Dremel's Laser Cutter: What You Should Know
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- We check out Dremel's new DigiLab laser cutter, their first forray into the personal and prosumer laser cutter space. This device is Dremel's take on the Full Spectrum Laser Muse cutter, with their own software, testing, and support. We take a look at its operation, cooling unit, and chat about concerns like laser lifespan and safety.
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WOW! DREMEL GUY IS SUPER SMART, SUPER CONFIDENT, GREAT SALESMAN! I LOVE HIM!
I like how they combined the "hobby laser cutter" with 5-7k $ price.... like when you are hobby maker you can afford such a thing :D
probably more targeted towards schools and hackspaces
Hobby has never been a price bracket.
Ever tried getting a straight price out of Epilog? They don't do retail pricing
For my friends at the local library, it ended up being about 7k for the 2x4' 40w unit from epilog. Educational pricing for sure - which is what Dremel is aiming at with the digilab brand.
Other people buy Teslas for 150k for fun. Even a bike can cost way more than that. For many, it's just a matter of how much you want it.
This crowd seems like a great source of knowledge. I am looking for a laser cutter and with a top range of about $3000, what recommendations do you all have for good large cut bed cutter?
Still in the prosumer market.
My advice? Let’s see what AVe says. He’ll tell us if it will chooch, what it’s made of and if the smoke will stay in where it is needed.
It would be nice to see a Tested comparison between the Dremel and the Glowforge lasers.
We will definitely do that!
If the Dremel does not require an internet connection for use then it beats the Glowforge every time.
Both are overpriced junk.
Buy a $400 bluebox(K40) and spend $150 in upgrades to make a much better unit.
Norm, you killed it with this interview! Great job!
So, this is the muse with a dremel badge on it then?
That's what it looks like to me. Which kind of explains the price Full Spectrum doesn't want Dremel under cutting the Muse.
Just like their 3d printer was a dumbed down model of the Flash Forge Dreamer without a heated bed
Yeah, and Muse is a shit product! We bought Muse at my workplace and it's a constant pain. I worked with shitty chinese lasers that work much faster and are way more reliable and user friendly than Muse. This thing is a 5k worth of headache.
Tomop3r, I've had the opposite experience, only a few problems over the course of half a year, I recommend a Muse if you got the cash and wanna get into business, Probably still too much for the "hobby laser" designation though.
This device looks really good!
Ain’t no retina smelter5000
B doggy was looking for this
*ABSOLUTELY*
You'll put an eye out with that thing, kid!
Yeah absolutely from a safety standpoint it's absolutely very easy to use from a user standpoint.
In our age of electronics and part availability, this is way over priced..It should be more in the range from $1000-$2000 imo...cool though
EngineerPrepper full spectrum does have a laser this size that's not as polished as the muse model this is based on. But I don't think it's quite that cheap.. I guess there are Chinese lasers but those are like half the price you suggest and it shows. But you're right there should be an affordable laser with a trusted brand name or at least on that you don't have to order from some questionable sources in China with almost random shipping times that range from days to months and no product support to speak of.
Glowforge comes in at $2400 and it's a pretty nice unit IMO
The glowforge would be amazing if it weren't for their current software implementation. Its a relatively slow machine, there's no option for cooling unlike every other laser cutter out there (you're at the mercy of your buildings ac, so no workshops without AC this summer). Internet is required, and provides nothing of value (there's no way your pc or mobile device couldn't do the tracing and other image processing currently being handled by "the cloud" (poorly I might add - lots of designs just time out when preparing to cut. some folk have had to section off their more complicated engraves and do them one at a time)). Accurate alignment for tracing and design placement, across the entire cutting field, is still not working. Last time I checked, the passthrough alignment feature STILL doesn't work on the pro model.
And they honestly thought for about a month or two that they could charge 5k for the basic.
Just buy a $400 bluebox and spend $150 in upgrades to make a unit much more capable than this piece of junk.
Are you just going to post this to every comment thread in here?
That's an expensive toy, but I have to give it to the Dremel design lead for this device. This is clean, low profile and attractive. Simple looking interface.
looks cool
Tested be like "we can't wait to try it out" in other words please send us one !!! :D Looks like cool machine !!!!!
Holy hell that's twice the price of a glowforge. Laser cutters are expensive but that's taking it to new levels...
The glowforge basic was 5k until recently. Its significantly slower than any other comparable 40w laser. Basic features advertised in the original pitch are either not available or poorly tuned (you still can't trace / align properly in the corners compared to the center, which was the thing they hyped the most. And you can't fall back to traditional alignment options either). Their software in general is... terrible, even compared to the stuff I've used with china lasers. The cloud integration has made it functionally worse in most aspects compared to something from FSL, Rabbit Laser, Epilog. There's no external cooling option, putting you at the mercy of your home AC.
