metalmessenger Agreed...I actually started off with a pair of 101 hi-hats and a ride way back in the late 1970's when I was about 11 or 12...lol. They are actually ok. (well the old ones anyway).
Paiste cymbals are finished with wax at the factory, nothing acidic should be used to clean them. If you do not care about wax, use Twinkle copper bottom pan cleaner found in most any larger grocery store. I recommend doing this in a bath tub. Apply cleaner to cymbal with supplied sponge, both sides and let the cymbal sit for a few minutes and then rinse. Wash cymbal with Dawn dishwashing detergent, rinse with warm water and dry. When dry, apply Pledge furniture polish for protection. In my 55 years in drumming, this is by far the best method I’ve found Enjoy!!! ps, this will remove inked logos, I just work the cleaner around the logos, not on the logos..
Question anyone? I have Sabian-cymbals that are made of all "Bronze" and NOT Brass,so will either of these techniques (ketchup or coke) in any way,"harm" the shine and/or finish of them since it's Bronze and NOT Brass? Thanks.
It's all about acidity. Ketchup (acetic acid from vinegar) and phosphoric acid in the Coca Cola. The pH of table vinegar (5% acetic acid) is about 2.4 and the pH of Coca Cola is about 2.5. Both are relatively similar, but there are additional acids in ketchup like citric acid and a minute amount of ascorbic acid from the tomatoes. I would soak my cymbals in a vinegar bath that's a tad diluted after cleaning the oils from all the cymbal chokes and handling that occurs with a bit of Dawn dish detergent. Soak for about 45 minutes in vinegar (totally submerged), rinse, dry, and then spray with a light protectant like WD40 or silicone. Finish by wiping away the residue and voila, renewed cymbals without too much erosion. You're not going to get a mirror finish like with polishing, but you will maintain more of the darker tones of a factory K that come from all the roughness of the surface. Peace, love, drums.
I cleaned a slightly damaged and dented (but since repaired by me) 20" Zyn China-like cymbal, probably from around 1960, silver bronze (that's bronze with nickel). For those who don't know Zyn: this was a Premier brand, they started in 1950 and closed down in 1984. The cymbals were made in England, and were pretty good. I bought mine as part of a lot, mainly toms and hardware. It was as dirty as a cymbal can get. I used VIM (yes, VIM), mixed with some Dreft (any dish washing liquid will do). I scrubbed it with a nail brush. It's only after the cleaning that I decided to repair, I couldn't evaluate the sound before that. What a great sound this cymbal has!!. I finished it with a machine polishing, a wide felt roller on a drill and some fine polishing paste. Great cymbal to look at, and even better to listen to. I don't use it on my drum kit, it's one of my top percussion cymbals. BTW, the centre hole was too small for modern cymbal stands, it was around 6.5mm. That's another clue for its age.
How did this video ending up with a 1 : 3 ratio of negative votes ? The guy explains how to clean cymbals with very cheap stuff and with no elbow grease. He shows that it actually works . He speaks clearly, in a language easy to understand for most, where is the problem ? Anyway, I am the thumbs up number 281...and thank you for sharing !
Cool. Just note that different alloys react differentially. And for cymbals that are not too old- remember that every manufacture uses a different material as a protetive layer. This might end with some staining. With more more expensive cymbals you better try first, whatever your using (including cymbal cleaner fluid), on the inner side of the bell. In
Paiste cymbals come from the factory with a coating. I keep mine waxed with Meguiar's NXT 2.0. If they're used, and trashed, I use ColorX, which is a strong cleaner wax.
Ok, for all the haters out there. Yes, these cymbals are inexpensive compared to others. That fact doesn't matter. They can serve a purpose for the sound they make. I have a total of 15 different cymbals for my kit. A mixture of Zildjian, Sabian, Meinl and a custom made, one of a kind matching Wuhan Chinese high hats. Made specifically for me, hand delivered by a very good friend of mine who toured the factory and purchased them for me. To me, they are PRICELESS! Guess what? I clean all of my cymbals with SoftScrub and WATER. 😨 As long as you dry them thoroughly, they're fine. Don't freak out over them getting wet. Just think of all the marching bands out there in the rain and snow. Just dry them. BTW, I've been playing for 45 years now.
@@kierenmoore3236 - I'm sorry. They really are the best. My cymbal set up these days are: • Sound Formula 14" Heavy Hi Hats • Alpha 13" Medium Hi Hats (I'm ditching them for 2002 13" Soundwave Hi Hats soon) • Signature Series 20" Dry Ride • Signature Prototype 19" Full Crash • Signature Series 16" Fast Crash • PST X 18" Swiss Thin Crash • Innovations 10" Splash • Signature Reflector 10" Splash • 3000 10" Splash • Rude 18" Novo China It's the best, and most expensive (by far) cymbal set up I've ever had. I worked for it though. I used to play professionally, so I had a lot of cymbals. I sold all my Paiste 1000, 2000, Alpha, 2002, 802, a well as some Sabian AXX, Zildjian Avedis and Meinl Classics. I sold everything except the my Sound Formula 14" hats and the Signature Prototype 19" crash. Adding those eight cymbals to my two was a about $1500. I want to start playing live again.
