I hate that Jake won't acknowledge that people can be excited to receive a diagnosis because it leads to answers. People tend to feel better when they can put a name to what they are experiencing.
It gives them a name *and* ways that the issue could potentially be treated/managed. Getting a (hopefully accurate) diagnosis is definitely something to be excited about.
Yes!! I have been dealing with chronic issues for 2 years now that my doctor has stated he believes to be rheumatological, but we do not currently have enough info to pinpoint a specific diagnosis. I've had people in my life passive aggressively accuse me of "wanting a diagnosis " as if I WANT to have a serious condition. I don't! But a diagnosis of anything, even something serious, would mean an end to the constant uncertainty and anxiety! Even if it was serious, at least I would have a path forward, treatment options, communities to reach out to, lifestyle management to implement. And if I do have something serious, I would want to know as soon as possible! Speaking from experience, being told that you want to be sick for attention, when all you want is answers and information is SO insulting and infuriating. I would have thought that Jake of all people would understand!
I cried from relief in the doctor's office when I was finally diagnosed with hypothyroidism when I was 18. I'd gone through so much shit and other doctors dismissing me or telling me my symptoms were my fault that to finally have someone say, "yeah, you just have a shitty thyroid" and then have an actionable plan moving forward to deal with it was the most amazing thing to hear.
This is so incredibly true for me. I remember feeling so discouraged, would lose all hope when there was no diagnoses even though my symptoms were destroying me. i got my diagnoses and getting help for it now, but the searching and testing for years on end while being chipped away at by said illness put me thru trauma
I don't understand how Ethan speculating about his OWN health is somehow more problematic than Jake, who is not a health professional, speculating on someone else's 😅
Also, adding that if Ethan was “excited” by a Lupus diagnosis it probably meant that he would finally understand what might be wrong. I remember getting to a point in my health journey when i really didn't care what my diagnosis was but i wanted a diagnosis so that whatever was causing pain could FINALLY be treated. Health journeys are difficult 🤷♀️
Currently at that stage right now. Getting a bunch of tests done hoping for SOME answer. It’s unimaginably frustrating and scary. I have some obvious symptoms that *something* is going on, so thankfully it’s not as easy to dismiss, but having 0 answers means 0 treatment plan. Which means things will either stay the same or get worse. It’s a horrible limbo to be in
My doc was so confused when she told me my colonoscopy test was normal and I cried and I'm like SO I STILL DON'T KNOW??? Will I ever know? (No, she didn't figure it out and just told me to lose weight.) It's part of coping to say "it's probably this" and try to plan a way to make things better for yourself.
If he would've argued that Ethan was being insensitive or offensive I would've disagreed but understood, but arguing that Ethan is knowingly lying about his health status for money is just an insane conclusion.
Fr, its okay and understandable as a chronically ill person to have issues with the joke but to start making conspiracy theories abt someone else's health is insane. Its so ableist too, esp in a society where one needs a lot of diagonses and may not have the resources for it to start speculating one someone's health is not okay. Ethan might just have health anxiety but even if he didnt, its so ableist to imply that he was lying or faking. Which is sadder since jake is a disability advocate.
I pronounce words wrong CONSTANTLY even when my doctor says them to me first, so that point was beyond stupid. Also, being excited for a diagnosis is NOT a negative. I have chronic health issues and was BEYOND HAPPY to get a diagnosis finally because it finally meant i could start treating what exactly was wrong instead of the endless guesswork and anxiety.
I have a condition i cannot pronounce. I have autism and an auditory processing disorder, so i can’t properly process the way others are saying the word, and can’t formulate it myself in my mouth, and ive been accused of lying about it because “if you had it you’d be able to say it” tell that to the 4 year old dying of alveolar rhabdomyosarcoma, does she not have cancer because she can’t say it?
I also get excited when I finally have a title on what I've been going through. I'm autistic and my whole life seemed upside and I had NO IDEA why! Finding titles seems like you're one step closer into treating yourself, accommodating yourself, and realizing your needs.
