@@FabiolaRVelaEDIT: apparently this is confusing for some people but i'm talking about the DOCTOR's implications in providing his opinion, not jake's actions, and i am talking about both legal and ethical codes! "this is between two internet people so HIPAA doesn't apply" is NOT relevant here 😭 it's not legal to review and comment on actual official test results, nor is it legal to give armchair diagnoses (suggesting possibilities is different) for someone who isn't in a patient contract with you especially on the internet, but since this other doctor is offline and probably only said "based on the verbal info you're telling me, I don't think it makes sense" it's probably legal. That's a personal, informal opinion. If Doolittle has Ethan's medical records (like if Ethan has ever shared them publicly) beyond just verbally saying a test result, then *the doctor's analysis and diagnostic input on them* is likely illegal and/or breaking ethical code. That's not to say Doolittle isn't allowed to have the records if Ethan posted them publicly, of course he is. It's that a doctor can't armchair diagnose some stranger via one single medical record or piece of info. All of this speculation is based on not knowing the full extent of the conversation between Jake and this supposed doctor. We're discussing if the doctor in question may have done something punishable in all of that, which we can't really know without it being investigated and it won't. The point is, it's not unlikely they DID do something punishable either legally or to the board.
9:01 the reason why it’s irritating to Ethan that Jake said that is because the entire video Jake made was saying Ethan is lying about health for attention and money. It sounds like Jake is trying to still say Ethan is just being anxious but he doesn’t have health issues in a different way.
Definitely an understandable confusion. I believe Jake was taking the criticism about considering Ethan’s ocd and health anxiety as to why he continued to talk about the topic without diagnosis, and then apologized for it, but then used very poor wording. For example, I have severe ocd and hashimotos. I was considered a hypochondriac but still legitimately sick, just lacking a diagnosis. People could (validly) say I was suffering from health anxiety while getting my diagnosis bc it took years and I was going crazy the whole time This label of hypochondria hinders timely diagnosis which is why I’m angry Jake used it so flippantly and assigned malice with it. I’m a bit frustrated neither side nor commentary channels are explaining this with reason.
I agree. Jake didn’t admit his analysis was wrong. And he said he didn’t take into account Ethan’s “health anxiety”. The implication is that he was right about Ethan not being as ill as he thinks, but wrong about Ethan’s motivation. Imo.
It’s definitely degrading, to feel awful and have tests coming back weird to have people around you brush you off like that unfortunately isn’t uncommon but this is a stranger, from the internet. It’s like calling a woman moody, it’s said in a non confrontational manner but it feels pretty degrading when it’s directed at you.
My thing is, just because Ethan has money that doesn’t mean he’s not allowed to he upset or voice his concerns. One person’s struggles can hardly be compared to another person’s.
yeah, that really confused me in jakes video. obviously if you have access to funds to pay for these things, than getting treatments or appointments isnt as much of a worry, but no amount of money in your bank account means you just dont have to worry at all. you might not have to worry about the financial difficulties, but youre still dealing with these symptoms and these anxieties about your health, ease of access does not mean you suddenly dont deserve to be concerned about your health. like, looking over at my ma, no matter when she just got sick when she was fresh outta makin about a hundred k a year or now when shes on social security, shes still experiencing her symptoms and doesnt deserve to be looked down upon for her financial status. its a privilege that helps you, but it doesnt wipe away the problem from your mind
My input as a nurse. Sending patients lab results that are NOT YOUR OWN to other doctors for second opinions without the patient's consent has to be some sort of violation of HIPAA (patient privacy act in the US). Especially if you yourself are NOT a medical professional. If Ethan wanted a second opinion, he would've asked his own providers himself. Also, to ask for second opinions like that just based on his ANA levels and no other factors (like medical history, family history, other labs or diagnostic testing, etc) is definitely not helpful in making a reasonable medical judgment. Let the patient's diagnoses or any medical concerns be between the patient themselves and their medical providers. Jake definitely overstepped his boundaries.
I'm not entirely sure about the details of the US patient privacy act, but where I'm from (sweden) it wouldn't be illegal for Jake to show the blood test result to another doctor, but it would be illegal for the doctor to tell Jake their opinion of it.
i think HIPAA only applies to medical centers and their staff(so the people who work at the hospital or clinic). In this case Jake does neither, so while ethically awful, he is not subjected to HIPAA law.
The issue is that he wasn’t specific enough. When you’re apologizing, you’re apologizing for everything that you did, not just the overall situation. It makes it seem like you either still don’t see fully why you’re in the wrong or that you’re not fully comfortable with admitting guilt. Either way, it makes the apology seem disingenuous.
I feel like some of the things he did are really hard to be solved with a simple "Im sorry". He aluded to Ethan's mom not being sick, he literally LIED about what Ethan did, he intentionally hid information to present his narrative which he was giddy to tell everyone. Dont even get me started on that insane spread sheet of donations. He said that vid took him 4 months to make, he also got told both by HIS fans and by AB not to go with it and he still did. That was not a simple emotional outburst, that was calculated and it was so spiteful and mean and manipulative. A "I apologise" wont cut it.
@@armadyl7AB is one of the crew members of h3 who fought at creator clash, Jake went to the hotel to wait out and ask the fighters if they wanted him to take their pictures because he wanted to get his name out there as a photographer, AB accepted and from there jake would message him repeatedly in a very uncomfortable and pressuring manner until AB agreed to do a collaboration with him (he also tried to do this with every other member of the H3 crew except for the sound guy Zach)
Jake definitely still is implying Ethan is lying, I agree. That apology was pretty half-assed and directed at his angry audience and not Ethan. To be honest, he doesn’t seem sorry to me.
@@Lonesymphony I don't have money to give but if I was a stable thousandaire I would be fighting fang and nail to uplift people to my standard of living. I would provide receipts because there's no reason to hide it and it's not gloating if presented correctly. But MrBeast gets away with anything so I'm sure I could find a way. You're right, you don't see me doing it because I got paid less than 20k a year for manual labor. I would work 8+ hours for 15.50 an hour, sometimes I wouldn't get overtime and it was legal because it was a privately owned business lol. I used to give makeup to my friends when I could but now I'm unemployed and after over a decade with the company they left me with just over 2k in severance after they closed. I spent all of it catching my parents up on bills so we have internet and water for a year at least. Jake makes infinitely more than I ever have and possibly ever will lol for you to sit there so smugly and say "do more" to a chronically ill black person in America is insane. I take breaks from job hunting for a remote job by coming to youtube, I'm sitting in a house that is collapsing and filled with black mold. I can't go out because it's raining intensely. Help me fight corruption instead of belittling me next time, please, for both of our sakes.
Health anxiety has really a much different connotation in the chronic illness community. It's used as a way to say it's all in your head. It's patronizing and it's condescending. You might not see it, Jake would.
This is a really good point. I actually suffer from health anxiety, as part of a wider anxiety disorder, so what irritated me was the assumption that health anxiety or "hypochondria" can just be "snapped out of" and isn't a real issue in its own right. But you are also 100% correct that it seems to be being used, here, to dismiss any valid concerns about physical health.
@@PartanBree awe shoot I'm sorry I hope what I wrote didn't come off as rude or flippant. You are completely correct. If it is a part of someone's OCD or anxiety disorder someone saying it's "just" health anxiety does not fix whatever the individual is feeling. It honestly comes off condescending to me no matter what, but that's just my perception!
Yeah i feel like anyone with chronic mental health problems alongside physical health problems knows all too well doctors dismissing your symptoms based on mental health diagnoses, it’s essentially a form of medical gaslighting to get you out the door faster and Jake really should be sensitive to that considering what he’s been through
Yeah, I agree with Ethan, he needed to address the things he got wrong and even in his apology, he just didn't really seem sorry as much as he didn't like the back lash.
Jake didn't even address the fact that he was outright accusing Ethan of accepting sympathy donations from fans for his health and pity-baiting people for money and attention. His apology was just a mild skim over the least pressing claims he made, followed by then casually dropping that he's financially struggling to maintain his fundraiser for the ill- This was a wild undermining and brushover the absolute takedown he was confident he would be issuing to Ethan. He's completely pretending as though that video wasn't to vilify Ethan, but that it was instead an 'emotionally charged' criticism because of his connections to illness.
Not apologizing for the part where he took Ethan’s blood work and sent it to a doctor, who’s completely unfamiliar with Ethan’s medical journey, in an attempt to dunk on him is just bananas to me.
after watching jakes video a second time… my perspective has changed and i don’t think this was enough. it did feel like a quick apology video so he could get back to content and act like this was just a road bump and he never properly acknowledged the harm of his actions at all and how that reflects on him as the owner of a NFP
False accusations of faking are rampant against (especially invisible) disabled people and the mentally ill. As a disabled person, it's a huge problem. What he did was so harmful to those communities. I think Ethan Klein is a deeply flawed individual. I stopped watching him years ago because I didn't like many of his actions. But no one deserves this. No one should have mental Illness or disabilities weaponized against them ... especially not in the name of content.
The fact that I need to even present an x-ray for people to believe I have scoliosis and can't do average human stuff like stand at a register for 8 hours is insane lol society is a needle prick away from collapse
I am disabled, and I do feel like people like Ethan make that issue worse. He is going to doctors and telling millions of people that he thinks he has Lupus because of answers from ChatGBT. That is the reason doctors don't take us seriously!! They think we are just getting our research from WebMD and panicking, It's so frustrating. I think how Ethan handled everything was wrong. Taking a poll of "what's better to have MS or Lupus?" That's just taking things too far. I'm sorry, but a single wonky blood test or 2 does not make that ok. Ethan was experiencing no symptoms either. So I understand he has health anxiety, but I still don't think it's right. I think Jake was right for calling him out, but his tone was off. So his apology was actually fine to me. 🤷♀️
@ChrissaTodd he was heavily pushing the idea. 🤷♀️ I don't have to disguise myself. If I was a fan of either one, I'd say it. I've followed both of them at one point. They both go too far, and from all the clips I saw of Ethan, he was NOT being like... I don't know... it might be Lupus. He was pushing it way too much, and being extremely insensive to so many groups of people. My best friend has MS. So doing a friggin poll of "which disease would you rather: Lupus or MS" and Lupus wins by a landslide. Are you serious?? That is D.I.S.G.U.S.T.I.N.G. BEHAVIOR. 🤷♀️ But we can ignore all that because he had a weird blood test? He had heath anxiety? I simply think he pushed the Lupus thing TOO FAR. All you have to do is see his entire staff's reaction to finding out he doesn't have it... He made it seem like it was a sure thing, when he even admitted ChatGBT told him it was most likely nothing. It's kind of a dick move.
