Dr. Grande you're the best! I wish you could speculate about what's going on in my life and the lives of my family members! You'd need a month of videos for that! I have learned so much from watching your videos about narcissism, personality disorders, etc. I'm also true crime junkie so your channels cover everything! If there's one you tuber I have to watch single every day, it's you! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your sense of humor with us!
I have had several as pets and they were all quiet but one. I tried to walk that one on a leash, once. 😳 It screamed so loudly I thought it was possessed and I don’t believe in possession. I never did that again and he remained silent the rest of his life. He was a domestic rabbit but obviously not that domestic. 😂
@@MooseGuy1 LMAO truth! i have one rabbit - super sweet boy but when he parties he binkies and jumps like its a cluster of rowdy kids and cats lmao XD those angry thumps are also insanely hardand loud XD but i never heard of outdoor rabbits causing a rowdy commotion. wild rabbits are usually way more skittish and elusive.
Jeremy was Sheilas biggest problem. Jeremy was NOT liked by any of Neville & Junes friends. So it is not surprising that they ALL thought Jeremy was guilty.
The devil is real like Jesus! If demons are real and You can watch them the others are real too. Hiding makes the devil unreal and he can be the king on earth until yet! Jesus cries still!
This reminds me of that case you did in Australia where the son killed the whole family, and that delusional, retired, rugby player somehow convinced a lot of people that the son was innocent. It also involved a [suicide] by rifle that had a silencer found in the house later. The killer was found NG in the appeal trial, the complete thing was a bad joke of a justice system.
Jeremy Bamber is continually appealing... there was new evidence or loophole or development recently. I think he was guilty 'in reality ' so hopevhe stays inside. A personalty assessment of him would have been interesting
It does sound like a strange system. Didn't that case get overturned because of some ongoing links to the UK justice system, with judges in London overturning the conviction?
I have analyzed every member of my family as well as diagnosed ALL of them. They couldn’t handle the truth! The speculating is over. Thanks Dr. Grande!
Sounds like you are having delusions of grandeur with narcissistic tendencies thinking you are qualified to diagnose anyone based off brief analysis RUclips videos.
It's AMAZING that you find the time to research these subjects in such great detail, Doctor. If YOU ever hear rabbits, you will hear, "Ehhhh..... What's up, Doc?" 😆
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@@tyreseforren6721 Police logs show that the father called the Police, then his son who then made a 2nd call to the Police before going to the farm. He was framed by the Police who themselves concluded at the start it was murder suicide by the paranoid schizophrenic sister who just came out of hospital who told her dr she had thoughts to kill her children. Whatever else does not matter as this is proof Jeremy was outside when things were happening.
The Coroner said his sister Sheila had no marks on her - then when the crime scene photos are finally released, we see he was clearly lying. Look at her right arm/wrist. She has deep gashes consistent with her being grabbed by another woman. But why would Sheila and June be fighting if Jeremy was holding the gun. A simple swab of June's fingernails would clear up if she was fighting with Sheila - sadly the whole family was cremated!
I lived 2 miles away in the next village. It was a very hot, humid night. You’d expect bedroom windows to be open, especially in a remote farm house. Bamber set up the whole thing.
I lived in Heybridge and new the G & T Club that Neville and Sue were members of, had a Judge, Senior Army General, Senior Military attache, the GP as members they KNEW it was Jeremy 100%.
Hello Dr Grande, have you thought about analyzing the case of the death of the French diver Audrey MESTRE ? Her husband, a well-known diver, is suspected to have planned her murder but is free as a bird since she died on her last dive in 2006. Thank you.
@@chrissyknowsitall5170 NO! The White House Murders are about Joe Biden The White House Farm Murders is about Jeremy Bamber Murdering his Foster Parents, Foster Sister and her Twins.
Here in the UK, this is still deemed one of the most divisive cases in our history. Definitely one of those cases where I flip and flop between both sides of the argument....
My late husband worked for Essex Police, so I know a bit about this one. The silencer, that the police missed but the extended family found later, was covered in blood. The fact that the family's blood was on the silencer didn't crack the case but the fact that Shelia's was, proved she couldn't have shot herself. The police put the silencer on the end of the shotgun and forensics discovered that this made the shotgun far too long for Sheila to put it to her own head. She was quite tiny, if I remember, about 5'2" , and her arms just weren't long enough to fire the shotgun at herself. If she didn't kill herself, then she was murdered, along with her entire family. This forensic evidence, combined with Julie Mugford's testimony, and Jeremy's motivation and failure to account for his whereabouts, contributed to his conviction. It's generally regarded as an open and shut case, and the right man is in prison. Jeremy Bamber wrote to my husband frequently regarding his conviction, and when my husband found out he was dying, he said, "Thank God, I'll have never have to hear from Jeremy Bamber, ever again".
@@alyb6166 Researchers in America proved that she wasn't too small to have shot herself with the rifle and the silencer; that's been explained. In fact at the trial of Jeremy Bamber the defence was improperly denied evidence and he wasn't even convicted of ANYTHING forensic; the judge made it clear to the jury that they would have to accept either the personal testimony of Jeremy Bamber or Julie Mugford, and they chose Julie Mugford; the same Julie Mugford who was jilted, sold her story to the News of the World for tens of thousands then fled to Canada. Jeremy Bamber had no incentive to murder his family for money because he already had money and the assets he would have received; namely the businesses, were already part of his own income. His maternal grandmother was far more wealthy and would have given him the lion's share of her will; yet when he was convicted she struck him off and his cousins (who testified against him) ended up very wealthy people as a result. JB will probably die in jail because if he ever got a re-trial he would win hands down; in which case it will be a shock to the system for both the courts and the police; the biggest travesty of British justice since the hanging of Timothy Evans and allowing John Christie to slip through the net. JB shouldn't be in prison.
Great work Dr.Grande as thorough as ever. I remember this case when I was very young , it happen very close to my home, a stone's throw away. It was a horrible crime. I have never been torn Jeremy was the one who killed them I have no doubt I have read a lot about Jeremy and his personality definitely was extremely entitled and bordering on sociopathy in my own opinion. Thanks for another interesting u.k case. We don't have much gun crime here!
What a horrific and multi layered case! Your telling of this had me rewinding several times. You put together the most compelling content, Dr. Grande! ♡
I had not heard of that & as I spent a lot of time in that area years ago I looked it up - how terrible! What a nightmare for the kids who saw it all. Yes, Dr. Grande, your analysis please.
My closest friends live just south of San Carlos, California, in nearby Redwood City. When the news broke about this *horrific* murder, one of my friends shouted, "Just WTF is WRONG with people today?!" I mean, it's just ABSOLUTELY SICK that the young female victim was killed in such a manner.😡😤 Now, her little ones will grow up without their mommy...sigh.😭💔😔
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for your speculation on this case. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about the Bell Tower Sniper Charles Whitman from the 1960s
Yes, that was the first crazy murderous episode that I remember. About the same time a young man was kidnapped in Sacramento and never found. As 2 men were escorting him down the street, they passed his uncle and the young man called him by name which wasn’t the usual name he used. I wish the uncle would have responded, but the 2 men had a gun. If you’re going to be killed, better it be in downtown Sacramento than who knows where. 😢😢
I originally thought the title said, *Jamie* Bamber Case Analysis. I was like, "Shit, did Lee Adama get busted trying to kill someone _at The White House_ ....?" Glad to see Apollo actually had nothing to do with any of this madness. He's got enough on his plate, eluding the cylons. So say we all.
Yes the issue I have is the phone company has no record of the phone call from the farm. So if that is the case he's guilty. You have vast experience as a Doctor but here you surprise me with your view. Someone like Jeremy Bamber his personality , He gets off on it telling the girlfriend winding her up scaring her bringing his boy friend into the equation. ( He is in contempt with girlfriend doesn't really like women underestimates her thinks she too scared to say anything fear for own safety )see the overdoing the emotion thing at funeral then straight off to party of all places Amsterdam. Come on surely the personality of this individual coupled with lack of phone record makes him guilty. The sisters behaviour is very disturbing however the fact that Jeremy Bamber just happened to be shooting all afternoon with that gun and leaving it out loaded that is no coincidence. The window latch for years again that is no coincidence. The old man would not make a call to the son in the night while daughter was busy shooting everyone I the house.
@@harpothehealer He states no records were kept at 11:02. Edit: as for billing, it was done on a per-minute basis in 1985, with different rates for local, national and international calls. In fact fully itemised billing wasn't introduced nationwide in the UK until 1994.
Hey Dr. Grande💞 I'm super curious to hear what you think about this case. Thank you for the new video. The quality and consistency of the content you put out is absolutely amazing and astounding. Thank you so very much.
Getting my cuppa to watch this one…. I have always been split about this case… the relatives seemed like they were big time after the farm .. and the police seemed ??