I always used Brasso on my Zildjian cymbals and NEVER touched them with my bare fingers. When I was still playing, they had a mirror finish. I cringed every time you grabbed onto yours, but hey, they're not Zildjians so no harm done. :-)
The ketchup actually worked very well for me. I used it on an old Zildjian Earth Ride. They are not easy cymbals to clean. My cymbal was terribly oxidized. I had to let both sides set to 30 minutes each twice per side. Granted I used 1/3 of a bottle of Heinz ketchup. I chose Heinz because it was on sale.
In the 50+ years I've been playing percussion, I have always depended on Never Dull or, in a pinch, Barkeeper's Friend. ...save the ketchup for eating.
WOW! Thanx for all those who have watched and left some great comments, stay tuned as for my next video I will be using some normal kitchen products to clean my cymbals with - A scouring pad and scouring powder, I hear they get them real shiny. Thanx for watching.
I use something called 'Twinkle Copper Cleaner'. It is a non-abrasive paste type product you simply wash off the cymbal with warm water, apply the paste in a thin even layer, wait a couple of minutes, then wash it off with warm water and dry the cymbal completely. There is a foam applicator included which can be used to lightly scrub the cymbal as the material is applied. This material works excellent with both sheet B8 and cast type B20 cymbals. It will not remove printed logos and since it is non-abrasive no damage to surface of cymbal and seems to leave a bit of protection on the metal. It will remove dirt, oxidation, and finger prints. Keeps my cymbals nice and shiny.
What actually works is Barkeeper's Friend. Lightly with the grain to avoid scratching. I wouldn't do it to new shit but if you have some older stuff, it works pretty fucking well. It will snag the logos so be careful
I wonder what vinager and some baking soda would do with just a little bit of elbow grease. That's how I safely clean old coins. Gets years and years of old dirt and grime off after soaking over night and using an old tooth brush.
The thing is Paiste and many cymbals are clear coated, so until you buff through the clear coat, not much will change. You clean off the finger prints. One through the clear coat, you can buff, but B8 alloy will tarnish brownish black. B20 retains a nice look with occasional touch up.
Ketchup looks like a try. I started using toothpaste on my drums recently and see good results on the shells finish covering light scratches and shiny Cymbals are newer but it was good to remove stick marks trying toothpaste a little bit. Ketchup is next. You are Correct about scratches and tone changing after using abrasive cleaner. It's because the abrasive metal cleaners remove metal as well as oxidation.
Please keep in mind, the Paiste 101's are brass and not bronze- ketchup works great for brass but if you have a finished bronze cymbal there are other methods that work a little better to preserve the finish. Nice video though!
Yes, ketchup does clean most of the top dirt and oil stains, but some deep oxidation from oils from your fingers or sweat that falls on them do tend to need a little light buff to get those out. great thing about using cola and ketchup that they won't take off any printed logos from your cymbals. some of the high-end cleaners will. So for the $ you can't beat this.
interesting test mate. thank you for your time and results. they are received with gratitude from fellow musicians alike. ps-enjoy an occasional coke a cola, its a good drink.
I bought a product 15 years ago called Shine On cymbal polish.It came in a tin and looks like cotton wool but smells a bit like gun oil.This is by far the best product i've ever used as it's non abrasive unlike the "cream" type cleaners that have minor abrasive tendencies(Think Paiste cleaner in the orange bottle/zildjian cleaner in the black bottle) so your logo's stay intact.As you only take a "pinch" of it to clean each cymbal i still have half a tin left all these years later
The common thread between these two ingredients is a very diluted acid. Citric and Phos. It is the acid that is doing the work. I have even heard of Lemons being used. Folks, please use an approved cymbal cleaner. The ingredients are precisely measured and consistent.
A damp rag is all you should use. The best way to devalue an old K for example is cleaning it. Patina adds character to the cymbal. But then again these cymbals suck no matter what you do to them
+Progamez4u lol. Patina adds character to the cymbal as well as value to old Turkish K cymbals. To clean dirt, Coke or whatever and still preserve patina use a baking soda vinegar mix. Make it into a runny paste, the consistency of wall paper glue but a bit runny and gently clean with soft cloth. Both vinegar and baking soda enhances the natural patina, it won't remove it. But the gunk will be gone leaving a nice clean bronze finish
+Progamez4u I forgot to mention that you need to let the paste dry on the cymbals after lightly cleaning with cloth. Say a couple hours then rinse with warm (not hot) water and dry with bath towel
Guys, it's just an acid reacting to a oxidized metal. You don't need tomato ketchup or coke, or lemons. Just put your cymbals in water with a few tablespoons of vinegar. Same effect.