Jake sent Ethan’s test results to another physician for a second opinion? 😳 I’m not familiar with all the details of this drama, but I’m going to guess that Ethan made his medical test results public somehow? Still, what doctor in their right mind would willingly give an opinion on the test results of someone who’s not their patient, TOO someone who ISN’T that person? What on earth?!
Jake was being a hypocrite about it too, sending the labs to other doctors to "confirm" Ethan doesn't have anything, while invaliding Ethan about those labs when his own doctors look at it
Yeah that's the part that gives me the most ick. I wonder how Jake presented it to the doctor though? Did he just tell the doctor what the lab results were but presented it as a hypothetical? Like "hey, I know you're a doctor, so I have a question about a hypothetical scenario. If someone's lab results said xyz, what could that mean? That's the only way I can give the doctor the botd. Either way, it was gross of Jake imo
it makes me wonder how much more jake is hiding. how many people did he send it to? how many disagreed with him? how many agreed with him? how many were actually qualified? how many said "this is too little information"? how many said "this is absolutely creepy if not illegal" ?? it's also insane to me that jake had the audacity to say ethan probably just had eczema when he is 1) NOT a dermatologist and more importantly 2) HASN'T EVEN SEEN ETHAN'S SKIN IN PERSON????? i don't really like ethan, i disagree with things he's said before, but jake is so so *so* completely in the wrong here i can't believe there are people defending him just bc they don't like h3
i feel like "better than nothing" really does describe jake's whole apology. like , at least he said sorry, even if maybe he didn't mean it lol. love the vids tho, adam!
@@DissedRedEngie, I don't think Ethan cares about being "friend" with Jake at all. I think he knows that Jake got already enough backlash and he's satisfied with that. Ethan comes out on top, he doesn't need to double down on Jake...and he still pointed out that the apology didn't touch any of the accusations that Jake made in the first place
Everyone is SO missing that “health anxiety” replaced hypochondria in the most recent dsm, they are interchangeable/an out of date term with the new term.
Jake truly always gave me vibes of “I’m morally superior to everyone”, so I’m not really surprised about all of this happening. It was only a matter of time until he did something that crossed the line. I wasn’t expecting it to be toward H3 of all people tho. Jake, especially on his lives, will say a lot of things that point to him being a pretty self centered person. I also don’t like how he treats his gf most of the time, but that’s just a personal thing.
yeah, plus its just weirdly hypocritical as well, as jake was fine making jokes about his own stuff, but the second ethan joked about his anxiety regarding something he suspected he had, that crossed the line and deserved all this? like, i used to watch jake and tried to give it the benefit of the doubt he just had a kinda weird asshole sense of humor, but he had moments where hed joke about autism or ocd and when confronted, would seem frustrated having to explain he had it when his joke never implied a familiarity and the people he responded to also had them. why is he able to go and leverage so much against ethan for him joking about this subject to help with his anxiety, but jake can joke about his stuff and seemingly get upset when people dont already know he has it? it feels now like no ones allowed to question him or his health in any way, but the second he thinks ethan is 'doing it wrong' hes able to start sending labs to random doctors? especially when hes talked about how people have harassed him irl for not believing him including family, i dont know why he feels entitled to do the same to someone else for suspecting something that worries them. its this mindset and reaction from others that makes people scared to ever be open about their possible health issues, this idea that without a doctors okay that youre just not allowed to talk about your symptoms with reference or share your anxiety, its incredibly hypocritical and is the exact type of reaction disabled people fight against. how is jake allowed to leverage his diagnosis to avoid criticism for making a hit piece about someone elses health anxiety?
Most people who do his type of content(idk what the name would be called, I guess maybe he’s commentary? but there’s sub-communities of it like Slideshow or Art commentary and idk what that specific type is) come off that way, I started paying more attention to it after recent dramas and now it feels off watching some of those Content Creators even if they haven’t actually done anything but have a weird tone.
@@FTMothmanI think Kurtis Conner, Danny Gonzalez, and Drew Gooden is fair about it. I know this is like months later but sometimes people need to be called out for spreading misinformation.
I’m glad Ethan was so quick to point out the inaccuracy of Jake’s video. I got diagnosed with autoimmune arthritis at 18 (I’m almost 21.) Jake was purposefully leaving out certain facts and altering others to fit his narrative. His video failed to do the only thing he claims he set out to do with it.
the ableism was honestly kind of shocking to see. i unsubbed from his channel the instant i saw the title of that video because i’ve watched H3, seen ethan’s health journey and jake completely misconstrued info (and even just straight up lied at points) and as a chronically ill person who had submitted to Never Stop, it gave me and awful feeling about his bias and how he had opinions about health that are incredibly harmful
I don’t get how he made ableist or classist remarks unless you can give me some examples but I do agree that the apology wasn’t bad, just could have been a little longer
It seems like Jake feels ?superior? because he has a diagnosis and Ethan has no diagnosis so he has no basis for his health concerns. It’s not a “who’s sicker” competition. .
Again, it bothers me so much that he used so much of his time in this apology talking about HIS OWN illness and his non-profit. IT SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT HIM. At all. Also, the fact that he kept it so vague, people don't know all of the things he actually put Ethan through.
He's not apologizing for *what* he said, not truly. He's apologizing for getting pushback for *how* he said it. He says that it was an emotional reaction, but then in the video says that he did all this research for months and made a spreadsheet and pored over their donos and everything. This whole thing was very "I'm sorry you're offended." Also, he tried to distance himself from his weird behavior with trying to get a job with H3 or collab with the crew like it was so many years ago when he was in their inboxes recently. If I were the one in Ethan's place, I would find this apology very insincere.
i think what hasnt been blatantly said is that this is not a mistake. this was 4 months of vindictive work. you dont just “realize” you were wrong and apologize. bro needs to go get a job and come back when hes grown enough to act like an adult on the internet. in my opinion
Right? 4 months of, "rEsEaRcH" is unhinged. I wanna know what made him realize this wasn't a good video? What did he realize wasn't good about the video? I think he still thinks it was an amazing video! Likely why he never actually apologized to Ethan. He just seems annoyed he got called out.
Imagine spending multiple hours a day obsessing over someone you have repeatedly asked for work, but not in a positive or fun way like making memes, but you're combing thru EVERY video and EVERY livestream to support your blatantly false claims? The fact that he's even allowed to keep his channel is hilarious to me. People like that NEED to be offline employed and strictly consumers. All of his content aligns with negative criticism. It's not healthy just because it's jokes, it's a gallery of negativity and severe mental illness framed with uwu wholesome quips. In my humble opinny
He acts like he was “emotionally reacting” for 4 months? Seriously? Maybe he should look into that if it’s true, sounds like a long manic episode if that were to be true , which I don’t personally believe he had.. 😅 that’s too long to be “reacting emotionally”
his apology is giving “sorry you feel this way” energy like idk maybe I’m being biased bc tbh hearing all the odd stuff Jake did def put a bad taste in my mouth like I will NEVER look at him the same
I honestly think jake's original video and his apology is just as targested towards other disabled people as it is towards ethan, and frankly i dont accept it
I genuinely don’t think Doolittle believes what he did was wrong. There was a lot of “I came across like an asshole” instead of “I was an asshole.” It’s not clicking.
I still feel as though Jake Dolittle is not understanding the anxiety and stress that comes with facing the possibility of a serious medical issue. Gatekeepers are so obnoxious and hurtful. Also, he shouldn't defend himself in the same conversation of an apology.
That is the thing, he has been sick since he was 3 but was still searching for answers well into his teen years. I know that when you are young you don't understand these things the same way but he understood it well enough that he was interviewed at the time (later teen years) and said that hopefully with the fundraising that they had done that they would get answers from the specialist that they were flying to see It seems like to him he didn't think that Ethan was really sick (I have no idea how sick Ethan is or isn't, just that he has been seeing different doctors to try and get it figured out) and so decided that Ethan was faking for views. Again with Jake having chronic illnesses he should realise how well they can keep going with pain levels that would stop people that don't experience that on the regular so what is visible to you as the casual observer you can't use to determine anything really health wise.
Because apology videos are almost always completely horrific. That causes people to want to focus on the good parts about it. “At least he did _____.” Because you’re relieved to not see someone come on the screen with a ukulele. But it was barely the minimum, which is how you make the situation go away as fast as possible. Which I can empathize with, but that also means he can only be so sincere because he’s in the middle of the problem and wants to be out of it.
I just think when it comes to apology videos the bar is in hell, but the reality is that it should have been more thorough and detailed to show he actually understands what he did wrong and he’s not trying to hide it.
I really feel the frustration for Ethan. As someone who has had health concerns for years but was put off by family and doctors only for them to now realise "oh shit, you weren't kidding or exaggerating, you actually have problems you need to see someone", this insincere apology from Jake is frustrating as hell and is nowhere near enough. He didn't apologise for his actions of 4 months of "research", his accusations against Ethan and his mother, only "sorry you felt that way" to save face for his channel and non-profit (which btw felt a bit iffy after the "apology" when he goes on to talk about all this other good stuff he does with his nonprofit to redirect the apology to that and back to his channel, kinda felt like Colleens "im back" vlog with the 10sec quick empty apology)
I am 100% with Ethan here! Every point he made, I was screaming YES at the video. It's the point that Jake never said that he was outright giving false information and opinions based on personal feelings. Then he says "health anxiety", which the definition of says "abnormally concerned". It implies hypochondria and that's exactly what Jake was doing to make himself look better than he is. All Jake ever does is make mean videos based on his feelings. That's why I unsubscribed at least a year ago.
Honestly, I have a weird feeling this is what he wanted. Attention even if it was negative, which he’s shown many times he’s desperate for, and this is the natural follow up to the whole act. But that’s just me probably…
@@bagandbroad I believe this was about 49% genuine. He authentically believed it, but still didn't care enough if he was wrong to stop, not even after 4 months and a warning. It's just like WandaVision into Strange 2. People thought Wanda was okay but I knew she wasn't, she ignored Agatha and now she has to literally pull herself back together again. Tragique
Also he's apologizing for a video some of his audience hadn't even seen cause he privated it. and as his fans they probably wouldn't watch H3 they'd just blindly believe him. i only seen that cause i've seen some of his fans defending him like that claiming it wasn't malicious, when the things he did were malicious.
i completely sympathize with Ethan on the health anxiety and hypochondriac accusations. i rarely ever freak out about my health unless i feel like something is wrong, it feels incredibly dismissive when people see it as hypochondria.
