I’m leaning heavy on the IFI Zen dac v2. But need a mic option when online gaming with buddies. I’m on ps5. Can I run that dac with your wireless mic? Is it just a plug and play setup on the USB ports of the ps5?
Which of these have a good side talk option for the boom mic? It's important I don't shout late at night. Also is there a good option with q factor parametric EQ?
I was today years old when I learnt about the existence of DACs. I only have an older surround sound system that doesn't support 4k, and I really want to utilise the PS5's 4k capabilities. So this will solve that issue. HDMI directly into my 4k monitor and the sound running through the DAC and into my surround sound system. Thank you!
An audio noob here. I have the B&O Beoplay Portal (the updated Playstation version). To my understanding the audio quality it offers on PS5 is excellent, and I can agree to that with my experience with it. Sounds great. I never play with friends online, as I play exclusively only single player games or with friends in the same room on my PS5, so I never use a mic with it. Q: Why would I spend more money on a DAC? Would it actually make any real difference? Or is this purely an audiophile thing, where the effort and cost is more important than an actual difference in sound quality? I feel there is a strong bias towards the mentality of "I spend $700 so it's obviously better sound quality", even though almost no other human can hear, feel or measure the difference. I've had these moments with some of my audiophile friends, where they play me samples and try to convince me that the difference in sound quality is massive, and I can't tell any difference in any of it. Is it just me, or is it the "sunk cost fallacy" or something? I do understand that there are major sound quality differences in many products, but at what point does it really matter anymore? Spending hundreds of dollars for 4% better sound quality (how you could measure that is beyond me) doesn't seem smart to me.
I can't testify to the specifics of your ask. But if you can't tell the difference between samples your audiophile friends compare, that's 100% okay and I wouldn't sweat it. As an audio engineer, I try to milk everything for what it's worth, but I understand that most folks won't notice night & day differences to us... If you're satisfied with the sound you got. that's all that matters.
If I were you, I would be happy if I could not tell the difference at all. Just take all of this as an additional. Sometimes I felt that it is curse if you can nitpick. For some explanations tho, external DACs do provide cleaner audio output (less hiss sound, etc). Does it alter the characteristics of sound (more bass, more treble, etc) massively? Nope. The other thing with this dacs & amps, is the amp section. The question is do you need the amp? Higher impedance & lower sensitivity of headphones generally need better / more powerful amps to drive them (a.k.a sounds louder). As the other guy said, dont sweat it. If you have a chance to demo it, try it first. If you dont hear any difference, why bother. Better for you wallet I guess 😁
A really comprehensive and informative review. Thank you so very much for all this great information, your time, and effort sharing this with us all. Much appreciated, Sir.
Jds labs element III also works with ps5. U can use optical cable connected to gaming tv or switch between UAC1 or UAC2 in element 3 menu & use included usb cable. Using HD800 s with antlion mod mic wireless on ps5.
You can also download the new firmware so that you can EQ on the device itself so you can have access to EQ on PS5 (you might want to EQ down the 6K region for the HD 800 S)
“Now hopefully I don’t make your Hifi audio shopping picks any harder” are you kidding me bro?? You make me want to buy everything you put your stamp of approval on! 😂 your review is the reason I bought my Penrose and holy shit my guy I’ve ever looked at anything under $300 ever since lol. Love ya man love your content you fucking rock.
I ordered the Hel2 for the premium audio output and plan to use it with PS5's 3D Audio. However, I still have my G6 which I plan to continue to use for older consoles or games that don't have their own form of directional audio, using the G6 to interpret 5.1 for headphones. If the G6's optical ouput retains the 5.1 processing and outputs it as 2.0 for other devices, I'll likely plug that into the optical input of the Hel2 and leave my headphones plugged into the Hel2 at all times. That may seem overkill to many, but I really like Hel2's form factor and simple controls. I also expect it will drive my headphones better than G6. I'll just set my G6 once to the settings I enjoy most then leave it. It is a hassle to have to keep plugging it back into a PC to toggle virtual 5.1 and direct stereo. I've developed a preference to use PS5's 3D Audio when its available. I've found that PS5's 3D Audio is significantly more accurate to judge the location of a sound in a game than you get from virtual 5.1, at least in the case of Resident Evil 4 remake. I'd be interested to know people's thoughts on PS5's 3D audio vs virtual 5.1. Or even other forms of directional audio for headphones. Does anyone else favor a game's indigenous directional audio over virtual 5.1 when its available?
@@StayPeace69 The G6 or GC7 can be used to take in 5.1 audio over optical and provide virtual 5.1 to other 2.0 devices. You'd set the G6/GC7 to apply headphone virtualization to its line out and setting the out as stereo audio mix. So this combo can be used to keep that virtualization of 5.1 surround while benefiting from the superior headphone driver of the Hel+. However, I advise to ONLY run that setup if and only if the game or system does NOT have its own option for binaural audio, 3D Audio, or Dolby ATMOS for headphones (among other forms of directional audio). While having 5.1 surround sound as an option. AND you also have really high end headphones with high impedance (ie 150 ohms or more). (G6/GC7 can drive 300 ohms, but not as good as Hel+ can). In short combining G6/GC7 with Hel+ is a pretty niche solution that only benefit very specific scenarios, primarily for 6th and 7th generation consoles. It would not benefit modern consoles (ie PS5/Series X) or PC gaming. And will not benefit games that only have stereo to begin with. For all the current gen and stereo options, only use the Hel+ by itself for high end headphones, then have the game or system use its own form of 3D audio. I would only get one or the other. Side note: Since my previous comment, I've switched from G6 to GC7 so I can access the settings without unplugging it from USB power and into another system to change it. GC7 will let you alter settings using a mobile app which is more conveniant so you can leave it plugged in whever you want. The other note, is when I odered the Hel, they had just swapped to the Hel+ revision and that is what I received. Which made a number of noteworthy improvements over the previouse Hel2 series.
@@rajendrabiswas Sorry for such a late reply. I realized my notifications have been off. The Hel+ has two USBs. One is strictly for power. The other is for audio over USB. You'll have to select it as your audio option in the system and toggle the switch between optical & USB inputs. Also since my last comment, I pulled all G6 and GC7 from my setup. I only use the Hel+ by itself. Then set the game audio to stereo or headphone mode. Or turn on a binaural audio / 3D audio option on when available. Cuts out all the headache and still sounds really good. Same games' audio performs better this way too.