Vinegar, lemon juice, baking soda and a soft scrub pad...30 minutes and a good buffing with micro crystalline wax...Brand new look...And they won't smell like a salad...
for years i use lemon juice only and i cover them all when i dont play so no dust stay on them with humidity, no need to clean them very often with those 2 tricks
I want to use the ketchup method for my cymbals, but I really wonder that can there be any damage for the cymbal logo over it? I dont want to erase logo as I like them otherwise it will look like a piece of junk metal, anyways any reply would be great, thanks.
very nice even though ive never bothered to clean cymbals. ive actually heard the coke company uses coke to clean their machinery. i might try the ketchup sometime. i wonder if it does anything for the green tarnish?
I'm from the old school - my K's and A's are as shitty as hell....they all have a great timbre. I decided to clean one of the A's; what a mistake, the tone of the cymbal opened right up and no longer sat with the rest of my cymbals. I know they look grubby but I love their more rounded sound Loved the vid, but sorry, I wont be cleaning my metals!!!!
Or just use Bar Keepers Friend. Apply like the ketchup. Cheaper also! I just did a set of hi-hats and it took me less than 10 mins... and they were pretty tarnished, too.
The ketchup may work a bit better the Coke, but 30% Lemon Juice, & the rest water works MUCH better. Just did that and was very surprised at the results. (& less of a smell than ketchup and/or vinegar). Can even cut a lemon in half and wipe it down with the lemon itself. Then rinse & dry off thoroughly.
when i did the ketchup one it looked great for a day or so and then the cymbal turned an weird red tarnished color? so i ended up scrubbing it and got it off but left it scratched....not sure what happened but i wouldnt recommend doing it
The vinegar in the tomato sauce is what did the cleaning as it is a mild acid. Next time try vinegar and salt as this cleans copper very well but be careful, do not let that mix stand too long.
Elvin Jones would have given you a good argument...his old K's were cleaned on a regular basis. You're statement is flawed brother, dirt clogs the grooves and actually takes away from the sound characteristics of the instrument. After all you wouldn't leave your old vinyl records with crap on them would you?
well i wouldn't use this method on my vintage K series full set from the 60's i'd never clean them it loses their value, but okay if your into using cheaper cymbals like those hi hats
Rub a little wd40 on them when your done and you'll never have to do this again. All I have to do is use a clean cloth to wipe them down and then another coat of wd40. Takes 5 minutes.
Coca Cola is a good paint remover also. Tomato Sauce is new to me, interesting. The only thing I will say to higher end cymbal owners like Paiste Signatures, is Paiste does use a protectant over the finish so using their Paiste Cymbal Cleaner is best to not remove that. Some products are so toxic they can remove the protectant and blast stain the cymbal. A product called Groove Juice was a major culprit of destroying finishes on cymbals years ago. I have no idea if they are still around today, but I saw that work and determined it was similar to STP used as a rust remover on metals.
Paiste makes a cleaner that is specifically designed for their cymbals based on the metals they use to make them. But since you’re using your own method on Paiste 101 series cymbals, is really doesn’t matter.... There’s an old saying, “you can’t polish a turd”...
Nice ideas....I’m lazy enough to try it....Also, for all the picky people on here who think a cymbal is easy to break/ruin.....It’s brass people.....Brasso and all the other cleaners are so harsh you would freak out if you knew what’s in it.....Ketchup is a mild acidic and so is coke....It’s probably the most gentle of substances you can use on your cymbals. Did you guys not pass Chemistry 101??? Good job mate!!!! Nice idea and a good way to extend the life of your cymbals.
WARNING : Dont leave the ketchup on the cymbal for more than 20 minutes. The ketchup will turn green and then green stains and a blurr will be left on the cymbal's surface. Also dont try eating the ketchup on the cymbal with fries it doesnt taste good.
Though the tomato in the ketchup has some acidic properties, it would be the other ingredient, vinegar, which may have been had the more active role for cleaning. I often use vinegar with baking soda to clean the kitchen, the bath, and appliances. Perhaps it will also work well on cymbals. At least it will cost less than ketchup.
I dislike when people put down a good bottle of refreshing Coke nothing wrong with it it's just a drank I know it's not good for you but it tastes good to me
is it okay to use vinegar in cleaning cymbals?.. i dont know wat to use in cleaning our cymbals.. i dont have much money thats why im seeking for the cheap one that dont change the sound of our ziljan.. im just scared of trying because it might ruin the sound of our cymbals..
conocí formas raras y técnicas para limpiar platillos...pero esta realmente me liquidó. te recomendaría usar aceite fino en aerosol, una pequeña capa y luego le pasas un trapito suave... y ademas te queda una capa de protección y por favor nada ne agua...