5-7k for a laser is not a new level at all. Epilog is 2x+ that price. FSL's hobby series is definitely cheaper, but it really depends on the extras here. Comparing to chinese diy ventures is a non starter unless you value your time and safety at $0 (I use a red sail at our makerspace, but it needed significant rewiring before it was functional, and we still have issues with engraving alignment. the 2.5w eleksmaker is great for the money but dog slow)
Zapf Eh, if you say so. The Glowforge is the only brand I know and their website lists their laser cutter at $2449 or thereabouts which is where I'm coming from. I couldn't afford one even if I wanted to anyway.
glowforge's reviews were mostly bad....
Glowforge reviews were mostly bad based on what? I have the basic. My experience has been really good. If you buy a $2500 laser and expect it to be a $10k one, you'll be dissappointed.
Wasn't there a really huge delay with their shipment for the people who preordered (over a year)? Maybe the reviews are related.
I..... I need this!!! Why do I need this? I just... It's a need!
Listen Dremel: you made it too expensive for the hobbyist, and too small and limited for light industrial use. DOA.
3d guy247 agreed.
Its designed for schools is my guess. Trotec are taking up a huge portion of that market with $25k laser engravers (that are *vastly* superior to the dremel option - not just huge markup!)
they are trying to sell it to educational institutions so that your tax pays for it. and tuition loans.
They totally threw out the kiss method when developing this and tried to make it do so much to make it "affordable" for home, hobby and small business that they forgot home, hobby and small businesses work with small budgets, and made it unfeasible to any of their target market.
last Dremel I bought was the cordless cutoff tool and that was ridiculously expensive.
If you're thinking of buying at $5,000 I'm guessing you won't have the creative mindset to get the best out of it, if you did you'd get much more for $5,000 - I'd be trying to built a DMLS printer McGyver style for that.
> "We want to bring Laser Cutters into the home"
> Sells it for $5,000
When silicon was actually expensive to make and there wasn't a lot of it.
There's tons of cheaper laser cutters that outperform this pile of junk.
+ganymedeIV4 for 5k you can buy industrial co2 laser cutter with a good cutting size
I used some laser cutters 10 years ago. Was dubble the pirce, but could cut metal and had no need for calibration...
What R&D though? They just slapped their name on someone elses lazer cutter and wrote a little software....
What an amazing company. Who else would have thought to have a laser cutter made in China, stamp a well known name on the box and sell it for $5K to the hobby market? This will do well! I just wish I could get my Dremel 3000 to stay at a constant speed.
This won't sell any better than their 3d printer. They are completely oblivious to what their target market wants.
This is awesome 👏🏻
I love these Laser Cutter previews/reviews, but I wish you guys did more videos of projects with the one you've got in the shop. After working with an industrial laser cutter, and wanting to create projects of my own, it made me cringe to see yours being used to make a stencil.
I was gonna say it looks like a rebrand of the muse from full spectrum. Then they revealed that it basically is.
They were never hiding it. They've done collaborations for other parts of their digilab series.
Dodged the tube life question quite well. 5k is a chunk of change for a 40 watt pew pew.
It comes with accessories to make engravings on round things, like pencils, glass cups?
A Chinese k40 laser is around 500$ and it has pretty much everything this one has. The bed is smaller (300x200mm), the software is pretty basic, and overall it's a cheaper build quality, but it gets the work done easily.
So, its a private label of the FSL Muse.
What people are missing about the "Chinese" lasers is that they are mostly being assembled in China using quality mechanisms imported from Germay and Japan. And these "Chinese" lasers were designed for cheap and easy replacement of every part that will ever fail. And software will be no issue. China did it right this time! My new 50/60Watt,12"(300mm)x20"(500mm) arrives next week!
Arm chair professionals out in full force in this comment section. Feels like a "Shit my grandfather says" convention.
What happens when the laser tube needs to be replaced? How much is a replacement?
When is this going to be available to the UK? I just went on the Dremel site and I cannot find this. I want this for my shop.
"Dremel's LASER Cutter: What You Should Know"
It's over priced. As is anything Dremel.
Xion Eternum still cheaper than the LightForge, and I'm sure you came in your panties when Tested did a video on that.
+Xion Eternum - And possibly overrated. I'll likely never get over that old Dremel ad where they showed someone sharpening a mower blade with a rotary tool. Talk about the wrong tool for the job, that is, unless you wanted your mower blade to look like a serrated steak knife.
@Red Jack - Don't think I saw that one, and I'm a man.
Other than pneumatic, what's a comparison tool? I never really owned anything other.
The German company Proxxon make rotary tools, they are much nicer than Dremels.