@ I hope I am Plugging in the ps5 usb also in the correct slot ? For the hel DAC I am Preety sure i am putting the usb in correct slot . I will keep trying
Great video! I appreciate all the work you put in. End game cheat code is sound blasterx g6 connected to chord mojo 2 through the optical. Basically only using the g6 dsp .You can then use mojo as your main amp/dac or upgrade to a better amp in the future. Extra bonus you can bring the mojo with you on the go to listen to music or game on almost any device.
I've been using the G6 for over 2 years now and it still sounds fantastic. Just picked up the Schiit HEL 2E and loving it so far, It's definitely a perfect match for the VZR Model One.
@@user-im7to5dj6s Yup, I have. That's been my main DAC with VZR. Both are great DACS, but if I had to choose one I think I like the Schiit Hel2e a bit more. I like the more balanced sound from it. The G6 has a bit more bass by default, I love the build quality on the Hel2e, It feels like a premium product.
Useful guide and interesting to watch, thank you. The biggest issue with PS5 isn't the UAC 1.0/1.1 limitation it's the '50%' power/volume drop (I believe this measures around -15.75db). This is why any compatible DAC/AMP will get much louder on PC or Switch as they aren't limited. My G6 with high impedance headphones; i.e. DT 770 Pro (250 ohms) has to be run at much higher volume & high gain with the PS5 and just sounds flat in comparison to using with PC or anything over optical. I know the Qudelix 5K is a great option for PS5 because it specifically has the 'Host Volume Override' feature for PS5. Also the Shiit Hel 2 & JDS Atom stack in UAC 1.0 mode might be avoiding the 50% issue. Although if they get louder on PC and I've read that in places then they also suffer. I wish Sony would support 3D audio for headphones over HDMI in the same way Microsoft do as that would open up other options. Whilst PS5 and Series consoles have great support for 3D audio this gen, the fact that neither fully support UAC 1/2 standards, or have any direct optical connection (an open standard used by most headphone DAC/AMPs) is the biggest fumble with either machine this generation imho. Although I own a G6 and other DAC/AMPs with PS5, I've just settled on PC38X or H6Pro via the controller as it's the easiest solution.
Wouldn‘t you get a better sound quality when you would use a gsx 300 in addition? Maybe not as loud but the sound quality schould be improved or am i wrong ?
@@jonasalbrecht6535 I don't think so. In that the power/vol output issue from the PS5 (same as the PS4 was) will still be there. That also before you factor in issue of microphone input on DAC/AMPs that have them being rubbish too - you'll often read mic input sounding worse than the DualSense, for example. The best audio quality will be over optical (but you lose Tempest 3D audio) or use a PCM2704 USB to Toslink adapter but this still measures as a -11db output (there are numerous video and reddit posts that talk about this).
@@jonasalbrecht6535 I have the gsx for ps5. It’s just wayyyyyy to quiet to really even be usable even with the pc38x which is crazy easy to drive . Maybe it would be alright with some iems or something.
@@sheepnoblepro1370 How are you currently connecting the TYGRs to the PS5 - through the DualSense controller? Most DAC/AMPs are going to 'fix' the low volume, it's just they will sound much quieter on PS5 vs PC or Switch - because of the -15.75db or 50% problem. So at worst the dynamic range is impacted as you have to run more amplification to raise the volume. As mentioned above the Qudelix 5K has a 'host volume override' toggle in its companion mobile app to avoid the issue. I'm not 100% sure if any other DAC/AMPs have this feature (maybe the Hel2 & JDS Atom) but most won't.
Love your channel! You've got a lot of the same interested and tastes that I do so the content is always perfect! I'd love to see a PC setup where you doing an amp/dac combo and a dedicated mic. I've been trying to figure out good combinations that will work with streaming but still have game chat with my party and a no-latency sidetone.
Sounds good! I'll be working on more content pieces like this down the road once I get more caught up on other product reviews. Thanks for supporting the channel!
This review was so much of a help. I've been having the Astro Mix-amp since 2019 and it sounds great to me because I made it wireless with the Wavzs KT-1 with 6 drivers per ear and believe me they sound awesome. But now I bought the VZR One headsets and I was surprised to see them in your video. Now I want the Schiit Hel 2 for it. I thank you a lot for this review and found what I was looking for because I feel like the Astro Mix-amp was not enough for the VZR One headphone.
Hey man, I recently bought a Simgot EW200 IEMs as my primary source of earphones. I also got a Venture electronics Abigail pro dongle DAC. The issue I'm having is that this combo works great with PC, but it doesn't work with ps5! It doesn't detect the dac itself. Please mention some DACs that go well with this IEM. THANK YOU!
I'm using the Emotiva Big Ego plus running to a Topping a30 Pro. You need to set the Big Ego to UAC1 mode every time you turn the PS 5 into rest mode but it's a small price to pay for being able to use whichever amp you want.
Wild how my Soundblaster X7 with sparkos op amps and linear power supply still beats all these options , by far! Creative needs to make a x7 successor finally
This is the most professional video i have watched, you deserve more visibility! i have a question: does exist a device that simply merge different audio sources? i desire to have something for listening to PS5, PC and smartphone all together in my headphones
I would like to see an up-to-date Xbox series X audio guide. Especially with newer headsets like the hyper X cloud 3 and EQ settings on Dolby Atmos for the hyper x
@@GadgetryTech bro thank you so much i swear u deserve more views and subs than this, i hope that you become the go to youtuber for tech reviews thx for being honest about reviews
Another banger vid! I use the iFi Zen Dac v2 / Zen CAN stack on mine, using my Sundara HP all connected with balanced cables.. absolutely love them. I also have them on a USB switch to connect to my Mac mini for music. Occasionally will power on the Arctis 7p but they’re not as comfortable (pad depth too short for ears). Side note - originally tried a Topping Dac, before I researched the UAC1, Topping does not support UAC1.
I use the Qudelix 5k portable DAC/Amp - works great with the PS5 via USB, with a decent mic input and then I can take on the road and use as a Bluetooth DAC/Amp with my phone/tablet :)
I have a few of Creative's dacs. What I find annoying about the G6 (probably Sony's fault) is that every time you boot up, the volume is always at "50%" in usb mode. Now, on the ones without the volume knob, that's as far as it goes. If you use an audio extractor, you lose the ability to use a mic with the G6. The only one I have that works as intended is the H7 Tournament Edition headset.