If it makes more sense this way Adam, before I was sick and disabled I felt the same way about concepts like health anxiety. But disabled and sick people are FREQUENTLY dismissed as "just" having health anxiety and that's where the dismissive, snarky undertone lays. Dr. Doolittle over here was both doubting the diagnoses factually (checking them with another doctor is CRAZY) and also emotionally/mentally and people with chronic illness are so damn tired of this stuff, espeeecially from the people who are in a position "above us" like nonprofit runners, healthcare professionals, etc. who can tangibly harm us or our community. It's okay to not see the depth of it when you don't experience it, I hope that helps it make more sense why the denial is so deep running and hurtful :)
And who's to say that his bias toward people like Ethan doesn't impact who he chooses to donate to and who he rejects? Great points. Also LMFAO at "Dr. Doolittle"
Agree 100% I have serious health issues and everything he did was so deeply wrong and totally self-sentered and MALICIOUS. Jake is such a creep for doing this and posting the original video and that 'apology' could have been left off the internet too imo
@@gayhomosexuallll exACTLY. this "gotta sus out the fakers and ppl who are sick but not enough to my standards" attitude is a constant problem when accessing support from the medical field, insurance or nonprofits for example. not only is it hurtful to ethan and us viewers, it's probably also hurting the people he's supposed to help.
The outfits are from a vote done in a livestream last year. Each crew member presented possible uniforms for the podcast and Adam is correct in guessing that the outfits were Sam's idea. She won the popular vote for this outfit.
Considering everything he said and did qualifies Ethan to sue for defamation just shows how malicious the video was, and all the time that went into it, and the time it was up was not just a slip of the tongue.
Defamation only counts if it ruined Ethans reputation and caused financial loss. Neither of those things happened so suing would just qualify as a frivolous lawsuit.
I don’t have a chronic illness so it’s not the same but about 6 years ago I thought I could possibly have anxiety after googling and seeing my symptoms where the same and people didn’t take me seriously until it got really bad and I was diagnosed with it
You know yourself and a doctor just confirms it and can offer tools imo. Didn't need a doctor to tell me I'm depressed but to explore the nuance of dysthymia lol
@@nailinthefashion doctor didn’t even help they won’t give me tablets because of my asthma so now I’m getting blood tests done left right and centre. Should never have went to them 😂
it’s taken me over 10 years to get diagnosed with EDS and crohn’s disease.. the way he talked is as though doctors are reliable (they aren’t and everyone who is chronically ill knows this) and that people don’t understand their own bodies (you know when you feel off better than anybody else). trust your gut, keep fighting
@@lilliputianhitcher3808 this is so true. I’ve been going to the doctors for 5 years about my period and they keep dismissing me. They did the same to my granda he later died. It’s no news that you literally have to be on your death bed for then to even acknowledge
"i didn't take ethan's health anxiety into consideration" makes no sense when the title he chose was hypocrite or hypochondriac or whatever tf... he directly addressed it right there lmao what a blatant lie
I feel like, if Jake had legitimate concerns, as well as a few other viewers who would comment about how they were medical professionals or people with lupus who tried to console or educate Ethan, I feel like they could have made like a little group letter or video or something, and since Jake did have first hand contact within H3, he could have provided it to them, and it could very well handled… especially since AB literally reached out to try to prevent the situation from escalating.
it feels like Jake is enjoying this back and forth and this attention. kind of feels like he got what he's been wanting which is the attention of H3. even though it came in the form of baseless drama, bit of a collab in a way lol
i find it really weird how quick everyone is to forgive jake and to almost downplay to ethans own face how shitty the whole thing was. jake massively overstepped, barely apologized, didnt apologize to ab, and then ethan is the bad guy for not liking the apology.
Saying health concerns is so much of a better way to put it! I’m glad you said that. Usually when someone tells me I’m having health anxiety it’s to tell me that I’m overthinking and that there’s nothing wrong, which after people telling me it’s just anxiety for certain things they turned out to be really serious. But also sometimes I do overthink and have health anxiety, so I feel like I personally would associate that term with you’re overthinking just because of how it has been used when people are talking with me about my health concerns.
I only follow this issue through Adam’s reaction videos, so take that with a grain of salt. With that being said, this whole situation is icky. I feel like Jake Doolittle planned this out. It seems a little too coincidental that he prepped for months for this video, dropped it while H3 was on break, and then got however many days’ worth of free press over it before he “realized his mistakes” and took his video down. Knowing that he tried relentlessly to get employed by H3 and that it clearly wasn’t going to work out, it just seems like Jake tried to use H3 to his advantage in a different way. What Jake said wasn’t SO bad that he couldn’t recover from it, especially using his platform as a way to justify his position in the first place. Even in his “apology”, he plugs his foundation and that he hopes someday it will be able to sustain itself, but it’s “not there yet”. Coupled with AB flat out telling him not to post the video, this all just seems like Jake being that kid where “even negative attention is still attention” and that Jake wanted to capitalize off of Ethan further defending himself, which was an implied outcome based on AB saying “hey, don’t do that”. I bet Jake Doolittle’s name has been dropped more times in the last month with this “controversy” than has been in his whole RUclips career, which is a good move for him since he did decently apologize and will likely come back from the accusations he made in his video. Sorry if this comes off as overly cynical, just seems a bit to coincidental and strategic to me. I do feel that Jake Doolittle has his platform and genuinely believes in it, but that video he posted, in addition to knowing the H3 history, in addition to the weak, but “fine” (as multiple people have called it) apology, makes me think posting that video was more intentional than just his horror that someone would “belittle” the chronically ill (which I don’t believe was ever Ethan’s intention).
Also, his apology just sounds so scripted and monotonous. Compared to the video where he was talking about Ethan disgracing the chronically ill community and Jake was very animated and invested, the apology video literally seems like he is reading off a teleprompter. Doesn’t come off as genuine.
It is even worse, H3 were about to react to it (were talking about the times that Jake had reached out etc), Ethan said that if the video hadn't of still been up by the time they got back he wouldn't have reacted to it or commented about it. They finished the preamble, went to react and the video wasn't there anymore. It was like Jake thought if he did that then they would suddenly change their mind on what they were covering that day or wouldn't have thought to have it downloaded and so wouldn't be able to react.
"health anxiety" is the newest term for what was called "hypochondria"... but i can see how people who don't know that would see it as having just a general anxiety about health. and yeah, it's difficult for people who have health anxiety and are also facing real issues. oof been there
My read on Jake is that he seems like a very ambitious and driven young person. Ambition isn't a bad quality, but it can get you in trouble if you let it override everything else. So many creators have gotten themselves in hot water over the years by trying to do something attention-grabbing (stunts/scandals/hit pieces/shock content/ etc) rather than focusing on making consistent quality content that resonates with their niche audience. I think that Jake's ambition for his channel got the better of him and this contributed to him over extending the material for his Ethan video in attempt to construct a more exciting narrative: "Big Creator Caught Faking Sick to Scam Fans". This would have certainly made for more of a bombshell than "I Took Big Creators Health Issues Personally." However, the evidence to support that story was incredibly weak to non-existent. Guy got greedy and flew too close to the drama sun.
When it comes to something like this, only the people he hurt can really judge or accept / not accept the apology. If Ethan doesn't think he's done enough, then he hasn't. Sure we can say its better or worse than a standard youtuber apology just like you have done, Adam and that's completely valid. I can feel you are a bit on the fence and for me I'm going to stay on the fence too as I don't think we always need to have a strong opinion. This is why I like watching your videos, your opinion changes over time in sone circumstances and that's human. Instead of spouting strong opinions you dont really believe like some creators, then flip floping to follow the popular narrative, you think out loud, you process new information and stay open to others opinions and new information. When you change your opinion on certain things which all decent humans do when new information is presented to them, we can see its genuine. It's really refreshing to see in the content space x
i think we're all so used to youtuber apologies being absolute burning piles of canine feces that when someone kinda does the bare minimum, we're all ok with it idk
One of the many issues with American healthcare is that you HAVE to practically be your own doctor and do your own research. I had a doctor say I had a thyroid issue and put me on medication right away. If I hadn't done my own research, I would have never learned I had zero symptoms of anything thyroid related. I would have never demanded further testing and I'd be on medication that would make me deeply ill and actually damage my healthy thyroid. Doing your own research and reaching out to communities that are knowledgeable in what you're going through is GOOD. Jake should know this. Jake should know doctors aren't to be trusted blindly.
Also jake has wildly misrepresented his cHaRiTy. I was a fan, i was a long time viewer, and this video is the first time hes described Never Stop in this way
I also saw a video of Jake, someone else reacted to it, where he's reacting to this tik tok girl clearly a kid playing a character for attention, and claims her change of voice is her pretending she has some sort of mental illness, even though she says she isn' mentally ill nor is she pretending to be, she is playing a character, not a mentally ill character. it'd be like if someone saw chad warden from years ago, and taking him too seriously which people did but saying this a video example of that so how is she the one pretending to be mentally ill when she says she's not, so to me Jake seems condescending.
It’s giving “trying to save face” apology but not a genuine apology. We’re all allowed to talk about health issues. But to do a “deep dive” and try to dispute someone without any merit because of your personal beliefs while ignore actual facts is really ignorant behavior. And I actually only watched Jake because of your collab with him on that Shane video reaction. Otherwise I never watched him prior. I feel like Fraser (aka inabber) does a better version of what Jake does but with the research and expertise of swoop.
I don't like ethan. Personally I don't like the types of jokes of Autism he makes. Especially because im autistic myself but no one has the right to accept Jake's apology. Only ethan.. Just because he made an okay apology doesn't mean ethan has to accept it
Something abt Ethan has always rubbed me the wrong way also, I literally have no idea why but the vibes are off to me personally, but still this is rather messy
@@Xandrvick I've realized extremely crass people aren't funny to me, it's like lazy bullying for people who were/are mocked to feel better. Then I look at the skits and think "why do people like any of this" and move on lol
The thing is, his apology “I let my emotions dictate my actions” was strangely taken almost word for word from creater named Papa Gut, who covered the topic and suggested how Jake should come back from this.
