John MacArthur LOSER Theology CONFRONTED By Pastor
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- John MacArthur LOSER Theology CONFRONTED By Pastor @RightResponseMinistries
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I don't believe "winning" means wealth, success and prosperity. When MacArthur says we lose, I think he means the world's embrace of sin, evil and rebellion against God, which we can clearly see is getting more grotesque and prominent day by day
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Yes I agree with you he doesn't think having wealth means winning he means we lose the culture war
This is exactly how I interpret what John was saying.
Then why mention the prosperity gospel ?
I was about to say this, keeping it 💯
I feel like there is a misunderstanding. MacArthur isn't talking about wealth. He is saying that things will continue to get worse until Jesus Christ returns.
J mac did use the words prosperity gospel in the clip and that is a wealth doctrine. Everyone is good with pointing out kopelands wealth, but get defencive when calvinists pastors wealth is brought up.
@@Mrdllish777 That’s not the point. MacArthur’s gospel is not about money regardless if he has money. The gospel of Copeland is about money and the pursuit of it.
@@peterjory7531 Okay. The phrase "God sovereignly decreed JMac to be a millionaire" is perfectly in line with Calvinism. How is that not prosperity Gospel?
@@Mrdllish777 Because Prosperity gospel preachers hold the views of dominion heresy which believes that we're going to win the 7 seven mountains (culture) that's why he talks about it....
McAurthor is wrong; we have won, are winning, and will continue to win….especially once Scofields doctrine is purged from the Church.
Did anyone else spend way to long working out that this guy isnt Matt Walsh?😂
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Lol, I was definitely thinking the same thing!
The thumbnail made me think it could be lol
I’ve been a Christian for 45 years. I didn’t even understand half the terms he used. I don’t worry about end times. Jesus is coming back, be ready. Let’s just continue to develop our relationship with the Lord.
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you don't necessarily have to understand half of the terms he used. There are people who like to keep things casual and vague and there are those who try to make their faith as defined as possible. I personally prefer definition, same analogy for water. All water is water but sewage water is definitely different from distilled water.
Understanding end times and knowing your eschatology will allow you to be a better Christian. I encourage you to know your stance as it will keep you sober minded and prepare you as a Christian. It IS essential!
That's such a lazy position to take being a Christian for 45 years. It shows a tremendous lack of zeal for the pursuit of learning and understanding the word of God.
@@DrCharlesPAdams That was my impression also after reading that comment. My word, within 4 years of my becoming a Christian I had (by the grace of God) worked out my eschatological views (Postmillennial) and that was 26 years ago. No reason with the internet, all the books written and most especially, the Word of God, not to know your views on this. It is very meaningful & essential in forming your Christian worldview.
"I'll take a MacArthur loss" 😂 me too!!
My interpretation is John McArthur is talking about humanity as a whole, not individually. He is saying the human race is doomed to a bad future on this side, and the only long term (thousands of years from now) hope is in heaven.
I am Reformed Presbyterian, and Ive been digging your content Ruslan. Keep goin bro!
Pastor Joel always rubs me the wrong way when addressing other Christians that he disagrees with. He really is rude when disagreeing (unlike a Mike Winger, who is always very respectful when disagreeing with other Christians) and has a very condescending view to others.
@@elib9002 Please elaborate about Mike Winger believing that Jesus is either a liar or stupid.
@@elib9002 You mean because he thinks that may not be literal? It's not clear to me what you mean.
@@elib9002 how fortunate you are that you got exactly the right amount of education
I agree with you and it's not good. We are to love another especially a fellow brother or sister.
Growing up in the 90s/00s my big sister used to listen to some Christian bands including DC Talk, Audio Adrenaline and Switchfoot. Funnily enough, Audio Adrenaline had a song called Get Down ("To win you've got to come in last place/To live your life you've got to lose it/And all the losers get a crown") and Switchfoot had a song called ("Only the losers win/They've got nothing to prove/They'll leave the world with nothing to lose...I've got a contract pending on eternity/If I haven't already given it away/I've got a plan to lose it all").
As an adult I considered those "loser" songs to be about losing in the sense of 'dying to live' and 'dying daily' e.g. in the same way Jesus says "Unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit." John 12:24
Who else thought that the guy in the picture was mat walsh at first?