I was on the fence for a while with case, but now I am completely convinced Bamber is guilty. Here are some reasons: > He told a friend he could murder his family by burning down the house. When confronted by this, Bamber simply dismissed the friend as lying but couldn't give any reason the friend might be lying. Bamber's response was simply "go ask him (why he would lie)". Not really a believable denial. > Bamber's ex GF corroborated this story, but said he decided against it because there was too much valuable stuff that'd get destroyed in the fire. I believe she corroborated this without knowing the friend had given the statement. > When accused of murder on the witness stand, Bamber responded to the prosecutor "that is for you to prove" - seriously, what kind of innocent person responds like that? > The main reason I think he's guilty, is that Jeremy Bamber comes off like a COMPLETE SOCIOPATH. Just reading about his personality, behaviour and the things he said and the callous way he acted, I have no doubt he belongs in prison. For example he spent his way through his inheritance after the murders and then attempted to sell nude/topless modelling photos of his dead sister to the press. > I also want to add that Grande is wrong - it can't have been a 3rd party, because Bamber rang the police to say his father rang him to say it was Sheila. Either A) Bamber is telling the truth about the call and Sheila must be the murderer, or B) Bamber is lying about the call and HE is the killer. A 3rd party can't really come out of that scenario. > Rot in prison, Jeremy. > /Rant over.
Your certainty makes your opinion _less_ convincing, not _more._ We just don't have enough information to be that certain. Often people close to these cases can't be certain so whenever I see these comments where someone with no access to the case file, witnesses, police etc and they claim to know, it carries very little weight with me.
@@aarondavis8943 well the fact that he's not coming out of prison following the evidence being tried infront of a jury and all his attempts at appeal having been found to have no merit is good enough for me!
I’ve never seen this case. Even on any of my British true crime channels. Thanks, Dr. for talking about it. Very interesting and lots of evidence that can lead to different conclusions.
Love this video Dr. Grande. You should make more videos discussing crimes and criminals from the UK. This video was great 👍. I’d love to hear your take on the “shared madness” between Ian Brady and Myra Hindley the famous Moors Murderers.
It immediately occurred to me that having a sister that crazy could cause a person to speculate that they could blame a lot of things on her, including murder.
As oppose to the fact she was absolutely guilty. She wasnt just crazy, she was a violent schizophrenic who threatened to murder her boys frequently and was very abusive. Ockams razor , you fool.
Psychotic people kill for no obvious reason & female psychotics can & do kill even though widespread public opinion cannot cope with that fact because they want females to be something many females are not!
It occurs to me you guys just swallow a police narrative. The original evidence and police logs show the police decided to frame Jeremy. Shows 2 calls were made to them, 1 by the father at 3:26am, and then again by his son at 3:36am, between which the father had called Jeremy. They destroyed evidence and the bullets and did no forensics. 3 guns were actually used, and no silencers were used at all. Why would Jeremy or a hitman leave a silencer in the gun cupboard as evidence? On entering the farm the Police were happy it was murder suicide, as Jeremy was outside with them when their Police logs show they were in communication with Sheila who was moving around the house at 3:45am. Also, these UK rifle bullets were low calibre, and are not lethal bullets unless shot in the head - hence why sheila shot many times.
@@cookiemonster7514 .22 is quite lethal at short range, BUT in the UK at that time 'subsonic' cartridges were commonly sold to use with silencers because a 'supersonic' bullet makes a sharp crack once in flight rather destroying the point of using a silencer, so it is entirely likely that all silencers (& there were more than one) are a complete red herring because at close range firing the rifle would simply produce a 'thump' noise & not a 'crack'.
Yes yes yes yes this is just near where I grew up in Essex I remembered this growing up. The police station was in our little town... there have been developments recently 🍿🍿🍿thankyou so much Dr Grande and please analyse Mic Philpott sometime 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
Excellent Dr. Grande. The police "saw" someone in the house but waited hours for their swat team to arrive. Since they were all dead the police needed glasses. Police did not want themselves to be hurt by the unknown spectre in the house. Terrible police work.
Wasn't Jeremy Bamber standing outside the house with the police when a person was seen moving around in the upstairs room? And isn't there a set of evidence photographs with Sheila being placed in various positions whilst holding a rifle? Some have pointed to the fresh blood on her. It has tracked down her body through gravity, raising the question whether she was actually dead or not at this point.
@@christinestanding Yes right on the money, but who planted the silencer in the Cupboard after the Police searched it once and whoes fingerprints were on it, he would have been out by now if he just I did it, but no he say it was not me who got the farm after the case just follow the money.
I have not read about the case, but it sounds like he had a very strong motive for committing the crime. That alone would make it hard for me to rule him out, it's like he would be rewarded dramatically for getting rid of the core of all his problems. There is a chance he was a strategist and thought there was no way he could lose in the situation. Fascinating case and very helpful explanation and analysis.
Sometimes you just cant know. Especially if the police screw up the investigation. Literally the worst thing you can do at that point is pretend like you know anyway. That doesnt just apply to criminal justice. More or less applies to everything. Thanks Devils Doc🤣 another great video!
Jeremy 100% Guilty. Essex Police Inspector originally decided it was a simple case of Sheila was the murderer. A Sergeant disagreed and was warned about pursuing the case further. I knew that Jeremy was going to be arrested while he was still in Amsterdam, home of Illegal Drugs for UK supply by boat to Essex near Tolleshunt D'Arcy River Blackwater
As a very long time gun owner and been around those with mental episodes, nobody with an ounce of brains leaves a loaded gun anywhere near someone with her issues. Even for a minute, it is always on your mind.
I lived in the County of Essex at that time & it was a massive, UK media story - especially shocking as gun crime was very unusual. I've no doubt Bamber is guilty, the way he tried to frame his step-sister was particularly cruel. She apparently committed suicide by shooting herself twice, having killed her two sons & adoptive parents. Bamber had actually broken into & robbed the family-owned caravan site (which he owned 8% of!) some weeks before the murders. He boasted of smuggling heroin, broke into a Jewellers' & stole two watches - he was not a good man. It was thought that his adoptive father had violently struggled with someone in the kitchen; his adopted daughter was too slight to have done this successfully - overcoming a 61-year old. There was also a belief that the father might have been killed upstairs, & dragged into the kitchen. Because the Police believed Bamber was a victim, they actually agreed to his request to burn carpets & bedding. Why would Bamber want that done?! Finally, 25 shots were fired. A silencer with the daughter's blood inside it was found in a cupboard. She hadn't shot herself twice, then put it there! Bamber obviously used the silencer so no-one would know what was happening as he shot the victims, then removed it when he set-up the 'suicide'. This was because he realised his sister couldn't have shot herself in the throat with it attached: her arms weren't long enough.
What's wrong with the idea she shot herself twice? Also, a silencer doesn't make a gun silent, or even a great deal quieter. You'd certainly hear a "silenced" gun being fired in your house.
He’s guilty. His fellow privileged makes declaring him innocent are just as selfish as him. If it had a regular Essex person in trouble they wouldn’t bat an eyelid.
Jeremy is obviously guilty, plus if he told that cop he was going to buy a Porsche, that = life insurance money. If this case is actually hotly debated it must be between 2 people who think he's innocent and 2000 that think he's guilty, which, of course he is.
Good lord. People actually think this way. As if he couldn't have had independent plans to buy a Porsche, or simply have said he would like to own one.
Thank you so much for this video. I could not wait for you to give us the facts and your take on this case. I enjoy and appreciate your videos very much.
I've always been a little suspicious of the female cousin who just happened to find the silencer and also the loose window in the kitchen that she told the police Jeremy could have climbed out of. Very suspicious.
@@Emily_Gray73 he’s guilty. The cousins are odd but so were his adoptive parents. What are you implying? They did it? So the police call bamber made are therefore invalid? Your case has no logic. Unless they conspired with bamber which means they are all guilty
Although it cannot be comprehensive given the volume of evidence, I found this gentleman's analysis most impressive indeed. He gets to the bottom line correctly in my opinion and does not rely upon emphasising any particular events which purport to be a 'smoking gun' , but looks at the whole of the evidence. There are dynamic inconsistencies on both sides but he doesn't concentrate on them or use them in an argumentative way. Given that it is not his discipline, he has weighed it up as well as an experienced and talented detective or lawyer. 10/10
My friends younger brother has decided to not take his meds because he says God speaks to him when he doesn't take them, but he also thinks people are out to get him. Do you have any advice Dr. Grandep? I can't remember if his diagnosis was schizophrenia or schizoeffective, but it is definitely one of the two. Any advice you can give me Dr Grande would be very helpful.
Kyle - I can’t support Sunshine’s response of “respecting” the decision of somebody who has psychotic and paranoid features. If your friend and his family haven’t reached out to his treating professionals, then I would encourage you to contact them and advise them of his non-compliance. A lot of people think they can’t do this due to HPPA. They are wrong. You can Talk to treating professionals and give them information. The professionals CANNOT give you information. So it only works that way. Psychotic and paranoid is probably the most dangerous combination of psychiatric symptoms one can have.