So i've got a question, I use the Philips Fidelio X2HR with the Vmoda BoomPro mic plugged in the the headset, this is then plugged into the PS5's Duel Sense controller, i'm often told there is some echo sound coming from the mic when i speak in party chat. Would any of these Dac solutions solve these issues. Love the video.👍
I rock a Schiit hel for all my powering needs. It does wonders for my VZR and has plenty of juice to blast my ATH-R70X, which is a thirsty monster. I use the mod mic wireless with that, and it's just complete.
@@user-im7to5dj6s The Hel will come with all the cables you need. You'll just need to use the 1/4 adapter (big gold plug thingy) that came with your VZR. I think one even comes with the Hel. Other than that, you're set!
This video just convinced me to buy another ant lion mic. I’ve had 2 for the past 15 years that just broke (likely caused by electric static shock). I need a mic for the GameDac gen 2 for Xbox.
The 560s is a great gaming headphone. I use it for casual gaming. I use a SCHIIT SYN SURROUND DAC/PREAMP/HEADPHONE AMP and it's great for Gaming and Movies. I have it connected to a Burson Soloist amp for when gaming with Headphones and to Monitor Speakers for movies. The Surround Sound is definitely more immersive
@@GadgetryTech I bought the Schiit SYN kinda just wanting to try something different and it surprised me. It works cool through the Burson Amp with headphones but I'd imagine it would be mind blowing for someone with some quality Surround Sound Speakers. You should reach out to Burson and Schiit to send you some stuff. You're defintltey as worthy as any other Audio Gear Reviewer getting those products imo
Thanks for bringing up a good dac for the VZR headphones. I got those headphones after watching one of your videos and was wondering what the best DAC for them would be! Nice prius joke btw 😅.
I got great deal on a used Mayflower ArcMk2 it works great on PS5 with hard to drive headphones HiFiMan he400se and mic in put for the Antlion Modmic uni
Is the Schiit Hel+ a newer better version of the Hel 2e that you showcased in this video? I cannot find the Schiit Hel 2e on their website. I just bought the VZR Model one, would you still recommend the Schiit Hel as your go to for the VZR? Do the VZR Model ones even need a dac/amp?
Thank you for the input, it really helped me understanding some details. Sadly there was no DAC that could connect to PS5 and PC at the same time and switch between them easily, right (except the X5, which is probably a bit too expensive for my needs)? Do you know if there is a DAC that can achieve this and also has an optical toslink output for my Sonos Ray? Or maybe you even know how I can achieve this with my existing Soundblaster GC7 and an audio extractor (toslink, HDMI and orange 3,5mm jack). In any case, thank you very much, really appreciate this video.
I love the content also I ran through all of these but the G6 and what I my endgame turned out to be the Topping DX3 Pro Plus. It's that neutral warm gets me every time.
Yeah it's an amazing DAC! I could have included more but this video already hit over 30 minutes so I had to start being more selective. The DX3 Pro Plus was the closest one to making the list though. Great callout!
Great video! Thank you for info. I’m so glad I love the Audeze Maxwells and will be using them until the end of my days. Or until the Maxwells 2 come out. Lmao
@GadgetryTech what are your thoughts on the soundblaster x4 instead of the x6? Mainly because you can use a mobile app to EQ instead of having to use PC. For PS5 with a Drop Epos p38x
Hello GadgetryTech! Please make a video of how to connect the g6 dac with the splitter for the ps5! I find it extremely frustrating to learn how to do it correctly😪
I have three options connecting my ps5 to amplifier running a 2.0 setup. First option is to use a usb to optical adapter to smp. Second option is, to use usb-c to usb-b to amp. Third option is run optical or of tv to amp. Which do you think is the most efficient/give me better sound production? All comments appreciated.
What makes more sense to me is if I could easily use any of this between both my PC and console easily, so DACs with multiple inputs that are easy to switch and/or music mixers. Personally, I wouldn't spend a lot on audio gear on a $500 PS5 but that's just me.
I use the Atom DAC+ that goes into a Topping A30 to drive Mk3 Argons. You just have to make sure you get the correct (white) usb cable from JDS labs to get usb audio working. Would be nice if the xbox series worked with the same setup
I currently use the Epos PC38x. In this video you mentioned it comes down to the type of headset others use. So do you think it is necessary to buy a dac for this headset?
Hey I got Creative G6 on my PC, and i wonder what is the best way to play video games on windows 10. Should i use dolby atmos for headphones ? Use G6 in direct mode - stereo ? Use 7.1 gaming setting ? I am really confused.
Man I wish this was around when PS5 came out. I ended up with a Mayflower Arc mk2 with PC38x. It seems like a lot of these DACs re-added UAC1 since I feel like it was between the Soundblaster, Atom and Mayflower when I bought mine. In hindsight the PS5 controller drives the PC38x just fine and that Mayflower sits in a drawer now.
I'm debating using some headphones with my PS5, but since I only play single-player games and don't ever game online (and so never use the chat feature), I've been kind of hesitant to spring for a dedicated "gaming" headset. I have a pair of Sony MDR1 AM2 headphones that I really like, and I'm thinking they should work fine with just the PS5 controller, since they don't need much power to drive. I haven't yet had a chance to test them out (not a lot of gaming time nowadays), but based on the specs do you think I'd benefit from getting a separate DAC, like the iFi Zen Air you mention here?
Having used Astro A40 mix-amp since 2019, I would like to upgrade my sound for mainly FPS gaming (MW & WZ). You kind of hinted at the G6 for all the features including EQ support. What headset would you recommend for imaging and soundstage to pinpoint footsteps?
Thanks @GadgetryTech, read on... We NEED this clarified - NOBODY else will ever answer this online: "Tempest 3D audio works with all of these DACs" - DAC Feature: DAC connects to HDMI Audio Extractor via Optical - So is Tempest 3D NOT lost when using HDMI Audio Extractor -> Optical? The BIG question: Is 3D positioning of FPSfootstep greatly enhanced by having PS5 -> [HDMI] -> Audio Extractor -> [Optical] -> DAC?? I.e., Is PS5's Audio Output set to "AV Receiver" and "5.1" / "7.1" channels better than 2 channel USB connection to DAC? Watching your video made me wonder.
