Can Asus Redeem Themselves With This Pre-Built?
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2022
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WOAH, an anti-cat power button, i legit want that locking feature.
its a "anti-me" too. Can't believe I turned off my PC trying to find the USB ports more than one time.
Same, I absolutely need that thing.
you could just disable the power button in the control panel tho
i was like anti-cat? then i remember my cat turns my pc off like once a day
Yeah that's exactly what it is. My old HAF X had one in the form of a sliding power button cover. I occasionally made the mistake of not using it and always regretted it.
Would love to see this system with a moderate upgrade to the CPU cooling to see what it could do if it wasn't being choked out. Like a hyper 212 or an NH-U12 or something along those lines.
Why do manufacturers always cheap out on components that could cost them pennies on the dollar to put a better one in?
Ikr, i mean on a 700 dollar/euro pc, ok, but this thing is near 2k lol
One thing is that prebuilts are designed to be shipped, and a tower cooler's movement in shipping would be more likely to damage the motherboard.
there's room to put a 240 AIO on the front, you'll get much better cooling for not much more than NH-u12. Hyper 212 is kinda crap nowadays, it's not king of budget coolers anymore.
@@wemartin12 The solution to that is to use that expanding foam padding in the case. Almost every computer company sells at least one variation of their tower that has that padding so the graphics card doesn't just get ripped off the pcie connector.
@@TheTryingDutchman for 2000 dollars a custom system could be built which blows this thing out of the water. Jesus Christ
I'd definitely like to see how much you can improve the CPU performance with upgraded cooling, overclocking, etc....
pretty sure VRM would appreciate it
I agree, at a minimum I'd like to see a test with upgraded cooling. I'm sure there's some potential for better performance.
U can't oc. It's a locked CPU and probably a locked Mobo
Remove side panel, point cheap Chinese fan and voila :D
It's not a K sku CPU so there is no overclocking but a better cooler might still improve performance by a few percentage points.
I'm surprised Asus didnt use their own ProArt board for the system, even if it is outdated compared to the processor
nah, you can always count on OEMs to cheap out on motherboards
@@creaturedanaaaaa Especially Asus. If you buy any OEM system from them, be it ASUS, ROG, TUF, or ProArt, the motherboard will probably be a similar OEM spec. It is sad to see. And it is sad to see how they cheaped out in other places too.
I wish you didn't have to go to a boutique builder for a decent computer if you don't want to build your own.
At least its not as bad as a Dell though
ikr, its pretty sad...
but that mobo doesn't deserve being hugged by a crap box anyway lol
I'm not. It's Asus. Why use the expensive ProArt board when they can use a cheap bottom end mATX board and just brand the whole system instead?
But it's definitely misleading.
They legit cheaped out on this. 1800$ for this?. For 200.more u can get an entry level mac studio with 32gb ram 512gb storage that is 3-4x faster than this crap. And the mac will kill this boi 5times in video editing or any pro work. For 1800$ this shit does not even have a 10gb ethernet port. While 2000$ mac has wifi 6 + 10gbe. 4x thunderbolt ports . & What not. This pc should not be sold for more than 1000$.
As a cat owner, I legit wish more PC cases had that power button lock slider! I imagine it would be handy for people with small children too!
You know you've been watching this channel for a long time when you automatically know what Dawid is excited about when he opens up the case and you see two RAM slots populated lol
well it's about time dude
and cheap people wanting to buy that system are also excited about that feature
omg I was the exact same, as soon as his voice sounded excited I knew 😂
@@HD_Heresy yeah most prebuilt systems come with single channel ram and if you want a prebuilt no bs and dual channel this system will excite you since I built my own system I may not be excited but other are enjoy
Every time Dawid flips the box over to get the PC out, he makes me feel like I open things wrong.
From my perspective, I imagine that the locking feature is probably to minimize the possibility of human error during heavy loads or workflows. For instance, with this being marketed as a pro-machine, one could very well imagine that users may either choose to use it to render 3D scenes, video files, or whatever else that may sometimes take hours. Therefore, in these cases, I'd imagine that having anything that could turn off the machine during these times, by mistake, would be really annoying. As such, having a locking feature doesn't seem that weird since human error/ random knee-jerking moments can happen that could cause a lot of time to be lost.
one can just disable the powerbutton in windows
@@youridv not as convenient as flicking a switch.
