It’s an incredible first step, glad to see RUclipsrs like ThioJoe work on the scam bot problem. Kinda weird how Google isn’t doing it themselves though.
@@simtelefon I can't believe how many people fell for the "Changing the oil in your PC" video. Literally can't believe how many people thought their PC's had literal oil inside of them.
@@simtelefon It also didn't help the fact that people were bullying because they thought he stole Jacksfilm's YIAY format when he was doing those "Reading your comments" videos first, before Jack came out wit his first Jackask episode.
The accusation of censorship is really annoying because we can't even restore the comments as creators, they just get blipped out of existence... YT is a total garbage pile these days
hate it when i'm writing a big tech help comment and it's gone. repost without any possibly questionable words, totally rephrased, still gone. don't even feel the desire anymore. comments aren't for discussion at this point, just for jokes
Well yeah of course people facing a problem first hand are able to develop a way to solve the problem better than a corporation who doesn't face the problem first hand
@@jungervin8765 hurt feelings are louder than victims of scam after all! Mostly because its so easy (seemingly easier than ever) to have your feelings hurt nowadays.
Pro tip for Linus: You don't have to create multiple accounts to get past the api call limit: All you have to do is to create more API keys to get more API calls for your main account.
Damn this really irks me because I really believe companies are going in this direction whenever they can. They just push the problem to the customer and reap the profits.
Is that before or after noticing increasing numbers of folk using scripts like ThioJoe's then blocking their ability to work properly because they' decide they should be detected as bots or something? Instead of them just using all the resources and computing power they have themselves to do the job properly.
This sounds so out of whack and stupid that google might actually do it. Google likes doing out of the ordinary stuff no platform user will benefit from after all.
@@VivekYadav-ds8oz thats the point. I watched his videos when I was technically illiterate (not illiterate. Just in tech). Even if I knew he doesnt post satire anymore, child me still says no risk taking with him
It's definitely a "wouldn't" on RUclips/Google's side. They have hundreds of developers with tens of years of experience on all the RUclips coding environment and they could pull something like this as optimized as possible in a snap of fingers
100% - there's got to be something that benefits THEM from the spam. Maybe "engagement" metrics? Who knows, but they definitely won't do it properly. But they DO shadow-ban your comments at random, which always sucks...
Now that Jacksepticeye and Cr1tikal have done videos about this huge problem, we should share this video with as many people as possible and let them know that the community already has a solution
This is amazing! I am really happy big creators are getting involved in fighting scams. I can't believe RUclips doesn't do more, removing the Dislike button was the single dumbest thing they could have done, and quite frankly, I don't understand why disliking comments does nothing as well.
My guess would be that any kind of engagement (be it positive or negative) means more klicks, more ad revenue and thus more money for RUclips. They would be stupid to stop spammers, if it reduced their own income...
@Erik Müller I don’t think so since they could’ve just removed them for that video specifically. Plus I doubt RUclips cares that it’s once a year video gets disliked.
As you went through it explaining, I already really liked how through this whole thing was as a moderation tool. But when you got around to the ability to scan foreign content and mass-report spam my jaw hit the floor at hyperlight speed. That's such an incredibly obvious, but just as easy to overlook inclusion into this kind of app that really elevates it from a "neat little community tool" (the type that large platfrom's APIs are usually spedifically made for), into a genuine weapon to actually fight the problem. Awesome to see that Thio thought that one step further and ended up creating such a powerful and versatile tool.
RUclips is too busy pandering to corporate interests and fine tuning their algorithms for them. One novice programmer was able to fix the problem and this is proof enough for me that RUclips doesn't care.
Ironic when u realize all top comments here are RUclips verify tag abusers. their comments get pushed to the top and they usally post good-willed comments just to get subs from kids. Until RUclips doesn't remove vertiy tag (automatically push their comments tot he top no matter what they post) the RUclips will stay broken. 509% of channels on youtube are boosted. 50% of good willed comments on youtube ar either bots or sub booster. we turned content creation into business.
@@Dualities for the most part I agree, but a lot of people on the platform want to get that internet recognition high, and proceed to seek out checkmark commenters with the intent to be the first to reply.
I suspect YT won't, I think the spam comments actually artificially boost average engagement on the platform, and thus make it look more appealing to advertisers.
I think their sorting also pushes those comments down so that most users won't see them and if most users don't see them it's not an issue for them I guess
@@zer0legend109 yeah but I don't post pretenitius caring or popular comments and abuse verified tag so that my comments get pushed to the top no matter what I comment
As a fellow programmer, I'm happy to see all these utilities done by just one person or a small team coming up and ending up being even better than what corporations can do.
Might as well remove the thumbs up button, sub counter and views too. This will help the smaller creators feel like they are all the same. Everyone will be the same. There will be no deviation from doing what we tell you to do.
I would love more types of videos like this: Interesting, open source, but still relevant to lots of people (as opposed to something so niche that people won't care to watch). Right now when building computer's is just impossible for a lot of people, this type of content is very cool.
It could also help generally to discover useful tools that went under the radar. There surely are a lot of helpful tools, that are really helpful, but simply did not have people making them publicly known.
Ironic when u realize all top comments here are RUclips verify tag abusers. their comments get pushed to the top and they usally post good-willed comments just to get subs from kids. Until RUclips doesn't remove vertiy tag (automatically push their comments tot he top no matter what they post) the RUclips will stay broken. 509% of channels on youtube are boosted. 50% of good willed comments on youtube ar either bots or sub booster. we turned content creation into business.
@@Dualities Ironic when you realize that the comment you posted is beneath a non verified Channel. Yet otherwise still fits your description (this comment gets pushed to the top and is good willed) " Until RUclips doesn't remove vertiy tag [...] the RUclips will stay broken" The verify Tag is important, though. Otherwise, it would be even harder to distinguish genuine comments from bots. Yes, parts about it are broken, but the system itself is beneficial. "509% of channels on youtube are boosted" What is boosted? If all channels are boosted anyway, is that a problem? "we turned content creation into business" Yeah? Content creation has been a business for 2500+ years. (First it was engravings, Statues, Paintings, now it has become Games, Books, Movies and much more) What is your point?
Bravo Linus for A) trying to share a very needed tool, B) for recognizing a fellow member of the community who is trying to do something positive RUclips won't, and C) I would just love to see more videos like this, about people taking the reins and promoting solutions to problems, or just generally sharing your massive market with other creators who do things worth talking about.
I'm leaning toward "won't" because this problem is stupidly simple for the type of AI that Google regularly employs. And if you've ever had an experience with Google moderation before, you probably know that they're worse than awful. I once reported a fake SpaceX channel full of nothing but Muslim videos to pad it out and a few Bitcoin scam videos to sucker users. The moderators didn't see anything wrong with the channel and told me I was wrong to report it! Last time I tried to be helpful....
@@zhongxina6621 I agree with the first user who replied to you that this is not the point. But I also checked the contribution stats on the GitHub repository. Thio has made 28k additions to the repo, while the next biggest contributor has made 108. Where did you get this statement from?
I really like how ThioJoe made the script very friendly and clear with the colorings on the text. I hope that more scripts out there do more like this. I'm looking at you Linux.
Many things on Linux are "less friendly" because one of the major things about Linux that its users love it the ability to chain programs together and use them in scripts. So many programs try to find a happy middle ground between human understable and parsable via script or other programs. However, many programs actually have separate "interactive" modes, or will behave differently depending on whether or not its output is being sent somewhere else for further processing, so yes, Linux programs have fancy colors and stuff too. And for the standard programs that don't, most people don't care. But that's the beauty of Linux and open source. If you do care, replace those programs with ones that behave more to your preference. For instance, the default cat program doesn't have fancy colors, but there's alternatives that do. And the current cat program has grown some new features over the years that some users consider "bloat", and there's simplier versions to suit those people's preferences. Whatever you want, someone's made it. And if you don't want to take the time to configure it yourself, someone else wrote a set of automated config scripts. Wanna take the plunge and do it manually? This guy wrote a guide on his blog.