Ruslan, I’m a postmil guy but John wasn’t saying we lose down here in any other sense then in an eschatological sense. To start talking about his net worth is an equivocation of what he meant. I say this as a postmil Christian who very much dislikes premil thinking and the damage it has done to the expansion of the gospel.
but then he seemed to equate post-mil with prosperity gospel. Sounds weird to me.
Young man, all Macarthur is saying when he says we don't win down here, he's saying that we will be persecuted. Winning doesn't have to do with money, having it or not having it. Just because he mentioned the prosperity Gospel doesn't mean that that's what he's referring to with winning or losing. He mentioned Jesus on the cross and all of the persecution of the saints. That should give you your first clue.
he's being persecuted like the early church? stop it.
@@BlessGodStudios Bro when the Cbdc will be here you'll understand lol
@BlessGodStudios Come on man. Christians all around the world are being persecuted for their faith and very quickly our nation is heading the same way.
Please open your eyes brother, Jesus told us that we all will face persecution for following Him.
@@BlessGodStudios He is talking about the events of revelation and the ongoing and coming defeat of the church. And future persecution of all christians as testified in the books of revelation and gospels.
I think part of the problem with Johnny Mac’s position like a lot of guys like him is these types seem to take delight in lowly worm theology and I’m such a wicked evil person. On top of that this idea that this life is depressing and you will be miserable and need to accept it. Because of guys like this, growing up I believed I couldn’t be joyful or hope for anything good in life because it was either sin, or God wanted me to suffer and be miserable so to speak.
I’m not even sure I agree that we “lose” down here so to speak. As a believer if I die before Christ comes back it’s still a win win. I might not have a lavish lifestyle this side of heaven but I also don’t think I’m “losing” in life. I’m content with what I have and am enjoying my life, so… idk.. not the biggest fan of JM
Totally agree. 1 John 5:4
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. We win no matter what. Secondly, We fight the good fight of faith, 'occupy till I come' and on and on.
Neither I'm I john mac arther seems miserable most of the time, yes he knews theology yes he is a Christian its his legalistic calvanistic theology that hampers him post of the time ,so much negative sermons no doubt he is saved and a fellow Christian, its the lack of any positive teaching from him its all hell and misery and point the finger so right wing evangelical ,calvanists must be very unhappy people, God bless him!
Ruslan, in lamens terms, he was pretty obviously not talking about money when he said were all "losing". It's clearly metaphorical. Im not attacking you, but im honestly shocked you didn't pick up on that.
How can you not factor in money when making such evaluations? And in what sense is John MacOther losing?
Risk and is a plant…
i would love to believe in the post millennial view. i just do not see it in scripture, i believe pre millennial makes the most sense, has the most scripture to support that view imo. i do not want to go through the eschatology that i would believe happens. yet i just do not see it another way when scripture is interpreting itself. Either way comes LORD Jesus!
Thank you for sharing John MacArthur's thoughts on why Christians may face difficulties in this life. While it can be discouraging to experience hardship, it's important to remember that our faith can give us strength and perspective during these times. According to MacArthur, Christians may face trials because of the sin and brokenness in the world around us, which can impact us despite our faith. Additionally, God may allow us to face challenges in order to grow and mature us, shaping us into the people He wants us to be. It's important for us to continue to trust in God's plan for our lives, even when things feel difficult or uncertain. As Christians, we can take comfort in knowing that we have a loving God who is working all things together for our good, even amidst trials and adversity. Let us continue to seek His guidance and trust in His provision, no matter what challenges we may face.
I think its important to know and understand the differing end time views. This way, regardless of personal beliefs, if we see things matching up in another way we will not be confused and can adjust. Otherwise there is massive potential for blind disappointment possibly leading to apostasy and disbelief.
Hey Ruslan, First of all Jonny Mac didn't refer to financial wins. You took it like that because you're on the grind to earn some pay for your fam. No issues there. But you're not interested in actually saying the truthful interpretation of what Mac was saying.
Great content man! Really enjoyed it
I think he means our job is not to save tha world, it's to separate from it.