@@youridv also doesn't disable holding down the button to force shutdown
I have a cat, so I get the need for a power button lock.
True, also sometimes something falling down may trigger a button leading to a shutdown, which may lead to catastrophies like corrupted saves, or even make you go back a lot in progress. Imagine finishing a full room design for your project just to go back to designing the floor. I'd kill that pc instantly
I like the top of the PC. Whatever liquid you should happen to accidentally spill on it, not a single drop will stain your carpet and instead be funneled right into the front connection ports.
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Great video as always Dawid!
I guess installing a rear 92mm Noctua fan and an NH-U9S would benefit both temps and performance
It’ll definitely help temps! Performance won’t get much better than the XTU tweaking I did. I did a video on this with a Dell prebuilt a while back.
How can Asus make such great hardware, yet have literally no understanding of thermals?
subcontracting.
They have. They just simply fucking ignore it. "Professionals" are always the one getting ripped off.
It's not ignorance, it's deliberate profiteering by avoiding including a proper cooler.
I agree! They don’t have an excuse for this kind of thing in my opinion.
the people who mass buy oem build pcs don't care/know better - often first timers or people buying for someone else etc. Every oem is like this, you legit can not get good oem builds at decent price points.
Either the memory will not be dual channel, they will often use the out-of-box cpu cooler, the thermals tend to be utter shite unless their main market is on antarctica, and with psu and board you'll be lucky to not get proprietary ewaste.
Doesn't take away from your genuine question though, it's almost as if they dont want to build easy brand loyalty even if it would only cost them 2 dollars extra per case from actually drilling a few holes and subbing the cpu cooler with something that actually resembles a radiator and not a slice of round cheese.
Dawid, your excellent humour makes me laugh every time. Great upload as always 👍
Awesome, thanks for watching!
I swear, PC manufacturers are the experts at taking something that could be awesome and making it less-than-mediocre. When I saw the push-pin CPU cooler, I knew things would not go well.
I rate this a "ProArt Loser Suck-Face Edition / 10" and I wouldn't charge more than $1299 USD for it.
Great video bro, I always appreciate your opinion on the power button. Lol. Keep up the good work.
I’m glad you appreciate it. A power button is an important thing. 😃
3:04 I actually had this problem on one of my PCs I built a while back that sat under my desk, and the buttons on the case were very easy to push, so I took some metal hardware and made my own metal casing around the power button so I wouldn't accidentally press it anymore. Was removable of course, but as a person that had this problem, I'm glad it exists on at least one case.
A option is to remove the power button completely from the board and run a costumer start cable somewhere safe next time.
If you got access to the rear easily you just string cables out of the PCIE bracket ventilation holes and use a switch or whatever button one wants hanging out back. Just buy or sacrifice something old and solder some wires together. The most basic soldering that anyone ho can be trusted with a oven/stove should be able to do! At worst one can just tape it.. Your supposed to cover the soldering anyways with tape/wrap so. But no solder it.
Anyone really worried about the start button should run there own start button solution and avoid problematic case buttons. The hardest part is knowing what cables to remove on the board. That is the hardest part really. I find it really funny how streamers and what not get owned by there cat or there own doing!
I guess the reason for bloatware is to reduce the cost of build as someone will pay you for the bloatware
Or, and hear me out here, you could take all the money from the bloat *AND* the customer XD
I'd like to see an itemized list of kickbacks from an SI
Depends on what bloatware, with antivirus and some things it will be that. But OEMs are entirely responsible for Windows support, Microsoft will give no support to a Windows OEM install (generally, they take pity sometimes). So when you see the support software some put on there, it's not bloatware - it's actually a good sign. It means they are taking that responsibility seriously, and it will be good for those who don't know much.