Every time a spammer leaves a message, RUclips gets to charge advertisers a fraction of a penny for user engagement on a video with ads. That's why they can't remove spam messages.
@@desktop_pilot honestly the advertisers should be putting pressure on RUclips to do something about it because technically RUclips would be complicit in allowing fraud to occur in order to benefit them.
@@eideticex They like to use 'users' or 'accounts' rather than 'creators' most of the time, as that lets them remove tools that are Highly Useful and Widely Used by creators, on the basis that 'only a smaller percentage of users' use a feature... the sneaky part here, of course, is that everyone with an android device has a google, and thus youtube, account, and most of them (well, us, I fall into that category myself) don't Create anything on the platform!
There is many still on this comment page, the first reply to all top comments is a link with a n00dy site linked to it RUclips should detect those, but they will erase my comments talking facts about mushrooms.
@@SharatS the dude would make troll videos that would make kids do stupid shit to their computers. He eventually decided that he didn't want to do it anymore and started to release videos that had actual tech tips that were helpful.
@@3v068 that's on them lol. Every kid had to be scammed or something bad happening at some point to understand that they shouldn't trust everything (Even if you tell the kid, they'll probably forget or disobey because nothing bad happened yet). Everyone is overprotective in the 3.0 internet but if it doesn't happen now, it will later at some point.
@@3v068 absolutely true. I fell for his "double cores" troll 6 years ago. It somehow bricked my system and I needed to install a new one. At least that was the day I finally upgraded to windows 10 :) edit : The thing is, reason I fell for that is cuz I heard most cpus have hyperthreading (2x threads for each core) and uneducated me thought they needed to be "activated" somehow, cuz windows showed up my 2c/2t cpu as 1c/1t , even tho both cores worked.
@@Bored__AF lol yeah man. Times were crazy back then. I'm glad people are stepping up and honestly stopping the scamming and exposing the scummy people who do. People who think that dumb people deserve to be scammed are people that shouldn't be trusted with anything.
Hi Linus, small programming channel here, please DO NOT create an army of fake moderator accounts. This is definitely a violation of YT's ToS and could get your entire channel deleted. Doing anything to avoid the quota system is a big no-no. If you need more quota, pay for more quota.
The whole "This is so easy I'm surprised Google/RUclips/Facebook/Anyone I dunno hasn't done this yet." thing is just not surprising anymore given how little of a shit these companies give
This is a bot guys. Perfect example of what this software WON'T filter out. 😊. If you get my drift relating to paid for subs, views, likes, comments. Look at Linus's sub to view ratio for this video alone 😉.
I can already see it coming. RUclips is going to weigh the API-call reports lower so that the effectiveness is going to be reduced. Something something anti bullying....
Yep, there's a reason they've done so little so far. I have a feeling the extra comments make google more money (showing advertisers that the videos with their ads got more engagement, or that the site overall has more user activity than it really does)... You know, that stuff that looks good in a PowerPoint full of stats, which is why it's not new to cheat those stats...
RUclips hasn't prioritised removal of spam because it's not very profitable to them. They'd rather spend money on fighting ad-blockers than stop scammers who steal millions of dollars every month. This mentality of the stakeholders not giving a shit about anything but profit is going to drive humanity into the ground.
The sad reality is both are true at the same time. The bigshots who have nothing to do with the product decide for whatever reason (or lack thereof) that they won't, therefore the rank and file grunts who do the work and rely on them for a paycheck can't.
They did thi on purpose. Spam generates movement. Movement generetes movement. And even more movement. The more the better. For YT adds of course. No matter what kind of shit does this. If it moves - it pays.
There's a Smarter Every Day video about this where he (IIRC) interviews the RUclips Spam team (at least the Facebook and Twitter Spam teams). It's actually easier for channels and users to do the reporting than for youtube itself, because it sees a huge volume of comments and is extremely valuable to game. It's also unclear when comments aren't legitimate when the actual content itself is unknown. Like we know that mentioning Crypto on LTT is probably spam, but on a crypto news channel? In any case, the mass reporting (assuming we check the comments are rubbish) actually makes the spam detection easier for RUclips.
RUclips 'won't' filter spam link comments because their filter system is already jammed up filtering "hate speech" (an extremely nebulous and extremely political term) and switching it back to filtering actual spam would mean that their political enemies would "win".
Lovin' that framework laptop, huh, linus? I hope they keep growing as a company. I dream of a day where they get their hands on Wacom tech and we can build our own 2-in-1's
He is an investor, so I’m not surprised that he’s promoting it. That being said, I also think that the concept and the company are super cool, and I want to see them become mainstream.
@@Dr.Schnizzle He's an investor because he wants it to succeed. There's personal gain, and personal gain via universal gain -- aka, rising tides and whatnot. Linus is leveraging the latter.
Knowing how RUclips got rid of community captioning, which was a huge use for Deaf/Hard of Hearing folks AND creators, and most other useful community tools, my guess is on won't and wouldn't. What a cool tool!
"but we have a nice tool that does it for you" -YoUTuBe after 3 companies told them that they won't buy ads placement anymore due to some kid adding some shite captionning to a video
If people spammed bad captions put the captions up for approval by the channel first? There can be a possibility for using google translate on it to do a quick verification that the text is genuine in languages you don't understand.
As a software engineer with a lot of relevant experience in a large company, I don't think it's RUclips willingly ignoring the issue. People are bad at big numbers and many of the larger platforms are so large it's difficult to really wrap your head around the scale that you're dealing with. A minimal increase to a computational task that gets executed hundreds of thousands of times per second easily balloons into large absolute increases in required computational power. That said, I don't think that is the issue either. I believe the real issue to be one of sustainability. When you're making filtering changes that affect a massive number of people, you have to be confident that they work with very few false positives. This analysis takes time, so playing cat-and-mouse with spammers using entirely heuristical approaches like Thio's aren't great: either your reponse is too slow each time the spammers switch their tactics to get around your filters or you change things too quickly and get false positives. In the same vein I don't think it matters that the tool's logic is obfuscated to slow down spammers. Reading through filtering code is one way to get around things, but an arguably easier way is to hook up a fuzzer to it and see what gets past it programmatically. With all that said I do think it is a good tool and will help RUclips train their spam algorithms, at least while its popularity is below the critical mass for spammers to start working around it.
Think it's just like the justice system, better have a suspect walk free than an innocent person in jail. So better have a spam comment show up than a normal comment getting deleted
I am a software engineer also. Filtering spam is orders of magnitude less work than managing and serving a video library. Their spam filter for Gmail is top notch, it is extremely rare for me to see spam in my inbox, and don't get false positives often. There is no reason YT should be a haven for spammers. Their "misinformation" team is on overdrive, censoring free speech with lightning speed (despite having facts to back them up), yet spam comments run rampant. I see comments all the time, with clear, unobfusticated "whatsapp" and "only fans". They clearly do not care.
Tbh, I don't think youtube would care about removing or even temp shadowbaning as little false positives as they can, especially that linus said in video that they ban a lot of mobile comments that dont break any rules/spam. Especially with the way they treat creators that often get copyright striked for nothing ect, so why would they care if an innocent comment gets banned either. I don't know why youtube didn't implement something to stop these spammers, especially that a lot of them could have been banned extremly easily just by having w.a. number in these bubbles after their name or at the end of a comment (wont give an example since linus is running now the script but u know what I mean) and in such cases false positives would have been pretty much pure ZERO, so there is something very wrong with youtube's lack of reaction to this almost like it was intentional.