Like everything Dremel it's likely 5 times more than it should. If it cost 4 times less(software and all), I'd buy it today. But, you do you, Dremel.
Obviously and absolutely
I would totally spend 5k on this printer if the Dremel dude came with it :)
Dirty girl. Dirty dirty girl.
I hope these will be $1000 in a few years. I have ebay k40 with custom mods and cohesion3D board. Costs $300- 400
5000 USD (probably will be more than 5000£ here in the UK with VAT, duties and transport) while for nearly a tenth of the price you can buy a decent 40W CO2 laser, good luck Dremel
Typical Dremel, 8 years too late and charging 6 times their competitors price just so you can have Dremel written on the case lol Thanks but no thanks ;)
Mussy Design yo who’s got them best on price I want one
OrionMotorTech 12"x 8" 40W CO2 Laser Engraver Cutter with Exhaust Fan USB Port
Thank you
Its my pleasure , if you need more info try Thingiverse they have a huge community of inventors and builders that use 3D printers & Laser Cutters
Can you not use a Chinese laser and cut the dremel name into the shell?
Boom dremel laser under $1000
So there are a few things I like over my Glowforge but I dunno if the price is worth it.
"what does Dremel actually bring to this product?" ...diverts from question so quickly
Given the drop in 3D printers which overtook Laser Cutters into the domestic market, $5000 is a very high price point. It needs to be sub $1500.
5000$??????Damn! Will stick with the crappy chinese units they get the job done.
even those chinese ones on ebay are 13ow and only run about 1.2k so yeah this is CRAZY overprized lol
But it's safer to use! It's UL certified! It won't melt your face off if something goes wrong! ...
Not disputing safety and such stuff but how many have you heard melting their faces from the ebay cheapies? This is definately not a hobby machine at that price range. You gotta be a serious hobbyist to get a toy that expensive.
And if it burns your house down your insurance will pay out, unlike if a home built or Chinese one caused the fire.
Add another 50 bucks for a fire extinguisher and don't let it run unattended, and you won't burn your house down. Also don't try to laser cut mirrors or put your face under it.
If you don't charge before preorder what guarantees are there those CCs remain active aren't just empty visa prepaids and you aren't just being flooded by people who don't really want it?
Like me I'm making 10 preorders right now
dot size? resolution? the stuff that matters?
Will it have Dremels own tech support, or are they outsourcing that to their partner?
What a great investment! Just like a boat...
Stop complaining about the price this is not for kids it is for people that works for a living.
at 1:15 you'll notice the beam is misaligned …
the lower right corner is a notorious tell.
Prolly a good idea to at least fake it when you are selling a consumer level product.
How many housewives out there know how align 4 mirrors to center at any point in the table?
I wish I had the money for this
Yeah..... I was on board until I heard the price tag.
Does any hobbyist care about UL certification? I have my doubts that they know the target audience there.
Also, not having any auto-focus feature is very inconvenient.
You should absolutely care about UL certification if you ever expect to collect a check from your insurance company should you set your house on fire. Also, you would be liable if you burn your neighbors house down.
"We helped write the standard" = "we're trying to drive competitors out of the market." No one manufacturer should be able to dictate the standards by which the others are judged.
Or you could avoid running your laser cutter unattended.
UL is for insurance companies, investors, stock holders....
How does this compare to the glowforge?
Can you cut Circuit boards with it? and will it etch?
Dremel is upping their game. I think that is pretty cool, but way out of my price range.
"Home use" maybe the size and how easy it is to operate but not the price.
Anders Johansson [clarification] "Mansion use"
Yes, you just have one of the servants trained up and they use it in the laser cutting room....
The pricing is absurd. Whoever pulls together a laser of this size that is easier to use than the eBay K40 lasers and costs around $1000 will own the hobby laser cutter market.
I imagine a chunk of that cost was them actually getting the thing UL marked, considering they had to pay UL to develop a freaking standard.
"Absolutely"... "Absolutely"... "Absolutely"... "Absolutely"... Looks like the robot you interviewed needs to be updated to give more 'human' responses.
Syrus54 this was at Maker Fair Bay Area. He is likely a engineer on the team not a paid show bunny.
Edit: 0:33 he is the product manager.
He has to talk to SOOO many people.. sometimes wires cross and you end up repeating lines/words. Happens to me a lot in sales.
Having worked a booth or two at tradeshows I can understand him. After a few days of getting the same questions over and over all day long you go into auto pilot and just rattle off the answers.