But Ruslan and joel missed the point as macarther was not talking about the successes in this world but rather they are people that hold the doctrine of theocracy and that we are to dominate the world but rather our focus should be to share the gospel of Christ and thrive to live our lives worthy of christ. Yes we not winners on earth in the wealth side because the bible warns us against being rich as it can be a problem to ones faith. We should continue to live our lives to service of our Lord jesus christ
I sit in the middle of premil, amil, postmil and historicist.
I think there are elements within each of all of these that hold true.
I like how you've reviewed and weighed in on Right Response Ministries. I have a lot of time for Joe Webben, and I'm not even postmil or theonomist. Very graceful. Very generous and fair in his critiques and humble in holding his perspective.
According to bible prophecy, we are 100% in the end time season. We were told what to look out for. We were told what the 7 year tribulation will look like. This is the first time in history where every single prophecy has come to past, or has began. But most importantly, its the first time where it's all happening world wide, and at the same time. Since covid it's been back to back end time prophecy. I've dove very deep into this topic the past two years. What's most Biblical to me is everything setting up for the 7 year tribulation (which we have), a possible revival, the rapture of the church, the 7 year trib, then the 1000 year rein of Jesus. Love your content! I pray God has mercy, favor, and protection over you and your family.
I doubt it but hey I'm not about to say I don't wish you were right. 1000 years reigning with Christ doesn't sound half bad
You thoroughly misunderstood what JMac meant by winning and his prosperity point.
Ruslan will shoutout anyone who takes a position against JMAC. Its kinda gross, especially when he openly admits that he doesnt even understand Joels main thesis.
Boom!
Great postmil exposure! Just a heads up, the term is Theonomy, not theonmony as you pronounced it before.
Joel Webbon also said [last year] that women shouldn't have the right to vote, so.... 🤷♂
Keep in mind ,I both listen to and love both you and McArthur (and Voodie Bachman).
Finally someone who honestly says they aren't sure and that all camps make compelling points. It's OK to not understand something
NT Wright has one of the best views on how to view the physical and spiritual and is worth having his views brought into this conversation, too!
Great take Ruslan
This was a VERY intriguing watch!
Ruslan it would be so great if you could get Joel on your channel. Love this cross over if nothing else. Great work!
Amen to that guy. He gave me revelation of that "gates of hell" verse. I never thought about it that way for some reason.
Preach.
This pastor just lit a fire in me. Let’s go!!!!
Mike winger patiently pulled apart this doctrine and he could not defend the human aspect of enforcement of theonomy without sounding like a revisitation of Catholic inquisition....
When someone mentions Darby I know they haven't done their homework on premil
I worry about people like this...they are brilliant but incomplete and are winging it as they go along... knowledge puffs up but Wisdom is patient humble because of what it has not yet grasped...
Julie Roys had a guest who was an ex employee of John MacArthur, and it saddened me to hear how he takes advantage of his situation to glean financial rewards from his employees contributions. I feel dissonance if I don’t realize his organization is more of a business than a church…
The Americanized gospel, “Join team Jesus and win”. The blessed hope isn’t the rapture, it’s the second coming it’s self.
My brother noticed that his name was bigger on the study Bible than the word Bible 😅😂ops
Also,McCarther won in the suprime court. He won his covid battle
I respect MacArthur for presenting a sober biblical reality rather than a prosperity gospel. I’m the opposite to @BlessGodStudios. I actually respect MacArthur for doing this regardless of the fact he has personally done well financially. He has based his teaching on the bible not on his personal experience. People like Osteen and Copeland do really well financially and from that then think God has blessed them and that it’s Gods will for everyone because it’s happening to them. MacArthurs wealth and success doesn’t disqualify him from preaching the biblical truth that often Christian’s may be the losers of the world in this life because of their faith. The first will be last and the last will be first.
I guess MacArthur missed the verse about It is GOD that gives you the ability to gain wealth. Lol
@@AnitaSoler And yet the saints all were murdered poor.
this was good
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This is awesome! LOL!
McArthur does not mean individual wealth or the church collective wealth he means On an earthly level for all Christians. We lose the Earthly battle but win ultimately in the End. Victory is assured. That does not mean we stop the spiritual fight.
genuinely asking so I can better understand, what is the difference between theonomy and saying that we realize that every law being made assumes a sort of moral ontology then not wanting that to be biblicaly sound? I struggle with this idea because I cannot genuinely say that if I were elected into a position of power, would we as Christians not let our faith lead us in our law and decision making?