@@xeridea Also to that respect, false positives happen incredibly frequently. I've seen major RUclips channels get auto deleted by AI before someone at YT realizes their issue. So arguing the point of "We would need to maintain/test this before using it" is invalid. No-one would care at all if one or so comment gets falsely deleted. But whole channels get removed... I see no reason other than they gain something by letting spammers run free.
8:33 its actually not 10k calls per day, but 10k "units" worth of calls. That page shows a breakdown of how many units certain actions require, but basically you're getting even less calls than you expect.
Funny, TheoJoe led me to this channel years ago because of that double your internet speed video. I thought it was crap and I then watched Linus' video on how he doubled his legitimately, that caused a vicious cycle of watching everything on his channel and I have been an avid watcher ever since. That was 5-8 years ago (I don't recall exactly).
I feel like we're some sort of parent and RUclips is a child, where RUclips keeps pushing loads of buttons and screwing things up and we have to clean up their mess for them since they obviously won't do it themselves...
Google: "Dear Linus, we like to inform you that we have disabled your AdSense account for showing and using hacking tools in RUclips which breaks our term and services Repeated violation will terminate you account" Just kidding hope this doesn't happen!!
F It's been years since I saw a comment section this clean, with actual community members discussing and not bots. Nearly reminds me of the good ol' 2016 and such. Google even used to give a fickle crackle back then. Thanks linus and thiojoe. Edit: Spelling correction
This totally feels like a virus scanner from 1991, but for spam. Honestly, I'm impressed. Not with how effective it is, but the fact that the dude who made all those tech prank videos actually made something genuinely innovative and useful. I'll probably still think it's a tech prank every time I see one of his videos in my feed, but at least we got a useful tool out of him.
Ironic when u realize all top comments here are RUclips verify tag abusers. their comments get pushed to the top and they usally post good-willed comments just to get subs from kids. Until RUclips doesn't remove vertiy tag (automatically push their comments tot he top no matter what they post) the RUclips will stay broken. 509% of channels on youtube are boosted. 50% of good willed comments on youtube ar either bots or sub booster. we turned content creation into business.
I'm actually subscribed to ThioJoe and have been using and promoting this tool for a while now. I'm glad to see it being pushed by a big channel as that hopefully means that a lot more creators will start to use it as well as a lot more viewers (like myself).
The one where they copy a comment actually stumped me for a bit when I first saw it. I mean, the channel name made it obvious it was spam, but I genuinely didn't realise what was going on. And you're absolutely right, we need to stop shaming people for falling for them. It'd be much better to explain a few things or teach em how to recognise that stuff. Which is actually why I'd like to see a RUclips app feature on the site. In the app, you can tap someone's icon in the comments and see a few recent comments they've made on the channel. If they're all the same, it's pretty obvious it's spam. But I bet most people don't even know about that feature lol. This is another of those instances where you can see that RUclips can do better, they just won't. About the program though. Command line scares people. Sure, this audience will have no problem with this, but this seems like a tool that should get as much use as possible. A simple UI would go a long way.
I only recently discovered the copied comment thing myself when someone replied to one such comment and mentioned how much it annoyed them. I can’t stop noticing it since, and annoyingly those account comments are invariably getting more likes than the originals, and obviously the more engagement, the higher up the stack it gets boosted, rinse and repeat. I’m really glad there is a tool that allows creators and even supporters the ability to do something about it.
@@OliB150 Now that you mention it, they absolutely did have more likes. That's depressing. But yeah, tools like this are amazing. I really want to see this trend continue. I want to see the community fix RUclips lol
Challenge: Get a server, any server, and make a deal with ThioJoe to make you a live-watchdog version of the code. Let it run 24/7/31 on your channel, and see how much it could clear up. The results would be hella interesting.
It's incredibly amazing seeing that this actually works, with my own eyes, in this comment section. I have never seen any comment section so clean (Even back in the day void of bots) What Joe has created is not only the most powerful bot remover, but perhaps the most powerful moderation tool ever. Huge props, especially since one guy was able to create something that a multi-billion dollar platform couldn't do in their dreams.
I respect the work and think behind the tool but those company have big guy with enormous ressources, they have build numerous systems way more complexe and advanced than the tool here, they would be able to do this and surely to improve it, they already have tools for their video and audio, and for a lot of others Google products, so comment in text ate easy peasy for them. There reason at why they don't give a damn is elsewhere
You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become the hero. Well done, Thio. I'm seeing now that others wrote similar comments and had similar thoughts, so I'll add the following: I've heard a lot of people bless private enterprises over public services, but I've yet to see a single person outmatch them the way Thio basically outmatched a multibillion dollar corporation... it's at both awe-inspiring but also really depressing.
Holy sh*t finally! I've been waiting way too long until someone actually made a video about it. Thank you Linus for bringing this up and showing this to everyone being blind by these spam accounts. Justice will prevail against these horrible spam bots.
The Api Quota limit is tied to the application rather than per user. So the "army" idea I think won't work as well as you may think. I may have a bit of experience here xD.
NGL, I never even considered taking ThioJoe seriously after his satirical tech videos. This whole time, I would just ignore his videos because I thought they wouldn't be serious.
What a hell of a character arc! I remember people blasting him when ElectroBoom did a video that had one of ThioJoes video. Even if it is a joke, the fact that Joe did a complete 180 and used his infamous power for good, is something to be greatly respected. Well done Joe and I hope your success continues!
It's insane that RUclips doesn't do this! They literally hold auctions for what add you're going to see in a few millisecond, and you're telling be they can't run some basic heuristic checks (not to mention much more advanced text recognition) for comments.
This is one of the reasons why I love LTT and have stuck with the channel for 7 years. Linus constantly looks for tools and methods to help consumers, users in the tech world when most go silent. This is valuable content.
Even if the report functionality in this project can be dangerous, it sounds like doing an api call like this was already relatively easy to create, so a malicious actor could have already made something like this with a bot army to mass report unsuspecting people. So with the problem already existing I think it is better that we have a tool ourselves to be able to more easily report this bot/spam mess and hope that reports by our non spamy non bot accounts hold more weight then those of the bots and spammers.
Sounds like an easy way to get your own account banned since all reports are linked to your account when made. In the end it shouldn't result in anything that can be abused.
This is quite a great idea, a problem that I can see with it however is that the report feature can be easily be abused and as Linus mentioned it's easy to bypass the api limits by simply using multiple alts (according to TheOutcastVirus it's also possible to do so by creating multiple api keys) such that it becomes a matter of numbers in the reports of good/bad comments, which has the potential to effectively render the report useless.
At this point, we only need RUclips for the hosting and delivery. Everything else we do better. The community has to fix their comment systems, the video player, the ads, the dislike button, the app, the notifications, the channel moderation. Everything.
Technically, making multiple accounts to get around the API quota limit is against TOS. You should REALLY just request more API quota unless you want to risk getting banned. I was able to get more API quota for one of my projects pretty easily.
@@batt3ryac1d not really a bug, but yes a trap for new users. I saw lots of *DE* items in the remove list and knew he was gonna nuke his desktop environment before he hit enter. Anyways, the fix to make it safer-er is good.
@@Cynyr I like how he explained it, basically that Windows asks us that kind of shit for the most trivial changes to your system, so it didn't set off alarms for him
I mean the install wasn't supposed to nuke everything it was broken. It's his fault he didn't read it but windows always asks if you're sure about every little thing so he didn't even read it cause you get used to it.
Tbh, when I kept seeing those spams I thought of how easy it would be to remove them, but since a gigantic corporation like youtube couldn't do it how could I a mere mortal develop something more intelligent then their algorithms, appareantly I was right and developing was actually pretty easy, good job RUclips!
Hugely appreciate it 👍
I just got so fed up with the spammers I decided to pull a thanos and do it myself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Was trying to find a comment from you on here, then I see it and it says "42 seconds ago"
You are doing god's work
i was here
You did a great job at creating it!