This messed up my ziljian zxt crashed it turned all black marks all over the place and it isn't good antways bc it damages the cymbal every cymbal has a certain finishing and this is very bad for it
If you are incredibly lazy as this video is geared towards then I suppose the Ketchup thing would work. before 0:16 and after 4:02. I'm guessing there are quite a few products that would give the same result. Personally...I use nverdull which is absolutely amazing. It does take off the factory coating and the print eventually but if you want you cymbals to have a gold shine it's the way to go and with not that much elbow grease.
if youve got a really dirty and oxidized cymbal use toilet bowl cleaner. the reason the ketchup and coke sort of work is because of the acid in them. toilet bowl cleaner has phosphoric acid and it eats away everything. unfortunately say good bye to your logos. but you would not believe its the same cymbal afterwards. like it just came off the lathe. note, wear gloves , apply the cleaner generouslt to a towel and then apply to the cymbal. it doesnt take long maybe a minute or two.
As someone who was unfamiliar with the concept of cleaning cymbals with food and beverages, this was quite a surreal watch.
You're going to be playing and randomly say "Why do my drums smell like a Mdonalds". This is why.
man, the bottle of coke was worth more than the 101's...lol
and still the 101's are better than the pst3
metalmessenger Agreed...I actually started off with a pair of 101 hi-hats and a ride way back in the late 1970's when I was about 11 or 12...lol.
They are actually ok. (well the old ones anyway).
Yes very funny
I tried the bottle of Coke what a joke it does not work should have drank it
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA COUGH COUGH
Paiste cymbals are finished with wax at the factory, nothing acidic should be used to clean them. If you do not care about wax, use Twinkle copper bottom pan cleaner found in most any larger grocery store. I recommend doing this in a bath tub. Apply cleaner to cymbal with supplied sponge, both sides and let the cymbal sit for a few minutes and then rinse. Wash cymbal with Dawn dishwashing detergent, rinse with warm water and dry. When dry, apply Pledge furniture polish for protection. In my 55 years in drumming, this is by far the best method I’ve found
Enjoy!!!
ps, this will remove inked logos, I just work the cleaner around the logos, not on the logos..
You say tomato, I say tomato, fuck that doesn't work online.
haha
jumpingjehosafad You say ketchup, I say catsup. That works online.
Question anyone? I have Sabian-cymbals that are made of all "Bronze" and NOT Brass,so will either of these techniques (ketchup or coke) in any way,"harm" the shine and/or finish of them since it's Bronze and NOT Brass? Thanks.
Thanks guy,but I've already tried those products and they didn't amount to much of anything!!!
It's all about acidity. Ketchup (acetic acid from vinegar) and phosphoric acid in the Coca Cola. The pH of table vinegar (5% acetic acid) is about 2.4 and the pH of Coca Cola is about 2.5. Both are relatively similar, but there are additional acids in ketchup like citric acid and a minute amount of ascorbic acid from the tomatoes. I would soak my cymbals in a vinegar bath that's a tad diluted after cleaning the oils from all the cymbal chokes and handling that occurs with a bit of Dawn dish detergent. Soak for about 45 minutes in vinegar (totally submerged), rinse, dry, and then spray with a light protectant like WD40 or silicone. Finish by wiping away the residue and voila, renewed cymbals without too much erosion. You're not going to get a mirror finish like with polishing, but you will maintain more of the darker tones of a factory K that come from all the roughness of the surface. Peace, love, drums.
Ketchup contains a surprisingly high number of different acids. Tomatoes alone contain around 10 types of acid.
I'll try the vinegar and the tomatoes. I've got some old cymbals I can experiment with. Thanks for your advice people. 👍
I cleaned a slightly damaged and dented (but since repaired by me) 20" Zyn China-like cymbal, probably from around 1960, silver bronze (that's bronze with nickel). For those who don't know Zyn: this was a Premier brand, they started in 1950 and closed down in 1984. The cymbals were made in England, and were pretty good. I bought mine as part of a lot, mainly toms and hardware. It was as dirty as a cymbal can get. I used VIM (yes, VIM), mixed with some Dreft (any dish washing liquid will do). I scrubbed it with a nail brush. It's only after the cleaning that I decided to repair, I couldn't evaluate the sound before that. What a great sound this cymbal has!!. I finished it with a machine polishing, a wide felt roller on a drill and some fine polishing paste. Great cymbal to look at, and even better to listen to. I don't use it on my drum kit, it's one of my top percussion cymbals. BTW, the centre hole was too small for modern cymbal stands, it was around 6.5mm. That's another clue for its age.