What i know about the G6, beacuse i tryed with my ps5 for 2 months, is that it doesn't work Direct mode and EQ on Ps5, but it works just on PC. So i would like to know how he did let work the EQ on PS5... i am sure i did nothing wrong.
Amazing information. I am side-eyeing that VZR Model One still however, they are still not available in Europe and seems like the guys at the company went radio silent. Absolutely bummed out.
Hey Joe. Have you tested the PS5 output settings with DACs via optical in? My LG C2 is connected via Optical to my Fiio K5 Pro. As you know, with this setup, the PS5 only considers a TV or AV amp as devices. The AV option allows for both stereo and surround configurations, with the possibility of adjusting speaker locations. I've been trying to test this to see which option provides the most proper stereo mix and imaging with headphones. I'm still not sure what I prefer. Did you look into this?
@@edwardmenendez I am using DT770 pro , I am using it with portable DAC on my mobile phone, I modded the headphone to use detachable balanced cable because my DAC has a 4.4 mm balanced jack. I am clearly able to hear the bass improvement, the sound stage has extended, overall. Listing experience has improved . But the problem is my usb DAC doesn't work with Playstation. I want to buy a DAC that works with Playstation 5.
Does all of these are compatible with PS4? Because of the UAC 1/2 thing i got lost a little. Im interested in the Fosi and in the ifi but the ifi uno, little less expensive but a lot smaller. Thank you for your videos, it has been really helpful because a lot of people doesnt focus on consoles.
pretty informative video mate!! i just wanna ask your opinion if the fosi k5 pro is enough to give some juice to most iems for ps5? or by just plugging it straight to the controller is enough..hope to have your feedback regarding this..Thanks heaps in advance!!
Hi. Great video! So, I am new to Custom Audio/Mic setups... I have a PS5 and the Kingston HyperX Cloud Flight (maybe cloud flight 2's) that I use wirelessly. They're ok, but i want to get into something better quality as my current setup sounds lackluster (empty: no bass, etc.) What would you recommend? I want to keep the cost down... Do you think the SoundBlaster G6 + my Kingston HyperX Cloud Flight (possible 2's) would give me a better sound profile? or should I look into getting new headphones as well? Looking forward to your response.
I was actually looking into the Fosi K5 pro so im glad this one was included in your video. Do you know which gaming microphones are good plugging in directly to ps5? I bought the Fifine AM8 but my friends tell me they hear static while i talk. I did some research and reviews on the Fifine AM8 and it sounds good on when i hear people use it. Not sure why my friends hear a bit of static when i use it on my ps5
I lean towards Antlion mod mic systems. There are three versions to choose from, but they are hands down some of the best you can get. antlionaudio.com/
Hi, do you happen to have experience on SS gamedac gen 1 PS5 setting ? My current setup pS5 hdmi > hdmi optical extractor > gamedace Ps5 setting Output - AV amplifier. 7.1 channel. Linear. Gamedac - off DTS. Thanks
on G6 to hear footsteps and best experience for warzone , surround , crystalizer , smart vol , bass wich i put ON and the valor ? all of then turn OFF ? better Stereo or 5.1 o 7.1 ?
As always, thanks for bringing up our mic! Any questions about the ModMics can be dropped here and we'll answer!
Anytime! I use them all the time so it makes sense at this level of sound quality discussion.
I’m leaning heavy on the IFI Zen dac v2. But need a mic option when online gaming with buddies. I’m on ps5. Can I run that dac with your wireless mic? Is it just a plug and play setup on the USB ports of the ps5?
Which of these have a good side talk option for the boom mic? It's important I don't shout late at night. Also is there a good option with q factor parametric EQ?
@@davebrunskill600 Because the ModMic doesn't interface with the headphones, sidetone (or side talk as you said) is not possible. Sorry! :)
@@AntlionAudio AHH so it's not possible to use a dac to mix sidetone? I thought some done this I may need to get combined then, thanks
I was today years old when I learnt about the existence of DACs. I only have an older surround sound system that doesn't support 4k, and I really want to utilise the PS5's 4k capabilities. So this will solve that issue. HDMI directly into my 4k monitor and the sound running through the DAC and into my surround sound system. Thank you!
An audio noob here. I have the B&O Beoplay Portal (the updated Playstation version). To my understanding the audio quality it offers on PS5 is excellent, and I can agree to that with my experience with it. Sounds great. I never play with friends online, as I play exclusively only single player games or with friends in the same room on my PS5, so I never use a mic with it.
Q: Why would I spend more money on a DAC? Would it actually make any real difference? Or is this purely an audiophile thing, where the effort and cost is more important than an actual difference in sound quality? I feel there is a strong bias towards the mentality of "I spend $700 so it's obviously better sound quality", even though almost no other human can hear, feel or measure the difference. I've had these moments with some of my audiophile friends, where they play me samples and try to convince me that the difference in sound quality is massive, and I can't tell any difference in any of it. Is it just me, or is it the "sunk cost fallacy" or something? I do understand that there are major sound quality differences in many products, but at what point does it really matter anymore? Spending hundreds of dollars for 4% better sound quality (how you could measure that is beyond me) doesn't seem smart to me.
I can't testify to the specifics of your ask. But if you can't tell the difference between samples your audiophile friends compare, that's 100% okay and I wouldn't sweat it. As an audio engineer, I try to milk everything for what it's worth, but I understand that most folks won't notice night & day differences to us... If you're satisfied with the sound you got. that's all that matters.
If I were you, I would be happy if I could not tell the difference at all. Just take all of this as an additional. Sometimes I felt that it is curse if you can nitpick.
For some explanations tho, external DACs do provide cleaner audio output (less hiss sound, etc). Does it alter the characteristics of sound (more bass, more treble, etc) massively? Nope. The other thing with this dacs & amps, is the amp section. The question is do you need the amp? Higher impedance & lower sensitivity of headphones generally need better / more powerful amps to drive them (a.k.a sounds louder).
As the other guy said, dont sweat it. If you have a chance to demo it, try it first. If you dont hear any difference, why bother. Better for you wallet I guess 😁
In case you’re wondering, the dualsense edge has a better microphone amplifier than the standard dualsense.
I tested this with my iem headphones
How big of a difference? In also use IEMs. Worth the controller upgrade?