I love seeing this app get the attention it deserves. Not all heroes wear capes.
It really is quite awesome seeing the community come together!
It’s an incredible first step, glad to see RUclipsrs like ThioJoe work on the scam bot problem. Kinda weird how Google isn’t doing it themselves though.
Yeah, its great to see.
Community strong
Didn't expect you here
Two weeks later,
RUclips : "We've detected a Mass Report Raids and we Decided to Remove the Report Button"
It's too political, so they totally should! (Assuming it increases there Profits)
lol
Ha! That's hilarious. I could totally see that happening..
Only if the mass reporting raids disagree with their agenda.
or it'll just be like instagram and be completely useless
ThioJoe is the one who lived long enough to see himself become the Hero
Let's hope he doesn't live long enough to see himself become a bad guy
@@simtelefon I can't believe how many people fell for the "Changing the oil in your PC" video. Literally can't believe how many people thought their PC's had literal oil inside of them.
modern people bullied the comedian and now made him boring.
@@simtelefon It also didn't help the fact that people were bullying because they thought he stole Jacksfilm's YIAY format when he was doing those "Reading your comments" videos first, before Jack came out wit his first Jackask episode.
@@simtelefon ahead of his time? Lol that basic humor exist since the dawn of the internet.
The accusation of censorship is really annoying because we can't even restore the comments as creators, they just get blipped out of existence... YT is a total garbage pile these days
doesn't seem to matter too lTT Linus just openly admitting censoring comments in this video and nobody seems to care
Support the truckies you soy boy pc
hate it when i'm writing a big tech help comment and it's gone. repost without any possibly questionable words, totally rephrased, still gone. don't even feel the desire anymore. comments aren't for discussion at this point, just for jokes
@@Emforay The people in the comments are not real people. Its all fake and people like you are just screaming into the void of cyberspace.
@@tinto278 you good buddy?
I love when people take an idea, implement it, and are considerably more successful than a large corporate group.
@Mitzuko And here it is.
Don't worry guys, I'll report it, no need to thank me
@Mitzuko oh my fucking god
What the…
Well yeah of course people facing a problem first hand are able to develop a way to solve the problem better than a corporation who doesn't face the problem first hand
Welcome back to another episode of "RUclipsrs: Fine, I'll do it myself."
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RUclips only caring about the censorship.
@@jungervin8765 hurt feelings are louder than victims of scam after all!
Mostly because its so easy (seemingly easier than ever) to have your feelings hurt nowadays.
Here to watch to comment above mine get deleted in an hour or so. Let's get a live action test of the system :D
@@ЕгорКарасик-ь5у waiting with you
RUclips as a company has seriously gown down the drain over the years.
Yeah, their quality really went down a lot.
But at the same time they're a growing monopoly
Yep. Its corporate bullshit now
RUclips is owned by Google
Lazy asf people
Pro tip for Linus: You don't have to create multiple accounts to get past the api call limit: All you have to do is to create more API keys to get more API calls for your main account.
does replying to a comment push it higher up?
@@Skywalker8510 maybe? But thanks for replying anyways!
hey glad im not the only one, here bump
I don't know if this actually works but its worth a try so, up you go little comment.
porkchop sandwiches
YT right now: "As planned. One day YT will be ran completely by the community, and all we have to do is collecting Ads revenue."
yeah more a thing of they just don't care
or at least no one with the permission to do anything about it cares
Damn this really irks me because I really believe companies are going in this direction whenever they can. They just push the problem to the customer and reap the profits.
Was the script used on this video? The comment section is clean instead of every top comment having trash XXX spam
@@pif5023 seems like every company been a huge piece of shit lately
I'd be fine with that personally. Just using PeerTube instead, so no ads or any bs.
RUclips has been blessed with being able to annoy everyone on the platform except the advertisers as much as they can
@アイカナ BRUH literally the exact thing this video is designed to teach awareness and prevention about.
The irony is painful
Time to run the script again.
@アイカナ LETS GOOOOO
@アイカナ OH CMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is wonderful - lots of my live streams have awful spam (and regular comments). Thank you so much
👍 Just subscribed to your channel! Glad I saw your comment and checked you out!!
@@lunar5355 oh thank you and I hope you will enjoy. Hopefully with less and less spam going forward :)
1 year later and I'm wondering how it is going.
Would love to hear about that
RUclips later: “There has been frequent mass reporting during the last moth, and thus we are removing the report option”
See you in 2023!
Yeah, sounds like an actual move youtube could do...
Please don’t jinx it
Is that before or after noticing increasing numbers of folk using scripts like ThioJoe's then blocking their ability to work properly because they' decide they should be detected as bots or something? Instead of them just using all the resources and computing power they have themselves to do the job properly.
This sounds so out of whack and stupid that google might actually do it. Google likes doing out of the ordinary stuff no platform user will benefit from after all.
Been subbed to ThioJoe since he changed his content to actual tech tips. He's the closest thing to a reformed villain we've got.
I still can't trust his videos
Up until now I thought he still made useless videos and haven't watched any of them for the last decade as I just passed them off as satire.
@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw As long as you use your own common sense, you can pretty easily rely on his content.
@@VivekYadav-ds8oz thats the point. I watched his videos when I was technically illiterate (not illiterate. Just in tech). Even if I knew he doesnt post satire anymore, child me still says no risk taking with him
Heck even his joke vids are nice. I mean they are so blatantly obvious that I don't understand why people even fall for it
It's definitely a "wouldn't" on RUclips/Google's side. They have hundreds of developers with tens of years of experience on all the RUclips coding environment and they could pull something like this as optimized as possible in a snap of fingers
100% - there's got to be something that benefits THEM from the spam. Maybe "engagement" metrics? Who knows, but they definitely won't do it properly. But they DO shadow-ban your comments at random, which always sucks...
Like Thanos
It's a big company decisions take a long time to get implemented
Actually, this is so simple and already technically implemented (because is youtube api) that i wouldnt be surprised if they just missed it.
It's amazing. RUclips deletes my comments constantly, but I still see spam from actual bots everywhere. Blows my mind.
Now that Jacksepticeye and Cr1tikal have done videos about this huge problem, we should share this video with as many people as possible and let them know that the community already has a solution
Somebody start a thread on Twitter? That seems like the only place they check and listen to.
@@liriodendronlasianthus I already tweeted about it but so far nothing
If Google doesn't want spam on their website it'll be gone a long time ago think about it
@OneFortyFour They'll only care if the spammers are taking the money away from them.
Charlie made a video about it? Can you send me a link to it?
This is amazing! I am really happy big creators are getting involved in fighting scams. I can't believe RUclips doesn't do more, removing the Dislike button was the single dumbest thing they could have done, and quite frankly, I don't understand why disliking comments does nothing as well.
To be fair, they didn't remove the dislike *button*, but made it next to useless.
My guess would be that any kind of engagement (be it positive or negative) means more klicks, more ad revenue and thus more money for RUclips. They would be stupid to stop spammers, if it reduced their own income...
yes
Mal you Rock!
pretty soon they'll also start prosecuting and putting in jail "pirates" (thats those of us who run ad blockers).
linus is a joke.
I don't know what RUclips is doing sometimes...
Bruh look here is spam
I don't think RUclips knows what RUclips is doing sometimes
@UCVJQvQWdeP7InPfy8UJX6Zg haha dumb bots linus hit em with it?
The bare minimum, that's what RUclips does.
@@NihinduAngana its just 2 mins ago. Maybe they will be gone by tomorrow.
As RUclips tries to ruin itself, the user base have decided not to let it.
could you imagine how screwed youtube would be if they got everything they wanted?
@@stevexracer4309 I'm not american so would you mind enlightening me?