John Macarthur says those who believe will be taken up first before things get really bad. Then some will become new believers in that time period after the initial redemption (sort of like left behind). Might be taking it out of context.
I get more confused each day over the isms, the pre's and posts the this's and that's that cling to simple faith like a parasite. There is the spiritual side of faith, there's the secular side, and then there's we believers with one foot in each side. I don't care much for the secular side with it's legalisms, but one foots stuck here with those, I care lot's more about the other foot the spiritual side. Sorry to be crude, but discussions like these are too much like mental gymnastics.
Thank you for featuring pastor Joel @rightresponseministries
My problem with his view is that I feel like reformed people use this attitude anytime there’s any criticism towards their ministry or character. Then it’s like “we can’t win here, they killed all the apostles…” etc. like no, not all criticism is persecution.
Macarthur is calvinistic but not reformed he believes in the same soteriology as reformed but doesn't believe in covenant theology
And persecution isn't always proof that your theology is right!
I believe the church should be winning, but we're neglecting the great commission. The modern church has become very "self-help" oriented. Very "men centered. Not God and others centered. I believe the way the church is going to win is by losing. Dying to self just as Christ died for us. None of us are greater than our Master. If He did it for us, who are we to say that it is not our responsibility as Christians to lift up our cross.
*me-centered not "men
Can it be both? Paul said that if this life is all we have, we are to be pitied most among all men. David wrote, "Bless the Lord... who satisfies your desires with good things so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s."
The reason you should hold to it is the fact that premillenial dispensational theology is scritural.
Also, check out the work of people like Keith Gentry, David Chilton, Gary North, R.J Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen and Joe Boot. These people will give you a better understanding of Postmillennial eschatology and theonomy.
Amil Christians just sitting back watching the two groups fight 🍿
Because so few take that view seriously that they are rarely included in the discussion.
@@jonl7591 I’ve actually met some reformed and serious seminarians who are amill
Church history is not the same in all countries. The church of the ost (middle east) never involved in politics or taking control over people . Our church for example in Iraq never ruled or was part of the regime and we always felt it’s our church our home where we always go to whatever we do in bad and in good times our church was part of that. Btw our church never take taxes. Only the church in Europe.
Our church is not the same like your church and we love it because of that. That’s why I’m confused when I see the church in the west
Where's the entire video of that sermon? 🤔🤫
Context is key.
Not his net worth.
7:37 What's funny about that is we have Pastor's like Voddie making it clear that "nation" in the sense as speaking of Israel in The Bible may not mean the *literally nation* of Israel, but the people... We have more Jewish people in the United States than Israel has. As he points out, that's something to think about.
Yea I'm a Post-Milly and I don't believe "Winning" is about Wealth. I believe Winning in God's Eyes is Love Him, Love your Neighbor, and Save the Lost to grow His Kingdom in Truth. The only thing you can do with wealth to be Winning is use it to bring Glory to God and to help save more Souls for Christ. 😁👍
Narrow is the path and very few find it
And I would like to say this if I may. I understand what Pastor Joel is saying about "cultural wars", but those wars are undergirded by spiritual activities. So it is a spiritual war. Because we are not only dealing with belief systems that are constructed around the human intellect of man and man's human logic and reasoning, but cultural practices also have spiritual influences that back and support the belief systems that are built around cultural wars. It will always take The Most High's wisdom to deal with human issues or challenges and problems that manifest from the fallen nature of humanity. We are designed to move above the human nature because of the fact that it is fallen. Because if we pay attention to how The Messiah moved in His humanity and how He dealt with the humanity of man, He always approached them from the realm of His Spirit. And He brought resolve, answers and solutions to that area from the realm of The Spirit. He dealt with cultural issues from the realm of The Spirit. This is why He was able to give a healthy language to His humanity before others as well as relate to where man was in his or her humanity. Shalom
I encourage you to look more into covenant theology bc your definition isn’t completely accurate with the statement “different covenants for different people” that’s actually more dispensational but one covenant from beginning to end which is grace. Also, please look more into postmil bc the majority postmil believers including myself do not believe in the literal 1000 year golden age of the church but similar t Amil is that Christ is reigning now and the 1000 years are symbolic for the divine completion of the church age, the difference with Amil is that the kingdom, through the body which is the church, will spread over the world but it may take thousands of years (as long as it needs to). God is using the means of His body to sanctify the world.