An OEM system should never be a clean Windows install, contrary to the complaints that's a bad sign. Anyone who wants a clean install, can do it. And most who will want it, will be more likely to have built one anyway.
@@WineLad 😂
Whenever you see a Linode sponsorship in the intro you know the video is going to a banger.
I actually like the look of the case! It could have been built better, but after browsing some online parts stores, I really appreciate the restrained look that apparently isn't worth stocking anymore
Hey Dawid @10:23 it sounded like my lawn mower was running outside.
LOL
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I love those prebuilt testing format. Really much appreciated. :3
Hi Dawid, the PSU is actually good. The Great Wall E Series is an A tier PSU according to the LTT PSU list. Also the Corsair TX Gold Series are just rebranded Great Wall E Series PSUs. I've been running a 3090 on an E750 with no issues.
Yes, Dawid does have a tendency to shoot from the hip when he is unfamiliar with a particular brand name. That's why I treat this channel as entertainment rather than buying advice.
Thanks for pointing that out!
@@ThePhoenix198 That’s fair enough. 😁
$1300-$1500. Older tech.
Charging you that much for it, AND throttling performance, SHOULD be a crime.
Sheep need to be fleeced :D
The lock for the power button is very thoughtful tbh, the nzxt H510 flow, has the power button right next to the headphone jack, and at times, I accidentally push the button trying to remove the headphone jack, or the ctype cable of the SSD.
Awesome video Dawid, i am always looking forward to the next one ! greetings from the netherlands !!
That ultra-wide portable screen is amazing! 1:23 I want that. Edit: So this machine has about 25% more power potential at least, if it came equipped with a decent cooler and different settings? That sucks
There are "rip off" Chinese versions on Amazon for cheap...
I think a 500 watt psu for an 11700 and 3060 is perfectly fine. The cpu cooler and mobo could be improved though, for productivity that would really burn.
Yes, but it's only enough. Any real upgrades and you'd be better off with a new system
@@stephen1r2 yeh, but if you are buying a prebuild, that comes with a (dead platform) 11700, I'd say you aren't upgrading anyway. And you probably have enough headroom for a 250 watt gpu in future so there is still some way to go.
Both fair points.
I like your vids even before I watch them :). Youre the best Dawid & Anna.
That stock footage in the ad with a keyboard on top of the laptop is hilarious
For the price they really should be using a basic 120mm or even 92mm tower cooler, its frustrating to see towers for this high of a price using junk CPU coolers that ruin performance on i7 and even i9 CPUs.
yep might as well just cap your cost at an i5 because you aint getting any better performance anyways.
Ah yes, the professional tax. A comparable (arguably better, because it won't thermal throttle) system can be put together for about $1050 usd (or $1200 with a windows 11 pro license). A $600 build fee for a highly compromised PC is unacceptable. Asus doesn't realize that the gpu shortage is over, apparently.
Apple set the standard for the “pro” surtax many years ago, everyone else is just playing catch up. It takes a special set of sheep to think a $20 upgrade in hardware is worth $200.
@@theoneneo5024 Upgrade ? What are you talking about ? If I want an upgrade I just buy a new Mac !
Costco US is selling (as of writing) an Dell XPS with i7 12700, RTX 3060ti for like 1400 dollars, and it has 16gb of RAM (unsure if dual channel or not) and more storage to boot
@@Gatorade69 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mcslender2965 Except Dell’s consumer line of PCs is trash tier in terms of OEMs. The only company that is worse when it comes to proprietary BS is Apple, who can unfortunately get away with it because it’s Apple.
love your work dawid fantastic video style
Yeah, locking power button a great idea, a lot of power shut off buttons are very sensitive and just brushing them can turn them off sometimes in the middle of work lol I know it has happened to me :)
My expected answer: No
Edit: actual answer: No
I'm more worried about the VRM on that motherboard. If you upgrade the cooler to a tower that mobo's getting cooked.
yes finally back to the content that took you to the top of my favorites.