@@algol6ful not worth it if you’re not playing competitively. Don’t waste your money
If you’re playing competitively, it’s worth it… especially FPS
@@willy7968 Thanks. Just casual on the PS5. Save the competitive for the PC.
A really comprehensive and informative review. Thank you so very much for all this great information, your time, and effort sharing this with us all. Much appreciated, Sir.
Jds labs element III also works with ps5. U can use optical cable connected to gaming tv or switch between UAC1 or UAC2 in element 3 menu & use included usb cable. Using HD800 s with antlion mod mic wireless on ps5.
You can also download the new firmware so that you can EQ on the device itself so you can have access to EQ on PS5 (you might want to EQ down the 6K region for the HD 800 S)
Fire 🔥 Best on the tune period
The ifi hip dac works as well. Nice and loud and is also portable double usage .
This video is the Schiit!! Awesome work as always!!
The joke will never get old :)
“Now hopefully I don’t make your Hifi audio shopping picks any harder” are you kidding me bro?? You make me want to buy everything you put your stamp of approval on! 😂 your review is the reason I bought my Penrose and holy shit my guy I’ve ever looked at anything under $300 ever since lol. Love ya man love your content you fucking rock.
Fantastic video! You’re editing has grown a lot and Improved over time 😊.
I ordered the Hel2 for the premium audio output and plan to use it with PS5's 3D Audio. However, I still have my G6 which I plan to continue to use for older consoles or games that don't have their own form of directional audio, using the G6 to interpret 5.1 for headphones.
If the G6's optical ouput retains the 5.1 processing and outputs it as 2.0 for other devices, I'll likely plug that into the optical input of the Hel2 and leave my headphones plugged into the Hel2 at all times.
That may seem overkill to many, but I really like Hel2's form factor and simple controls. I also expect it will drive my headphones better than G6. I'll just set my G6 once to the settings I enjoy most then leave it. It is a hassle to have to keep plugging it back into a PC to toggle virtual 5.1 and direct stereo. I've developed a preference to use PS5's 3D Audio when its available.
I've found that PS5's 3D Audio is significantly more accurate to judge the location of a sound in a game than you get from virtual 5.1, at least in the case of Resident Evil 4 remake.
I'd be interested to know people's thoughts on PS5's 3D audio vs virtual 5.1. Or even other forms of directional audio for headphones. Does anyone else favor a game's indigenous directional audio over virtual 5.1 when its available?
Any update with the G6+hel2 combo? Does it still retains it 5.1 while connected with the hel2?
@@StayPeace69 The G6 or GC7 can be used to take in 5.1 audio over optical and provide virtual 5.1 to other 2.0 devices. You'd set the G6/GC7 to apply headphone virtualization to its line out and setting the out as stereo audio mix. So this combo can be used to keep that virtualization of 5.1 surround while benefiting from the superior headphone driver of the Hel+.
However, I advise to ONLY run that setup if and only if the game or system does NOT have its own option for binaural audio, 3D Audio, or Dolby ATMOS for headphones (among other forms of directional audio). While having 5.1 surround sound as an option. AND you also have really high end headphones with high impedance (ie 150 ohms or more). (G6/GC7 can drive 300 ohms, but not as good as Hel+ can).
In short combining G6/GC7 with Hel+ is a pretty niche solution that only benefit very specific scenarios, primarily for 6th and 7th generation consoles. It would not benefit modern consoles (ie PS5/Series X) or PC gaming. And will not benefit games that only have stereo to begin with. For all the current gen and stereo options, only use the Hel+ by itself for high end headphones, then have the game or system use its own form of 3D audio.
I would only get one or the other.
Side note: Since my previous comment, I've switched from G6 to GC7 so I can access the settings without unplugging it from USB power and into another system to change it. GC7 will let you alter settings using a mobile app which is more conveniant so you can leave it plugged in whever you want.
The other note, is when I odered the Hel, they had just swapped to the Hel+ revision and that is what I received. Which made a number of noteworthy improvements over the previouse Hel2 series.
I can’t seem to get audio from hel DAC ? How do I connect this via usb ?
@@rajendrabiswas Sorry for such a late reply. I realized my notifications have been off.
The Hel+ has two USBs. One is strictly for power. The other is for audio over USB. You'll have to select it as your audio option in the system and toggle the switch between optical & USB inputs.
Also since my last comment, I pulled all G6 and GC7 from my setup. I only use the Hel+ by itself. Then set the game audio to stereo or headphone mode. Or turn on a binaural audio / 3D audio option on when available. Cuts out all the headache and still sounds really good.
Same games' audio performs better this way too.
@ I hope I am
Plugging in the ps5 usb also in the correct slot ? For the hel DAC I am
Preety sure i am putting the usb in correct slot . I will keep trying
Dude what a great video!!!! I really learned alot, about to get some new cans now with the wireles mic!!! 👍👍👍
Awesome, thanks! So glad it helped
Subbed! What an excellent video and it was exactly what i was looking for. Thank you
Thanks for keeping console on your radar!
Damm, thanks so much Boss man!!! You are the man!!!
Great video! I appreciate all the work you put in.
End game cheat code is sound blasterx g6 connected to chord mojo 2 through the optical. Basically only using the g6 dsp .You can then use mojo as your main amp/dac or upgrade to a better amp in the future. Extra bonus you can bring the mojo with you on the go to listen to music or game on almost any device.
Sorry, what? Why do I need 2 Dacs? And what do you mean upgrade to a better dac in the future? Doesn’t the mojo cost 500€?
I've been using the G6 for over 2 years now and it still sounds fantastic. Just picked up the Schiit HEL 2E and loving it so far, It's definitely a perfect match for the VZR Model One.
Have you tried the VZR model one with the G6? If so how does it compare against schiit hel2e?
@@user-im7to5dj6s Yup, I have. That's been my main DAC with VZR. Both are great DACS, but if I had to choose one I think I like the Schiit Hel2e a bit more. I like the more balanced sound from it. The G6 has a bit more bass by default, I love the build quality on the Hel2e, It feels like a premium product.
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But does Schiit Hell2e have EQ settings similar to the G6's?
@@NintenPizzano eq settings on the schiit hel2e
Which surround sound software do you use with the VZR Model one and do you use any EQs?