@@jaynee8581 news, politician videos, etc. Basically everything youtube forces down people's throats, gets destroyed by dislikes
If these comunity members were to make a competing site, youtube would be dead in a couple of years
@Erik Müller I don’t think so since they could’ve just removed them for that video specifically. Plus I doubt RUclips cares that it’s once a year video gets disliked.
As you went through it explaining, I already really liked how through this whole thing was as a moderation tool.
But when you got around to the ability to scan foreign content and mass-report spam my jaw hit the floor at hyperlight speed. That's such an incredibly obvious, but just as easy to overlook inclusion into this kind of app that really elevates it from a "neat little community tool" (the type that large platfrom's APIs are usually spedifically made for), into a genuine weapon to actually fight the problem. Awesome to see that Thio thought that one step further and ended up creating such a powerful and versatile tool.
RUclips is too busy pandering to corporate interests and fine tuning their algorithms for them.
One novice programmer was able to fix the problem and this is proof enough for me that RUclips doesn't care.
Ironic when u realize all top comments here are RUclips verify tag abusers. their comments get pushed to the top and they usally post good-willed comments just to get subs from kids. Until RUclips doesn't remove vertiy tag (automatically push their comments tot he top no matter what they post) the RUclips will stay broken. 509% of channels on youtube are boosted. 50% of good willed comments on youtube ar either bots or sub booster. we turned content creation into business.
@@Dualities for the most part I agree, but a lot of people on the platform want to get that internet recognition high, and proceed to seek out checkmark commenters with the intent to be the first to reply.
Finally he is getting some attention from more big creators for this
what a shame spam already on your comment
@Beatrix__________👇💕 ur kidding me
haha the spamers are incredible
@Beatrix__________👇💕 Hi Anthony
@Beatrix__________👇💕 are you fking kidding me?
I suspect YT won't, I think the spam comments actually artificially boost average engagement on the platform, and thus make it look more appealing to advertisers.
This guy's got it.
You are a genius
Or comments are already sheduled for removal, along with dislike button.
Bingo. I see the same thing with bogus spam clicks on my Google Ads. They win either way so there's not much incentive to fight it.
I think their sorting also pushes those comments down so that most users won't see them and if most users don't see them it's not an issue for them I guess
I'm old enough to remember ThioJoe's troll videos. He's lived long enough to become the hero.
he indeed did. i remember making my internet faster than light after making a fire hazard at house as a kid with laughable internet speed
Huh, a comment section not filled with spam actually makes me want to comment. Great job, ThioJoe!!
Oh noe’s, my head is stuck in the washing machine, pls help! 🤭
it is instead filled with verify RUclipsrs abusers
@@Dualities lol, they have the right to comment same as u, it's not called abuse, not just because u consider that as such
@CreativeUnoriginals hahaha. u guys clearly have no idea that RUclips is literally the biggest bussines in the world
@@zer0legend109 yeah but I don't post pretenitius caring or popular comments and abuse verified tag so that my comments get pushed to the top no matter what I comment
As a fellow programmer, I'm happy to see all these utilities done by just one person or a small team coming up and ending up being even better than what corporations can do.
yes but i think youtube did intentionally nothing because as Linus said this was just a one man job
look at this source code, it's a mess.
why would they? bot activity probably still looks like engagement lol
Google could easily do better, they just dont care until it starts hurting their revenue
yeah and this little Programm just uses the YT Api... imagine what Google could to with all the locked down metrics they have 🤦
RUclips watches this video: "He's right! We need to take immediate action" Removes thumbs down option entirely and changes RUclips studio interface.
Replying to see how this ages
Might as well remove the thumbs up button, sub counter and views too. This will help the smaller creators feel like they are all the same. Everyone will be the same. There will be no deviation from doing what we tell you to do.
@@Vandassar Just remove videos too. Everyone's the same if there's no content.
And thinks about NFTs
@@Vandassar Hey let's do that! Let's go Comunism! Definitely never ended bad...
Just goes to show that one persons passion can beat a companys standards, be it in video games, cooking or software the rule still applies.
I would love more types of videos like this: Interesting, open source, but still relevant to lots of people (as opposed to something so niche that people won't care to watch). Right now when building computer's is just impossible for a lot of people, this type of content is very cool.
Yes!
Great Idea
It could also help generally to discover useful tools that went under the radar.
There surely are a lot of helpful tools, that are really helpful, but simply did not have people making them publicly known.
Ironic when u realize all top comments here are RUclips verify tag abusers. their comments get pushed to the top and they usally post good-willed comments just to get subs from kids. Until RUclips doesn't remove vertiy tag (automatically push their comments tot he top no matter what they post) the RUclips will stay broken. 509% of channels on youtube are boosted. 50% of good willed comments on youtube ar either bots or sub booster. we turned content creation into business.
@@Dualities Ironic when you realize that the comment you posted is beneath a non verified Channel. Yet otherwise still fits your description (this comment gets pushed to the top and is good willed)
" Until RUclips doesn't remove vertiy tag [...] the RUclips will stay broken"
The verify Tag is important, though. Otherwise, it would be even harder to distinguish genuine comments from bots.
Yes, parts about it are broken, but the system itself is beneficial.
"509% of channels on youtube are boosted"
What is boosted? If all channels are boosted anyway, is that a problem?
"we turned content creation into business"
Yeah? Content creation has been a business for 2500+ years. (First it was engravings, Statues, Paintings, now it has become Games, Books, Movies and much more)
What is your point?
Bravo Linus for A) trying to share a very needed tool, B) for recognizing a fellow member of the community who is trying to do something positive RUclips won't, and C) I would just love to see more videos like this, about people taking the reins and promoting solutions to problems, or just generally sharing your massive market with other creators who do things worth talking about.
RUclips automatically hides negative comments, creating a circle jerk of praise and pride.
Considering how simple it was for Joe to make, I'm leaning towards Google making the decision to not take action on this...
@@zhongxina6621 This is entirely not the point.
I'm leaning toward "won't" because this problem is stupidly simple for the type of AI that Google regularly employs. And if you've ever had an experience with Google moderation before, you probably know that they're worse than awful. I once reported a fake SpaceX channel full of nothing but Muslim videos to pad it out and a few Bitcoin scam videos to sucker users. The moderators didn't see anything wrong with the channel and told me I was wrong to report it! Last time I tried to be helpful....
@@zhongxina6621 I agree with the first user who replied to you that this is not the point. But I also checked the contribution stats on the GitHub repository. Thio has made 28k additions to the repo, while the next biggest contributor has made 108. Where did you get this statement from?
Theres no way a google engineer couldn't have thought of this himself.
RUclips absolutely doesn't give a fuck
it’s so nice to go to comments in this video and them not being full of spammers replying:’) haven’t had that for more than a year
I really like how ThioJoe made the script very friendly and clear with the colorings on the text. I hope that more scripts out there do more like this. I'm looking at you Linux.
hell yeah
Many things on Linux are "less friendly" because one of the major things about Linux that its users love it the ability to chain programs together and use them in scripts. So many programs try to find a happy middle ground between human understable and parsable via script or other programs. However, many programs actually have separate "interactive" modes, or will behave differently depending on whether or not its output is being sent somewhere else for further processing, so yes, Linux programs have fancy colors and stuff too. And for the standard programs that don't, most people don't care. But that's the beauty of Linux and open source. If you do care, replace those programs with ones that behave more to your preference. For instance, the default cat program doesn't have fancy colors, but there's alternatives that do. And the current cat program has grown some new features over the years that some users consider "bloat", and there's simplier versions to suit those people's preferences. Whatever you want, someone's made it. And if you don't want to take the time to configure it yourself, someone else wrote a set of automated config scripts. Wanna take the plunge and do it manually? This guy wrote a guide on his blog.
Agreed! I always spend a good chunk of time optimizing my scripts for user-friendliness, I think it's important.