Also Ethan is dyslexic, and many of his chats with doctors have been written. For someone who claims to be a huge fan of h3h3, you'd think Jake would know this lol
I think jake took it way too personal since he himself is sick and projected a lot of it unto ethan. Ethan throughout never claims to actually have anything, he is just speculating like most people do.
I was thinking the same thing. Saying “oh I know you’re fine” versus “if there is a chance you can beat cancer, I hope you do”. Are so different. So so so different.
I'm chronically ill too. Ethan just seems to have health anxiety, he isn't faking anything. humor is a way of coping for a lot of us. Also, I'm sure most people in the chronic illness community understand the frustration and fear that comes with not knowing what is going on with our health. it can be overwhelming, and Ethan is not exempt from that health anxiety
Yeah he has generalized anxiety disorder! I dealt with health issues all last year and it was all I could think about, it took all of my mental energy. Getting a diagnosis was a huge relief because I felt like I could finally move forward
@@danween point is he doesn’t know what’s wrong with him all he knows is he’s sick and it could be something bad, how he copes is definitely distasteful however I think he’s trying to be comedic. I hope he apologises somewhat.
Besides his own personal experience, what makes Jake so qualified to determine who and how people discuss their health journey? It’s not like Ethan made a GoFundMe explicitly lying about having an illness for money. Jake of all people should know there’s usually a process in seeking treatment. And death threats are never okay, but to try and use that to deflect and stop any criticism is so disappointing
jake really made a whole video shaming self-diagnosis, and then went on to try & diagnose a person he doesn't know with ZERO medical training/education. the whole thing just reeks of unprofessionalism and ego.
Him being chronically ill and doing this makes it even worse because he KNOWS how painful it is to suffer with symptoms and have no one believe you. He KNOWS what’s it’s like to have health anxiety but everyone tells you it’s fine. He knows first hand how traumatic it is to have someone question your symptoms and yet he does it to someone else
You can't technically have Chronic Lyme disease, that's just called dead. You can have post treatment Lyme disease syndrome. Ironically Cronic Lyme Disease is used to refur to people with symptoms but no official diagnosis from a doctor or to refer to the post treatment syndrome symptoms. Not that any of this matters, it's all semantics and only really matters if you are a Healthcare professional. But for someone who is nit picking someone else and throwing out the disinformation card, you can at least use proper terms and nomenclature for your own illness, took 10 minutes of reading on my own to figure it out and type this. You'd think a full-time youtuber who's been suffering from it for years would know a bit more than me and have the time to read up and write a script.
also not to compare their situations, but he has experience with all those things when it comes to his knee and having lymes disease. Ethan is here stressing about potentially having blood cancer when he has three young children and a wife! like how scary must it be to not be believed, not only when you’re not feeling well, but when you think you have a fatal illness
Jake did make some good points but I took issue with a lot of what he presented. The framing of Ethan as “faking lupus for views” seems soooo disingenuous. Ethan was very clearly joking and poking fun at his own health anxieties. And Jake should have presented some kind of evidence that the people who donated to talk about their own diagnoses wouldn’t have donated anyways.
Yeah, if anything the examples he read out were a lot of people with these conditions who were acknowledging that Ethan might not have them and trying to ease some of his anxiety. And a lot of chat donations are made in order to ensure the creator sees the comment. I didn’t get the impression that any of them were donating with the belief that they were contributing to Ethan’s treatment for anything.
Exactly, he really presses on the donos and on Ethans wealth, and shows clips of him joking about how horrible the healthcare system is unless you have money and Jake just takes it as real. It’s like when you and your friend group don’t like someone and everything they do is bad to you and then you try to explain it to someone outside that group
the entire point is that ethan is the one that started the conversation. because of that people donated. they obviously wouldnt have donated if ethan didnt go around saying he probably had lupus?