Love to see the channel growth! 🎉
Very very useful. Thanks bro 🙏🏻❤️
Useful guide and interesting to watch, thank you. The biggest issue with PS5 isn't the UAC 1.0/1.1 limitation it's the '50%' power/volume drop (I believe this measures around -15.75db). This is why any compatible DAC/AMP will get much louder on PC or Switch as they aren't limited. My G6 with high impedance headphones; i.e. DT 770 Pro (250 ohms) has to be run at much higher volume & high gain with the PS5 and just sounds flat in comparison to using with PC or anything over optical.
I know the Qudelix 5K is a great option for PS5 because it specifically has the 'Host Volume Override' feature for PS5. Also the Shiit Hel 2 & JDS Atom stack in UAC 1.0 mode might be avoiding the 50% issue. Although if they get louder on PC and I've read that in places then they also suffer.
I wish Sony would support 3D audio for headphones over HDMI in the same way Microsoft do as that would open up other options.
Whilst PS5 and Series consoles have great support for 3D audio this gen, the fact that neither fully support UAC 1/2 standards, or have any direct optical connection (an open standard used by most headphone DAC/AMPs) is the biggest fumble with either machine this generation imho. Although I own a G6 and other DAC/AMPs with PS5, I've just settled on PC38X or H6Pro via the controller as it's the easiest solution.
Wouldn‘t you get a better sound quality when you would use a gsx 300 in addition? Maybe not as loud but the sound quality schould be improved or am i wrong ?
@@jonasalbrecht6535 I don't think so. In that the power/vol output issue from the PS5 (same as the PS4 was) will still be there. That also before you factor in issue of microphone input on DAC/AMPs that have them being rubbish too - you'll often read mic input sounding worse than the DualSense, for example. The best audio quality will be over optical (but you lose Tempest 3D audio) or use a PCM2704 USB to Toslink adapter but this still measures as a -11db output (there are numerous video and reddit posts that talk about this).
@@jonasalbrecht6535 I have the gsx for ps5. It’s just wayyyyyy to quiet to really even be usable even with the pc38x which is crazy easy to drive . Maybe it would be alright with some iems or something.
what should i get just to fix low volume with the TYGR 300 R what do you recommend. Nothing with "mic" just to fix the low volume..(low audio)
@@sheepnoblepro1370 How are you currently connecting the TYGRs to the PS5 - through the DualSense controller?
Most DAC/AMPs are going to 'fix' the low volume, it's just they will sound much quieter on PS5 vs PC or Switch - because of the -15.75db or 50% problem. So at worst the dynamic range is impacted as you have to run more amplification to raise the volume. As mentioned above the Qudelix 5K has a 'host volume override' toggle in its companion mobile app to avoid the issue. I'm not 100% sure if any other DAC/AMPs have this feature (maybe the Hel2 & JDS Atom) but most won't.
Love your channel! You've got a lot of the same interested and tastes that I do so the content is always perfect!
I'd love to see a PC setup where you doing an amp/dac combo and a dedicated mic. I've been trying to figure out good combinations that will work with streaming but still have game chat with my party and a no-latency sidetone.
Sounds good! I'll be working on more content pieces like this down the road once I get more caught up on other product reviews. Thanks for supporting the channel!
Do Any of these Offer Sidetone? @@GadgetryTech
This review was so much of a help. I've been having the Astro Mix-amp since 2019 and it sounds great to me because I made it wireless with the Wavzs KT-1 with 6 drivers per ear and believe me they sound awesome. But now I bought the VZR One headsets and I was surprised to see them in your video. Now I want the Schiit Hel 2 for it. I thank you a lot for this review and found what I was looking for because I feel like the Astro Mix-amp was not enough for the VZR One headphone.
Hey man, I recently bought a Simgot EW200 IEMs as my primary source of earphones. I also got a Venture electronics Abigail pro dongle DAC.
The issue I'm having is that this combo works great with PC, but it doesn't work with ps5! It doesn't detect the dac itself.
Please mention some DACs that go well with this IEM. THANK YOU!
Ay man I been looking into this for a while I appreciate u making this
I'm using the Emotiva Big Ego plus running to a Topping a30 Pro. You need to set the Big Ego to UAC1 mode every time you turn the PS 5 into rest mode but it's a small price to pay for being able to use whichever amp you want.
Great Vid as always thanks Joe🤙
Oh, Schiit! Fantastic video.
Wild how my Soundblaster X7 with sparkos op amps and linear power supply still beats all these options , by far! Creative needs to make a x7 successor finally
Would be great to see this kind of video, but for HDMI audio extractor on the Ps5
This is the most professional video i have watched, you deserve more visibility! i have a question: does exist a device that simply merge different audio sources? i desire to have something for listening to PS5, PC and smartphone all together in my headphones
I would like to see an up-to-date Xbox series X audio guide. Especially with newer headsets like the hyper X cloud 3 and EQ settings on Dolby Atmos for the hyper x
Please look into the Beyerdynamic Headzone Game DAC..
Please make a video best headsets for ps5 really appreciate it
I got you! I have a big video coming out in a week or two. Once that drops, the best of video will follow
@@GadgetryTech bro thank you so much i swear u deserve more views and subs than this, i hope that you become the go to youtuber for tech reviews thx for being honest about reviews
Another banger vid! I use the iFi Zen Dac v2 / Zen CAN stack on mine, using my Sundara HP all connected with balanced cables.. absolutely love them. I also have them on a USB switch to connect to my Mac mini for music. Occasionally will power on the Arctis 7p but they’re not as comfortable (pad depth too short for ears). Side note - originally tried a Topping Dac, before I researched the UAC1, Topping does not support UAC1.
I use the Qudelix 5k portable DAC/Amp - works great with the PS5 via USB, with a decent mic input and then I can take on the road and use as a Bluetooth DAC/Amp with my phone/tablet :)
Thanks brotha for the deep dive! What pairing would you say works best for the H6Pro closed and the Pc38x open on ps5?
Explained better than a teacher thank you
I have a few of Creative's dacs. What I find annoying about the G6 (probably Sony's fault) is that every time you boot up, the volume is always at "50%" in usb mode. Now, on the ones without the volume knob, that's as far as it goes. If you use an audio extractor, you lose the ability to use a mic with the G6. The only one I have that works as intended is the H7 Tournament Edition headset.
So i've got a question, I use the Philips Fidelio X2HR with the Vmoda BoomPro mic plugged in the the headset, this is then plugged into the PS5's Duel Sense controller, i'm often told there is some echo sound coming from the mic when i speak in party chat. Would any of these Dac solutions solve these issues. Love the video.👍
This video is 🔥🔥.