I feel like with anxiety a lot of the time, your feelings are treated as irrational and a product of you overthinking. So I understood why Ethan would hear Jake use the term Health Anxiety and take it as another way of Jake implying that his health issues aren't actually serious.
i still stand on my stance that his apology video is a nothing burger… he apologised for the tone which is not the main problem here. he didn’t apologise for even a quarter of the things he did wrong. zero mentions of sending his bloodworks to a doctor without his consent (which is, you know, illegal), accusing him of lying for profits, accusing his mother of lying, gate keeping chronic illness, diagnosing him, and just straight up lying deserve more of an apology than an “angry tone”
I mean, at least he said the words "I'm sorry" that's more than a lot of online individuals have done lately. Though I agree other people deserved an apology in addition to Ethan.
That’s true, I don’t want to take away from that. But I also think everyone’s being a bit impacted with how horrible apology videos usually are, that makes you feel like you want to focus on the positive aspects of it. But the more time that passes the more I realize that wasn’t really a good apology at all. It was an apology, but it was missing pretty much everything else.
Seeing an entire 45 min take down video, which totally twisted the narrative of the situation btw, about someone else's very real health concerns and anxieties with waiting for a diagnosis and explanations about what the heck is going on with them was genuinely soo insane. Like, yes, sometimes you DO want a diagnosis so atleast you know where to start to help yourself. The entire thing just felt mean and really a case of "unable to look past your own bias and knee jerk reactionary response and actually dissect what's going on here."
I was with you, i thought the apology was great, and then upon hearing all the valid reasons why it wasn't the best, it made me realize that i thought it was so good bc the apology bar is set so low on social media!!!! People rarely take any kind of accountability, but i do see now how it was lacking!
I agree with your original sentiments on the apology Adam. We can’t be made when people try their best to apologize & take accountability AND when people avoid doing so or play the victim for all of time & joke about a scandal later. (Jaclyn, James & jeffree, etc) we’ve got to show humans SOME grace, especially if they don’t have a pattern of bad behavior. This is why people don’t apologize cuz they feel they’ll get picked apart anyways.
The video was fine as an outside party but I completely understood Ethan's opinion on it after watching it. Jake really should have brought up the donations thing, he's lucky Ethan was like like eh move on because that alone was a huge deal and he could have harped a lot more on it
Wait a minute. Jake gave Ethan’s blood work to a Doctor to diagnose. What did he tell the Doctor about why he was sending him someone’s blood test results. The Doctor sounds shady af too.
@@chrisblessing45 Yeah you’re right 100%. He lied a few times just during this. Who’s to say he actually did and didn’t just lie saying he did. Or he gave it to a friend that is a pre med student or something like that. I didn’t think about that until I read your comment. I have only seen Jake in the video of him and Adam looking at Shane’s birthday video. So that’s really the only video of his I’ve ever seen. And then the video that the apology was based on, on Adams channel that he reached to. He actually owes poor AB an apology too. He threw him under the bus then drove over him and backed over him again then drove over him a 3rd time and drove away.
I do feel for Jake. We"re all humans and sometimes we do/ say stupid things... I think Jake's ego got the better of him, which lead him to act in this manner. I think the aftermath is punishment enough.
Agreed. Ethan can turn his anxieties into a bit if he wants to, but he could have cleared up how much was a bit and whether there is any actual likelihood that he is chronically ill. I think making it into a bit for laughs, and then expecting people to take it seriously is a bit disingenuous. Which Ethan is anyway 😂 Not a fan of Jake either, but the response from fans is quite wild considering what others on here have gotten away with 🙄
LOLOL the outfits was because each crew member made an "uniform" for them to wear and then us audience members got to vote. yes, it was sams outfit idea LOL
It kind of reminds me of when a little kid can't get your attention for being good so they start acting out and behaving badly. Jake wanted attention from H3 and when he couldn't get it by working with them or being a part of H3, he decided to get it by behaving badly. So immature of him. Disappointed.
Think where some of Ethan taking ‘health anxiety’ a certain way is coming from is the diagnosis for hypochondria is now called health anxiety, so if Jake was not wanting to be ambiguous, he could’ve said anxiousness about his results etc
Anxiety is often from from external sources that are valid for many people. Being anxious is a typical emotion to experience. It is only disordered or a medical condition when it becomes disruptive / detrimental to the person. So it's a spectrum, much of which is within non-disordered range.
I agree with Ethan (6:50), the word anxiety connotes that it’s an excessive undue stress proportional to the cause. It’s like Dolittle is saying I’m sorry for that YOU FEEL this way” without acknowledging his denial of Ethan’s symptoms’ existence. As a women who’s often had my concerning symptoms chalked up to “anxiety” that I don’t have, I really relate to Ethan here.
You can’t convince me he wasn’t mad that after all this time trying to get attention from h3 he wasn’t doing this video because they have ignored him for years. It’s giving Johnny
to me, health anxiety is just that: anxiety about your health. doesn’t mean it’s wrong or irrational, it just means you’re anxious. however this apology isn’t for me, so if ethan feels it was bad wording then it was 🤷🏻
To be fair, “health anxiety” is often used interchangeably with health OCD, which is the less stigmatized phrasing for hypochondria. So having it land that way makes sense and it needed to be phrased differently for that reason.
In the definition of "health anxiety" that AB read, it is described as **abnormal stress**, not just a regular valid concern. Anxiety is pathological, a concern is completely healthy. Hope that clears it up! /g
@@gayhomosexuallllethan has an anxiety disorder. worrying about anything intensely enough could be considered part of his symptoms, depending on whether the level of stress is proportional to the threat. aside from that, AB was certainly reading something, but anxiety and worry are still two words that people use interchangeably.
I was initially drawn to Jake because I liked his commentary on Shane/Jeffrey. Now after this whole Ethan debacle, I have to wonder were those hit pieces made from a place of genuine concern, or did they in some way ‘spite’ him?
I personally feel like he was apologizing only because the public did not agree with him, i just started the video so i hope he'll also apologize for the whole community who he insulted.
As someone who has been chronically ill for 30 years, “health anxiety” is a terrible term to use. I don’t believe it was an underhanded insult BUT I completely understand where he’s coming from with finding the term insulting. When you’re chronically ill and spend years fighting doctor after doctor for testing and answers you go through a lot of gaslighting. Doctors telling you it’s in your head that it’s just anxiety it’s just nothing, etc. These are awful things to hear over and over again when you know you’re very unwell and it’s seriously impacting your life. But doctors aren’t helping and other people don’t believe you because they don’t understand how doctors aren’t helping. I’ve had doctors tell me it could be this or that too. Sharing what it could be doesn’t mean you’re anxious it just means you’re sharing what could be going on with you. That’s all he was doing was sharing his journey. Doesn’t mean he’s anxious about his health. If you’re trying to figure out a car to buy and you’re telling people, well a Camaro might be good for me. But you’re not set on it doesn’t mean you’re anxious about buying a car. Means you’re still figuring out what’s best. Nothing more nothing less.
I had NO idea he sent Ethan’s bloodwork to another doctor… that’s absolutely disgusting behavior.
I don’t think that’s legal? 😅
@@FabiolaRVela there’s no way it can be honestly.
Wtf
It's just the info that Ethan has given in his streams, there's no way Jake was able to have access to his actual medical info
@@FabiolaRVelaEDIT: apparently this is confusing for some people but i'm talking about the DOCTOR's implications in providing his opinion, not jake's actions, and i am talking about both legal and ethical codes! "this is between two internet people so HIPAA doesn't apply" is NOT relevant here 😭
it's not legal to review and comment on actual official test results, nor is it legal to give armchair diagnoses (suggesting possibilities is different) for someone who isn't in a patient contract with you especially on the internet, but since this other doctor is offline and probably only said "based on the verbal info you're telling me, I don't think it makes sense" it's probably legal. That's a personal, informal opinion. If Doolittle has Ethan's medical records (like if Ethan has ever shared them publicly) beyond just verbally saying a test result, then *the doctor's analysis and diagnostic input on them* is likely illegal and/or breaking ethical code. That's not to say Doolittle isn't allowed to have the records if Ethan posted them publicly, of course he is. It's that a doctor can't armchair diagnose some stranger via one single medical record or piece of info.
All of this speculation is based on not knowing the full extent of the conversation between Jake and this supposed doctor. We're discussing if the doctor in question may have done something punishable in all of that, which we can't really know without it being investigated and it won't. The point is, it's not unlikely they DID do something punishable either legally or to the board.
9:01 the reason why it’s irritating to Ethan that Jake said that is because the entire video Jake made was saying Ethan is lying about health for attention and money. It sounds like Jake is trying to still say Ethan is just being anxious but he doesn’t have health issues in a different way.
Definitely an understandable confusion. I believe Jake was taking the criticism about considering Ethan’s ocd and health anxiety as to why he continued to talk about the topic without diagnosis, and then apologized for it, but then used very poor wording.
For example, I have severe ocd and hashimotos. I was considered a hypochondriac but still legitimately sick, just lacking a diagnosis. People could (validly) say I was suffering from health anxiety while getting my diagnosis bc it took years and I was going crazy the whole time
This label of hypochondria hinders timely diagnosis which is why I’m angry Jake used it so flippantly and assigned malice with it.
I’m a bit frustrated neither side nor commentary channels are explaining this with reason.
Yes that was a sneaky way of doubling down imo. I don’t think he thinks Ethan is possibly sick still.
I agree. Jake didn’t admit his analysis was wrong. And he said he didn’t take into account Ethan’s “health anxiety”. The implication is that he was right about Ethan not being as ill as he thinks, but wrong about Ethan’s motivation. Imo.
It’s definitely degrading, to feel awful and have tests coming back weird to have people around you brush you off like that unfortunately isn’t uncommon but this is a stranger, from the internet. It’s like calling a woman moody, it’s said in a non confrontational manner but it feels pretty degrading when it’s directed at you.
Yep, and then saying he "didn't like health being talked about like that" ?? It's not your illness to talk about in any certain way Jake?
Its very "sorry for my tone" and not "sorry for the words i said"
He felt very annoyed to have to apologize
@@attackfoxHe could’ve been annoyed at the fact he made a stupid decision in publishing his outburst and now he’s mad embarrassed
@@Aylii1that’s what I took it as too personally
@@Aylii1 is that why he had it up for 3 weeks???