Next time throw them in for 50 mins at 375° then season to taste.
So...tasty paistes?
😂😂😂💀
How did this video ending up with a 1 : 3 ratio of negative votes ? The guy explains how to clean cymbals with very cheap stuff and with no elbow grease. He shows that it actually works . He speaks clearly, in a language easy to understand for most, where is the problem ? Anyway, I am the thumbs up number 281...and thank you for sharing !
coz no one wants to use these methods on cymbals that cost more the $10
Because I like mustard and relish on my cymbals too!
tomato paiste?
Richard Rosenthal haaaaaa
nice! ahaaha
Richard Rosenthal
Da dum tiss
Har har har !!! LOL
thank god they were paiste 101s..
Cool. Just note that different alloys react differentially.
And for cymbals that are not too old- remember that every manufacture uses a different material as a protetive layer.
This might end with some staining.
With more more expensive cymbals you better try first, whatever your using (including cymbal cleaner fluid), on the inner side of the bell.
In
Paiste cymbals come from the factory with a coating. I keep mine waxed with Meguiar's NXT 2.0. If they're used, and trashed, I use ColorX, which is a strong cleaner wax.
You should have used a hamburger bun to spread the ketchup around instead of the brush.
Ok, for all the haters out there. Yes, these cymbals are inexpensive compared to others. That fact doesn't matter. They can serve a purpose for the sound they make.
I have a total of 15 different cymbals for my kit. A mixture of Zildjian, Sabian, Meinl and a custom made, one of a kind matching Wuhan Chinese high hats. Made specifically for me, hand delivered by a very good friend of mine who toured the factory and purchased them for me.
To me, they are PRICELESS! Guess what? I clean all of my cymbals with SoftScrub and WATER. 😨 As long as you dry them thoroughly, they're fine. Don't freak out over them getting wet. Just think of all the marching bands out there in the rain and snow. Just dry them.
BTW, I've been playing for 45 years now.
^ Can't afford any Paiste
@@kierenmoore3236 - I'm sorry. They really are the best.
My cymbal set up these days are:
• Sound Formula 14" Heavy Hi Hats
• Alpha 13" Medium Hi Hats
(I'm ditching them for 2002 13"
Soundwave Hi Hats soon)
• Signature Series 20" Dry Ride
• Signature Prototype 19" Full Crash
• Signature Series 16" Fast Crash
• PST X 18" Swiss Thin Crash
• Innovations 10" Splash
• Signature Reflector 10" Splash
• 3000 10" Splash
• Rude 18" Novo China
It's the best, and most expensive (by far) cymbal set up I've ever had. I worked for it though. I used to play professionally, so I had a lot of cymbals. I sold all my Paiste 1000, 2000, Alpha, 2002, 802, a well as some Sabian AXX, Zildjian Avedis and Meinl Classics. I sold everything except the my Sound Formula 14" hats and the Signature Prototype 19" crash. Adding those eight cymbals to my two was a about $1500.
I want to start playing live again.
A, I was joking …
B, Certain Meinl cymbals are my favourites, tho’ I like some Paiste, amongst others …
Rock on.
I did this and I'm very impressed thanks ignore all the negative
I always used Brasso on my Zildjian cymbals and NEVER touched them with my bare fingers. When I was still playing, they had a mirror finish. I cringed every time you grabbed onto yours, but hey, they're not Zildjians so no harm done. :-)
that ketchup cost more than the cymbals
Boy do I know I own a pair
Paiste cymbals are for beginners
@@robertboyle5370 having had these 101 hi hats I thought so too. Then I got a 24" Paiste Big Beat Ride and DAMN that is an amazing pro cymbal.
@@robertboyle5370 Stagg is for beginners...
@the machinist no i have real cymbals avedis zildgian from the 1970s.
The ketchup actually worked very well for me. I used it on an old Zildjian Earth Ride. They are not easy cymbals to clean. My cymbal was terribly oxidized. I had to let both sides set to 30 minutes each twice per side. Granted I used 1/3 of a bottle of Heinz ketchup. I chose Heinz because it was on sale.
Lol i better buy that oh wait, it was 5 years ago :
In the 50+ years I've been playing percussion, I have always depended on Never Dull or, in a pinch, Barkeeper's Friend.
...save the ketchup for eating.
Looking forward to cleaning now! Can't wait till tomorrow to try this out
WOW! Thanx for all those who have watched and left some great comments, stay tuned as for my next video I will be using some normal kitchen products to clean my cymbals with - A scouring pad and scouring powder, I hear they get them real shiny. Thanx for watching.
Organic ketchup and NOT drinking Coke. Kudos to you sir.