@@kimbanz9818 he is more likely to be hurt by 1 of you. You wouldn’t force a cancer patient to take their meds. All you can do is support them or you will become the enemy and apart of their paranoia. When my cousin did this we had spiritual leaders visit with him and discuss the Bible. He was no danger to anyone because none of us denied him his right.
Suggestion to cover the case of Peggy Claude-Pierre who ran a house for people with anorexia and her own treatments (that failed and people died). Took place in Victoria BC Canada. There's a book "Anorexia's Fallen Angel" by Barbara McClintock and it was quite a scandal. When I was a waiter in the 1980s, Peggy was a regular at the restaurant where I worked. Just another interesting story for you to tackle
I'd be very interested in the Peggy Claude-Pierre case. I had to look her up and am absolutely horrified at what she did. She got innocent and desperate people to believe in her garbage and didn't even help them because she lacked the qualifications to do so.
Hello Dr Todd, I remember this case so well and I have to admit to being one of the people who thought Jeremy was guilty, although to this day he still proclaims his innocence. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that our police have done a less than stellar investigation, and I admit that that led to very mixed newspaper stories....which again didn't help Jeremy's case. There was just something shifty about him and I seem to recall that the girlfriend changed her story at least once. I'm actually no further forward with my decision, but I'm sticking with guilty by reason of looking shifty. Thank you for your insights as always. Penny from Christchurch. 🇬🇧
As we look around at the chaos fentanyl has caused, I think there will be a long line to file suit against the Devil for paternity. You've opened that door Dr. Grande!
Thank Dr. This one could possibly fall the other way. What I find strange adoptive mother has mental health concerns as well as the adoptee daughter both have been hospitalized more than once. So that tells me that the family is open to seeking help when needed. Soooo why didn’t anyone notice the adoptive brother was a killer. And why was his girlfriend quick to flip on him in exchange for her own freedom, but rat finks her boyfriend out at her first chance. But said zero until she could use it. That sounds fishy to me.
Their daughter was hospitalised for mental health, so someone should have noticed the son was planning on killing everyone? Not sure how that makes sense. Plus the reason the girlfriend flipped was covered in the video.
I've seen that Maury episode... 👹 "Satan, you are not the father!" Sorry, DNA proved that neither Sheila nor the twin boys were the devil's children. 🤷🏼♀️
Mm, "a mixture of blood from Neville and June" Could be June. In the 'last struggle' June could have shot the (adoptive) daughter dead. Being highly religious, the bible was always with her, so she managed to toss it between them. Perhaps Jeremy had strong vibes that June would turn violent - and left the loaded weapon on the kitchen table. This is such a haunting case.
THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY SENSATIONAL DR. GRANDE! 👏✨👏 Such a terrible tragedy all around… 😭 It’s really beyond fascinating to hear your case analysis! And your humor is so lighthearted! ✨🕊✨ Thank you so much for all of your hard work! BRAVO! 👏👏👏👏 👉 Really forward to your next video, as always! 👈
Great video, as usual, Dr.Grande. I was sure Jeremy did this until your last few points. This actually does point to Sheila being the killer. This is a mess. Nobody wins when you put a firearm in easy reach of people experiencing mental health emergencies. It's such a crappy organized murder site that it actually points more to Sheila doing awful things and then playing catch up to simply get herself ready to kill herself last. The weapon is a very small caliber standard hunting and target rifle that uses the 22 caliber long rifle round. The round is used for target shooting and hunting on farms, small game , like rats, squirrels, rabbits , birds ,coyotes, foxes and groundhogs. The reason for the silencer is so target and hunting shooting does not alarm anyone nearby. Sheila could easily remove the scope because the weapon was going to used at point blank range and the scope made the rifle harder to control and aim at point blank range with a silencer installed. Scopes can often be easily removed using as coin like a dime or a quarter. The silencer would allow her to kill her kids while the bedroom door was closed and not alarm her parents. 22 long rifle bullets are terribly ineffective at immediately disabling human beings unless of a very well placed repeated head shot or the heart is hit right away. Every bullet placement and the location the bodies were found absolutely matters in this case. The angles of the bullets through the bodies matter. A toxicology test on the two boys should have been done to see if their mom drugged them first so they would stay asleep as she killed them. The fact that 25 or 26 bullets were used means the ten round mag was reloaded three times potentially with 9 rounds to complete the murders....or that two other magazines, that usually people buy with these kinds of detachable mag rifles exist and were never found. They could have been thrown in the yard ,still there today , if the house still exists. This also points back to Sheila. The final double tap under Sheila's chin is definitely a way a person would kill themselves with this rifle and I have read of suicidal people shooting themselves with this very small caliber rifle numerous times and not dying right away. The ability to actually get that rifle under Sheila's chin like that with her alive would be extremely hard for a killer to do. Sheila was already mentally unstable and she might have well fought like hell to stay alive if Jeremy tried to use this rifle on her like that. Resulting in some very bizarre bullet angles through Sheila's brain and lower chin. An exactly almost identical upward bullet path points to Sheila doing this to herself. The repeated characterization by Sheila and her mother that Satan was in control of practically everyone in the house is very troubling. Damn shame we can't put Satan on trial. Jeremy ever gets a real good group of forensic defense attorneys to revisit this case ,he could go free. Driving slow is something some people do all the time regardless. The fact that Jeremy was in Amsterdam getting high afterwards might have been his idea of getting away from the madness that had just happened around him. If Sheila did do this, Jeremy knows just how lucky he was to not be there when Sheila went berzerk. As far as Jeremy's girlfriend, she saw a way out of numerous criminal charges by dumping her cheating boyfriend right on the polices lap. I also submit if Jeremy did the shooting each person would have died from head shots probably three each because this small, weak caliber demands several shots to be effective immediately. If Jeremy did this each shot would have likely been very close range with a burn mark on the skin of the victim. Body shots are a waste of time with this 22 long rifle weapon. Jeremy would already know this...Sheila would not. Plus the use of the rifle at the exact level that Sheila would hold it could be ascertained from the bodies and the wound channels. Jeremy was taller and the rifle would not be held at a certain up angle to shoot someone in the body or back. The length of the barrel traced by the wound channel back to where Sheila would be standing with it in her hands could clear Jeremy. Jeremy would have simply been holding the rifle , shooting into the body , at a much different angle. And as Dr.Grande said, there were other people with a financial reason to kill the entire family as well. As in Mr. "Gee, look at the silencer and scope I found that the police completely missed." Crazy + Satan + Firearms is never a good mix. Add in greed and it's an explosion waiting to happen. Just awful. Just.....awful. With a family as crazy as this , it is just better to never go home.
I read the first few pages of the scribed reference Dr Grande used. Jeremy wasn't driving slow, he was driving the speed limit, however the police were driving very fast, as they had authority to do so. When they were outside the house, Jeremy was asked if his sister could hurt someone, he said "I don't know....". He didn't say " oh yes, absolutely " as you might expect, if he was guilty himself.
@@tallblonde1976 Jeremy might have been the sanest member of the family and that played against him in court. People put aloofness and being reserved as being high and mighty and arrogant. Jeremy ,if innocent, would have thought ,why should I hold anything back. I did'nt kill anyone. We all should understand the police do NOT have OUR best interests at hand. We must protect ourselves from these kinds of situations by saying as little as possible without an attorney present. Jeremy would have much better served himself by saying, "Look officer, I don't know what's happened here but I must reserve my right to an attorney before I say anything else." This whole case is a mess and Jeremy seems to have been the chosen suspect from the start.
@@phillmaf7319 absolutely...who in the heck knows.....the body location as well as any blood spatter and it's direction would tell the tale but the Three Stooges apparently did the crime scene for the police on this. Jeremy sure acted odd afterwards but the whole family was odd
@Dr. Todd Grande Hello Sir, im a long time viewer and big fan, i like your work for my personal entertainment, but i also like your professional take on so many cases, people and situations. i was wondering if you could have a look on the case of Lima Jevremovic from AURA, her involvement with addiction patients like Bam Margera and others and also about her twin sisters (maybe separated from her case) Dahlia Tequali and Dia Tequali. The cases are really interesting to me (especially what happend to the twins since they had a good career) but also because the internet comments are so full of stupid conspiracy theories and false allegations that it isnt even funny anymore to read them. IMO many of these commentators need mental health therapy themselves LOL . Thank you for your work and all the best for the future.
The murderer was immediately apparent at the mention of ""heard some rabbits". You can't fricking hear rabbits. Except if they are being killed, then they reportedly have a terrible screaming sound. 😞
As always a brilliant depiction of a confusing case!! When you have time could you please review the anarchy documentary on HBO? I’m VERY curious to hear your take on that group of people!!!
Dr. G, would you be willing to explain the difference (if any) between schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder? My mom had schizophrenia and I’ve often wondered the difference between the terms. Thank you!