Finally someone brings the DESERVED attention to ThioJoe
YES
Surprised
@Beatrix__________👇💕 this video is about this
@@pixels_per_inch they were jokes
@Beatrix__________👇💕 say goodbye to commenting here again bot 🤡
As a programmer, F for those fallen with the false positives
Your sacrifice will be remembered
You know what's up. I wonder how long before ThioJoe is getting publicly strung up.
F
F
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The false positive rate is low but still there
damn the thiojoe fake tech tips were hilarious when i was in middle school, weird and awesome to see him making an actually useful tool
Not even 10 seconds in, and I can tell that the editor definitely had a lot of fun
This is genuinely one of the most interesting intros they've had in the recent past
It’s an awesome intro
Every time a spammer leaves a message, RUclips gets to charge advertisers a fraction of a penny for user engagement on a video with ads. That's why they can't remove spam messages.
That's why they WON'T remove spam messages. This is a business decision not one based on consumer care.
@@desktop_pilot honestly the advertisers should be putting pressure on RUclips to do something about it because technically RUclips would be complicit in allowing fraud to occur in order to benefit them.
@@HerbaMachina Don't give them any ideas. They'll just use this as an excuse to remove comments all together.
@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw they do, but RUclips isn't potentially distinguishing them from an impressions or ad viewer.
We all know RUclips's response to this video will be to lock down the API that makes this possible.
After all, RUclips _is_ known to be the smartest company out there
@@applmango *Alphabet
You forgot, also state that small creators complained as the justification.
@@eideticex They like to use 'users' or 'accounts' rather than 'creators' most of the time, as that lets them remove tools that are Highly Useful and Widely Used by creators, on the basis that 'only a smaller percentage of users' use a feature... the sneaky part here, of course, is that everyone with an android device has a google, and thus youtube, account, and most of them (well, us, I fall into that category myself) don't Create anything on the platform!
They'll come up with some bullshit excuse about "small creators being harmed by mass reports" and get rid of the whole thing.
Definitely Implementing this tool, getting these annoying What's Apps comments too often! Looking forward to RUclips improving on this!
So that's why I've not seen any spams and scams recently. Truly remarkable work!
I actually thought that Google had finally fixed this shit but no, it was all thanks to this program. 😲
There is many still on this comment page, the first reply to all top comments is a link with a n00dy site linked to it
RUclips should detect those, but they will erase my comments talking facts about mushrooms.
@@dertythegrower Yes but there is much less of them than previously. Especially those with special characters in their titles. Much easier to ignore.
I still see a sht TON
@@dertythegrower what do you know about lobster mushrooms?
Super helpful. Thanks for bringing attention to this guy's awesome tool!
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You did that on purpose right? I liked that, it's on theme, due to the content of most spam
Is that the awesome tool in the emails at 1:02?
Let's all say FUCK YOU GOOGLE ALPHABET
ThioJoe. Thank you for turning from the enemy we all hated, to the hero we all needed. It is greatly appreciated.
Why was he an enemy?
@@SharatS the dude would make troll videos that would make kids do stupid shit to their computers. He eventually decided that he didn't want to do it anymore and started to release videos that had actual tech tips that were helpful.
@@3v068 that's on them lol. Every kid had to be scammed or something bad happening at some point to understand that they shouldn't trust everything (Even if you tell the kid, they'll probably forget or disobey because nothing bad happened yet). Everyone is overprotective in the 3.0 internet but if it doesn't happen now, it will later at some point.
@@3v068 absolutely true. I fell for his "double cores" troll 6 years ago. It somehow bricked my system and I needed to install a new one.
At least that was the day I finally upgraded to windows 10 :)
edit : The thing is, reason I fell for that is cuz I heard most cpus have hyperthreading (2x threads for each core) and uneducated me thought they needed to be "activated" somehow, cuz windows showed up my 2c/2t cpu as 1c/1t , even tho both cores worked.
@@Bored__AF lol yeah man. Times were crazy back then. I'm glad people are stepping up and honestly stopping the scamming and exposing the scummy people who do.
People who think that dumb people deserve to be scammed are people that shouldn't be trusted with anything.
Its awesome to see LTT finally shining a light on this guy. Hes the best
Hi Linus, small programming channel here, please DO NOT create an army of fake moderator accounts. This is definitely a violation of YT's ToS and could get your entire channel deleted. Doing anything to avoid the quota system is a big no-no. If you need more quota, pay for more quota.
Linus: I can't see why RUclips wouldn't do anything about it
Also RUclips: removes the dislike button
Honestly, it's probably better for YT to never touch their platform.
Next month RUclips update:
WE ARE REMOVING REPORT COMMENT FEATURE
Something like that seriously is needed for Twitter since it's flooded by bots and scammers
That mass report feature is the real key here imo. Turning it from just a limited tool to something everyone can use to make a difference.
In case youtube cares about those reports, and reporting is not there purely for its existence. Not for it to make a change.
The whole "This is so easy I'm surprised Google/RUclips/Facebook/Anyone I dunno hasn't done this yet." thing is just not surprising anymore given how little of a shit these companies give
Exactly!!
Seeing how much RUclips favors it's advertisers, it's not really a surprise now that they don't care about their platform. It's all about the profits
This is a bot guys. Perfect example of what this software WON'T filter out. 😊. If you get my drift relating to paid for subs, views, likes, comments. Look at Linus's sub to view ratio for this video alone 😉.
There is no reason to improve things if a given company has a monopoly.
mybe start calling out all those vertify tag abusers first
I can already see it coming. RUclips is going to weigh the API-call reports lower so that the effectiveness is going to be reduced. Something something anti bullying....
"To prevent users bullying our servers, we ..."
@@xmine08 lmao
Yep, there's a reason they've done so little so far.
I have a feeling the extra comments make google more money (showing advertisers that the videos with their ads got more engagement, or that the site overall has more user activity than it really does)... You know, that stuff that looks good in a PowerPoint full of stats, which is why it's not new to cheat those stats...
I know right
RUclips hasn't prioritised removal of spam because it's not very profitable to them.
They'd rather spend money on fighting ad-blockers than stop scammers who steal millions of dollars every month.
This mentality of the stakeholders not giving a shit about anything but profit is going to drive humanity into the ground.
Pet peeve: people reading scripts saying they or their company "can't" when the truth is they "won't".
The sad reality is both are true at the same time. The bigshots who have nothing to do with the product decide for whatever reason (or lack thereof) that they won't, therefore the rank and file grunts who do the work and rely on them for a paycheck can't.
They did thi on purpose. Spam generates movement. Movement generetes movement.
And even more movement. The more the better. For YT adds of course. No matter what kind of shit does this. If it moves - it pays.
No company would ever admit that they "can't" or "won't" do something, they'll just ignore the problem or point out an alternate "solution"
There's a Smarter Every Day video about this where he (IIRC) interviews the RUclips Spam team (at least the Facebook and Twitter Spam teams). It's actually easier for channels and users to do the reporting than for youtube itself, because it sees a huge volume of comments and is extremely valuable to game. It's also unclear when comments aren't legitimate when the actual content itself is unknown. Like we know that mentioning Crypto on LTT is probably spam, but on a crypto news channel?
In any case, the mass reporting (assuming we check the comments are rubbish) actually makes the spam detection easier for RUclips.
RUclips 'won't' filter spam link comments because their filter system is already jammed up filtering "hate speech" (an extremely nebulous and extremely political term) and switching it back to filtering actual spam would mean that their political enemies would "win".
"So why don't you remove spam comments and accounts?"
RUclips: "Money!"
Artificial engagement makes their numbers look good to investors
Susan won, she did it, she pulls the Todd Howard move....it just works
Then this will cost Alphabet money and they will fight tooth and nail to stop its spread.
It's amazing how inspiring Thanos' "I'll do it myself." quote became.
Lovin' that framework laptop, huh, linus?
I hope they keep growing as a company.