Yup and “I’m sorry if you feel offended”
My thing is, just because Ethan has money that doesn’t mean he’s not allowed to he upset or voice his concerns. One person’s struggles can hardly be compared to another person’s.
yeah, that really confused me in jakes video. obviously if you have access to funds to pay for these things, than getting treatments or appointments isnt as much of a worry, but no amount of money in your bank account means you just dont have to worry at all. you might not have to worry about the financial difficulties, but youre still dealing with these symptoms and these anxieties about your health, ease of access does not mean you suddenly dont deserve to be concerned about your health. like, looking over at my ma, no matter when she just got sick when she was fresh outta makin about a hundred k a year or now when shes on social security, shes still experiencing her symptoms and doesnt deserve to be looked down upon for her financial status. its a privilege that helps you, but it doesnt wipe away the problem from your mind
people are getting butthurt over everything nowdays
He didnt apologize for what he did, he apologized for his tone.
My input as a nurse. Sending patients lab results that are NOT YOUR OWN to other doctors for second opinions without the patient's consent has to be some sort of violation of HIPAA (patient privacy act in the US). Especially if you yourself are NOT a medical professional. If Ethan wanted a second opinion, he would've asked his own providers himself. Also, to ask for second opinions like that just based on his ANA levels and no other factors (like medical history, family history, other labs or diagnostic testing, etc) is definitely not helpful in making a reasonable medical judgment. Let the patient's diagnoses or any medical concerns be between the patient themselves and their medical providers. Jake definitely overstepped his boundaries.
thank you!!!
Im a nursing student currently I felt like this had to be illegal
No because we can’t even share simple patient info with other offices they need to sign a release form even if they were referred.
I'm not entirely sure about the details of the US patient privacy act, but where I'm from (sweden) it wouldn't be illegal for Jake to show the blood test result to another doctor, but it would be illegal for the doctor to tell Jake their opinion of it.
i think HIPAA only applies to medical centers and their staff(so the people who work at the hospital or clinic). In this case Jake does neither, so while ethically awful, he is not subjected to HIPAA law.
The issue is that he wasn’t specific enough. When you’re apologizing, you’re apologizing for everything that you did, not just the overall situation. It makes it seem like you either still don’t see fully why you’re in the wrong or that you’re not fully comfortable with admitting guilt. Either way, it makes the apology seem disingenuous.
Also, because he was factually wrong in many instances in his initial video, it’s only fair that he correct himself in his apology video.
agreed. switching AB’s “that’s insane” to “you’re insane” seems genuinely malicious and i can’t believe he didn’t even try to address it
Neither was Ethan imo 🙄
Yeah that’s what I got too. It wasn’t a good apology imo. I don’t believe he thinks he was wrong 😅
@@dandelion_official4812why would Ethan apologize in this situation?
I feel like some of the things he did are really hard to be solved with a simple "Im sorry". He aluded to Ethan's mom not being sick, he literally LIED about what Ethan did, he intentionally hid information to present his narrative which he was giddy to tell everyone. Dont even get me started on that insane spread sheet of donations. He said that vid took him 4 months to make, he also got told both by HIS fans and by AB not to go with it and he still did. That was not a simple emotional outburst, that was calculated and it was so spiteful and mean and manipulative. A "I apologise" wont cut it.
Also where’s the “sorry for stalking and harassing you AB”
Who is AB?
@@armadyl7AB is one of the crew members of h3 who fought at creator clash, Jake went to the hotel to wait out and ask the fighters if they wanted him to take their pictures because he wanted to get his name out there as a photographer, AB accepted and from there jake would message him repeatedly in a very uncomfortable and pressuring manner until AB agreed to do a collaboration with him (he also tried to do this with every other member of the H3 crew except for the sound guy Zach)
Jake definitely still is implying Ethan is lying, I agree. That apology was pretty half-assed and directed at his angry audience and not Ethan. To be honest, he doesn’t seem sorry to me.
Yeah my thoughts exactly.
his apology is more of him apologizing bc of the hate and less bc of the fact that he was wrong
His audience ate it up no crumbs so he was successful. He'll quietly enjoy his thousands of dollars while also taking it for granted lol
@@nailinthefashion he literally puts that money into other people. I don't see you doing that.
@@Lonesymphony25% of it*
@@chronicgoonergoober still 25% more than the amount you or most donate.
@@Lonesymphony I don't have money to give but if I was a stable thousandaire I would be fighting fang and nail to uplift people to my standard of living. I would provide receipts because there's no reason to hide it and it's not gloating if presented correctly. But MrBeast gets away with anything so I'm sure I could find a way.
You're right, you don't see me doing it because I got paid less than 20k a year for manual labor. I would work 8+ hours for 15.50 an hour, sometimes I wouldn't get overtime and it was legal because it was a privately owned business lol. I used to give makeup to my friends when I could but now I'm unemployed and after over a decade with the company they left me with just over 2k in severance after they closed. I spent all of it catching my parents up on bills so we have internet and water for a year at least.
Jake makes infinitely more than I ever have and possibly ever will lol for you to sit there so smugly and say "do more" to a chronically ill black person in America is insane. I take breaks from job hunting for a remote job by coming to youtube, I'm sitting in a house that is collapsing and filled with black mold. I can't go out because it's raining intensely.
Help me fight corruption instead of belittling me next time, please, for both of our sakes.
Health anxiety has really a much different connotation in the chronic illness community. It's used as a way to say it's all in your head. It's patronizing and it's condescending. You might not see it, Jake would.
This is a really good point. I actually suffer from health anxiety, as part of a wider anxiety disorder, so what irritated me was the assumption that health anxiety or "hypochondria" can just be "snapped out of" and isn't a real issue in its own right. But you are also 100% correct that it seems to be being used, here, to dismiss any valid concerns about physical health.
@@PartanBree awe shoot I'm sorry I hope what I wrote didn't come off as rude or flippant. You are completely correct. If it is a part of someone's OCD or anxiety disorder someone saying it's "just" health anxiety does not fix whatever the individual is feeling. It honestly comes off condescending to me no matter what, but that's just my perception!
Yeah i feel like anyone with chronic mental health problems alongside physical health problems knows all too well doctors dismissing your symptoms based on mental health diagnoses, it’s essentially a form of medical gaslighting to get you out the door faster and Jake really should be sensitive to that considering what he’s been through
Yeah, I agree with Ethan, he needed to address the things he got wrong and even in his apology, he just didn't really seem sorry as much as he didn't like the back lash.
Yeah otherwise it feels a response to the situation that is happening, not a response to the wrongdoings.
Jake didn't even address the fact that he was outright accusing Ethan of accepting sympathy donations from fans for his health and pity-baiting people for money and attention. His apology was just a mild skim over the least pressing claims he made, followed by then casually dropping that he's financially struggling to maintain his fundraiser for the ill- This was a wild undermining and brushover the absolute takedown he was confident he would be issuing to Ethan. He's completely pretending as though that video wasn't to vilify Ethan, but that it was instead an 'emotionally charged' criticism because of his connections to illness.
Not apologizing for the part where he took Ethan’s blood work and sent it to a doctor, who’s completely unfamiliar with Ethan’s medical journey, in an attempt to dunk on him is just bananas to me.
after watching jakes video a second time… my perspective has changed and i don’t think this was enough. it did feel like a quick apology video so he could get back to content and act like this was just a road bump and he never properly acknowledged the harm of his actions at all and how that reflects on him as the owner of a NFP
False accusations of faking are rampant against (especially invisible) disabled people and the mentally ill. As a disabled person, it's a huge problem. What he did was so harmful to those communities.
I think Ethan Klein is a deeply flawed individual. I stopped watching him years ago because I didn't like many of his actions. But no one deserves this. No one should have mental Illness or disabilities weaponized against them ... especially not in the name of content.
The fact that I need to even present an x-ray for people to believe I have scoliosis and can't do average human stuff like stand at a register for 8 hours is insane lol society is a needle prick away from collapse
I am disabled, and I do feel like people like Ethan make that issue worse.
He is going to doctors and telling millions of people that he thinks he has Lupus because of answers from ChatGBT.
That is the reason doctors don't take us seriously!! They think we are just getting our research from WebMD and panicking, It's so frustrating. I think how Ethan handled everything was wrong. Taking a poll of "what's better to have MS or Lupus?" That's just taking things too far.
I'm sorry, but a single wonky blood test or 2 does not make that ok. Ethan was experiencing no symptoms either. So I understand he has health anxiety, but I still don't think it's right.
I think Jake was right for calling him out, but his tone was off. So his apology was actually fine to me. 🤷♀️
@@cv6442 no he didn't.
found the disguised jake doolittle fan,
Ethan never said he had lupus
he said he MIGHT, stop this.
@ChrissaTodd he was heavily pushing the idea. 🤷♀️
I don't have to disguise myself. If I was a fan of either one, I'd say it. I've followed both of them at one point.
They both go too far, and from all the clips I saw of Ethan, he was NOT being like... I don't know... it might be Lupus. He was pushing it way too much, and being extremely insensive to so many groups of people. My best friend has MS. So doing a friggin poll of "which disease would you rather: Lupus or MS" and Lupus wins by a landslide. Are you serious?? That is D.I.S.G.U.S.T.I.N.G. BEHAVIOR. 🤷♀️
But we can ignore all that because he had a weird blood test? He had heath anxiety? I simply think he pushed the Lupus thing TOO FAR. All you have to do is see his entire staff's reaction to finding out he doesn't have it... He made it seem like it was a sure thing, when he even admitted ChatGBT told him it was most likely nothing.
It's kind of a dick move.
YEP
Jake sent Ethan’s test results to another physician for a second opinion? 😳 I’m not familiar with all the details of this drama, but I’m going to guess that Ethan made his medical test results public somehow? Still, what doctor in their right mind would willingly give an opinion on the test results of someone who’s not their patient, TOO someone who ISN’T that person? What on earth?!
Jake was being a hypocrite about it too, sending the labs to other doctors to "confirm" Ethan doesn't have anything, while invaliding Ethan about those labs when his own doctors look at it
Yeah that's the part that gives me the most ick. I wonder how Jake presented it to the doctor though? Did he just tell the doctor what the lab results were but presented it as a hypothetical?
Like "hey, I know you're a doctor, so I have a question about a hypothetical scenario. If someone's lab results said xyz, what could that mean?