Ethan's doctors (based on what he told us on the pod) always said that his exams were always "inconclusive" so I get why he went around the internet trying to understand what he had. And he was clearly anxious about the results because he has three kids that he wants to take care of and watch grow up. The momment his doctor confirmed that it was NOT lupus, he literally told us too on the pod lol
As somebody who has Lupus, this gave Lupus a lot of exposure. He even took time in the podcasts to mention wanting to pay medical bills for those who had Lupus when he was first going through his own scares, because he understood he may not have it, but that others did officially have it and he could already tell what pain the bills are. (Anybody going through specialist care in the US can say what a burden it is to the wallet, especially when getting infusion care for Lupus) He probably felt that real fear of "What if I have this?" just at a baseline, which many can't even have the heart to begin to understand. Many I meet don't even know what Lupus is, and just blow it off. To speak on the exposure part: In my time in Lupus communities, I have seen SO MANY men talk about how they were diagnosed with Lupus by one rheumatologist, and when they have to switch for whatever reason, their new rheumatologist will believe differently under the extremely misinformed and harmful myth of "Men can't have Lupus!!" and their diagnosis, and potentially their treatment, was ripped away from them. Many people do not believe men can have Lupus, and gatekeep it as such, be it doctors or people online and for whatever myth causes such misinformation to be prevalent. It is horrible, and when I saw Ethan talking about his fears and the results, I felt so sad for him as I would never wish this on anybody. Many of us know the journey and how symptoms can present but how it can take YEARS to properly "present" tests wise, or fully symptom wise, and in the meantime we suffer from horrific side effects. But I recognized also that he is a man, and I saw this and was grateful he was talking about it, even if it's a scare, because not enough talk about how men can have Lupus, or be at risk for it like anybody else. I cannot imagine how this is seen in men, as I do feel often they are also maybe under-diagnosed for what is a real condition to them as well. This was a positive exposure for Lupus just in itself for maybe people to think "wow what is Lupus?" and look into it, but also to help tackle the harmful stigma that men cannot have Lupus; it helped breach that subject imo and create conversation where hopefully many could learn. Can it still flare up later? Absolutely. So to discount him as "lying" or "faking" is also just a disservice to those who feel like they are faking or lying, when it can end up taking 7 years for some to even get their diagnosis. It took me 4 years to get a diagnosis; everything pointed to no until it pointed to yes; the signs were there the whole time just like for him. I wasn't lying when I would tell friends back then I worried I had Lupus. I don't think being aware with the concerns doctors tell us is "lying" or trying to profit, and it's a horrible gate-keeping mentality to Lupus and just chronic illnesses/autoimmune diseases in general to act like somebody is lying or trying to profit by being open about something that is often unsure. When a chat member shared their loss of their male partner being diagnosed and subsequently passing, it was hard and they noted Ethan did wrong by continuing to talk about. But I think it's more reason to give voice and notice to men potentially having Lupus, and in my opinion that is all he was doing. It is not IMPOSSIBLE and it makes it hard for people to even consider something is wrong with them, especially men, when men are gatekeeping OTHER MEN about what they can or can't have under the guise of "it's for women!" As a woman, I don't want Lupus gatekept; I want proper research, and many doctors will ignore the potential for Lupus in men BECAUSE they are men. THAT is a problem, and it skews results and Lupus can kill. Many illnesses have less studies, information, research done for certain categories who are afflicted by said illness because those affected don't go out and get help or treatment until it's too late, especially speaking towards men. Pretending like men can't have Lupus can and DOES kill. I do believe things could have been put a bit more eloquently, but this isn't formed as a "My journey to the diagnosis of Lupus" but just as "I had a health scare and I'm concerned." He has spoken many times on his anxiety, and he is just voicing his worries. It is human to be worried. Men chronically struggle to go and get help for their health issues, and to have it fought so "valiantly" by Jake while he is parading around "I am a voice for chronic illness!" is crazy to me as he has done the opposite and it creates more fear for men to speak up about A. Lupus, or B. being sick and being concerned about results. We ALL get scared by results!!! Stop criminalizing it or trying to cancel somebody for it!
bro this. this right here. Jake has done more harm than ethan by taking like 90% profit from his funds supposedly being a non-profit to help those with medical needs.
one more thing that bothers me with Jake's video is that just because Ethan doesn't have a diagnosis yet doesn't mean that something isn't going on with his health. Many illnesses can take months or years to correctly diagnose. I feel like this invalidates people who don't yet have a diagnosis. The symptoms and health concerns are still real even pre-diagnosis.