I would do something about that cooler and retest. Sure, your going to be kind of limited no matter what you do because of the motherboard but the 11th gens run very hot and a better cooler would give you a little more headroom.
since it's a standard mATX board, a $30 tower cooler would be a great & inexpensive upgrade
also should come standard given the "pro" premium pricetag. better off just getting a budget gaming build and probably have 150 bucks left over to get good cooling and a fancy restaurant meal
I want the pro art motherboard but I’m comparing it to the vision D-P they both are great Im undecided
I hope u mean the z690 proart and not the one out of the vid xD
this aint a proart board lol, it's just a budget board being pushed with proart marketing - think of it more of a proart visual identity, not actual performance and quality lol
Hi Dawid, great video as always!
may I know what format this video was exported in? it’s a bit wider than many other ytbers!
Great Wall is a good psu manufacturer and the e500 gold is a very solid midrange unit
That is a very losery VRM on that motherboard, and I have to imagine it's at least partially responsible for some of the performance issues you're seeing here. Asus Prime motherboards with no VRM heatsinks shouldn't be used with i7 processors. You'd think Asus would know this since they made the dang thing!
For that price point there should have been room for a decent third party CPU cooler.
I use Pro Art motherboards in 2 of my systems at work (Pro Art X570 to be specific). I have zero complaints, tons of rear I/O and three Gen4 M.2 slots.
yep but that's also an actual Proart product - this prebuilt is just marketed using the "proart" branding name, it actually doesn't feature any real proart hardware inside. All just bottom-shelf budget components for people who don't know any better and think they're getting a good workstation due to the name.
Dawid, I'm not a PC expert by any means, however I'm finding your vids highly entertaining. I would love to see you do a vid of you purchasing pc parts that you think will make an affordable primum(ish) gaming PC. Thanks
You know your a David fan when you watch his video when it’s been uploaded 45 seconds ago😂. Love it
yes
U can't can be a Dawid fan when you call him "David"
Wow! A very very similar machine (with some better parts) could be build for about $1100 US Dollars
The metal part of the case (so everything but the cheap plastic outside) and the internal parts are almost exactly what came in a friend's prebuilt ASUS G10 Gaming pc
Wow, Dawid opening up that case gave me flashbacks to 2001. That is one seriously old, low-end case design used by garage-operation PC assemblers 20 years ago.
As someone who has handled a few, 2001 era cases look absolutely nothing like this. The vast majority of cases with bottom-mounted PSUs are no more than 5 years old (the first ones date to the late 2000s, e.g. the Fractal Define R2 came out in 2009), and PSU shrouds are an even newer phenomenon. Oh, and 20 years ago you could consider yourself lucky if you got space for an 80 mm exhaust fan - ventilation was unbelievably lacklustre at the time (mind you, a 35-43 W CPU was considered toasty). My first bigtower case in 2000 took an 80 mm intake and zero exhaust fans!
I put the innards of my 2012 office PC into a ca. 2006 Asus prebuild micro tower at one point (it had housed a low-end P4 system originally). The PSU is top-mounted, of course, ventilation opportunities are OK for an office box (92 mm exhaust, 80 mm intake), and build a fair bit more substantial than the newer rather lightweight tin box still. With some more recent upgrades, the thing is completely inaudible under normal light loads... nice little sleeper.
3:08 that lock is to stop your cat from powering off your computer when it jumps onto your desk
7:30 also being a non k cpu, it's actually technically overclocked as it's supposed to be running at 2.8GHz
Every Intel CPU has super variable frequency and boost and whatever.
I have have a 12700F with a rated frequency of 2.1, which'll boost to 4.9 on heavy loads and go down to 800mhz on low utilization. Rated frequency actually doesn't mean much because CPUs will never run at that, they overclock themselves all the time.
Overclocking is kinda dead except for super high end shit, because Intel and AMD already push their CPUs to their frequency limits with boost n shit.
@@xavierrodriguez2463 it is still considered out of specs (overclock) if it boosts outside of it's spec boost window
Like if you were to pair your 12700 with a low end motherboard, it will be clocked down to it's official specs, because a lot motherboards applies overclocks to the non k cpus, to make them match-ish the k series (still limited by the max power draw of 125W but why would you want to fry your cpu anyway)
"For whatever reason."