That's the only way I can give the doctor the botd. Either way, it was gross of Jake imo
it makes me wonder how much more jake is hiding. how many people did he send it to? how many disagreed with him? how many agreed with him? how many were actually qualified? how many said "this is too little information"? how many said "this is absolutely creepy if not illegal" ??
it's also insane to me that jake had the audacity to say ethan probably just had eczema when he is 1) NOT a dermatologist and more importantly 2) HASN'T EVEN SEEN ETHAN'S SKIN IN PERSON?????
i don't really like ethan, i disagree with things he's said before, but jake is so so *so* completely in the wrong here i can't believe there are people defending him just bc they don't like h3
i feel like "better than nothing" really does describe jake's whole apology. like , at least he said sorry, even if maybe he didn't mean it lol.
love the vids tho, adam!
When Laura Lee's apology is more sincere and authentic something is like, so wrong. How wrong? So
“Sorry so anyway back to my drama videos where I criticize other people while sitting on my high horse.”
I feel like you can say for a RUclipsr apology it was fine, but you don't ever have to accept the apology someone gives you or forgive them.
Yuppp its unfortunately yards away from how horrible the others are but miles away from a truly acceptable apology
yeah, I wouldn't have accepted this "apology". I know Ethan is on his "let's make as many friends as possible" arc, but come on.
@@DissedRedEngie, I don't think Ethan cares about being "friend" with Jake at all. I think he knows that Jake got already enough backlash and he's satisfied with that.
Ethan comes out on top, he doesn't need to double down on Jake...and he still pointed out that the apology didn't touch any of the accusations that Jake made in the first place
Everyone is SO missing that “health anxiety” replaced hypochondria in the most recent dsm, they are interchangeable/an out of date term with the new term.
YES, a massive part of ocd is related to self diagnosing so it pisses me off the lack of compassion. Jake is NOT a dr, or psychologist.
thank you for educating! this is why we need to hear from actually informed people and not those who just have a hunch
His apology was a lot of buzz words with no substance. It was a "im sorry you feel that way"
Your mom is so supportive 😭🫶🏻 its so adorable
Love Mama Mucker, she's a legend 💜🦖💜
Jake truly always gave me vibes of “I’m morally superior to everyone”, so I’m not really surprised about all of this happening. It was only a matter of time until he did something that crossed the line. I wasn’t expecting it to be toward H3 of all people tho.
Jake, especially on his lives, will say a lot of things that point to him being a pretty self centered person. I also don’t like how he treats his gf most of the time, but that’s just a personal thing.
I was thinking the same thing about all of the things you said. I knew the day would come when he would do something crazy, h3 out of all people too.
yeah, plus its just weirdly hypocritical as well, as jake was fine making jokes about his own stuff, but the second ethan joked about his anxiety regarding something he suspected he had, that crossed the line and deserved all this? like, i used to watch jake and tried to give it the benefit of the doubt he just had a kinda weird asshole sense of humor, but he had moments where hed joke about autism or ocd and when confronted, would seem frustrated having to explain he had it when his joke never implied a familiarity and the people he responded to also had them. why is he able to go and leverage so much against ethan for him joking about this subject to help with his anxiety, but jake can joke about his stuff and seemingly get upset when people dont already know he has it? it feels now like no ones allowed to question him or his health in any way, but the second he thinks ethan is 'doing it wrong' hes able to start sending labs to random doctors? especially when hes talked about how people have harassed him irl for not believing him including family, i dont know why he feels entitled to do the same to someone else for suspecting something that worries them. its this mindset and reaction from others that makes people scared to ever be open about their possible health issues, this idea that without a doctors okay that youre just not allowed to talk about your symptoms with reference or share your anxiety, its incredibly hypocritical and is the exact type of reaction disabled people fight against. how is jake allowed to leverage his diagnosis to avoid criticism for making a hit piece about someone elses health anxiety?
Most people who do his type of content(idk what the name would be called, I guess maybe he’s commentary? but there’s sub-communities of it like Slideshow or Art commentary and idk what that specific type is) come off that way, I started paying more attention to it after recent dramas and now it feels off watching some of those Content Creators even if they haven’t actually done anything but have a weird tone.
@@FTMothmanI think Kurtis Conner, Danny Gonzalez, and Drew Gooden is fair about it. I know this is like months later but sometimes people need to be called out for spreading misinformation.
I’m glad Ethan was so quick to point out the inaccuracy of Jake’s video. I got diagnosed with autoimmune arthritis at 18 (I’m almost 21.) Jake was purposefully leaving out certain facts and altering others to fit his narrative. His video failed to do the only thing he claims he set out to do with it.
While his apology was ok, he really didn't apologize or explain the ableist and classist remarks
the ableism was honestly kind of shocking to see. i unsubbed from his channel the instant i saw the title of that video because i’ve watched H3, seen ethan’s health journey and jake completely misconstrued info (and even just straight up lied at points) and as a chronically ill person who had submitted to Never Stop, it gave me and awful feeling about his bias and how he had opinions about health that are incredibly harmful
@@lilliputianhitcher3808 ditto!!
classist? you don’t need to stick up for the rich. that’s a non-issue here.
@@mandaseg4995 what??? I don't think you understand what I'm saying lmao
I don’t get how he made ableist or classist remarks unless you can give me some examples but I do agree that the apology wasn’t bad, just could have been a little longer
It seems like Jake feels ?superior? because he has a diagnosis and Ethan has no diagnosis so he has no basis for his health concerns.
It’s not a “who’s sicker” competition. .
The apology gives "oopsie pls stop unsubbing" and not real, sincere, actually sorry.
Its youtube what do you expect.
The outfits btw are Sam creations, they did a contest coming up with new podcast uniforms and Sam's was fan-voted
Again, it bothers me so much that he used so much of his time in this apology talking about HIS OWN illness and his non-profit. IT SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT HIM. At all. Also, the fact that he kept it so vague, people don't know all of the things he actually put Ethan through.
He's not apologizing for *what* he said, not truly. He's apologizing for getting pushback for *how* he said it. He says that it was an emotional reaction, but then in the video says that he did all this research for months and made a spreadsheet and pored over their donos and everything. This whole thing was very "I'm sorry you're offended." Also, he tried to distance himself from his weird behavior with trying to get a job with H3 or collab with the crew like it was so many years ago when he was in their inboxes recently. If I were the one in Ethan's place, I would find this apology very insincere.
i think what hasnt been blatantly said is that this is not a mistake. this was 4 months of vindictive work. you dont just “realize” you were wrong and apologize. bro needs to go get a job and come back when hes grown enough to act like an adult on the internet. in my opinion
I think that's how some people go down rabbit holes into narrower and narrower ways of thinking about certain things. Doesn't seem too farfetched.
Right? 4 months of, "rEsEaRcH" is unhinged.
I wanna know what made him realize this wasn't a good video? What did he realize wasn't good about the video?
I think he still thinks it was an amazing video! Likely why he never actually apologized to Ethan. He just seems annoyed he got called out.
Imagine spending multiple hours a day obsessing over someone you have repeatedly asked for work, but not in a positive or fun way like making memes, but you're combing thru EVERY video and EVERY livestream to support your blatantly false claims?
The fact that he's even allowed to keep his channel is hilarious to me. People like that NEED to be offline employed and strictly consumers. All of his content aligns with negative criticism. It's not healthy just because it's jokes, it's a gallery of negativity and severe mental illness framed with uwu wholesome quips. In my humble opinny
He acts like he was “emotionally reacting” for 4 months? Seriously? Maybe he should look into that if it’s true, sounds like a long manic episode if that were to be true , which I don’t personally believe he had.. 😅 that’s too long to be “reacting emotionally”
Imo jake still thinks Ethan was wrong for self diagnosing, by the way he apologized seemed like he was only apologizing because of the backlash
his apology is giving “sorry you feel this way” energy like idk maybe I’m being biased bc tbh hearing all the odd stuff Jake did def put a bad taste in my mouth like I will NEVER look at him the same
I honestly think jake's original video and his apology is just as targested towards other disabled people as it is towards ethan, and frankly i dont accept it
this was really bad of jake honestly, like this isnt even typical ethan klein beef this was clearly just some weird attack
I genuinely don’t think Doolittle believes what he did was wrong. There was a lot of “I came across like an asshole” instead of “I was an asshole.” It’s not clicking.
I still feel as though Jake Dolittle is not understanding the anxiety and stress that comes with facing the possibility of a serious medical issue. Gatekeepers are so obnoxious and hurtful.
Also, he shouldn't defend himself in the same conversation of an apology.
That is the thing, he has been sick since he was 3 but was still searching for answers well into his teen years. I know that when you are young you don't understand these things the same way but he understood it well enough that he was interviewed at the time (later teen years) and said that hopefully with the fundraising that they had done that they would get answers from the specialist that they were flying to see
It seems like to him he didn't think that Ethan was really sick (I have no idea how sick Ethan is or isn't, just that he has been seeing different doctors to try and get it figured out) and so decided that Ethan was faking for views. Again with Jake having chronic illnesses he should realise how well they can keep going with pain levels that would stop people that don't experience that on the regular so what is visible to you as the casual observer you can't use to determine anything really health wise.
Jake didn’t apologize for hardly anything he actually said and did😂 Why does everyone think his apology is “okay” or “fine” lmao
He's a straight ⚪️ male, he can do anything
yeah i say fine for ethan he just wants to move on at this point not drag it out but it was a terrible apology
It could've been better. But at least it's better than him not giving any apology at all, and the fact that Ethan just wants to move on from it.
Because apology videos are almost always completely horrific. That causes people to want to focus on the good parts about it. “At least he did _____.” Because you’re relieved to not see someone come on the screen with a ukulele. But it was barely the minimum, which is how you make the situation go away as fast as possible.
Which I can empathize with, but that also means he can only be so sincere because he’s in the middle of the problem and wants to be out of it.
We're used to piss poor apology vids where either someone forces a single tear out for an excruciatingly long time or whips out the ukelele
I just think when it comes to apology videos the bar is in hell, but the reality is that it should have been more thorough and detailed to show he actually understands what he did wrong and he’s not trying to hide it.
I really feel the frustration for Ethan. As someone who has had health concerns for years but was put off by family and doctors only for them to now realise "oh shit, you weren't kidding or exaggerating, you actually have problems you need to see someone", this insincere apology from Jake is frustrating as hell and is nowhere near enough.
He didn't apologise for his actions of 4 months of "research", his accusations against Ethan and his mother, only "sorry you felt that way" to save face for his channel and non-profit (which btw felt a bit iffy after the "apology" when he goes on to talk about all this other good stuff he does with his nonprofit to redirect the apology to that and back to his channel, kinda felt like Colleens "im back" vlog with the 10sec quick empty apology)
I am 100% with Ethan here! Every point he made, I was screaming YES at the video. It's the point that Jake never said that he was outright giving false information and opinions based on personal feelings. Then he says "health anxiety", which the definition of says "abnormally concerned". It implies hypochondria and that's exactly what Jake was doing to make himself look better than he is. All Jake ever does is make mean videos based on his feelings. That's why I unsubscribed at least a year ago.