Brother, I think you're misunderstand MacArthur. He's not talking about financial gains, he's talking about giving our lifes to Christ. And losing our heads in the government to come, it's not about money but the spiritual implementations.
I have listened to this guy... the application of theonomy leads to a tower of Babel in a sense... I listened to his debate, and he kept going in circles and had no true foundations...
Saying Christ wins through the church is saying that you don't believe he paid in full our debt that leads to hell. Jesus died while we were still sinners, the church has literally no power without God ALMIGHTY the Father by trusting the finished work Christ Jesus did. Even the power satan has comes from God, he can't work without the go ahead. The gates of hell will not prevail because we know without Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father, we are no good unrighteous sinners, only in Jesus do we have our righteousness. He overcame sin and death so we don't have to, we literally just have to trust and follow him through the gates. Love God love eachother follow Jesus and pray, love you all God bless you all!!!
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
Matthew 6:24
if i was a child that knew nothing about the specifics of all these doctrines, i would literally hope and believe that Christ was the hero that comes back to revived church. it just seems a more practical outcome for someone that we regard as the Redeemer. but i guess we'll find out soon enough.
I have disagreements with JMac, but this other guy seems to be presenting a pretty obvious straw man.
What is the obvious straw man? Correlating things JM said with defined streams of belief?
@@austin_penn Yes, I think so. He seems to know it as well. That's why he seeks to define things like "Gnosticism" in the loosest possible terms.
@@terryhollifield9343 I mean gnosticism is a loose term... it was used first to identify a religious sect, then to identify the beliefs of that sect, and now the evolution of it.
@ostrich but he seems to be using it an way that is inappropriately applied here. Can you help me see what I'm missing by connecting the dots he has but it a more clear way? I'm asking sincerely.
@@terryhollifield9343 I re listened and I agree he didn't do a great job at explaining how they correlate. But, I think what he is getting at is the idea that we "lose" or "win" spiritually damages how young men view their purpose. If the spiritual has already been won or lost then responsibility can be disregarded (and I don't mean that Christ isn't sovereign, because "win" is in reference to eschatology not Christology). So it would be gnostic in its approach to how we apply spirituality.
I will say this, I actually think Joel did a pretty bad job of explaining theonomy to Mike Winger. I like Joel’s theology for the most part, but he severely lacks in grace often times and I’ve had to stop listening to him because it was affecting how I thought about people that disagree with me.
I listened to this guys podcast one time when he reviewed the chosen and I couldn't watch more than 10 minutes because of all the false piety he gave off.. It REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. Hopefully it was a one time thing but man it was irking my spirit
That is pretty common among theonomy's guys. They drip condescension, they are fairly dry on any element of grace and kindness or humility in their speech.
Ruslan, in saying that "In every metric under the sun" JMac is winning, are you implying that all the billionaires in the world are winning in the sense a Christian would describe?
He was referring to the good against evil war here on earth… he is saying that it will take the return of Christ for Christians to win the spiritual war … I’m not sure I agree with that but none the less I don’t think he was referring to worldly success as winner / loser
Interesting topic, but one thing went on and on in my mind while watching this and that is John 15:20: “Remember the word that I said unto you: ‘The servant is not greater than his lord.’ If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also”. The reason why they’ve prosecuted our Lord and WILL prosecute us (or worse, perverse our faith) is because the prince of this world, Satan, rules it on a short leash. Until the end of times, when Satan will be unleashed and cause complete chaos. Jesus is building a church that will be able to withstand the temptations and lies that could corrupt it in those times. It’ll be the end of the world not because everyone will be evangelized living in a Christian utopia, but because it’ll be hell on earth which will be the causation for the rapture.
So yes we loose but we win knowing that the spread of evangelism gets us closer to the second coming of Christ, when everything will become anew. Until then let’s be steadfast in our faith
I've been calling out dispensationalists as gnostic for a while now. Felt like I was looked at as crazy every time I say it. First time hearing it from someone else.