This is clearly so the famous artist doesn't have their stupid fucking cat press the button while it's laying on their computer.
That power button lock is a godsend to people with cats or little kids. Turn the system on, lock the power button and don't worry about an errant finger or paw shutting you down in the middle of a game...er...I mean project.
Maybe upgrade with better CPU cooling and some front fans? Noctua everywhere maybe? Would love to see that video.
Dawid Does Tech Stuff : an i7 11700K 8c/16t cpu, that uses regularly around 190-200 Watts when stressed, is cooled by a puny stock cooler and sits on a motherboard with NO VRM HEATSINKS !!!! This rig isn't gonna last long.
It's enough if you run it stock. :D 5 second boost window WTF :D
That's why they gimped the PL2 boost power window (so the CPU rarely exceeds PL1 = 65 W) and used a top blower that's not only cheap but also providing ventilation for the VRM area. There's method to the madness, but still, it's lame.
@@PileOfEmptyTapes the VRM-s are poorly ventilated because these specific ones are of low quality (like they are on the majority of the Shintel boards) and they need additional finned cooling heatsinks to enlarge the effective cooling surface. Top down coolers still need an effective surface to blow air over.
If you want a game that is going to push the system to its limits beamng will get the job done
I was waiting for you to upgrade the cooler as usual 😂
Replace the cpu cooler and see if you can add some fans in the front for intake and retest it. Maybe an aio for cpu cooler on front of case with some fans too. But yeah way too expensive considering you get gimped out of the gate.
Why do I like this channel? I don't know.... I don't watch alot of tech channels unless I'm directly researching something. But for some reason, I find everything this man says is fairly interesting, and the types of things he is doing with these random things is just interesting.
Well thanks Dawid, i think.
This is what's usually called a "Slim Workstation" class machine. It's physical profile is the smallest it can be for a full feature, serviceable workstation so you can still fit it in a cubicle.
I feel like if you flash the bios somehow stick any beefy cooler on that thats a really promising build
Thr price though...the system is actually worth about half the price..
I have a similar problem on an HP Pavilion Gaming Desktop, equiped with an i5-11400F, the stock settings don't have a turbo timer to limit the turbo duration, but the cooler that came on it is very small, so the turbo only stays on for about 10s before it thermal throttles. The problem that this pc have, is the proprietary hardware, so they use no conventional parts or mounts anywere. The motherboard is costume-built, cooler does not have a standart bolt/mounting socket, and, to make things worse, the cooler bolts/screw on the back of the case... (the cooler is actual part of the motherboard support/standoffs)
So i came a bit creative and manage to install and "old new upgrade"
One cooler i have on shelf for a long time, an Zalman CNPS8X Optima. (i even use the original thermal paste that came on it!)
I manage to use the clip support, and enlarge just a tiny bit of the holes, and now it fits, and no more thermal throttle + the fan noise is gone
The case looks nice. Maybe an gold ProArt logo at the side with some more small mesh ventilation would be better
10:44 I expected it to come with the ProArt MB that has TB3 if it costed that much
I really love your Accent man! its funny and interesting same time
i just discovered this channel. ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥 commentary is on point homie.
Literally saw one of these at the downtown Vancouver BestBuy last week and wondered if it was even any good
I don't know why, but this gave me flashbacks to the eMachines PC I bought at Best Buy so I could play WoW when it first came out. The case front is just fancier and doesn't have a CD-Rom drive AND a DVD Drive like my 1337 eMachines did.
As someone with a pc case with a top facing power button and cats, that lock is a wonderful idea
I like the power switch lock. I’ve put my system to sleep before accidentally while fumbling with adjacent USB in low light.
Groovy tunes, cool cat!
Would a beefer power supply let it work better?
Thanks!