I use something called 'Twinkle Copper Cleaner'. It is a non-abrasive paste type product you simply wash off the cymbal with warm water, apply the paste in a thin even layer, wait a couple of minutes, then wash it off with warm water and dry the cymbal completely. There is a foam applicator included which can be used to lightly scrub the cymbal as the material is applied. This material works excellent with both sheet B8 and cast type B20 cymbals. It will not remove printed logos and since it is non-abrasive no damage to surface of cymbal and seems to leave a bit of protection on the metal. It will remove dirt, oxidation, and finger prints. Keeps my cymbals nice and shiny.
I mean, if I was playing cymbals that shitty I'd be doing this kinda shit too.
I've messed with a couple paiste cymbals that weren't complete shit
What actually works is Barkeeper's Friend. Lightly with the grain to avoid scratching. I wouldn't do it to new shit but if you have some older stuff, it works pretty fucking well. It will snag the logos so be careful
I wonder what vinager and some baking soda would do with just a little bit of elbow grease. That's how I safely clean old coins. Gets years and years of old dirt and grime off after soaking over night and using an old tooth brush.
The thing is Paiste and many cymbals are clear coated, so until you buff through the clear coat, not much will change. You clean off the finger prints. One through the clear coat, you can buff, but B8 alloy will tarnish brownish black. B20 retains a nice look with occasional touch up.
Wtf man, just pay for cymbal cleaners.. don't fuck up ur cymbals because this is cheaper.. btw cymbal cleaners are not even expensive
Ketchup looks like a try.
I started using toothpaste on my drums recently and see good results on the shells finish covering light scratches and shiny
Cymbals are newer but it was good to remove stick marks trying toothpaste a little bit.
Ketchup is next.
You are Correct about scratches and tone changing after using abrasive cleaner.
It's because the abrasive metal cleaners remove metal as well as oxidation.
Well done on doing the comparison, very good idea and thanks for posting your video. I see that your logos were unaffected, great quality cymbal.
I've always used a buffer and some Nu-Finish or Turtle Wax car wax. It makes them shine better than new.
Please keep in mind, the Paiste 101's are brass and not bronze- ketchup works great for brass but if you have a finished bronze cymbal there are other methods that work a little better to preserve the finish. Nice video though!
Yes, ketchup does clean most of the top dirt and oil stains, but some deep oxidation from oils from your fingers or sweat that falls on them do tend to need a little light buff to get those out. great thing about using cola and ketchup that they won't take off any printed logos from your cymbals. some of the high-end cleaners will. So for the $ you can't beat this.
interesting test mate.
thank you for your time and results. they are received with gratitude from fellow musicians alike.
ps-enjoy an occasional coke a cola, its a good drink.
Ketchup makes crappy tasting burgers taste nice. What a shame ketchup cannot have the same effect on crappy sounding cymbals! :-(
I bought a product 15 years ago called Shine On cymbal polish.It came in a tin and looks like cotton wool but smells a bit like gun oil.This is by far the best product i've ever used as it's non abrasive unlike the "cream" type cleaners that have minor abrasive tendencies(Think Paiste cleaner in the orange bottle/zildjian cleaner in the black bottle) so your logo's stay intact.As you only take a "pinch" of it to clean each cymbal i still have half a tin left all these years later
That's identical to Nevr-Dull
Thanks for the advise, just a little note, keep in mind that the alloy of your cymbals have a lot of bronze since is the most cheap series of Pasite.
The common thread between these two ingredients is a very diluted acid. Citric and Phos. It is the acid that is doing the work. I have even heard of Lemons being used. Folks, please use an approved cymbal cleaner. The ingredients are precisely measured and consistent.
People stick with cymbal cleaner if you care about your cymbals.
A damp rag is all you should use. The best way to devalue an old K for example is cleaning it. Patina adds character to the cymbal. But then again these cymbals suck no matter what you do to them
+Progamez4u lol. Patina adds character to the cymbal as well as value to old Turkish K cymbals. To clean dirt, Coke or whatever and still preserve patina use a baking soda vinegar mix. Make it into a runny paste, the consistency of wall paper glue but a bit runny and gently clean with soft cloth. Both vinegar and baking soda enhances the natural patina, it won't remove it. But the gunk will be gone leaving a nice clean bronze finish
+Progamez4u I forgot to mention that you need to let the paste dry on the cymbals after lightly cleaning with cloth. Say a couple hours then rinse with warm (not hot) water and dry with bath towel
Um I Dont Have Cymbal Cleaner And I Cant Find Any
*****
We dont have guitar center in australia And Cymbal cleaner In The one Muisc Shop Thats Not 1 Hour Away is like 38$
Use Cillet Bang, spray on leave a couple of minutes wipe off job done.