If im getting interview by Tested, I definitely shutdown on that spot lol
'what i call, kind of like, an open source material library " and other gems
"One of the big things that we're announcing today is that we're actually have the first UL approved laser cutter in the marketplace. So, we work with UL and actually, um, we also help them kind of develop the standard for lasers cuz there wasn't a UL standard for laser cutters before so, at the time, we worked through UL, kind of, supported them to write that standard and at the same time making changes to actually meet that standard"
Ok, so basically, you're announcing today that you're the first laser cutter to market that followed standards that you published, and you modified your machine to follow your own standards?
Great! I'll take 10.
I was curious what the laser cutting standard they apparently developed for UL was like, and I was not able to find any published standard for laser cutters. Which UL standard is he referencing?
standardscatalog.ul.com
I dont doubt that dremel has the money and marketing team eager to say they published the standard, its such transparent marketing wank to say they are the first to market to follow an unpublished standard written by them.
Screw this marketing wank. Tell me about the machine and why I should buy it. Don't market stuff by assuming people are stupid. Shame.
ehhh Full Spectrum Lasers Muse rebrand?
Does this cut through steel and how thick
I'd buy the glowforge it's around 2500 and it's bigger
That’s way too expensive for me. I was interested until I heard what the price was.
What show is that one
I was disappointed that they took only the briefest of moments to show examples of the units capabilities.
good interview man. that's a sweet laser cutter. I think id rather spend 5k on some other things as well as a laser cutter though... but I'm a DIY weirdo ;)
Made for the millionaire hobbyist inside each one of us!!!
How much for one without the Dremel logo on it?
Where i can buy hex box?
Ouch, that price tag is waaayyy out of my range!!
How is it any better than a GlowForge?
Does this work with Eva foam?
I have had a K40, A Full Spectrum Laser, Red Sail 60W and now have a 100W unit. Your best cost/benefit is going to be a 60 - 100 W unbranded China laser from ebay. Now I know you guys have different needs that I do, but these companies that try to make the cutter look so sexy end up MISSING the mark on power, usability, and size EVERY TIME.
New to lasers? Stop watching videos, and go buy a cheap $400 K40 laser on ebay. Learn how they work, and what you REALLY want to do with it, then decide on a bigger, better laser. That is my advise.
5 GRAND and no auto focus, you have GOT to be kidding me (the autofocus sensor is only 35 bucks on ebay).
5k 40w ? the Chinese's 80w is $4500 with double the cutting space !
it’s just the muse laser with a different name.
If only Proxxon made laser cutters.....
I'm just trying to figure out the best one that can etch handwriting on jewelry? Can anyone help?
I like the part where he says _actually_
They said it was for Schools and Home Business... Nothing about hobbyists. Stop complaining, no one is telling you to buy this. If you want a cheaper laser cutter look at glow forge for about half the price
"what i call kind-of an open-source material library"
sounds great! how many gee bees does it have? how about the blue rays? can you hook it up to the wife's surround sound?
Would love to have it but will never buy it at that price point. I need a hobby version.
Just buy a K40 laser and upgrade it. You'll save yourself $4000
I'd love to see Adam do a K40 comparison, they do have a GlowForge and Universal laser cutter (as well as their older laser cutter) to compare it to.
They're never going to touch the K40 or other OEM machines, they have signed promotion deals with these brands. If they show how good of an alternative it is, the sales of these units will plummet, and rightfully so.
Look guys a laser cutter isn't rocket science. Have a good thick unit to hold your metal in place. Point the laser down and not at your face. Make sure the guides are solid. Wear good gloves, glasses etc.
This price is a total ripoff, their margins must be massive.
I can get a industrial laser cutter used for the same money with twice the life. Fuck this thing!
Shocked by the price from Dremel..
Looks like I'll be sticking with the cutting wheel. :/
Aliexpres 60x40 cm 5w, 225dlls
HOW MUCH !!?
There is no way that is a 40 watt tube. The cabinet is too small.
Dear sir
Dremel laser cutter available in india
Pl give me detail
Gauging this to a cheap clone or DIY kit is an oranges and apples comparison. Many are discounting so many tangibles: repeatability, setup, support, documentation, regulation, warranty...If you value your time and sanity, $5k is justifiable.
I was excited.. until I heard the price... Now I am dismayed!
Prize plz
where to get a cheaper one... is what i should know
Look for K40/bluebox laser cutters. They're about $300 to $500, and there's a huge community about improving and modding them to work better.
lol, the beambox is a relabelled K40 cutter painted black for $1200 more
Basic Glowforge is ~$2500. Hard to get a decent size work bed and keep it cheap though :/
You can get an chinese water cutter for like 1/10th the price of this. It might require more technical expertise, but it's just as capable and there are a ton of videos on youtube walking you through set up and usage. Having the freedom to use just about any XY control software surely outweighs the minimal loss of proprietary features.
$500 machine cost, $4500 to a designer who design a good looking outfit, Bang, it worth $5000.