Something about the mechanical lock on the power switch makes me happy
Yes lock for cats not turning the computer off while you're on it LOL that was a great one
I just built the same computer spec for spec on pc part picker and got $1,445 Canadian dollars, almost $900 markup for some e-waste peripherals and VD bloatware. The light strip happy trail is worth the extra $900 for sure 😂
Dawid, can we get an ewaste peripheral tier list and also, what do you do with the all the extra mice and keyboards you get with the prebuilts¿
I don't know why but I really like the idea of a power button lock, especially in settings with clumsy people who are prone to accidentally hitting the power button, these people really do exist and I think this is quite the fix.
The lock button on the power button is actually such a good idea, because I always accidentally press the reset button or power button when trying to find a port.
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My thoughts are if you are already buying a prebuilt, there are really goon ones you can find without having to upgrade some stuff right out of the box. This thing would hugely benefit from a well ventilated case with like intake and top exhaust fans and an Arctic Freezer 34 (example) cooler. But paying 1.7k bucks and needing to upgrade so it doesn't explode? Nahh...
Not sure if this can be revisited or used for anyone having thermal/ performance issues on these ASUS prebuilts but I had the same issue with a prebuilt I bought with an 11700f. The PC had a standard ROG Strix B560-G Gaming wifi motherboard. I switched cases and upgraded coolers and even with a 360 aio it would throttle. For whatever reason it had a weird bios specific to the prebuilt that was not listed on ASUSs website and could not be flashed through standard methods. It was pumping way too much voltage to the CPU and limiting boost frequencies no matter what I changed. I used a CH341A programmer and clipped it to the bios chip and flashed the OEM bois to the board and never had an issue since. It was a bit of a challenge but would be interesting to see Dawid try it.
This machine has one purpose - for businesses to purchase in mass, specifically medium - large businesses that need machines for entry level CAD employees. From a consumer prospective this is an awful deal, but to a business it's just a necessary cost when similar "professional" systems cost essentially the same.
I heard that once linus said great wall is one of the good oem psu manufacturers
I wonder if we would see in future videos of comparing this original PC to the upgraded PC parts of this PC?
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Maybe a bios update? Or edit power plan? Last resort would be clean install
I love the Pro Art Gpu's. so nice
Dawid's "Professional" Humour is just the best😂
10:20 sounds like the neighborhood honda civic owner doing a 2am pull
Yeah this is a decent system, albeit a hotbox. Need to do the upgrades to the cooling and ventilation to see what 'could be'. Those light bars tho.
The power button lock is actually something all cases should have, think about it. I have a smaller brother for an example and he LOVES all the buttons on my pc and likes to press them all the time! Now, while i am gaming or if i have just shut off the system, he likes to come in and press the button so that my pc would shut off, its quite irritating at times, i wish i had that lock!
I mean who doesn't like pressing random buttons 😂
@@Softieissoft Exactly! 😂
Didn't show off the light bars! I really wanted to see those. XD Legit the only properly interesting thing about this system. Well aside from the locking power button I suppose! I know several artists that would LOVE that feature.
3:35 They should've added their Pro MBs instead, dude that would've been soooooo goooood
The USB ports looked dusty and the GPU screws had rust. It either needed a few more of those anti-rust sheets or this thing is a customer return
No Quadro? At that price?
How long has it sat in warehouses anyway
I have an i7 11700 with a motherboard that allows it to draw more power with better cooling that allows it draw over 100 watts running at like 4.6 - 4.8 GHz when playing games.
You should do one with upgraded cooling, and see how much better this Pro gets
I look forward to the upgrade video
I recently tried to do some video-editing with my PC that had a gtx 1070.
According to your pictures of the NVME it doesn't look like it's screwed down or anchored
The lock on the power button is cool, there's been times I have shutoff my computer by putting my hand on the top of the system, Cool idea. God bless you and the misses.
You can disable the power button from Windows! I have had my cat jump on my PC, so i disabled the power button. Obviously you can still turn your PC ON. You can't just shut it off using the power button.
@@gamebuster800 Thank you for the info, this old guy needs all the help he can get. God bless
Putting that up against the Mac Studio would be like putting up me against Kingpin in extreme overclocking.
looks pretty sleek and modern. 12 year old me would've hated it due to the lack of a window and RGB vomit. but now at the ripe old age of 14, I can appreciate the understated and mature nature of systems like this.