Calling someone who believes in a physical tribulation, a visible millennium, and literal covenant blessings for the ethnic nation of Israel a gnostic does not make sense to me.
@@zaktan7197 something to think about maybe it’ll click one day. It’s just how I see it. I wouldn’t straight up call them gnostic ,but I see a gnosis tendency within the ranks. And on that gnosis I see a tendency to look down on “the outsiders”. Even to a degree where your looked at as a Heretic for not agreeing with the latest Van Impe type. I was raised around it but I know not everyone is as dogmatic about it. I just think if your speculating on something call it what it is nobody knows how the end is going to play out exactly.
Postmil! 💪
100% recommend everyone delve into Covenant Theology, and Church History. So fruitful.
Who cares if it works well with young men. We’re not selling a theology based on our comfort. To say that an argument is pragmatic when we are calling people to deny self and pick up a cross is a dumb way to think about reaching people. We present a very hard gospel and trust that the Holy Spirit opens up the heart.
To be fair, he addressed that later in the video
Just starting the video, but the first thing…it’s hard to take a clip and react to it without context. Even more so, y’all reacted to a reaction of a clip without context. Seems…weird.
When I hear JM say we will lose in this world, I kinda wanna go "N'yeah." Well in once sense you may say that. In the same way the world might mean it that is. But in Christ's upside-down world, it IS victory. Christ won the victory on the cross. What looked like loss, was in fact the greatest victory ever! If the church grows while being persecuted then that is victory. When a man is killed for his faith refusing to denounce Jesus, and clings to truth in the face of death, that is victory. When the world presses and pushes and the church doesn't give in then the church wins. When holding fast to Jesus, no matter the cost, is preached as victory, then that is a theology young men can and will get behind. And I speak as an A-Mill guy. To the world it will look like we have lost and will lose, but in the heavenlies and in reality the church wins, in this age and the next one.
Because a theology doesn't fit with the youth of today does that make it wrong🤷?. We don't take our desires to fit the gospel period, actually to every believer listen America will fall just like any major super power before it had Jesus is forever God .
Love your commentary on this. My opinion, Mac Arthur and Dearbon are right and wrong in some respects. Dearbon claims Christ must reign through our government. But I recall the Pharisees and zealots making that same interpretation of Isaiah's prophecy that blinded their minds about Jesus as the Messiah. The reign of Christ on earth will be totally done by Christ, not man. Otherwise the Apostles would've encouraged the Chruch to become Zealots like the Jews of that day.
Regarding MacArthur's view on "losing down here", he either miscommunicated his views or is missing the big picture. Not every Believer will be poor all their life. Every believer will go through some form of persecution. Some more than others. Just like we saw in the Churches of the NT. But to suggest that all Believers will be total slobs on earth isn't Biblical either.
People jumped the gun in a bad way, neglecting to think about time and that 2000 years haven't even passed. In 1980, we only crossed 1947 to 1950 years, which would be considered 1 and 9.4/10 of a day. Human error should be expected in such caliber of tracking because we might not have met a prerequisite quite yet.
Doing such calculations I think can be a slippery slope into either nihilism or perpetual sorrow or increase in panic evangelism, where it stipulates that those who have relinquished themselves over to Christ should be the calm amongst the panicking messes.
Joel has it in spades.
We're all losers. Everyone is going die. We are only winners in Jesus.
I agree with a lot of what Joel says but I find it ironic that, as a Calvinist, he says that God is at war with evil spirits over this world. It only makes sense to say God is 'at war' with other agents if they are acting against His will, but at best the Calvinist can only say they are acting against His 'prescribed will' all the while fulfilling his 'decreed will'. Spiritual warfare is a nonsensical concept on Calvinism.
'If you are losing steam, stoke the fire' (Say something controversial) 🔥
Preaching a theology that “works well” to this generation is not what we are suppose to do. We are to present the Gospel exactly as Jesus did, not making it more appealing by candy coating, watering it down or changing it to accommodate any group.