@@natekeyes2297 I know people with both schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder. I also know people who have been diagnosed with both at different times. I also googled them. Some Google searches say basically what I say, some say it a bit differently. So what do you disagree with me about?
Can you give us your opinion on the death penalty? You are such a great teacher I would love to hear your own opinion of it. Love your channel and love you. Keep up the good work and take care.
There’s a mini series called The Muders at White House Farm. Tells the story of the one detective who almost lost his job because he refused to stop investigating. He was the only one who thought jeremy was guilty.
That was the Sergeant who bothered to interview the friends of Neville and June. These people had no doubts, Jeremy 100% EVIL & GUILTY. I knew some of their friends. The Gin & Tonic, or Drinks, Club.
It's the same thing. An innocent Sheila renders Jeremy guilty by default. So if it was proven beyond reasonable doubt that it wasn't Sheila then it's proven beyond reasonable doubt that's it's Jeremy.
@@jackmartin4320 No it's not... Justice doesn't work that way. It's not because they don't have other suspects that by default another suspect has to be the killer... For starters Jeremy could have easily hired someone to do the killings. The police said themselves they saw a person moving in the house and called the "swat" team... I just feel in this whole debacle the police fucked up a lot that could give us much more clarity today... They key "witness" is his disgruntled ex-girlfriend. And the key piece of evidence was found by a family member, who also would benefit from Jeremy being convicted. Then that piece of evidence was mishandled in such a way that the DNA evidence that could provide us with crucial information was now worthless... Very simple. When "Neville" called Jeremy. Can we check did the phone ring and did someone pick up. It still doesn't make Jeremy innocent, but that fact alone kind of blows up the entire police case... You can't be at 2 locations at the same time... When I get my phone bill, I can easily see who I rang and for how long. And I know from experience that they can see if someone picked up the phone or not... Especially since in home phones there is no voicemail, usually. Jeremy could definitely have done it, but the evidence is jumbled and contaminated. You don't convict a guy for 5 murders with that kind of BS evidence. And don't get me wrong, I don't see a police conspiracy or anything. He is the prime suspect. But everyone is innocent until proven guilty. And he is "proven guilty" with very shady evidence. If this murder would happen today, we would have much more evidence and police conduct in and around crime scenes has become much more professional. It feels like a case of Police fucked it up, probably has the right guy, but their evidence is flimsy and their conduct of the entire operation was unprofessional.
It was usual to use low velocity 22 amunition in those days for shooting rabbits in which case the silencer is irrelevant & silencers do not silence high velocity supersonic ammunition because most of the noise happens after the bullet leaves the gun. The bullets are typically copper coated or greased so minimise lead transfer.
My Dad grew up on a farm that had a family murdered in it in a similar style. The parents and children were all shot and killed and the case wasn't solved until the uncle confessed on his deathbed. I don't understand how people can be so evil.
Fascinating and insightful, as usual. There was a documentary on Channel 4 (if I remember correctly) recently, that questioned the safety of Mr Bamber's conviction. There were too many points raised to go into here, (Dr Grande has addressed many of them) but perhaps the most significant was that the programme makers claimed to have discovered a Police telephone log record of a call from Neville on the night in question, saying that his daughter had gone berserk and had got hold of a gun.
If the magazine held 10 rounds but the last round was extremely difficult to load maybe she/he loaded 9 rounds in twice. It's worth noting 9 and 9 makes 18 which is how many rounds were reloaded.
The bullets get progressively harder to load the more you put in. The first one would be relatively easy and the tenth exceptionally hard. So, even putting 7 bullets in would be very difficult. It's one of those systems were if you get it wrong the whole bullets pings out and you have to start all over It's worth noting that Sheila had next to no gun residue on her hands and fingers supporting the fact that she didn't touch the bullets. Also Sheila had long fingernails that were manicured and unbroken. How could she load several bullets without chipping a nail? She had no experience in loading the magazine
Agree with most of what you say, but a couple of points - I think Sheilas expertise with firearms is over stated, I have always thought that Bamber may have had additional mags for the rifle which he discarded and were never looked for. I have used a very similar rifle, and the mags are fiddly to load especially in a high stress situation. They would have been cheap to buy and would not have required a FAC to buy them. As most gun people know that with a .22LR shot placement would matter greatly, which is why it took so many shots to down Neville.
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Dr. Grande you're the best! I wish you could speculate about what's going on in my life and the lives of my family members! You'd need a month of videos for that! I have learned so much from watching your videos about narcissism, personality disorders, etc. I'm also true crime junkie so your channels cover everything! If there's one you tuber I have to watch single every day, it's you! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your sense of humor with us!
Get up. Go to work. Come home, eat some dinner, watch Dr. G. Go to bed. Repeat. Lol
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He will just speculate about what maybe happening in a situation like your family
He will just speculate about what maybe happening in a situation like your family
Sad… I have never heard rabbits being too loud. They are generally quiet animals. Thank you 🤔❤🇺🇸
I have had several as pets and they were all quiet but one. I tried to walk that one on a leash, once. 😳 It screamed so loudly I thought it was possessed and I don’t believe in possession. I never did that again and he remained silent the rest of his life. He was a domestic rabbit but obviously not that domestic. 😂
I have rabbits around my house and can assure you that they party like it's 1999.
@@MooseGuy1 LMAO truth!
i have one rabbit - super sweet boy but when he parties he binkies and jumps like its a cluster of rowdy kids and cats lmao XD those angry thumps are also insanely hardand loud XD
but i never heard of outdoor rabbits causing a rowdy commotion. wild rabbits are usually way more skittish and elusive.
Jeremy felt bossed up like Elmer Fudd.
This has always been one of the sadder crime cases to me. The poor children, and Sheila suffering without help.
Jeremy was Sheilas biggest problem. Jeremy was NOT liked by any of Neville & Junes friends. So it is not surprising that they ALL thought Jeremy was guilty.
Sheila was under treatment. She had also not taken her psychiatric medication at this time.
Sheila's black and white portrait looks like Lynda Carter.
Completely irrelevant, but what a GORGEOUS woman.
Sheila was a successful model with her own apartment in London
Sheila did have some success as a model but the flat in London was bought for her by her parents @@trevorhart545
@@trevorhart545 She received that apartment from her parents if she agreed to marry her husband...
I think I have acquired something called Dr. Grande's Analysis Addiction.
Love your content and dry humour. Respect from Pakistan.
I have a friend in Pakistan. Please tell him hello.
@nancyjensen6409 Pakistan has 5 provinces, 200 cities, countless rural towns and 231.4 million people. Who is your friend?
Dr. Grande is the undisputed Champion of Dry Humor
“She believed the devil loved her… so it wasn’t just a casual relationship” 🤣 I laughed out loud at that one, doctor!
The devil is real like Jesus! If demons are real and You can watch them the others are real too. Hiding makes the devil unreal and he can be the king on earth until yet! Jesus cries still!
Jeremy spread many "rumours" about Sheila due to his jealousy and failures
The Devil was very close to her,unfortunately he was her brother.
This reminds me of that case you did in Australia where the son killed the whole family, and that delusional, retired, rugby player somehow convinced a lot of people that the son was innocent. It also involved a [suicide] by rifle that had a silencer found in the house later. The killer was found NG in the appeal trial, the complete thing was a bad joke of a justice system.
the Bain family murder, correct??
That was David Bain in New Zealand, not Australia.
Jeremy Bamber is continually appealing... there was new evidence or loophole or development recently. I think he was guilty 'in reality ' so hopevhe stays inside. A personalty assessment of him would have been interesting
@@RadzMexicano ..ok, New Zealand, bad joke of a justice system.
It does sound like a strange system. Didn't that case get overturned because of some ongoing links to the UK justice system, with judges in London overturning the conviction?
I have analyzed every member of my family as well as diagnosed ALL of them. They couldn’t handle the truth! The speculating is over. Thanks Dr. Grande!
😂🤣😂 I've done this years ago. No one believes me 🙄
🤗 that's funny
Sounds like you are having delusions of grandeur with narcissistic tendencies thinking you are qualified to diagnose anyone based off brief analysis RUclips videos.
Thank you Dr g your hard work doesn’t go unnoticed
It's AMAZING that you find the time to research these subjects in such great detail, Doctor.
If YOU ever hear rabbits, you will hear, "Ehhhh..... What's up, Doc?" 😆
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Thanks for the steady stream of videos Dr. Grande. Much appreciated. I would like to see your take on the life of Kaspar Hauser.
Hard to believe he's not guilty with the motives, gun on table. Always interesting facts, jokes, gun lessons. Thanks Dr G😊💚💚
He was found guilty and is in prison
@@tyreseforren6721 You're commenting 8 months later? Do you have a point? I'm not going to rewatch it.
@@zenawarrior7442 he was found guilty their was just enough reasonable doubt for him to not be convicted.