Guys, it's just an acid reacting to a oxidized metal. You don't need tomato ketchup or coke, or lemons. Just put your cymbals in water with a few tablespoons of vinegar. Same effect.
Once the wax is in place, all you need is a wipe down with Meguiar's Quick Detailer, then a shot of quick wax to boost protection.
Vinegar, lemon juice, baking soda and a soft scrub pad...30 minutes and a good buffing with micro crystalline wax...Brand new look...And they won't smell like a salad...
for years i use lemon juice only and i cover them all when i dont play so no dust stay on them with humidity, no need to clean them very often with those 2 tricks
Use vinnager after for best results and a little salt.
I want to use the ketchup method for my cymbals, but I really wonder that can there be any damage for the cymbal logo over it? I dont want to erase logo as I like them otherwise it will look like a piece of junk metal, anyways any reply would be great, thanks.
very nice even though ive never bothered to clean cymbals. ive actually heard the coke company uses coke to clean their machinery. i might try the ketchup sometime. i wonder if it does anything for the green tarnish?
I'm from the old school - my K's and A's are as shitty as hell....they all have a great timbre.
I decided to clean one of the A's; what a mistake, the tone of the cymbal opened right up and no longer sat with the rest of my cymbals.
I know they look grubby but I love their more rounded sound
Loved the vid, but sorry, I wont be cleaning my metals!!!!
I have to agree, the best way to clean your cymbals is not to.....
Are there no acidic fluids available which aren't filled with sugar? Lemon? Vinegar?
Or just use Bar Keepers Friend. Apply like the ketchup. Cheaper also! I just did a set of hi-hats and it took me less than 10 mins... and they were pretty tarnished, too.
Ok. Now let’s go grab a byte to eat eh?
I have old set of silver hi hat Pastes cymbals that are metal stamped w/ The lugwig logo ie paste in the logo Any help out there?????
Should I do that with my Colaiuta Modern Essentials? I‘m not sure really
The ketchup may work a bit better the Coke, but 30% Lemon Juice, & the rest water works MUCH better.
Just did that and was very surprised at the results. (& less of a smell than ketchup and/or vinegar).
Can even cut a lemon in half and wipe it down with the lemon itself. Then rinse & dry off thoroughly.
when i did the ketchup one it looked great for a day or so and then the cymbal turned an weird red tarnished color? so i ended up scrubbing it and got it off but left it scratched....not sure what happened but i wouldnt recommend doing it
can i use mustard and pepsi instead? ....or mayo and dr.pepper?........or relish and beer?
Thanks man it works :)
Are u serius?
If coke cleans the grime right off a cymbal imagine what it’s doing to your insides..
You know what happens?
Nothing: Stomach acid: "Hold my beer."
The vinegar in the tomato sauce is what did the cleaning as it is a mild acid.
Next time try vinegar and salt as this cleans copper very well but be careful,
do not let that mix stand too long.
Elvin Jones would have given you a good argument...his old K's were cleaned on a regular basis.
You're statement is flawed brother, dirt clogs the grooves and actually takes away from the sound characteristics of the instrument.
After all you wouldn't leave your old vinyl records with crap on them would you?
Depends on who the vinyl is of...lol
Does the tomato trick work on the rest of your kit too?
One tube of Flitz, a rag for application and another for buffing, some time and they will be like mirrors.
"Hi guys! I have some cheap arse cymbals to experiment with! Woo!"
well i wouldn't use this method on my vintage K series full set from the 60's i'd never clean them it loses their value, but okay if your into using cheaper cymbals like those hi hats
Would you get the same result with straight vinegar?
I cleans me cymbals with rancid polecats. Leaves 'em bright 'n' shiny, and keeps the drunks off me kit while I'm on breaks!
What's the cost got to do with how shiney they are?
Awesome video man
Is there something wrong with Brass polish?
Rub a little wd40 on them when your done and you'll never have to do this again. All I have to do is use a clean cloth to wipe them down and then another coat of wd40. Takes 5 minutes.
Coca Cola is a good paint remover also. Tomato Sauce is new to me, interesting. The only thing I will say to higher end cymbal owners like Paiste Signatures, is Paiste does use a protectant over the finish so using their Paiste Cymbal Cleaner is best to not remove that. Some products are so toxic they can remove the protectant and blast stain the cymbal. A product called Groove Juice was a major culprit of destroying finishes on cymbals years ago. I have no idea if they are still around today, but I saw that work and determined it was similar to STP used as a rust remover on metals.
Groove Juice is a mainstay used to clan cymbals by virtually every drum tech on the road with every major act in the world.
Paiste makes a cleaner that is specifically designed for their cymbals based on the metals they use to make them. But since you’re using your own method on Paiste 101 series cymbals, is really doesn’t matter.... There’s an old saying, “you can’t polish a turd”...
Thanks Men. Very Good!