I posted this on the new h3 pod but i'll put it here too: as someone who was literally fired from my last job and had to miss a ton of schooling due to eczema, i always find it odd how people can be so dismissive of how debilitating it actually is. i've dealt with it for the past 2.5 years and it has caused me so much grief. i live a generally happy life but it's hard not to feel like absolute shit at times when your face and neck and hands and arms and legs are quite literally covered in painful, dry, hot, and even at times oozing patches. eyelid and hand eczema in particular is so annoying to have to deal with. i've dealt with acne on and off for over a decade but the embarrassment and shame i feel about my looks from eczema is comparable and at times feels even worse than the anxiety i had as a teenager with painful cystic acne. nothing is more humiliating than seeing the makeup you used to try to cover up all the blotches start to peel off after a few hours. there have been nights where I can only sleep through half of the night bc I can't find a position in which a part of my body feels like it's not on fire. even if you don't have a chronic illness, eczema can cause a lot of pain in someone's life. i can control it to a certain degree now but I (1) get expensive injections for it, (2) i've had to adjust my diet, (3) a lot of products in my home now cater to my sensitivities, (4) i moisturize an annoying amount, (5) my interactions with my cats have become more limited and I (6) had to move out of my family home and (7) have my brother take my dogs bc my eczema was exacerbated by them which has been the most heartbreaking part. it has definitely affected my day to day life and ik i'm not the only one. also, there is no definitive source of eczema but a LOT of the time it has to do with autoimmune issues, it just can't be officially considered a chronic illness bc not everyone with it has it bc of autoimmune reasons.
i know this is from ages ago but yeah for REAL, my mum has a form of eczema called dermatitis and her flare ups are triggered by stress and are located mostly on her hands and her hands literally swell to twice the size and when it's bad if she makes a fist, her skin splits open at all of her joints and just starts POURING blood, and she literally can't bend her fingers or pick things up or even touch things because her hands feel like they're on fire, she used to have to sleep in gloves of steroid cream for weeks to stop it, luckily her stress levels have been way down for a few years so it hasn't happened for a while but it used to be absolutely BRUTAL. eczema is NO joke, especially in cases where it affects certain parts of your body (as you said eyelids being one of the worst) or where it's long lasting/more severe, i've had small patches before and it's driven me crazy i couldn't imagine how hard it must be for people like you or my mum who suffer long term, i hope you're okay 💞
As a person who has an official Lupus diagnosis, I thought Ethan’s whole Lupus Schtick was hilarious. It’s obviously a JOKE and he is worried about his health and is being over the top and dramatic about it. Also, Lupus is the punchline on House MD. It’s a grab bag disease and can masquerade as other things. It’s a joke and this guy is insane.
Agreed. It was clearly a bit that hit too close to the bone for Jake. But putting Ethan into the same category as those actually dealing with the symptoms of severe chronic illness, and utilising their own experiences to defend it is also wild to me 🤣 Ethan got abnormal bloods and freaked out about it, I don't think he ever genuinely believed he had Lupus.
I definitely don't agree with Jake, but Ethan was being insensitive... Just because lupus is a grab bag disease that House has joked about, doesn't mean it is right to joke about. As someone who got a Fibromyalgia diagnosis after six years of pain and being told i am crazy, I have seen so many shows joke about my illness and it hurts because it is already so stigmatized... Also Ethan is kinda giving some misinfo on this, which is annoying, but he never claimed to be a medical professional, so i wouldn't analyze it like he did claim that. I think Jake is taking his frustration with the the world (because the world can be frustrating for people with invisible illnesses because of the misconceptions, misinformation, and fakers) out on Ethan...