His apology is very much "sorry I got caught"
Thaaaaaank you
"I'm sorry you were offended (but I still think you're lying)"
Honestly, I have a weird feeling this is what he wanted. Attention even if it was negative, which he’s shown many times he’s desperate for, and this is the natural follow up to the whole act. But that’s just me probably…
@@bagandbroad No! Not just you! Negative publicity is still publicity.
@@bagandbroad I believe this was about 49% genuine. He authentically believed it, but still didn't care enough if he was wrong to stop, not even after 4 months and a warning. It's just like WandaVision into Strange 2. People thought Wanda was okay but I knew she wasn't, she ignored Agatha and now she has to literally pull herself back together again. Tragique
Ethan's outfit in the thumbnail out of context is just so precious. (Kudos to Sam for the new uniform design!) Great analysis as always, Adam!
Also he's apologizing for a video some of his audience hadn't even seen cause he privated it. and as his fans they probably wouldn't watch H3 they'd just blindly believe him. i only seen that cause i've seen some of his fans defending him like that claiming it wasn't malicious, when the things he did were malicious.
i’m still convinced jake’s apology was written by chatGPT
i completely sympathize with Ethan on the health anxiety and hypochondriac accusations. i rarely ever freak out about my health unless i feel like something is wrong, it feels incredibly dismissive when people see it as hypochondria.
If it makes more sense this way Adam, before I was sick and disabled I felt the same way about concepts like health anxiety. But disabled and sick people are FREQUENTLY dismissed as "just" having health anxiety and that's where the dismissive, snarky undertone lays. Dr. Doolittle over here was both doubting the diagnoses factually (checking them with another doctor is CRAZY) and also emotionally/mentally and people with chronic illness are so damn tired of this stuff, espeeecially from the people who are in a position "above us" like nonprofit runners, healthcare professionals, etc. who can tangibly harm us or our community. It's okay to not see the depth of it when you don't experience it, I hope that helps it make more sense why the denial is so deep running and hurtful :)
And who's to say that his bias toward people like Ethan doesn't impact who he chooses to donate to and who he rejects? Great points. Also LMFAO at "Dr. Doolittle"
Agree 100% I have serious health issues and everything he did was so deeply wrong and totally self-sentered and MALICIOUS. Jake is such a creep for doing this and posting the original video and that 'apology' could have been left off the internet too imo
@@gayhomosexuallll exACTLY. this "gotta sus out the fakers and ppl who are sick but not enough to my standards" attitude is a constant problem when accessing support from the medical field, insurance or nonprofits for example. not only is it hurtful to ethan and us viewers, it's probably also hurting the people he's supposed to help.
I agree with Ethan that he’s only apologizing for his coming across as mean and not for lying and just being wrong
The outfits are from a vote done in a livestream last year. Each crew member presented possible uniforms for the podcast and Adam is correct in guessing that the outfits were Sam's idea. She won the popular vote for this outfit.
I was so invested in this. How did I not notice that he never apologized for giving incorrect information?
Considering everything he said and did qualifies Ethan to sue for defamation just shows how malicious the video was, and all the time that went into it, and the time it was up was not just a slip of the tongue.
Defamation only counts if it ruined Ethans reputation and caused financial loss. Neither of those things happened so suing would just qualify as a frivolous lawsuit.
I don’t have a chronic illness so it’s not the same but about 6 years ago I thought I could possibly have anxiety after googling and seeing my symptoms where the same and people didn’t take me seriously until it got really bad and I was diagnosed with it
You know yourself and a doctor just confirms it and can offer tools imo. Didn't need a doctor to tell me I'm depressed but to explore the nuance of dysthymia lol
@@nailinthefashion doctor didn’t even help they won’t give me tablets because of my asthma so now I’m getting blood tests done left right and centre. Should never have went to them 😂
it’s taken me over 10 years to get diagnosed with EDS and crohn’s disease.. the way he talked is as though doctors are reliable (they aren’t and everyone who is chronically ill knows this) and that people don’t understand their own bodies (you know when you feel off better than anybody else). trust your gut, keep fighting
@@lilliputianhitcher3808 this is so true. I’ve been going to the doctors for 5 years about my period and they keep dismissing me. They did the same to my granda he later died. It’s no news that you literally have to be on your death bed for then to even acknowledge
@@boxbox5371 that's so ironic. Don't give up though. You're trying to solve a rubik's cube with feint colors. Hard, not impossible
"i didn't take ethan's health anxiety into consideration" makes no sense when the title he chose was hypocrite or hypochondriac or whatever tf... he directly addressed it right there lmao what a blatant lie
I feel like, if Jake had legitimate concerns, as well as a few other viewers who would comment about how they were medical professionals or people with lupus who tried to console or educate Ethan, I feel like they could have made like a little group letter or video or something, and since Jake did have first hand contact within H3, he could have provided it to them, and it could very well handled… especially since AB literally reached out to try to prevent the situation from escalating.
it feels like Jake is enjoying this back and forth and this attention. kind of feels like he got what he's been wanting which is the attention of H3. even though it came in the form of baseless drama, bit of a collab in a way lol
He'll be thanking them for working, "with" him 🤣 Guy's so tone deaf that like.. I wouldn't be surprised anymore
i find it really weird how quick everyone is to forgive jake and to almost downplay to ethans own face how shitty the whole thing was. jake massively overstepped, barely apologized, didnt apologize to ab, and then ethan is the bad guy for not liking the apology.
the music video for cher lloyd’s want u back is the only thing worth remembering from 2012. the definition of iconic
That and i dont care, and i knew you were trouble
14:56 reflecting back on this a year later with the new blackmailing drama, he did not commit to never make this mistake again
Saying health concerns is so much of a better way to put it! I’m glad you said that. Usually when someone tells me I’m having health anxiety it’s to tell me that I’m overthinking and that there’s nothing wrong, which after people telling me it’s just anxiety for certain things they turned out to be really serious. But also sometimes I do overthink and have health anxiety, so I feel like I personally would associate that term with you’re overthinking just because of how it has been used when people are talking with me about my health concerns.
I only follow this issue through Adam’s reaction videos, so take that with a grain of salt. With that being said, this whole situation is icky.
I feel like Jake Doolittle planned this out. It seems a little too coincidental that he prepped for months for this video, dropped it while H3 was on break, and then got however many days’ worth of free press over it before he “realized his mistakes” and took his video down.
Knowing that he tried relentlessly to get employed by H3 and that it clearly wasn’t going to work out, it just seems like Jake tried to use H3 to his advantage in a different way. What Jake said wasn’t SO bad that he couldn’t recover from it, especially using his platform as a way to justify his position in the first place. Even in his “apology”, he plugs his foundation and that he hopes someday it will be able to sustain itself, but it’s “not there yet”.
Coupled with AB flat out telling him not to post the video, this all just seems like Jake being that kid where “even negative attention is still attention” and that Jake wanted to capitalize off of Ethan further defending himself, which was an implied outcome based on AB saying “hey, don’t do that”.
I bet Jake Doolittle’s name has been dropped more times in the last month with this “controversy” than has been in his whole RUclips career, which is a good move for him since he did decently apologize and will likely come back from the accusations he made in his video.
Sorry if this comes off as overly cynical, just seems a bit to coincidental and strategic to me.
I do feel that Jake Doolittle has his platform and genuinely believes in it, but that video he posted, in addition to knowing the H3 history, in addition to the weak, but “fine” (as multiple people have called it) apology, makes me think posting that video was more intentional than just his horror that someone would “belittle” the chronically ill (which I don’t believe was ever Ethan’s intention).
Also, his apology just sounds so scripted and monotonous. Compared to the video where he was talking about Ethan disgracing the chronically ill community and Jake was very animated and invested, the apology video literally seems like he is reading off a teleprompter. Doesn’t come off as genuine.
It is even worse, H3 were about to react to it (were talking about the times that Jake had reached out etc), Ethan said that if the video hadn't of still been up by the time they got back he wouldn't have reacted to it or commented about it. They finished the preamble, went to react and the video wasn't there anymore. It was like Jake thought if he did that then they would suddenly change their mind on what they were covering that day or wouldn't have thought to have it downloaded and so wouldn't be able to react.
"health anxiety" is the newest term for what was called "hypochondria"... but i can see how people who don't know that would see it as having just a general anxiety about health. and yeah, it's difficult for people who have health anxiety and are also facing real issues. oof been there
My read on Jake is that he seems like a very ambitious and driven young person. Ambition isn't a bad quality, but it can get you in trouble if you let it override everything else. So many creators have gotten themselves in hot water over the years by trying to do something attention-grabbing (stunts/scandals/hit pieces/shock content/ etc) rather than focusing on making consistent quality content that resonates with their niche audience.
I think that Jake's ambition for his channel got the better of him and this contributed to him over extending the material for his Ethan video in attempt to construct a more exciting narrative: "Big Creator Caught Faking Sick to Scam Fans". This would have certainly made for more of a bombshell than "I Took Big Creators Health Issues Personally." However, the evidence to support that story was incredibly weak to non-existent. Guy got greedy and flew too close to the drama sun.
You pumping out the content like a queen 🤴
When it comes to something like this, only the people he hurt can really judge or accept / not accept the apology. If Ethan doesn't think he's done enough, then he hasn't. Sure we can say its better or worse than a standard youtuber apology just like you have done, Adam and that's completely valid. I can feel you are a bit on the fence and for me I'm going to stay on the fence too as I don't think we always need to have a strong opinion. This is why I like watching your videos, your opinion changes over time in sone circumstances and that's human. Instead of spouting strong opinions you dont really believe like some creators, then flip floping to follow the popular narrative, you think out loud, you process new information and stay open to others opinions and new information. When you change your opinion on certain things which all decent humans do when new information is presented to them, we can see its genuine. It's really refreshing to see in the content space x
i think we're all so used to youtuber apologies being absolute burning piles of canine feces that when someone kinda does the bare minimum, we're all ok with it idk
One of the many issues with American healthcare is that you HAVE to practically be your own doctor and do your own research. I had a doctor say I had a thyroid issue and put me on medication right away. If I hadn't done my own research, I would have never learned I had zero symptoms of anything thyroid related. I would have never demanded further testing and I'd be on medication that would make me deeply ill and actually damage my healthy thyroid. Doing your own research and reaching out to communities that are knowledgeable in what you're going through is GOOD. Jake should know this. Jake should know doctors aren't to be trusted blindly.