Thanks!
What would be the best budget amp for gaming and music listening, I heard the G6 is not good for music...
Great video , Can you do another video on how you would actually connect the DAC to the PS5
I rock a Schiit hel for all my powering needs. It does wonders for my VZR and has plenty of juice to blast my ATH-R70X, which is a thirsty monster. I use the mod mic wireless with that, and it's just complete.
That sounds like an amazing setup!!! So glad you enjoy it too
I have the VZR and looking to get the schiit hel2e to pair with. Is there any other cables I would need to connect it to dac? Sorry new to all this.
@@user-im7to5dj6s The Hel will come with all the cables you need. You'll just need to use the 1/4 adapter (big gold plug thingy) that came with your VZR. I think one even comes with the Hel. Other than that, you're set!
Thanks for response 👍
This video just convinced me to buy another ant lion mic. I’ve had 2 for the past 15 years that just broke (likely caused by electric static shock).
I need a mic for the GameDac gen 2 for Xbox.
The 560s is a great gaming headphone. I use it for casual gaming. I use a SCHIIT SYN SURROUND DAC/PREAMP/HEADPHONE AMP and it's great for Gaming and Movies. I have it connected to a Burson Soloist amp for when gaming with Headphones and to Monitor Speakers for movies. The Surround Sound is definitely more immersive
Wow that's an insane setup! I'm hoping to get some new Burson stuff soon. I hear the Soloist is amazing.
@@GadgetryTech I bought the Schiit SYN kinda just wanting to try something different and it surprised me. It works cool through the Burson Amp with headphones but I'd imagine it would be mind blowing for someone with some quality Surround Sound Speakers. You should reach out to Burson and Schiit to send you some stuff. You're defintltey as worthy as any other Audio Gear Reviewer getting those products imo
The ifi uno I think might be a better option then the zen air now
Thanks for bringing up a good dac for the VZR headphones. I got those headphones after watching one of your videos and was wondering what the best DAC for them would be! Nice prius joke btw 😅.
I got great deal on a used Mayflower ArcMk2 it works great on PS5 with hard to drive headphones HiFiMan he400se and mic in put for the Antlion Modmic uni
Is the Schiit Hel+ a newer better version of the Hel 2e that you showcased in this video?
I cannot find the Schiit Hel 2e on their website.
I just bought the VZR Model one, would you still recommend the Schiit Hel as your go to for the VZR?
Do the VZR Model ones even need a dac/amp?
Do any of these support sidetone/ mic monitoring?
Do u recommend turning off the 3d audio of ps5 when using non " gaming headsets and a dac / amp ?
Hey bro good review question you think the dual sense edge controller is enough to drive the new arete iems on the ps5
Thank you for the input, it really helped me understanding some details. Sadly there was no DAC that could connect to PS5 and PC at the same time and switch between them easily, right (except the X5, which is probably a bit too expensive for my needs)? Do you know if there is a DAC that can achieve this and also has an optical toslink output for my Sonos Ray? Or maybe you even know how I can achieve this with my existing Soundblaster GC7 and an audio extractor (toslink, HDMI and orange 3,5mm jack). In any case, thank you very much, really appreciate this video.
I love the content also I ran through all of these but the G6 and what I my endgame turned out to be the Topping DX3 Pro Plus. It's that neutral warm gets me every time.
Yeah it's an amazing DAC! I could have included more but this video already hit over 30 minutes so I had to start being more selective. The DX3 Pro Plus was the closest one to making the list though. Great callout!
@@GadgetryTech I just purchased Hook X trying to find my endgame FPS set up.
@@GadgetryTech
Does the G6 provide just as good sound quality as the HEL 2e?
Great informative video.. I’m having an issue connecting my 800s & fio k7 to ps5…please help!
Great video! Thank you for info. I’m so glad I love the Audeze Maxwells and will be using them until the end of my days. Or until the Maxwells 2 come out. Lmao
Lol for sure
Any advice on how-to get the g6 to work in direct mode please, I've plugged in the optical from the tv to the g6 but no joy
Great video, I was wondering if there will be a 2024 video for this topic?
@GadgetryTech what are your thoughts on the soundblaster x4 instead of the x6? Mainly because you can use a mobile app to EQ instead of having to use PC. For PS5 with a Drop Epos p38x
I missed where you talked about why you are using the Edge controller? Timestamp?
Hello GadgetryTech!
Please make a video of how to connect the g6 dac with the splitter for the ps5! I find it extremely frustrating to learn how to do it correctly😪
I have three options connecting my ps5 to amplifier running a 2.0 setup. First option is to use a usb to optical adapter to smp. Second option is, to use usb-c to usb-b to amp. Third option is run optical or of tv to amp. Which do you think is the most efficient/give me better sound production? All comments appreciated.
What makes more sense to me is if I could easily use any of this between both my PC and console easily, so DACs with multiple inputs that are easy to switch and/or music mixers.
Personally, I wouldn't spend a lot on audio gear on a $500 PS5 but that's just me.
I use a Fiio (not fossi) k5pro with a usb to spidif adapter. Works well.
I use the Atom DAC+ that goes into a Topping A30 to drive Mk3 Argons. You just have to make sure you get the correct (white) usb cable from JDS labs to get usb audio working. Would be nice if the xbox series worked with the same setup
I currently use the Epos PC38x. In this video you mentioned it comes down to the type of headset others use. So do you think it is necessary to buy a dac for this headset?
What would be the best gaming dac for 6xx hd ?
Hey I got Creative G6 on my PC, and i wonder what is the best way to play video games on windows 10. Should i use dolby atmos for headphones ? Use G6 in direct mode - stereo ? Use 7.1 gaming setting ? I am really confused.
Man I wish this was around when PS5 came out. I ended up with a Mayflower Arc mk2 with PC38x. It seems like a lot of these DACs re-added UAC1 since I feel like it was between the Soundblaster, Atom and Mayflower when I bought mine. In hindsight the PS5 controller drives the PC38x just fine and that Mayflower sits in a drawer now.