@@quinnmorgendorffer531 100% agree. Like Ethan said though, he's problematic about a lot of things 🤷♂️ it makes it look like Jake was fine with other 💩 Ethan has done, as long as it didn't affect him personally. I agree it was insensitive, and anyone arguing they had the same experience as Ethan missed the fact that he was symptomless except for a rash on his face. That's not the same as battling for years to be taken seriously and fully assessed and then diagnosed. It was a bit, that Jake found offensive - that's it 🤷♂️
Nobody wanna talk about how Ethan has OCD and This always thinking you’re ill thing is very much a symptom of some peoples OCD as someone with rather severe OCD I can relate
it can also be really hard to deal with because even if you know that you have OCD and you tend to worry about getting ill, you don’t want to leave that up to chance like it always feels logical to pursue answers. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have to decide whether I think this is OCD and I should just ignore it when it might potentially be cancer.
if i had a nickel for every time a doctor told me everything was fine with my results but there was something dangerously wrong… i’d have multiple dollars. ethan looking stuff up on his own to better understand his health/advocate for his himself is completely normal
I was being discharged from hospital and could hear the nurses laughing that someone had mixed up my test results with someone else’s because I wasn’t “acting sick enough” for them to be my results and got a text from my GP saying do NOT leave the hospital. it was so awkward cause they were trying to make me leave but finally redid my bloods after my GP called and convinced them to and when the results came back they were like oh good thing you didn’t leave you would have died! Doctors telling you everything is fine is not in the slightest bit comforting and to just believe that when you can feel something is very wrong is a terrible idea. Jake shaming people for advocating for themselves then saying Ethan’s content is damaging is wild.
I can understand Jake not wanting to spread misinformation about chronic illnesses, as a person living with chronic illness myself. I think the biggest problem with his video is the sort of accusatory tone throughout. He could have made a video sharing the same info with a bit more gentleness and understanding, and I don't think it would have been received the same way.
He is also picking and choosing which information he shares. For example (and correct me if I'm wrong) , he talks about the number of health related donos Ethan got after saying he might have lupus, but Jake doesn't compare that to anything. The pod could have received the same volume of donations as they usually do, regardless of the topic. To omit potentially exculpatory information comes across as disingenuous and malicious.
100% agree. While I think there is a conversation to be had about misinformation/influencers discussing medical conditions online, I don’t think Jake has any more authority over Ethan to have this discussion. Neither are healthcare workers, both have different chronic conditions. And not everyone has the same medical knowledge of others.
@Amzzyyo yeah I watched a few of those H3 episodes when they came out, and they truly didn't set off any alarm bells for me in their full context. The whole bit was sort of Ethan making fun of himself for his own health anxiety, which I think resonated with a lot of people bc who hasn't freaked themselves out by googling a symptom or lab result and immediately focusing in on the worst case scenarios on web MD or something. Jake presents it as this sort of premeditated scam, when I really don't see any evidence for that. He can argue that it's irresponsible. He can even find it offensive. He's entitled to those opinions. However his video is presented as this "gotcha" moment that just falls flat. It actually ends up coming across very mean spirited towards anyone with undiagnosed health concerns. Autoimmune disease is notoriously difficult to pin down due to the wide range of severity and symptoms, which fluctuate over time. Many autoimmune sufferers are dismissed, ignored, and accused of faking being sick or wanting to be sick for attention for years before being diagnosed. Saying that you can't speak at all about suspected health problems without a formal diagnosis... is kinda not it.
As someone with chronic illness, at some point during the diagnosis process there is a period where you think you have lupus and doctors do tests for them. He had rashes all over his eyes for months and had to stop one of his shows clearly because of the stress causing his health to be bad. Just because he doesn’t have lupus doesn’t mean he didn’t have anything. This guy is super condescending, and eczema can be debilitating and I don’t appreciate the way Jake mentions it in the beginning of the video. Jake’s video also doesn’t mention the fact that Ethan has Tourette’s edit: which can be co occurring with OCD or anxiety. Medical anxiety is pretty a real thing too! Jake skips over the parts where Ethan says he is going to listen to his doctor and stuff like that. I really hate Jake’s video, I genuinely appreciated Ethan sharing his health issues and making jokes about it. The issue of Lyme is super controversial and there are lots of different viewpoints on it within the medical community.