@@tyreseforren6721 Police logs show that the father called the Police, then his son who then made a 2nd call to the Police before going to the farm. He was framed by the Police who themselves concluded at the start it was murder suicide by the paranoid schizophrenic sister who just came out of hospital who told her dr she had thoughts to kill her children. Whatever else does not matter as this is proof Jeremy was outside when things were happening.
The Coroner said his sister Sheila had no marks on her - then when the crime scene photos are finally released, we see he was clearly lying.
Look at her right arm/wrist. She has deep gashes consistent with her being grabbed by another woman. But why would Sheila and June be fighting if Jeremy was holding the gun.
A simple swab of June's fingernails would clear up if she was fighting with Sheila - sadly the whole family was cremated!
I lived 2 miles away in the next village. It was a very hot, humid night. You’d expect bedroom windows to be open, especially in a remote farm house. Bamber set up the whole thing.
I lived in Heybridge and new the G & T Club that Neville and Sue were members of, had a Judge, Senior Army General, Senior Military attache, the GP as members they KNEW it was Jeremy 100%.
Hello Dr Grande, have you thought about analyzing the case of the death of the French diver Audrey MESTRE ? Her husband, a well-known diver, is suspected to have planned her murder but is free as a bird since she died on her last dive in 2006. Thank you.
I remember when this happened. HBO MAX has a 5 part series about it. This was a horrible murder. RIP 🕊🕊🕊🕊🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@Clay Can it's was pretty good show. Kinda slow at times but I liked it.
What's the title? I have HBO Max.
@@TheBOG3 The Whitehouse murders
@@chrissyknowsitall5170 NO!
The White House Murders are about Joe Biden
The White House Farm Murders is about Jeremy Bamber Murdering his Foster Parents, Foster Sister and her Twins.
Here in the UK, this is still deemed one of the most divisive cases in our history. Definitely one of those cases where I flip and flop between both sides of the argument....
My late husband worked for Essex Police, so I know a bit about this one. The silencer, that the police missed but the extended family found later, was covered in blood. The fact that the family's blood was on the silencer didn't crack the case but the fact that Shelia's was, proved she couldn't have shot herself. The police put the silencer on the end of the shotgun and forensics discovered that this made the shotgun far too long for Sheila to put it to her own head. She was quite tiny, if I remember, about 5'2" , and her arms just weren't long enough to fire the shotgun at herself. If she didn't kill herself, then she was murdered, along with her entire family. This forensic evidence, combined with Julie Mugford's testimony, and Jeremy's motivation and failure to account for his whereabouts, contributed to his conviction. It's generally regarded as an open and shut case, and the right man is in prison. Jeremy Bamber wrote to my husband frequently regarding his conviction, and when my husband found out he was dying, he said, "Thank God, I'll have never have to hear from Jeremy Bamber, ever again".
@@alyb6166thanks for the background. Very interesting!
@@alyb6166 The Essex Police were the problem.
@@alyb6166 Researchers in America proved that she wasn't too small to have shot herself with the rifle and the silencer; that's been explained. In fact at the trial of Jeremy Bamber the defence was improperly denied evidence and he wasn't even convicted of ANYTHING forensic; the judge made it clear to the jury that they would have to accept either the personal testimony of Jeremy Bamber or Julie Mugford, and they chose Julie Mugford; the same Julie Mugford who was jilted, sold her story to the News of the World for tens of thousands then fled to Canada. Jeremy Bamber had no incentive to murder his family for money because he already had money and the assets he would have received; namely the businesses, were already part of his own income. His maternal grandmother was far more wealthy and would have given him the lion's share of her will; yet when he was convicted she struck him off and his cousins (who testified against him) ended up very wealthy people as a result. JB will probably die in jail because if he ever got a re-trial he would win hands down; in which case it will be a shock to the system for both the courts and the police; the biggest travesty of British justice since the hanging of Timothy Evans and allowing John Christie to slip through the net. JB shouldn't be in prison.
Hi DR. Grande, I'm so happy to be one of your many & growing number of subscribers from the U.K. 💗 Love everything that you do.
Great work Dr.Grande as thorough as ever. I remember this case when I was very young , it happen very close to my home, a stone's throw away. It was a horrible crime. I have never been torn Jeremy was the one who killed them I have no doubt I have read a lot about Jeremy and his personality definitely was extremely entitled and bordering on sociopathy in my own opinion.
Thanks for another interesting u.k case. We don't have much gun crime here!
Love your analysis and humor as always! I would be very appreciative if you would analyze the Cindy James case.
What a horrific and multi layered case! Your telling of this had me rewinding several times.
You put together the most compelling content, Dr. Grande! ♡
Can you maybe cover the case of the beheading that happened in San Carlos 2 days ago with a samurai sword? Would be much appreciated!
I had not heard of that & as I spent a lot of time in that area years ago I looked it up - how terrible! What a nightmare for the kids who saw it all. Yes, Dr. Grande, your analysis please.
I was hoping for the same thing either today or in a day or two.
My closest friends live just south of San Carlos, California, in nearby Redwood City. When the news broke about this *horrific* murder, one of my friends shouted, "Just WTF is WRONG with people today?!" I mean, it's just ABSOLUTELY SICK that the young female victim was killed in such a manner.😡😤 Now, her little ones will grow up without their mommy...sigh.😭💔😔
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for your speculation on this case. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about the Bell Tower Sniper Charles Whitman from the 1960s
Yes, that was the first crazy murderous episode that I remember. About the same time a young man was kidnapped in Sacramento and never found. As 2 men were escorting him down the street, they passed his uncle and the young man called him by name which wasn’t the usual name he used. I wish the uncle would have responded, but the 2 men had a gun. If you’re going to be killed, better it be in downtown Sacramento than who knows where. 😢😢
Thank you Dr. Grande for working diligently. Amazing content. 👏
I originally thought the title said, *Jamie* Bamber Case Analysis. I was like, "Shit, did Lee Adama get busted trying to kill someone _at The White House_ ....?"
Glad to see Apollo actually had nothing to do with any of this madness. He's got enough on his plate, eluding the cylons.
So say we all.
I found your analysis to be as informative as rifle-wielding rabbits on a rampage.
The Devils Investigation. You just came up with another great title for another one of your books, Dr. Grande.
For the closing joke I would have said " in police investigations' the Devil's in the detail"
Thank you so much!! I asked a while ago for this one so I’m so happy you covered it ☺️☺️☺️
Yes the issue I have is the phone company has no record of the phone call from the farm. So if that is the case he's guilty. You have vast experience as a Doctor but here you surprise me with your view. Someone like Jeremy Bamber his personality , He gets off on it telling the girlfriend winding her up scaring her bringing his boy friend into the equation. ( He is in contempt with girlfriend doesn't really like women underestimates her thinks she too scared to say anything fear for own safety )see the overdoing the emotion thing at funeral then straight off to party of all places Amsterdam. Come on surely the personality of this individual coupled with lack of phone record makes him guilty. The sisters behaviour is very disturbing however the fact that Jeremy Bamber just happened to be shooting all afternoon with that gun and leaving it out loaded that is no coincidence. The window latch for years again that is no coincidence. The old man would not make a call to the son in the night while daughter was busy shooting everyone I the house.
I agree - the father would’ve called emergency asap - not his dodgy son
It's not that they had no record of him calling; it's that they didn't keep such records at all.
@@eadweard. You are mis informed the phone company 100 % kept records for billing If a call was made from that farm it would have been logged.
@@harpothehealer He states no records were kept at 11:02.
Edit: as for billing, it was done on a per-minute basis in 1985, with different rates for local, national and international calls. In fact fully itemised billing wasn't introduced nationwide in the UK until 1994.
No, you've completely misunderstood. The phone company, British Telecom, didn't keep itemised records of any calls in the UK back in 1985.
Hey Dr. Grande💞 I'm super curious to hear what you think about this case. Thank you for the new video. The quality and consistency of the content you put out is absolutely amazing and astounding. Thank you so very much.
Getting my cuppa to watch this one…. I have always been split about this case… the relatives seemed like they were big time after the farm .. and the police seemed ??
The relatives are good people, Bamber is evil ,used to torture animals at the farm
Who would want to live in the farm after that happened?
I was on the fence for a while with case, but now I am completely convinced Bamber is guilty. Here are some reasons:
> He told a friend he could murder his family by burning down the house. When confronted by this, Bamber simply dismissed the friend as lying but couldn't give any reason the friend might be lying. Bamber's response was simply "go ask him (why he would lie)". Not really a believable denial.
> Bamber's ex GF corroborated this story, but said he decided against it because there was too much valuable stuff that'd get destroyed in the fire. I believe she corroborated this without knowing the friend had given the statement.
> When accused of murder on the witness stand, Bamber responded to the prosecutor "that is for you to prove" - seriously, what kind of innocent person responds like that?