Not a very good debate. Pastor wasn't ready and picking out the extreme examples, and didn't express his arguments clearly. I think his point about equal time spent on women vs men is not relevant for a youtube channel. I would say if we're discussing the church, it is a relevant discussion. I've not heard his longer form content to address other issues, but I'd assume if he supports Rollo there are a few. I will say Ruslan and John did minimize the mega-church & media's influence on smaller churches. Saying these churches are goofy isn't addressing their influence and impact. What happens today is that the youth are connected to the mega-churches even if they don't attend those churches. All we have to do is look at the music played in church, and you'll see that Elevation & Hillsong have more influence than their denomination or church doctrine. I'd say the mainline churches have accepted modern concepts that aren't aligned with the Bible, such as Feminism and that has had a negative impact.
We are all winners and losers in terms of our day to day life as humans. We have our moments. As for our spiritual life, we've lost much, and winning is a lost frontier. We either choose God or an eternal damnation with Satan. If you choose God, do everything possible to know Him and walk upright in your faith. If you choose the latter, then do nothing.
I appreciate this video so much, but seven mountain mandate is all NAR, not post mil.
Dispensationalism
means dividing the right books and the right verses to right time period and right people
I cannot help and think about the times the Lord rebuked Peter on multiple occasions. #1 for drawing his sword when he made an attempt to "protect" Jesus, and #2, when Jesus predict his death, that Peter tried to rebuke him. We have many moments during the trial of Jesus when He could've made a divine call to have the angels come and destroy each individual who opposed Him before the cross, yet He doesn't. Rather, Jesus had an angel bring strength to His provision than fight a carnal battle. In all instances, according to scripture, Jesus will never change His response about His will being fought spiritually. Paul says, the weapons of our warfare are not carnal", so in fact there isn't a fight to fight here, except we persevere to the end. We are instructed clearly through Scripture that "we ought to keep our minds on things above and not on the earth" -Col:3:2.Jesus prayed, "Your Kingdom come. Your Will be done on earth as it is in heaven" -Luke:11:2. Jesus taught that the believer should be awake, "watching and praying" because His return would be as the thief in the night. Not one stone will be laid upon another, everything will be destroyed, and all those who won't believe who are the sons of perdition will be thrown into the judgement that has always been reserved for them. Lastly, "If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed" -1 Cor:16:22. This verse says a lot about the war that all humanity will lose here on earth, and this includes the believers in Christ whose reward will be eternity with the Father, and the Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ. To all true believers and faithful disciples, watch and pray!
I'm premil but I am curious to what the prospective of the beast and false prophet along with the nation Babylon has to do with with post or amill. Perhaps prospectives on the seals, trumpets, and bowls.
I never really studied eschatology and have little interest. Like you, I think it changes nothing regarding salvation. We all work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I do believe Dr. McArthur was taken out of context here (slightly) and other people already made those comments. I am impressed with Pastor Joel's response but not the straw man he assumes for JA. I agree Christians should be involved with politics, but I don't think it's going to get better before Christ comes as the OT shows the nation of Israel gradually falling away time and time again. (I don't think the Asbury 'revival" was nothing more than a social media extended worship session.) Sure people got touched and encouraged. I hope people came to the altar and the Son was revealed and received by many. But there really was nothing miraculous about it. (This is coming from someone who does not believe in Cessation.) Time will tell. God is faithful and may His Son be glorified.
Theonomy is a lot different than standard post mil.
I lean toward a pre-trib but at the same time I am not fully convinced just because it is still a young belief and around the 1800s there have been popups of different theology, religions (aka cults), and fancies from all over the spectrum. Also titans of the faith like Charles Spurgeon don't believe in a pre-trib. The early fathers were convinced Jesus will return but without the whole doom and gloom just straight to the judgement part. But it shouldn't be any our concerns despite what your stance is on it either, we should just spread the gospel and make disciples and live out our salvation. If a a rapture happens then it happens if not then whatever it doesn't happen. Why do arguments like these divide the church more? How can we call ourselves the church if we are shooting our own wounded by one method calling each other false teachers just because of one thing we don't agree with. The world sees the church as a laughing stock because it hates Jesus why is the church giving them more ammo to mock us and go further away from Jesus? Oh yes.. pride. Pride in our own theology, traditions, denomination, intelligence, but mostly our own fragile egos.
Shalom men of God and many blessings to you both and to your beautiful wives and families (personal/ministries).