I'm debating using some headphones with my PS5, but since I only play single-player games and don't ever game online (and so never use the chat feature), I've been kind of hesitant to spring for a dedicated "gaming" headset. I have a pair of Sony MDR1 AM2 headphones that I really like, and I'm thinking they should work fine with just the PS5 controller, since they don't need much power to drive. I haven't yet had a chance to test them out (not a lot of gaming time nowadays), but based on the specs do you think I'd benefit from getting a separate DAC, like the iFi Zen Air you mention here?
Any thought on mayflower arc mk2 ?
Hi, is it posisble to use a dragonfly cobalt on the ps5?
Having used Astro A40 mix-amp since 2019, I would like to upgrade my sound for mainly FPS gaming (MW & WZ). You kind of hinted at the G6 for all the features including EQ support. What headset would you recommend for imaging and soundstage to pinpoint footsteps?
h6 pro is basically audio wallhack for fps out of the box, pair it with amp and you'll get more.
I use a Turtle Beach T.A.C which works but want better. I use the EPOS H6 Pro and GSX300. What would be better for me.
For PS5, I think you should look at the Creative G6 or Creative X4, both are big upgrades.
@@GadgetryTechhey Joe, when using the X4, does features like smart volume apply to PS5 ? Thanks, and have a good day.
Can you suggest a good amp/dac to drive the HD 6xx or Hd 660s2?
Thanks @GadgetryTech, read on... We NEED this clarified - NOBODY else will ever answer this online:
"Tempest 3D audio works with all of these DACs" - DAC Feature: DAC connects to HDMI Audio Extractor via Optical - So is Tempest 3D NOT lost when using HDMI Audio Extractor -> Optical?
The BIG question:
Is 3D positioning of FPSfootstep greatly enhanced by having PS5 -> [HDMI] -> Audio Extractor -> [Optical] -> DAC?? I.e., Is PS5's Audio Output set to "AV Receiver" and "5.1" / "7.1" channels better than 2 channel USB connection to DAC?
Watching your video made me wonder.
Wait isn’t scout mode for the g6 only works on pc ?
What i know about the G6, beacuse i tryed with my ps5 for 2 months, is that it doesn't work Direct mode and EQ on Ps5, but it works just on PC. So i would like to know how he did let work the EQ on PS5... i am sure i did nothing wrong.
Thank You
Dose anyone know where I can find a Schiit Hel 2 they don’t sell them anymore…😢
Amazing information. I am side-eyeing that VZR Model One still however, they are still not available in Europe and seems like the guys at the company went radio silent. Absolutely bummed out.
Hey Joe. Have you tested the PS5 output settings with DACs via optical in? My LG C2 is connected via Optical to my Fiio K5 Pro. As you know, with this setup, the PS5 only considers a TV or AV amp as devices. The AV option allows for both stereo and surround configurations, with the possibility of adjusting speaker locations.
I've been trying to test this to see which option provides the most proper stereo mix and imaging with headphones. I'm still not sure what I prefer. Did you look into this?
How much difference does balanced audio make in gaming.
None , unless you are gaming with hard to drive headphones and need the extra power. Ex. 300ohm headphones and such
@@edwardmenendez I am using DT770 pro , I am using it with portable DAC on my mobile phone, I modded the headphone to use detachable balanced cable because my DAC has a 4.4 mm balanced jack. I am clearly able to hear the bass improvement, the sound stage has extended, overall. Listing experience has improved . But the problem is my usb DAC doesn't work with Playstation. I want to buy a DAC that works with Playstation 5.
is there is an Audio improvement going from the schiit fulla to the schiit hel? im deciding between the two.
Does all of these are compatible with PS4? Because of the UAC 1/2 thing i got lost a little.
Im interested in the Fosi and in the ifi but the ifi uno, little less expensive but a lot smaller.
Thank you for your videos, it has been really helpful because a lot of people doesnt focus on consoles.
Ps4 😂
still loving the creative x5 👍 guess if I want a balanced headphone output with a mic input it is still the only option 😅
For a gaming setup, yup! Otherwise you can always go Topping, Burson, or higher end iFI.
Which one of these is best if I'm using a wireless headset?
Can the HEL2e get as loud as the Soundblasterx G6, when using High gain for both for higher impendance head phones like the DT770's?
Are the sound blaster g6’s good with h560s? Looking to make this purchase very soon? :)
Just get a pro controller like nacon, razer, victrix and tweak with the eq settings from there
pretty informative video mate!! i just wanna ask your opinion if the fosi k5 pro is enough to give some juice to most iems for ps5? or by just plugging it straight to the controller is enough..hope to have your feedback regarding this..Thanks heaps in advance!!
Hi. Great video!
So, I am new to Custom Audio/Mic setups... I have a PS5 and the Kingston HyperX Cloud Flight (maybe cloud flight 2's) that I use wirelessly.
They're ok, but i want to get into something better quality as my current setup sounds lackluster (empty: no bass, etc.)
What would you recommend? I want to keep the cost down... Do you think the SoundBlaster G6 + my Kingston HyperX Cloud Flight (possible 2's) would give me a better sound profile? or should I look into getting new headphones as well?
Looking forward to your response.
I was actually looking into the Fosi K5 pro so im glad this one was included in your video. Do you know which gaming microphones are good plugging in directly to ps5? I bought the Fifine AM8 but my friends tell me they hear static while i talk. I did some research and reviews on the Fifine AM8 and it sounds good on when i hear people use it. Not sure why my friends hear a bit of static when i use it on my ps5
I lean towards Antlion mod mic systems. There are three versions to choose from, but they are hands down some of the best you can get. antlionaudio.com/
Hi, do you happen to have experience on SS gamedac gen 1 PS5 setting ? My current setup
pS5 hdmi > hdmi optical extractor > gamedace
Ps5 setting
Output - AV amplifier. 7.1 channel. Linear.
Gamedac - off DTS.
Thanks
My PS5 stopped recognizing my Schit Hel 2e for some reason. I was rocking the Meze 109 Pro with it, but I can't anymore since no sound comes through.
Does these dac works with wireless headsets on the PS5
Where is the part where you say the dualsense edge dac is more powerful? Did you delete that part?
on G6 to hear footsteps and best experience for warzone , surround , crystalizer , smart vol , bass wich i put ON and the valor ? all of then turn OFF ? better Stereo or 5.1 o 7.1 ?
I have the Schiit Hel 1. Is there something I can do to make it work with my PS5?
Hey bro, what about zen dac v2? It is better opsions than się dac? I się AKG k702 62 Ohm. Thx and goodluck