> The main reason I think he's guilty, is that Jeremy Bamber comes off like a COMPLETE SOCIOPATH. Just reading about his personality, behaviour and the things he said and the callous way he acted, I have no doubt he belongs in prison. For example he spent his way through his inheritance after the murders and then attempted to sell nude/topless modelling photos of his dead sister to the press.
> I also want to add that Grande is wrong - it can't have been a 3rd party, because Bamber rang the police to say his father rang him to say it was Sheila. Either A) Bamber is telling the truth about the call and Sheila must be the murderer, or B) Bamber is lying about the call and HE is the killer. A 3rd party can't really come out of that scenario.
> Rot in prison, Jeremy.
> /Rant over.
Yeah...if I was accused of that, I sure as heck wouldn't answer calmly. I'd say I didn't do it !!!
Agreed. Absolutely guilty and deserved of his whole life tariff.
Your certainty makes your opinion _less_ convincing, not _more._ We just don't have enough information to be that certain. Often people close to these cases can't be certain so whenever I see these comments where someone with no access to the case file, witnesses, police etc and they claim to know, it carries very little weight with me.
@@aarondavis8943 well the fact that he's not coming out of prison following the evidence being tried infront of a jury and all his attempts at appeal having been found to have no merit is good enough for me!
(Correction to my comment now deleted, i misheard and thought the children were NOT harmed. sorry!)
This case has fascinated me for years and years.
I’ve never seen this case. Even on any of my British true crime channels. Thanks, Dr. for talking about it. Very interesting and lots of evidence that can lead to different conclusions.
Love this video Dr. Grande. You should make more videos discussing crimes and criminals from the UK. This video was great 👍. I’d love to hear your take on the “shared madness” between Ian Brady and Myra Hindley the famous Moors Murderers.
It immediately occurred to me that having a sister that crazy could cause a person to speculate that they could blame a lot of things on her, including murder.
As oppose to the fact she was absolutely guilty. She wasnt just crazy, she was a violent schizophrenic who threatened to murder her boys frequently and was very abusive. Ockams razor , you fool.
Psychotic people kill for no obvious reason & female psychotics can & do kill even though widespread public opinion cannot cope with that fact because they want females to be something many females are not!
It occurs to me you guys just swallow a police narrative. The original evidence and police logs show the police decided to frame Jeremy. Shows 2 calls were made to them, 1 by the father at 3:26am, and then again by his son at 3:36am, between which the father had called Jeremy. They destroyed evidence and the bullets and did no forensics. 3 guns were actually used, and no silencers were used at all. Why would Jeremy or a hitman leave a silencer in the gun cupboard as evidence? On entering the farm the Police were happy it was murder suicide, as Jeremy was outside with them when their Police logs show they were in communication with Sheila who was moving around the house at 3:45am. Also, these UK rifle bullets were low calibre, and are not lethal bullets unless shot in the head - hence why sheila shot many times.
@@cookiemonster7514 .22 is quite lethal at short range, BUT in the UK at that time 'subsonic' cartridges were commonly sold to use with silencers because a 'supersonic' bullet makes a sharp crack once in flight rather destroying the point of using a silencer, so it is entirely likely that all silencers (& there were more than one) are a complete red herring because at close range firing the rifle would simply produce a 'thump' noise & not a 'crack'.
@@pcka12 I saw pictures of the actual bullets and they are quite small things compared to parabellum rounds you see in USA.
Yes yes yes yes this is just near where I grew up in Essex I remembered this growing up. The police station was in our little town... there have been developments recently 🍿🍿🍿thankyou so much Dr Grande and please analyse Mic Philpott sometime 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
I like the way you distinguish between guilty and guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You would definitely be a fair juror.
Excellent Dr. Grande. The police "saw" someone in the house but waited hours for their swat team to arrive. Since they were all dead the police needed glasses. Police did not want themselves to be hurt by the unknown spectre in the house. Terrible police work.
In the documentary, the same police officer says he realised after a few minutes that it was the moons reflection in the window that he saw.
Corrupt as hell but that Is the PolIce in the UK,is that ok with the 33 degree Masons and the Chief Constable.
Wasn't Jeremy Bamber standing outside the house with the police when a person was seen moving around in the upstairs room? And isn't there a set of evidence photographs with Sheila being placed in various positions whilst holding a rifle? Some have pointed to the fresh blood on her. It has tracked down her body through gravity, raising the question whether she was actually dead or not at this point.
@@christinestanding Yes he was framed by the Police just the farmer who shot a Kid breaking into house, Essex Police are nearly bent as the Met.
@@christinestanding Yes right on the money, but who planted the silencer in the Cupboard after the Police searched it once and whoes fingerprints were on it, he would have been out by now if he just I did it, but no he say it was not me who got the farm after the case just follow the money.
I have not read about the case, but it sounds like he had a very strong motive for committing the crime.
That alone would make it hard for me to rule him out, it's like he would be rewarded dramatically for getting rid of the core of all his problems.
There is a chance he was a strategist and thought there was no way he could lose in the situation.
Fascinating case and very helpful explanation and analysis.
Sometimes you just cant know. Especially if the police screw up the investigation. Literally the worst thing you can do at that point is pretend like you know anyway. That doesnt just apply to criminal justice. More or less applies to everything. Thanks Devils Doc🤣 another great video!
Jeremy 100% Guilty. Essex Police Inspector originally decided it was a simple case of Sheila was the murderer. A Sergeant disagreed and was warned about pursuing the case further. I knew that Jeremy was going to be arrested while he was still in Amsterdam, home of Illegal Drugs for UK supply by boat to Essex near Tolleshunt D'Arcy River Blackwater
As a very long time gun owner and been around those with mental episodes, nobody with an ounce of brains leaves a loaded gun anywhere near someone with her issues. Even for a minute, it is always on your mind.
Always a good topic of interest with
Great topic analysis, thankyou
Brilliant Analysis Dr Grande should work for Scotland Yard or FBI !! Smart ANALYTICAL mind !
This was super interesting.
Really enjoyed your analysis on this dreadful crime Dr Grande. As a Brit it was really good to hear your perspective. Thank you.
I lived in the County of Essex at that time & it was a massive, UK media story - especially shocking as gun crime was very unusual.
I've no doubt Bamber is guilty, the way he tried to frame his step-sister was particularly cruel. She apparently committed suicide by shooting herself twice, having killed her two sons & adoptive parents.
Bamber had actually broken into & robbed the family-owned caravan site (which he owned 8% of!) some weeks before the murders. He boasted of smuggling heroin, broke into a Jewellers' & stole two watches - he was not a good man.
It was thought that his adoptive father had violently struggled with someone in the kitchen; his adopted daughter was too slight to have done this successfully - overcoming a 61-year old. There was also a belief that the father might have been killed upstairs, & dragged into the kitchen.
Because the Police believed Bamber was a victim, they actually agreed to his request to burn carpets & bedding. Why would Bamber want that done?!
Finally, 25 shots were fired. A silencer with the daughter's blood inside it was found in a cupboard. She hadn't shot herself twice, then put it there!
Bamber obviously used the silencer so no-one would know what was happening as he shot the victims, then removed it when he set-up the 'suicide'. This was because he realised his sister couldn't have shot herself in the throat with it attached: her arms weren't long enough.
What's wrong with the idea she shot herself twice?
Also, a silencer doesn't make a gun silent, or even a great deal quieter. You'd certainly hear a "silenced" gun being fired in your house.
He’s guilty. His fellow privileged makes declaring him innocent are just as selfish as him. If it had a regular Essex person in trouble they wouldn’t bat an eyelid.
Damn. Just damn.
Dr. G, can you analyze the characters in the book/movie "We need to talk about Kevin"? I can't find that you've already done so. Thank you.
Jeremy is obviously guilty, plus if he told that cop he was going to buy a Porsche, that = life insurance money. If this case is actually hotly debated it must be between 2 people who think he's innocent and 2000 that think he's guilty, which, of course he is.
Good lord. People actually think this way. As if he couldn't have had independent plans to buy a Porsche, or simply have said he would like to own one.
I was possessed by the Devil for a while but he moved on. My former wife said it was because I'm impossible to live with.
Thank you so much for this video. I could not wait for you to give us the facts and your take on this case. I enjoy and appreciate your videos very much.
This is just heart-breaking.
Love the channel. Please consider taking a look at the case of Joseph Paul Franklin at some point.
I've always been a little suspicious of the female cousin who just happened to find the silencer and also the loose window in the kitchen that she told the police Jeremy could have climbed out of. Very suspicious.
I've studies this case in detail and you came to the exact same conclusion as me. Unsafe conviction.
@@Emily_Gray73 he’s guilty. The cousins are odd but so were his adoptive parents. What are you implying? They did it? So the police call bamber made are therefore invalid? Your case has no logic. Unless they conspired with bamber which means they are all guilty
@@krob2327 No, Shelia killed the family then committed suicide.
@@dominiclondesborough3222 completely false
@@dominiclondesborough3222 Just out of curiosity, why do you think so?
