&S ULTRA?
I have both brushes... one thing I need to comment on. I live in Vancouver B.C. Canada... and good luck finding any parts for H&S. I had to order a fine line air cap from the u.s.
Not a deal breaker... but much easier for me to get Iwata parts.
Thanks for watching - Paul :)
I just like to say back flushing airbrush cleaning media cleans the nozzle, hope this help as it works for me👍
Yeah but from time to time you will still need to remove the nozzle to properly clean it
The point of the crown cap is so you can see the needle.
Fair comment, as I said before I back flush at the end of every session which limits the build up, I also soak once a week. 👍
Thanks for doing this great review I have evo solo & infinity two in one but never tryed neo before
The evolution and infinity are top draw, the ultra is well worth a look at for third airbrush.
Clear and fair comparison Paul.
Thanks bud.
Cheers dude :)
Good video. Where the heck was this video six months ago when I bought the Neo?
Honestly I probably would have still bought the Neo because I got it so cheap ($40). I have had some trouble with the Neo clogging up and then paint accumulating on the cap so eventually it starts spitting. To fix the spitting I remove the cap but the clogging has still been an issue although it could be the paint which was supposed to be airbrush ready, it still seems thick. I will give it a few more chances before I decide to sell it or not.
Hi James im gonna guess the paint is vallejo model air, by how you have described it, it can be prone to blockages in an airbrush and your right it does benefit from being thinned approx 10%
Being partial to Badger, I just cant seem to fit a harder and steenbeck into my budget. I wish I could as Id love to try one. I hear everyone talk about them being a cracking airbrush but with the great customer service Ive had with Badger, I just cant force myself to shy away from the Badger Line. When I hear you say the price I get all excited until I realize its pounds instead of US dollars haha. It almost doubles in price,. At 810 bucks to get the Ultra its like $135 US dollars.
Great comparrison review though Paul. Very detailed and great information.
Deron Shank Thanks deron, I've owned badgers and i just don't like them, for me the harders are the best imo, but as always its what your budget can stretch too.
Don't own a Ultra (but I had a Neo once)...interchangeability of the needle/nozzle kits between pretty much all the different H&S brands is a huge boon in my book.
Nice review...
Cheers buddy :)
Paul @ ISM
I've been trying to get my hands on a a used classic Evo for some time now (own a silverline 2in1 and a infinity 2in1), to turn it into a dedicated 0.6mm gun for varnishing and applying heavier colors like pearls...no luck so far, but maybe I should give the Ultra try... after all it's only 1/3 of the price of an Evo and it reduces the amount of spare parts compared to say branching out to an 0.5 Iwata or Badger airbrush...
Well worth looking at buddy :)
Gteat review and a timely one for me. I'm going to purchase an airbrush in the next little while. I was going to purchase a neo, but after the review, I'll spend a little more and pop for the other one.
Thanks terry you wont regret the ultra :)
Wow I wish I watch this before I bought both of the neo's, bummer! Good review, thanks 👍
I have the H&S Infinity. I've never had any trouble with it. Proper German quality.
The ultra review will be on the April news show, not the march one, unless I can find a time machine lol
Hi.
A review have to be knowledge, but many speaks about other things.
How fine they spray, pattern, performance, reliability, ease in cleaning, ultrasonic cleaning, fabrication defects, construction disadvantages, etc.
I want a review for beginners.
EXAMPLE:
My IWATA NEO CN have rubber seals, is not so modular and dont have that needle cap of HS infinity
HS infinity have teflon seals is very modular (excelent for ultrasonic cleaning) and that very useful needle cap.
Yes :)
International Scale Modeller
Right !! As a pro.
Does anyone have a suggestion on the best dual action gravity fed airbrush between 50-125 dollars? I am looking for a good balance between price and quality and am stuck on what to get. I have looked at the Iwata Neo, H&S Ultra along with the paasche talon. Any suggestions?
Thanks for the comment. I really considered it based on it's price point, but with it being Chinese made, I might as well get a 30 buck Chinese one with more options or save more money and go with the H&S Ultra instead.
Interesting. I've using a NEO CN for 5 years now without any problem. I have another brushes but for heavier paints or quick coverage works I still use it regularly. The only change I made with it that I replaced the needle package seal with a PTFE one. I don't know why other people so keen on H&S head system (just try to clean a tip dry on an Ultra when there is some paint in the cup and You will get the point or forget to tighten the nozzle enough and add some pressure :) ). Just for the book I have an Evolution also and I really like it. IMHO nothing wrong with NEO in its (entry level) class.
I have the Neo and it is awesome! Regards !! (n__n)/
The ultra will also take the 0.6mm set-up
Neo isn't even an iwata product. It. Would have been a better review if it was the iwata revolution vs hs ultra imo.
Do one then ha ha
@@InternationalScaleModeller i honestly would as i own the revolution and just ordered an ultra but i don't make videos.
So I can buy 2 neo for the price of one H&S I will be buy neo
The neo is £45 and the ultra £60 in the uk, whatever price it is where you live has no bearing on my video
Harder and Steenback is the best airbrush in the world After my experience.
Nah
H&S is the best airbrush in the world right now
Meh..
Hai how mach
Smashing review. I bought an ultra recently and everything you've said is true. I put a review on the forum of the ultra vs a cheap airbrush the difference is beyond words. If you get a chance check out my vid, and comments from you would be great ( don't worry, you get plenty of name checks lol)
Cheers anthony, as you may have guessed I've watched your vids lol
spose actually reviewing how they paint is out if the question lol
6 years later who cares..
@@InternationalScaleModeller Anyone who is interested in buying one? Were you recommending removing the needle out of the back of airbrushes? You appeared to show that with the ultra.
barlow2976 no idea far too long ago to remember.
this video is not even neccasary.....The Harder steenbeck wins hands down before the race even began. the ultra is a dream to clean, much better quality all round.
I'll travel back in time 8 years and tell myself...
i wasnt meaning to sound critical of your video. it was a great review you did @@InternationalScaleModeller
Just a pity harder are all show no go😂😂
I much prefer iwata myself
@@InternationalScaleModeller maybe now they are owned by iwata things will change!
why don't you just repeat yourself 15 times!
Blablabla, harder=win
bla bla bla you= boring comment....