Also jake has wildly misrepresented his cHaRiTy. I was a fan, i was a long time viewer, and this video is the first time hes described Never Stop in this way
Ohhh interesting… How has he described it before?
The outfits are from a Uniform Making contest. Sam won and this was her design. They’re gonna wear it forever now 😉
Cut to todays stream😂
I also saw a video of Jake,
someone else reacted to it,
where he's reacting to this tik tok girl clearly a kid playing a character for attention,
and claims her change of voice is her pretending she has some sort of mental illness,
even though she says she isn' mentally ill nor is she pretending to be,
she is playing a character, not a mentally ill character.
it'd be like if someone saw chad warden from years ago,
and taking him too seriously which people did but saying this a video example of that
so how is she the one pretending to be mentally ill when she says she's not,
so to me Jake seems condescending.
It’s giving “trying to save face” apology but not a genuine apology. We’re all allowed to talk about health issues. But to do a “deep dive” and try to dispute someone without any merit because of your personal beliefs while ignore actual facts is really ignorant behavior.
And I actually only watched Jake because of your collab with him on that Shane video reaction. Otherwise I never watched him prior. I feel like Fraser (aka inabber) does a better version of what Jake does but with the research and expertise of swoop.
I don't like ethan. Personally I don't like the types of jokes of Autism he makes. Especially because im autistic myself but no one has the right to accept Jake's apology. Only ethan.. Just because he made an okay apology doesn't mean ethan has to accept it
Something abt Ethan has always rubbed me the wrong way also, I literally have no idea why but the vibes are off to me personally, but still this is rather messy
@@Xandrvick I've realized extremely crass people aren't funny to me, it's like lazy bullying for people who were/are mocked to feel better. Then I look at the skits and think "why do people like any of this" and move on lol
hes also a huge zionist racist and dating an ex israel soldier
Adam when he goes to space: ⊑⟒⌰⌰⍜ ⋔⎍☊☍⟒⍀⌇
Outfit lore: fans voted on uniform for cast
Thank you! Would have never known other wise…
The thing is, his apology “I let my emotions dictate my actions” was strangely taken almost word for word from creater named Papa Gut, who covered the topic and suggested how Jake should come back from this.
I feel like with anxiety a lot of the time, your feelings are treated as irrational and a product of you overthinking. So I understood why Ethan would hear Jake use the term Health Anxiety and take it as another way of Jake implying that his health issues aren't actually serious.
There is another layer to that too, hypochondria has been renamed health anxiety or illness anxiety disorder
i still stand on my stance that his apology video is a nothing burger… he apologised for the tone which is not the main problem here. he didn’t apologise for even a quarter of the things he did wrong. zero mentions of sending his bloodworks to a doctor without his consent (which is, you know, illegal), accusing him of lying for profits, accusing his mother of lying, gate keeping chronic illness, diagnosing him, and just straight up lying deserve more of an apology than an “angry tone”
Hi Adam, just wanted to comment and wish you a good day. Thanks for being so consistent!
I mean, at least he said the words "I'm sorry" that's more than a lot of online individuals have done lately. Though I agree other people deserved an apology in addition to Ethan.
That’s true, I don’t want to take away from that. But I also think everyone’s being a bit impacted with how horrible apology videos usually are, that makes you feel like you want to focus on the positive aspects of it. But the more time that passes the more I realize that wasn’t really a good apology at all. It was an apology, but it was missing pretty much everything else.
Seeing an entire 45 min take down video, which totally twisted the narrative of the situation btw, about someone else's very real health concerns and anxieties with waiting for a diagnosis and explanations about what the heck is going on with them was genuinely soo insane. Like, yes, sometimes you DO want a diagnosis so atleast you know where to start to help yourself. The entire thing just felt mean and really a case of "unable to look past your own bias and knee jerk reactionary response and actually dissect what's going on here."
I was with you, i thought the apology was great, and then upon hearing all the valid reasons why it wasn't the best, it made me realize that i thought it was so good bc the apology bar is set so low on social media!!!! People rarely take any kind of accountability, but i do see now how it was lacking!
I agree with your original sentiments on the apology Adam. We can’t be made when people try their best to apologize & take accountability AND when people avoid doing so or play the victim for all of time & joke about a scandal later. (Jaclyn, James & jeffree, etc) we’ve got to show humans SOME grace, especially if they don’t have a pattern of bad behavior. This is why people don’t apologize cuz they feel they’ll get picked apart anyways.
i got the vibes of “i talk about my illnesses but not enough people feel bad for me 😢!”
The video was fine as an outside party but I completely understood Ethan's opinion on it after watching it. Jake really should have brought up the donations thing, he's lucky Ethan was like like eh move on because that alone was a huge deal and he could have harped a lot more on it
Jake is not coming back from this imo. I say this as someone who used to be a fan. His apology felt very insincere🤦♂️
Wait a minute. Jake gave Ethan’s blood work to a Doctor to diagnose. What did he tell the Doctor about why he was sending him someone’s blood test results. The Doctor sounds shady af too.
He SAID he did that but did he really? I thinknJake lied blatently about a ton of things and that might just be another lie
@@chrisblessing45
Yeah you’re right 100%. He lied a few times just during this. Who’s to say he actually did and didn’t just lie saying he did. Or he gave it to a friend that is a pre med student or something like that. I didn’t think about that until I read your comment. I have only seen Jake in the video of him and Adam looking at Shane’s birthday video. So that’s really the only video of his I’ve ever seen. And then the video that the apology was based on, on Adams channel that he reached to. He actually owes poor AB an apology too. He threw him under the bus then drove over him and backed over him again then drove over him a 3rd time and drove away.
I do feel for Jake. We"re all humans and sometimes we do/ say stupid things... I think Jake's ego got the better of him, which lead him to act in this manner. I think the aftermath is punishment enough.
Agreed. Ethan can turn his anxieties into a bit if he wants to, but he could have cleared up how much was a bit and whether there is any actual likelihood that he is chronically ill. I think making it into a bit for laughs, and then expecting people to take it seriously is a bit disingenuous. Which Ethan is anyway 😂 Not a fan of Jake either, but the response from fans is quite wild considering what others on here have gotten away with 🙄
LOLOL the outfits was because each crew member made an "uniform" for them to wear and then us audience members got to vote. yes, it was sams outfit idea LOL
It kind of reminds me of when a little kid can't get your attention for being good so they start acting out and behaving badly. Jake wanted attention from H3 and when he couldn't get it by working with them or being a part of H3, he decided to get it by behaving badly. So immature of him. Disappointed.
Think where some of Ethan taking ‘health anxiety’ a certain way is coming from is the diagnosis for hypochondria is now called health anxiety, so if Jake was not wanting to be ambiguous, he could’ve said anxiousness about his results etc
Anxiety is often from from external sources that are valid for many people. Being anxious is a typical emotion to experience. It is only disordered or a medical condition when it becomes disruptive / detrimental to the person. So it's a spectrum, much of which is within non-disordered range.
I agree with Ethan (6:50), the word anxiety connotes that it’s an excessive undue stress proportional to the cause. It’s like Dolittle is saying I’m sorry for that YOU FEEL this way” without acknowledging his denial of Ethan’s symptoms’ existence. As a women who’s often had my concerning symptoms chalked up to “anxiety” that I don’t have, I really relate to Ethan here.
You can’t convince me he wasn’t mad that after all this time trying to get attention from h3 he wasn’t doing this video because they have ignored him for years. It’s giving Johnny
to me, health anxiety is just that: anxiety about your health. doesn’t mean it’s wrong or irrational, it just means you’re anxious. however this apology isn’t for me, so if ethan feels it was bad wording then it was 🤷🏻
To be fair, “health anxiety” is often used interchangeably with health OCD, which is the less stigmatized phrasing for hypochondria. So having it land that way makes sense and it needed to be phrased differently for that reason.
In the definition of "health anxiety" that AB read, it is described as **abnormal stress**, not just a regular valid concern. Anxiety is pathological, a concern is completely healthy. Hope that clears it up! /g
@@gayhomosexuallllethan has an anxiety disorder. worrying about anything intensely enough could be considered part of his symptoms, depending on whether the level of stress is proportional to the threat. aside from that, AB was certainly reading something, but anxiety and worry are still two words that people use interchangeably.
I thought so too until I looked up hypochondria and got the result of Hypochondria Also called: health anxiety, illness anxiety disorder
Waiting for Ethan to pause the video to react to it is like waiting for the beat to drop on a song and it’s just as satisfying too
I was initially drawn to Jake because I liked his commentary on Shane/Jeffrey. Now after this whole Ethan debacle, I have to wonder were those hit pieces made from a place of genuine concern, or did they in some way ‘spite’ him?
I personally feel like he was apologizing only because the public did not agree with him, i just started the video so i hope he'll also apologize for the whole community who he insulted.
Sorry you are disappointed
the room your in looks like your filming a drama recap in the royal palace, and I am here for it 😍
I'm here from the future!
Spoiler! Jake didn't do better.
Right, youtube is so funny for making this video show up in my recommendations rn😂
@StillStunnedCat 😂😂😂 RUclips never forgets! Lol
He should have apologized in general to Ethan not for just "health anxiety"
As someone who has been chronically ill for 30 years, “health anxiety” is a terrible term to use. I don’t believe it was an underhanded insult BUT I completely understand where he’s coming from with finding the term insulting. When you’re chronically ill and spend years fighting doctor after doctor for testing and answers you go through a lot of gaslighting. Doctors telling you it’s in your head that it’s just anxiety it’s just nothing, etc. These are awful things to hear over and over again when you know you’re very unwell and it’s seriously impacting your life. But doctors aren’t helping and other people don’t believe you because they don’t understand how doctors aren’t helping. I’ve had doctors tell me it could be this or that too. Sharing what it could be doesn’t mean you’re anxious it just means you’re sharing what could be going on with you. That’s all he was doing was sharing his journey. Doesn’t mean he’s anxious about his health. If you’re trying to figure out a car to buy and you’re telling people, well a Camaro might be good for me. But you’re not set on it doesn’t mean you’re anxious about buying a car. Means you’re still figuring out what’s best. Nothing more nothing less.