Although it cannot be comprehensive given the volume of evidence, I found this gentleman's analysis most impressive indeed. He gets to the bottom line correctly in my opinion and does not rely upon emphasising any particular events which purport to be a 'smoking gun' , but looks at the whole of the evidence. There are dynamic inconsistencies on both sides but he doesn't concentrate on them or use them in an argumentative way. Given that it is not his discipline, he has weighed it up as well as an experienced and talented detective or lawyer. 10/10
Maybe the gun wasn’t loaded to the capacity every time. That would have made it easy to load several times.
I know please think 18 shots were fired 9 + 9 = 18.
Very sensible!
@@karenandersen9385 but we don't know how many bullets remained in the magazine. If it was 2 it seems more likely it was fully loaded each time.
@@karenandersen9385 TRY 25 Shots HENCE 3 Magazines were needed and therefore reloaded at least TWICE! The rifle takes a maximum of 10 rounds.
My friends younger brother has decided to not take his meds because he says God speaks to him when he doesn't take them, but he also thinks people are out to get him. Do you have any advice Dr. Grandep? I can't remember if his diagnosis was schizophrenia or schizoeffective, but it is definitely one of the two. Any advice you can give me Dr Grande would be very helpful.
Respect his decision
Kyle - I can’t support Sunshine’s response of “respecting” the decision of somebody who has psychotic and paranoid features. If your friend and his family haven’t reached out to his treating professionals, then I would encourage you to contact them and advise them of his non-compliance. A lot of people think they can’t do this due to HPPA. They are wrong. You can Talk to treating professionals and give them information. The professionals CANNOT give you information. So it only works that way. Psychotic and paranoid is probably the most dangerous combination of psychiatric symptoms one can have.
@@nmartin5551 why address me in your comment. Say your peace and I said mine. It’s my professional opinion.
Yeah, respect his decision. Until he brutally murders someone. WTF???
@@kimbanz9818 he is more likely to be hurt by 1 of you. You wouldn’t force a cancer patient to take their meds. All you can do is support them or you will become the enemy and apart of their paranoia. When my cousin did this we had spiritual leaders visit with him and discuss the Bible. He was no danger to anyone because none of us denied him his right.
Suggestion to cover the case of Peggy Claude-Pierre who ran a house for people with anorexia and her own treatments (that failed and people died). Took place in Victoria BC Canada. There's a book "Anorexia's Fallen Angel" by Barbara McClintock and it was quite a scandal. When I was a waiter in the 1980s, Peggy was a regular at the restaurant where I worked. Just another interesting story for you to tackle
I'd be very interested in the Peggy Claude-Pierre case. I had to look her up and am absolutely horrified at what she did. She got innocent and desperate people to believe in her garbage and didn't even help them because she lacked the qualifications to do so.
That is an awful case 😳☹️. I haven't thought of that case in a long time.
This is the first analysis of yours, which has me indecisive on the perpetrator
It’s so strange that I’ve never heard of this case before.
British people don’t eat pancakes for breakfast. Pancakes (actual pancakes, not the American type) are for Shrove Tuesday.
Hello Dr Todd,
I remember this case so well and I have to admit to being one of the people who thought Jeremy was guilty, although to this day he still proclaims his innocence.
It certainly wouldn't be the first time that our police have done a less than stellar investigation, and I admit that that led to very mixed newspaper stories....which again didn't help Jeremy's case. There was just something shifty about him and I seem to recall that the girlfriend changed her story at least once. I'm actually no further forward with my decision, but I'm sticking with guilty by reason of looking shifty.
Thank you for your insights as always.
Penny from Christchurch. 🇬🇧
Any expression of uncertainty is to be admired, in the current day and age.
@@eadweard. thank you eb, I think! 😊. x
Great analysis! This case was covered by Infamous Murders and Behind Mansion Walls.
Oh its so good to be back home. I was having severe Dr. G withdrawals! Time to catch up on some episodes!
As we look around at the chaos fentanyl has caused, I think there will be a long line to file suit against the Devil for paternity. You've opened that door Dr. Grande!
Your dry humor always sneaks up on me….and I love 💕 it!
Always great to hear your stories..👍🏼
Could you do a report about a British ex BBC broadcaster ALEX BELFIELD.??
Second that about Alex Belfield.
Thank Dr. This one could possibly fall the other way. What I find strange adoptive mother has mental health concerns as well as the adoptee daughter both have been hospitalized more than once. So that tells me that the family is open to seeking help when needed. Soooo why didn’t anyone notice the adoptive brother was a killer. And why was his girlfriend quick to flip on him in exchange for her own freedom, but rat finks her boyfriend out at her first chance. But said zero until she could use it. That sounds fishy to me.
You don't have to be mentally ill to be a killer.
Their daughter was hospitalised for mental health, so someone should have noticed the son was planning on killing everyone? Not sure how that makes sense.
Plus the reason the girlfriend flipped was covered in the video.
Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
I've seen that Maury episode...
👹 "Satan, you are not the father!"
Sorry, DNA proved that neither Sheila nor the twin boys were the devil's children. 🤷🏼♀️
Superb analysis. Thank you, Dr. Grande. 🙏
So why would you wait 10 minutes to call the police, and not even use the emergency line??!!
Mm, "a mixture of blood from Neville and June" Could be June. In the 'last struggle' June could have shot the (adoptive) daughter dead. Being highly religious, the bible was always with her, so she managed to toss it between them. Perhaps Jeremy had strong vibes that June would turn violent - and left the loaded weapon on the kitchen table. This is such a haunting case.
One commenter will always choose the silliest possible theory.
THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY SENSATIONAL DR. GRANDE! 👏✨👏
Such a terrible tragedy all around… 😭
It’s really beyond fascinating to hear your case analysis! And your humor is so lighthearted! ✨🕊✨
Thank you so much for all of your hard work!
BRAVO! 👏👏👏👏
👉 Really forward to your next video, as always! 👈
Great video, as usual, Dr.Grande.
I was sure Jeremy did this until your last few points.
This actually does point to Sheila being the killer.
This is a mess.
Nobody wins when you put a firearm in easy reach of people experiencing mental health emergencies.
It's such a crappy organized murder site that it actually points more to Sheila doing awful things and then playing catch up to simply get herself ready to kill herself last.
The weapon is a very small caliber standard hunting and target rifle that uses the 22 caliber long rifle round.
The round is used for target shooting and hunting on farms, small game , like rats, squirrels, rabbits , birds ,coyotes, foxes and groundhogs.
The reason for the silencer is so target and hunting shooting does not alarm anyone nearby.
Sheila could easily remove the scope because the weapon was going to used at point blank range and the scope made the rifle harder to control and aim at point blank range with a silencer installed.
Scopes can often be easily removed using as coin like a dime or a quarter.
The silencer would allow her to kill her kids while the bedroom door was closed and not alarm her parents.
22 long rifle bullets are terribly ineffective at immediately disabling human beings unless of a very well placed repeated head shot or the heart is hit right away.
Every bullet placement and the location the bodies were found absolutely matters in this case.
The angles of the bullets through the bodies matter.
A toxicology test on the two boys should have been done to see if their mom drugged them first so they would stay asleep as she killed them.
The fact that 25 or 26 bullets were used means the ten round mag was reloaded three times potentially with 9 rounds to complete the murders....or that two other magazines, that usually people buy with these kinds of detachable mag rifles exist and were never found.
They could have been thrown in the yard ,still there today , if the house still exists.
This also points back to Sheila.
The final double tap under Sheila's chin is definitely a way a person would kill themselves with this rifle and I have read of suicidal people shooting themselves with this very small caliber rifle numerous times and not dying right away.
The ability to actually get that rifle under Sheila's chin like that with her alive would be extremely hard for a killer to do.
Sheila was already mentally unstable and she might have well fought like hell to stay alive if Jeremy tried to use this rifle on her like that.
Resulting in some very bizarre bullet angles through Sheila's brain and lower chin.
An exactly almost identical upward bullet path points to Sheila doing this to herself.
The repeated characterization by Sheila and her mother that Satan was in control of practically everyone in the house is very troubling.
Damn shame we can't put Satan on trial.
Jeremy ever gets a real good group of forensic defense attorneys to revisit this case ,he could go free.
Driving slow is something some people do all the time regardless.
The fact that Jeremy was in Amsterdam getting high afterwards might have been his idea of getting away from the madness that had just happened around him.
If Sheila did do this, Jeremy knows just how lucky he was to not be there when Sheila went berzerk.
As far as Jeremy's girlfriend, she saw a way out of numerous criminal charges by dumping her cheating boyfriend right on the polices lap.
I also submit if Jeremy did the shooting each person would have died from head shots probably three each because this small, weak caliber demands several shots to be effective immediately.
If Jeremy did this each shot would have likely been very close range with a burn mark on the skin of the victim.
Body shots are a waste of time with this 22 long rifle weapon.