I dream of a day where they get their hands on Wacom tech and we can build our own 2-in-1's
He is an investor, so I’m not surprised that he’s promoting it.
That being said, I also think that the concept and the company are super cool, and I want to see them become mainstream.
@@Dr.Schnizzle He's an investor because he wants it to succeed. There's personal gain, and personal gain via universal gain -- aka, rising tides and whatnot. Linus is leveraging the latter.
Knowing how RUclips got rid of community captioning, which was a huge use for Deaf/Hard of Hearing folks AND creators, and most other useful community tools, my guess is on won't and wouldn't.
What a cool tool!
"but we have a nice tool that does it for you"
-YoUTuBe after 3 companies told them that they won't buy ads placement anymore due to some kid adding some shite captionning to a video
If people spammed bad captions put the captions up for approval by the channel first?
There can be a possibility for using google translate on it to do a quick verification that the text is genuine in languages you don't understand.
Lazy bums. Community subtitles were how I translated educational videos into my language.
The features probably broke and the diversity hires couldn't find a way to fix them.
@@G-Mastah-Fash 💀
I just love it when the community fixes problems that Google won't
*won't.
If one self proclaimed novice can do it, so can a multi-billion dollar company.
@@MrRandomallthetime thanks for correcting me 👍
it's a trap! they're fooling the community into a sense of stronger community so as to like their platform more! /s
Google's in on it and Linus got the same thought, judging his reaction at the end.
RUclips makes them lose money, I heard?
As a software engineer with a lot of relevant experience in a large company, I don't think it's RUclips willingly ignoring the issue. People are bad at big numbers and many of the larger platforms are so large it's difficult to really wrap your head around the scale that you're dealing with. A minimal increase to a computational task that gets executed hundreds of thousands of times per second easily balloons into large absolute increases in required computational power. That said, I don't think that is the issue either.
I believe the real issue to be one of sustainability. When you're making filtering changes that affect a massive number of people, you have to be confident that they work with very few false positives. This analysis takes time, so playing cat-and-mouse with spammers using entirely heuristical approaches like Thio's aren't great: either your reponse is too slow each time the spammers switch their tactics to get around your filters or you change things too quickly and get false positives.
In the same vein I don't think it matters that the tool's logic is obfuscated to slow down spammers. Reading through filtering code is one way to get around things, but an arguably easier way is to hook up a fuzzer to it and see what gets past it programmatically.
With all that said I do think it is a good tool and will help RUclips train their spam algorithms, at least while its popularity is below the critical mass for spammers to start working around it.
Think it's just like the justice system, better have a suspect walk free than an innocent person in jail. So better have a spam comment show up than a normal comment getting deleted
I am a software engineer also. Filtering spam is orders of magnitude less work than managing and serving a video library. Their spam filter for Gmail is top notch, it is extremely rare for me to see spam in my inbox, and don't get false positives often. There is no reason YT should be a haven for spammers. Their "misinformation" team is on overdrive, censoring free speech with lightning speed (despite having facts to back them up), yet spam comments run rampant. I see comments all the time, with clear, unobfusticated "whatsapp" and "only fans". They clearly do not care.
@@championxxlNL Normal comments get deleted all the time, if you go against the narrative, spam comments roam free.
Tbh, I don't think youtube would care about removing or even temp shadowbaning as little false positives as they can, especially that linus said in video that they ban a lot of mobile comments that dont break any rules/spam.
Especially with the way they treat creators that often get copyright striked for nothing ect, so why would they care if an innocent comment gets banned either.
I don't know why youtube didn't implement something to stop these spammers, especially that a lot of them could have been banned extremly easily just by having w.a. number in these bubbles after their name or at the end of a comment (wont give an example since linus is running now the script but u know what I mean) and in such cases false positives would have been pretty much pure ZERO, so there is something very wrong with youtube's lack of reaction to this almost like it was intentional.
@@xeridea Also to that respect, false positives happen incredibly frequently. I've seen major RUclips channels get auto deleted by AI before someone at YT realizes their issue. So arguing the point of "We would need to maintain/test this before using it" is invalid. No-one would care at all if one or so comment gets falsely deleted. But whole channels get removed... I see no reason other than they gain something by letting spammers run free.
ThioJoe is the biggest turnaround of a tech channel. I appreciate that.
8:33 its actually not 10k calls per day, but 10k "units" worth of calls. That page shows a breakdown of how many units certain actions require, but basically you're getting even less calls than you expect.
Imagine if we lived in a world where youtube would actually give a crap about their audience and content creators
@Beatrix__________👇💕 wtf 😂
That sounds terrible and I hate that idea. today is also not opposite day 😉
@@thewolfkingtwk5068 linus will need to create a bot to auto ban these aberrations.
@Beatrix__________👇💕 found one! Hope to see you deleted in a few minutes
@Beatrix__________👇💕 The irony for it to be on this video
Funny, TheoJoe led me to this channel years ago because of that double your internet speed video. I thought it was crap and I then watched Linus' video on how he doubled his legitimately, that caused a vicious cycle of watching everything on his channel and I have been an avid watcher ever since. That was 5-8 years ago (I don't recall exactly).
I feel like we're some sort of parent and RUclips is a child, where RUclips keeps pushing loads of buttons and screwing things up and we have to clean up their mess for them since they obviously won't do it themselves...
Nah nah, other way around, RUclips is the old parent and RUclipsrs is the Child who's grown up now
I hope ThioJoe continues getting the recognition he deserves
Google: "Dear Linus, we like to inform you that we have disabled your AdSense account for showing and using hacking tools in RUclips which breaks our term and services Repeated violation will terminate you account"
Just kidding hope this doesn't happen!!
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It's been years since I saw a comment section this clean, with actual community members discussing and not bots. Nearly reminds me of the good ol' 2016 and such. Google even used to give a fickle crackle back then. Thanks linus and thiojoe.
Edit: Spelling correction
2016 was the peak of humanity lol. also 69th like, nice
Nah, not 2016. 2016 saw the "big yellow circle" get worse, as far as I can remember. 2012-2014 was the peak.
ThioJoe*
@@nixd0rf356 yeah I'll correct it
@@rishabhrawat7856 glad I could help!
This totally feels like a virus scanner from 1991, but for spam.
Honestly, I'm impressed. Not with how effective it is, but the fact that the dude who made all those tech prank videos actually made something genuinely innovative and useful. I'll probably still think it's a tech prank every time I see one of his videos in my feed, but at least we got a useful tool out of him.
Dang. I remember falling for one of his earlier jokes as a kid, and wished vengeance. Definitely forgiven now
We call it even now
Yeah....Figures I couldn't just upgrade my xbox 360 to a xbox one.....
Which one?
Ironic when u realize all top comments here are RUclips verify tag abusers. their comments get pushed to the top and they usally post good-willed comments just to get subs from kids. Until RUclips doesn't remove vertiy tag (automatically push their comments tot he top no matter what they post) the RUclips will stay broken. 509% of channels on youtube are boosted. 50% of good willed comments on youtube ar either bots or sub booster. we turned content creation into business.
@@Dualities shut up
Like DankPods says, " The biggest companies make the worst crap."
The hero we needed but don't deserve, ThioJoe.
Kinda surprised that it was him
@@Hamox I totally guessed it would be Joe.
@Beatrix__________👇💕 shut
@@kxrannn.g report them :)
@Beatrix__________👇💕 the fucking irony
I'm actually subscribed to ThioJoe and have been using and promoting this tool for a while now. I'm glad to see it being pushed by a big channel as that hopefully means that a lot more creators will start to use it as well as a lot more viewers (like myself).
The one where they copy a comment actually stumped me for a bit when I first saw it. I mean, the channel name made it obvious it was spam, but I genuinely didn't realise what was going on. And you're absolutely right, we need to stop shaming people for falling for them. It'd be much better to explain a few things or teach em how to recognise that stuff.