I get where the man of God Pastor MacArthur was going with his message. And I also understood what the man of God Pastor Joel was expressing.
But Pastor MacArthur have to understand that things like persecution, revilings, mockeries, and martyrdom uphold the power of Jesus Christ's testimony as the One who conquered sin, darkness, and the enemy satan and his kingdom.
Because He conquered on this level, believers are able to win and conquer and express the enemy's defeat through their persecution. Persecution carries the glory of The Most High. So there is no way that a believer who is being persecuted can identify with a posture that is in a losing position. The cross itself give voice to the conquering nature of Jesus Christ and The Godhead. And it is that same cross we are to bear while moving through this life with The Messiah. We win on this side of life because The Messiah conquered and won.
This conquering nature that we give reflection to, especially in the midst of persecution, is the very nature that bears record of the regeneration process that His gift of redemption is responsible for. Our process alone unveils how we are able to reproduce The Most High's image through our lives. And without the conquering nature of Christ which is also in His gift of redemption, we could not give language to the victory He came into through His sacrifice on the cross. So persecution and martyrdom carry the sound of Jesus Christ's victorious win. And when believers experience persecution for Christ's sake, The Messiah tells us to rejoice, because we are blessed when we go through that. And to be blessed on that level is a validation that Jesus' victory is present and very real within that persecution. The power of His victory is speaking for Him through what we suffer for His name sake. So I hope that the man of God can see it from that perspective. Because this life in The Messiah unveils how His victory is seen through our lives within the two realms we are expressing His life from, which is the earth realm and the spirit realm.
And speaking of expressing His life between two realms. We will always be spirit beings first. And that has everything to do with the fact that we originated from the spirit realm first before giving language to the human nature. The human nature does not have the right to express the natural world without the spiritual make up of man. The human nature has to be subject to our spiritual make up in order to give a divine expression of the humanity we originally were born to identify with.
If we pay attention to the earth and all of creation, all of it is giving language to the life that identifies with Spirit and with the spiritual realm. The earth alone and the beauty that is in it holds revelation of the immortality of The Most High and how mankind was created to give language to this same existence.
The earth was created with an imagery of Heaven. If we take away all of the sin and all of the chaos and destructive behavior patterns of satan and mankind, we will see that the earth was created by The Most High so we could give a pure language to His life from The Spirit. We were always designed to move in this fashion. Our human nature is designed to give expression to divinity.
When The Most High told The Godhead, let Us make man in our image, that is exactly what He meant. We are suppose to express the realm of the Spirit in everything that we do. This is the only way we can give a pure reflection of the life that The Most High and The Godhead identify with. We cannot pick and choose when we are suppose to walk in the realm and life of The Spirit. Even when dealing with people who are bound to dark spirits, we face those experiences from the Spirit and not from our flesh and blood. We were entrusted with that assignment to give language to the original realm we express life from which is the realm of eternity and Heaven. We are suppose to do that in every world and environment we step into. The Messiah established the pattern and blueprint for us to follow. His human nature expressed divinity. This means that He allowed His human nature to be lead and governed by His Spirit. He was able to relate to our fallen nature because of this divine order. This is why He is perfect and His perfection carries a different excellence. We have to read The Word of God for what it is. The patterns and the blueprints in the scriptures are there so we can understand what The Most High expects from us and what He deeply desires for us to experience with Him. We cannot keep robbing ourselves of the life changing experiences we are suppose to be engaging in as well as releasing in the earth to others. We are suppose to let people see what Heaven and The Kingdom of God looks like in the earth through our lives. Because as I have shared in the past, we are sojourners just passing through here. This earth is not our real home. This earth will be destroyed with fire. We are here to fulfill our Father's will in the earth before The Messiah's return. And yes we are suppose to engage in governmental affairs. That is biblical. We see certain offices of The Kingdom of God interacting with earthly governmental structures, such as the office of the prophet and prophetess, and the office of the apostle. God Bless you and thank you for allowing me to share this with you. Shalom
I stopped listening to John MacArthur awhile ago, just more opinionated lately then biblical.
yet… here you are… watching Ruslan lol
Same here. Sitting on his throne telling everyone they’re wrong.
@@kevbo7733 so, what are you implying? I subscribe to his channel.