Jeremy would already know this...Sheila would not.
Plus the use of the rifle at the exact level that Sheila would hold it could be ascertained from the bodies and the wound channels.
Jeremy was taller and the rifle would not be held at a certain up angle to shoot someone in the body or back.
The length of the barrel traced by the wound channel back to where Sheila would be standing with it in her hands could clear Jeremy.
Jeremy would have simply been holding the rifle , shooting into the body , at a much different angle.
And as Dr.Grande said, there were other people with a financial reason to kill the entire family as well.
As in Mr. "Gee, look at the silencer and scope I found that the police completely missed."
Crazy + Satan + Firearms is never a good mix.
Add in greed and it's an explosion waiting to happen.
Just awful. Just.....awful.
With a family as crazy as this , it is just better to never go home.
I read the first few pages of the scribed reference Dr Grande used. Jeremy wasn't driving slow, he was driving the speed limit, however the police were driving very fast, as they had authority to do so.
When they were outside the house, Jeremy was asked if his sister could hurt someone, he said "I don't know....". He didn't say " oh yes, absolutely " as you might expect, if he was guilty himself.
@@tallblonde1976 Jeremy might have been the sanest member of the family and that played against him in court.
People put aloofness and being reserved as being high and mighty and arrogant.
Jeremy ,if innocent, would have thought ,why should I hold anything back. I did'nt kill anyone.
We all should understand the police do NOT have OUR best interests at hand.
We must protect ourselves from these kinds of situations by saying as little as possible without an attorney present.
Jeremy would have much better served himself by saying, "Look officer, I don't know what's happened here but I must reserve my right to an attorney before I say anything else."
This whole case is a mess and Jeremy seems to have been the chosen suspect from the start.
Maybe the sister was shot while sleeping , horizontal target with silencer......sleeping.....easy peasy.
@@phillmaf7319 absolutely...who in the heck knows.....the body location as well as any blood spatter and it's direction would tell the tale but the Three Stooges apparently did the crime scene for the police on this. Jeremy sure acted odd afterwards but the whole family was odd
WRONG 100% please read my full response earlier with FACTS missing from this analysis. Jeremy 100% GUILTY
@Dr. Todd Grande Hello Sir, im a long time viewer and big fan, i like your work for my personal entertainment, but i also like your professional take on so many cases, people and situations. i was wondering if you could have a look on the case of Lima Jevremovic from AURA, her involvement with addiction patients like Bam Margera and others and also about her twin sisters (maybe separated from her case) Dahlia Tequali and Dia Tequali. The cases are really interesting to me (especially what happend to the twins since they had a good career) but also because the internet comments are so full of stupid conspiracy theories and false allegations that it isnt even funny anymore to read them. IMO many of these commentators need mental health therapy themselves LOL . Thank you for your work and all the best for the future.
I believe he did it. So do many people who knew him well.
I remember this case well as we were living not too far from where this happened at the time, my late husband had met bambi a couple of times
The murderer was immediately apparent at the mention of ""heard some rabbits". You can't fricking hear rabbits. Except if they are being killed, then they reportedly have a terrible screaming sound. 😞
Yay perfectly timed to wake up to Dr G ...winning day ! Thanks Dr G and hello Private Hudson 🌵
That is the risk of adopting. You'll never know their true behavior later in life.
As always a brilliant depiction of a confusing case!! When you have time could you please review the anarchy documentary on HBO? I’m VERY curious to hear your take on that group of people!!!
The Devil is in the details! Excellent analysis Dr. Grande! Thank you for the video :)
Dr. G, would you be willing to explain the difference (if any) between schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder?
My mom had schizophrenia and I’ve often wondered the difference between the terms. Thank you!
If you look thru his Playlists on his channel he has quite a few videos on mental health. He filmed them several years ago.
Schizoaffective disorder is Schizophrenia + a mood disorder.
@@Catlily5 So wrong. Just Google it!
Google it. There is a big difference.
@@natekeyes2297 I know people with both schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder. I also know people who have been diagnosed with both at different times. I also googled them. Some Google searches say basically what I say, some say it a bit differently. So what do you disagree with me about?
He’s guilty. Just a rich kid who thought he could get away with anything
Can you give us your opinion on the death penalty? You are such a great teacher I would love to hear your own opinion of it. Love your channel and love you. Keep up the good work and take care.
There’s a mini series called The Muders at White House Farm. Tells the story of the one detective who almost lost his job because he refused to stop investigating. He was the only one who thought jeremy was guilty.
That was the Sergeant who bothered to interview the friends of Neville and June. These people had no doubts, Jeremy 100% EVIL & GUILTY. I knew some of their friends. The Gin & Tonic, or Drinks, Club.
Dr. Grande, are you covering Ray J and Kim Kardashian? I hope so! Love your work and commentary.
17:19-17:25...Excellent insight, Dr. Grande! 😂 That made me laugh, thank you & have a grand afternoon!
Jeremy did it, 100%. Was it proven beyond a reasonable doubt? No. Was it proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Sheila didn't do it? Yes.
It's the same thing. An innocent Sheila renders Jeremy guilty by default. So if it was proven beyond reasonable doubt that it wasn't Sheila then it's proven beyond reasonable doubt that's it's Jeremy.
@@jackmartin4320 No it's not... Justice doesn't work that way. It's not because they don't have other suspects that by default another suspect has to be the killer...
For starters Jeremy could have easily hired someone to do the killings. The police said themselves they saw a person moving in the house and called the "swat" team...
I just feel in this whole debacle the police fucked up a lot that could give us much more clarity today...
They key "witness" is his disgruntled ex-girlfriend. And the key piece of evidence was found by a family member, who also would benefit from Jeremy being convicted. Then that piece of evidence was mishandled in such a way that the DNA evidence that could provide us with crucial information was now worthless...
Very simple. When "Neville" called Jeremy. Can we check did the phone ring and did someone pick up. It still doesn't make Jeremy innocent, but that fact alone kind of blows up the entire police case... You can't be at 2 locations at the same time... When I get my phone bill, I can easily see who I rang and for how long. And I know from experience that they can see if someone picked up the phone or not... Especially since in home phones there is no voicemail, usually.
Jeremy could definitely have done it, but the evidence is jumbled and contaminated. You don't convict a guy for 5 murders with that kind of BS evidence.
And don't get me wrong, I don't see a police conspiracy or anything. He is the prime suspect. But everyone is innocent until proven guilty. And he is "proven guilty" with very shady evidence. If this murder would happen today, we would have much more evidence and police conduct in and around crime scenes has become much more professional.
It feels like a case of Police fucked it up, probably has the right guy, but their evidence is flimsy and their conduct of the entire operation was unprofessional.
It was usual to use low velocity 22 amunition in those days for shooting rabbits in which case the silencer is irrelevant & silencers do not silence high velocity supersonic ammunition because most of the noise happens after the bullet leaves the gun.
The bullets are typically copper coated or greased so minimise lead transfer.
Although I think the case against Bamber is pretty strong, there is an awful lot of stuff that makes me go.....hmmmmm. 🤔
My Dad grew up on a farm that had a family murdered in it in a similar style. The parents and children were all shot and killed and the case wasn't solved until the uncle confessed on his deathbed. I don't understand how people can be so evil.
Do you have a link to the case?
@@TomRogersOnline I posted a link, but it looks like something is deleting it.
Fascinating and insightful, as usual. There was a documentary on Channel 4 (if I remember correctly) recently, that questioned the safety of Mr Bamber's conviction. There were too many points raised to go into here, (Dr Grande has addressed many of them) but perhaps the most significant was that the programme makers claimed to have discovered a Police telephone log record of a call from Neville on the night in question, saying that his daughter had gone berserk and had got hold of a gun.
If the magazine held 10 rounds but the last round was extremely difficult to load maybe she/he loaded 9 rounds in twice. It's worth noting 9 and 9 makes 18 which is how many rounds were reloaded.
The bullets get progressively harder to load the more you put in. The first one would be relatively easy and the tenth exceptionally hard. So, even putting 7 bullets in would be very difficult. It's one of those systems were if you get it wrong the whole bullets pings out and you have to start all over
It's worth noting that Sheila had next to no gun residue on her hands and fingers supporting the fact that she didn't touch the bullets. Also Sheila had long fingernails that were manicured and unbroken. How could she load several bullets without chipping a nail? She had no experience in loading the magazine
Another great video. Keep em comin
Agree with most of what you say, but a couple of points - I think Sheilas expertise with firearms is over stated, I have always thought that Bamber may have had additional mags for the rifle which he discarded and were never looked for. I have used a very similar rifle, and the mags are fiddly to load especially in a high stress situation. They would have been cheap to buy and would not have required a FAC to buy them. As most gun people know that with a .22LR shot placement would matter greatly, which is why it took so many shots to down Neville.
People who are dead don't tend to walk around too much.... Classic!
The slow driving reminded me of Diane Downs