I buy small bottles of lemon juice and rub it in with cloth or a sponge, leave it to set for just a few minutes and then rinse, does the job too.
Nice ideas....I’m lazy enough to try it....Also, for all the picky people on here who think a cymbal is easy to break/ruin.....It’s brass people.....Brasso and all the other cleaners are so harsh you would freak out if you knew what’s in it.....Ketchup is a mild acidic and so is coke....It’s probably the most gentle of substances you can use on your cymbals. Did you guys not pass Chemistry 101??? Good job mate!!!! Nice idea and a good way to extend the life of your cymbals.
he used some tomato Paiste on the Paiste cymbal lolz...
anyway, nice vid man.
WARNING : Dont leave the ketchup on the cymbal for more than 20 minutes. The ketchup will turn green and then green stains and a blurr will be left on the cymbal's surface. Also dont try eating the ketchup on the cymbal with fries it doesnt taste good.
I left the ketchup half an hour... After the rinsing and drying they were covered in white... O_o
I think a cymbal cleaner is the best choice.
I waited 30min and 1 thin crash got white after i cleaned it and a heavy ride got pretty shiny, so less than 20 min for thin cymbals i guess?
use OXALIC acid and water, or you can get it at Home Depot under the name brand Savogran.
Tomato paste is a really powerful cleaner. In a restaurant, hard to clean pots get used to make tomato-based sauces. The pots come out really clean.,
Though the tomato in the ketchup has some acidic properties, it would be the other ingredient, vinegar, which may have been had the more active role for cleaning. I often use vinegar with baking soda to clean the kitchen, the bath, and appliances. Perhaps
it will also work well on cymbals. At least it will cost less than ketchup.
Thanks so much! You rule dude.
No friegues ¿por que le hechas agua?
Man,now I'm hungry!! Gonna order a pizza and coke.
Dont ever do that again with your cymbals, and defenitly not under water
why not?
Michael Boykin very damaging to the cymbal, just buy cymbal cleaner from music store and follow those instructions, this is a terrible way to clean.
Using water to clean cymbals is perfectly fine. Just dry them off really well.
is there any disadvantige? i am woried about my cymbals! srry for my bad english
+spike i don't have an answer, but your english is great! just work on spelling, and that's it!
I dislike when people put down a good bottle of refreshing Coke nothing wrong with it it's just a drank I know it's not good for you but it tastes good to me
Would raw tomato sauce do it or coffee instead cola?
A tetra brick of raw tomato sauce is some cents and some coffee too
Daddy's sauce is The One. Accept no substitutes.
Omg I just can't, I can't.
is it okay to use vinegar in cleaning cymbals?.. i dont know wat to use in cleaning our cymbals.. i dont have much money thats why im seeking for the cheap one that dont change the sound of our ziljan.. im just scared of trying because it might ruin the sound of our cymbals..
i'll just cut the lemon? then rub it into the cymbal?.
Carlos Asuncion i'll just cut the lemon? then rub it into the cymbal?. does the lemon wont ruin the sound of the cymbals?
+jojo sanguillosa vinegar in the ketchup is what's cleaning the cymbal.
+Homer Simpson thank you for the information Bro.!
conocí formas raras y técnicas para limpiar platillos...pero esta realmente me liquidó.
te recomendaría usar aceite fino en aerosol, una pequeña capa y luego le pasas un trapito suave... y ademas te queda una capa de protección y por favor nada ne agua...
Or you can use brasso. I never have or never will clean mine. Just preference though.To each his own
How to cleaning cymbals with the coca cola 😂 very good method
Or you could use cymbal cleaner....
is it okay if i use tomato Paiste?
I wonder if chef boyardee ravioli is okay?
What is this man doing
Weren't you a little bit worried about the black lettering coming off?
This messed up my ziljian zxt crashed it turned all black marks all over the place and it isn't good antways bc it damages the cymbal every cymbal has a certain finishing and this is very bad for it
Relish, mustard, and onions with the ketchup is what you needed!
If you are incredibly lazy as this video is geared towards then I suppose the Ketchup thing would work. before 0:16 and after 4:02. I'm guessing there are quite a few products that would give the same result. Personally...I use nverdull which is absolutely amazing. It does take off the factory coating and the print eventually but if you want you cymbals to have a gold shine it's the way to go and with not that much elbow grease.
if youve got a really dirty and oxidized cymbal use toilet bowl cleaner. the reason the ketchup and coke sort of work is because of the acid in them. toilet bowl cleaner has phosphoric acid and it eats away everything. unfortunately say good bye to your logos. but you would not believe its the same cymbal afterwards. like it just came off the lathe. note, wear gloves , apply the cleaner generouslt to a towel and then apply to the cymbal. it doesnt take long maybe a minute or two.