Which is actually why I'd like to see a RUclips app feature on the site. In the app, you can tap someone's icon in the comments and see a few recent comments they've made on the channel. If they're all the same, it's pretty obvious it's spam. But I bet most people don't even know about that feature lol. This is another of those instances where you can see that RUclips can do better, they just won't.
About the program though. Command line scares people. Sure, this audience will have no problem with this, but this seems like a tool that should get as much use as possible. A simple UI would go a long way.
Just tried it on your comment, shit that's pretty neat!
I only recently discovered the copied comment thing myself when someone replied to one such comment and mentioned how much it annoyed them. I can’t stop noticing it since, and annoyingly those account comments are invariably getting more likes than the originals, and obviously the more engagement, the higher up the stack it gets boosted, rinse and repeat.
I’m really glad there is a tool that allows creators and even supporters the ability to do something about it.
@@OliB150 Now that you mention it, they absolutely did have more likes. That's depressing. But yeah, tools like this are amazing. I really want to see this trend continue. I want to see the community fix RUclips lol
@@drizzle8309 Those comments are probably getting likebotted
damn theres no spam anymore 0-0
Challenge:
Get a server, any server, and make a deal with ThioJoe to make you a live-watchdog version of the code.
Let it run 24/7/31 on your channel, and see how much it could clear up. The results would be hella interesting.
24/7/31/12/100
@@lukyboi_4450 24/7/31/12/100/10
@@brandonchan5387 hour/weeks/days/months/years/decade/centenarians until infinite? you are crazy
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For me, I think just putting Windows on a Raspberry Pi and then running this script would work
It's incredibly amazing seeing that this actually works, with my own eyes, in this comment section.
I have never seen any comment section so clean (Even back in the day void of bots)
What Joe has created is not only the most powerful bot remover, but perhaps the most powerful moderation tool ever.
Huge props, especially since one guy was able to create something that a multi-billion dollar platform couldn't do in their dreams.
I just left a similar comment but yes! It's so clean I love it! Feels like a breath of fresh air.
I respect the work and think behind the tool but those company have big guy with enormous ressources, they have build numerous systems way more complexe and advanced than the tool here, they would be able to do this and surely to improve it, they already have tools for their video and audio, and for a lot of others Google products, so comment in text ate easy peasy for them. There reason at why they don't give a damn is elsewhere
You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become the hero. Well done, Thio. I'm seeing now that others wrote similar comments and had similar thoughts, so I'll add the following: I've heard a lot of people bless private enterprises over public services, but I've yet to see a single person outmatch them the way Thio basically outmatched a multibillion dollar corporation... it's at both awe-inspiring but also really depressing.
For me the most hilarious part was Linus creating fake moderator accounts to circumvent a crude API protection to remove fake spamming users.
Holy sh*t finally! I've been waiting way too long until someone actually made a video about it. Thank you Linus for bringing this up and showing this to everyone being blind by these spam accounts. Justice will prevail against these horrible spam bots.
Weeeeell...TheoJoe had announced this script using a video, so I'd say you weren't waiting long at all! 😉
I like the fact that to fight the army of spammers we need... army of moderators. Really hope mentioned app will continue to evolve
The Api Quota limit is tied to the application rather than per user. So the "army" idea I think won't work as well as you may think. I may have a bit of experience here xD.
application = API key. Every user in the "army" has their own API key so it would be like an army of users with their own application
NGL, I never even considered taking ThioJoe seriously after his satirical tech videos. This whole time, I would just ignore his videos because I thought they wouldn't be serious.
Exactly! Me too, I never bothered clicking on them after seing most of them were just troll videos...
What a hell of a character arc! I remember people blasting him when ElectroBoom did a video that had one of ThioJoes video. Even if it is a joke, the fact that Joe did a complete 180 and used his infamous power for good, is something to be greatly respected. Well done Joe and I hope your success continues!
It's insane that RUclips doesn't do this! They literally hold auctions for what add you're going to see in a few millisecond, and you're telling be they can't run some basic heuristic checks (not to mention much more advanced text recognition) for comments.
Funny how a one man army had more purpose than a team of experienced multimillonaire experts
This is one of the reasons why I love LTT and have stuck with the channel for 7 years. Linus constantly looks for tools and methods to help consumers, users in the tech world when most go silent. This is valuable content.
I hope you're not using an AdBlocker then....
@@miff227 Don't worry. You can't block his videos with adblocker even though most of them are ads.
Finally, the thing we all asked for and got. I love how people out there make such innovative inventions helping us out
Instead of fixing spam, RUclips decides to make ads more invasive in a way that encourages more people to use ad blockers.
And their intended path of more RUclips premium subscriptions only makes sense for iOS users.
Every recent video still has a horrible spam problem. Great work, guys.
That report functionality sounds dangerous, and I feel it can be misused but other than that, this is amazing
I like you pic
Or worse, it basically doesn't do anything
Even if the report functionality in this project can be dangerous, it sounds like doing an api call like this was already relatively easy to create, so a malicious actor could have already made something like this with a bot army to mass report unsuspecting people. So with the problem already existing I think it is better that we have a tool ourselves to be able to more easily report this bot/spam mess and hope that reports by our non spamy non bot accounts hold more weight then those of the bots and spammers.
Sounds like an easy way to get your own account banned since all reports are linked to your account when made. In the end it shouldn't result in anything that can be abused.
Agreed. Sounds like a witch hunt in the making.
ThioJoe finally got the recognition he deserves for the Spammer Purge
@Beatrix__________👇💕 This video is about you!
@@rtz5668 lmao
@Beatrix__________👇💕 bruh.
Bruh
@Beatrix__________👇💕 The irony
8:00 oh that mass reporting feature is going to be abused so bad. I hope it doesn't get the api access banned.
This is quite a great idea, a problem that I can see with it however is that the report feature can be easily be abused and as Linus mentioned it's easy to bypass the api limits by simply using multiple alts (according to TheOutcastVirus it's also possible to do so by creating multiple api keys) such that it becomes a matter of numbers in the reports of good/bad comments, which has the potential to effectively render the report useless.
I loved ThioJoe’s stuff! So cool to see that this is what he’s doing these days.
u are either kid or bot or sub booster or ThioJoe side account
At this point, we only need RUclips for the hosting and delivery. Everything else we do better. The community has to fix their comment systems, the video player, the ads, the dislike button, the app, the notifications, the channel moderation. Everything.
Technically, making multiple accounts to get around the API quota limit is against TOS. You should REALLY just request more API quota unless you want to risk getting banned. I was able to get more API quota for one of my projects pretty easily.
well.. did you paid to do that?
This API sounds like a godsend for any sort of content creator that gets flooded with spam. Keep up the good work
Maybe if the apt install warning had been called "Nuke Mode" Linus would have enjoyed his PopOS install for a little while longer.
I mean that was an actual bug and not his fault lol.
@@batt3ryac1d not really a bug, but yes a trap for new users. I saw lots of *DE* items in the remove list and knew he was gonna nuke his desktop environment before he hit enter. Anyways, the fix to make it safer-er is good.
@@Cynyr I like how he explained it, basically that Windows asks us that kind of shit for the most trivial changes to your system, so it didn't set off alarms for him
I mean the install wasn't supposed to nuke everything it was broken. It's his fault he didn't read it but windows always asks if you're sure about every little thing so he didn't even read it cause you get used to it.
Thanks for giving Thio the well deserved spotlight
thank you for bringing this into the spotlight. Running it on the channel "I did a thing" rn, found 206 offenders at 59%. seems to do the job well!
Tbh, when I kept seeing those spams I thought of how easy it would be to remove them, but since a gigantic corporation like youtube couldn't do it how could I a mere mortal develop something more intelligent then their algorithms, appareantly I was right and developing was actually pretty easy, good job RUclips!