I have lupus, ra n eczema n im almost positive you wouldn't have a positive ANA for just eczema. It is super condensing and passive aggressive, and seems like he's purposely takin shit outta context or interpreting it wrong for some reason. Even when he's restating what Ethan just said seconds before, he's twisting his words. Its actually super weird to me why he thought this would b productive
And I think this live was when h3h3 was gonna have a call w his doctor live so ppl could hear what the doctor said so Ethan didn't confuse what was said
The consideration of lupus is so common that House even had a running joke of suggesting lupus for almost every (exaggeration, of course) patient throughout the show.
@@Demonchihuahuapositive ANA can be associated with asthma. Imagine going to Dr. Jake because you can’t breathe and the only other thing you have to go off of is a positive ANA test and he says no no no, it can only be eczema!
FR. Literally almost everyone suspected with autoimmune chronic issues gets tested by lupus. Its why I even found the lupus jokes funny bc as a someone who is sick Its just funny lmao
@@ThePennyArcadeyeah the fact that he has guilt that he is rich and others aren't is a massive green flag. It's not a bad thing he is rich... he made that money for himself. Feeling guilty for that and acknowledging it shows actual humanity.
I’m kinda grossed out that this guy is attacking Ethan. If he actually watched the show he would know Ethan continuously gets sick, had crazy rashes on his face, falls sleep at the wheel, and overall clearly has something going on. As someone who has health issues that I fight with doctors about because they don’t take me seriously, I’m glad Ethan is sharing his frustrating story of not feeling well and not finding an answer. Jake is almost gatekeeping being chronically unwell. So ridiculous. I feel like he just wanted his 15 in the spot light
Spot on. And it’s not just Ethan having health anxiety. I’m tired of people boiling it down to that. He literally had abnormal blood tests. Plus, his mom has an autoimmune disease!
@@CassieMakesArtalso like tons of people have health anxiety, and people are so goddamn mean about it. People with health anxiety often know they’re being irrational, but that doesn’t help at all!
Also the fact that there are so many stories of getting brushed off by doctors… I think it is perfectly reasonable to be concerned about your labs. Many people have to go to multiple doctors to get the proper diagnosis.
It’s honestly wild how malicious Jake‘s video is. The framing is dishonest, he shows zero charitability to Ethan, and then diagnoses him with Eczema over the internet. I’m baffled that he posted this.
Having an undiagnosed autoimmune illness is scary. As someone living without a diagnosis who has been fighting for one for over five years, I relate to Ethan. I often search my symptoms and think well; maybe it's this after receiving abnormal lab results. I really don't understand why this video was made. It feels very gatekeeping and discouraging to people just looking for answers or space to discuss their frustrations and fears.
As someone who follows both of these creators and is also chronically ill... ...getting diagnosed with a lifelong illness is scary. It's so scary. You talk about it with people. You say things that end up being incorrect. Your diagnosis can change and it can become something else. Are you LYING if you thought you had something and you end up not having it? Not at all. As long as a creator is not sitting down and doing a "Beginners Guide to _________", then they're free to do what they want. There are SO MANY disabled creators that have videos like, "My chronic illness journey" where they talk about all the times they were misdiagnosed, where something was missed and they said they had something else, or something developed into something else... That's literally part of what it is to be chronically ill. Did Ethan start a Go Fund Me to help cover the cost of chemotherapy for a cancer he entirely fabricated? Was he staging photos of himself in the hospital and posting them online for sympathy and financial gain? No, he's just a guy. I absolutely where Jake is coming from, and a lot of people in the chronic illness community do, but when your entire life is about being chronically ill, it's easy to forget that some people don't have the live in the constant state of "fight or flight" like we do.
I feel the exact same! I’m also chronically ill and it felt awful to hear someone who is prominent in talking about his illness, criticizing how someone else deals with their medical anxiety. Like Jake, just because you have it, doesn’t mean you dictate how it’s dealt with for everyone! I really appreciate you pointing out too that you talk about with everyone, because you obsess over it! You almost wish you’d hear a diagnosis to know what’s wrong with you to get it over with and Jake can’t even seem to remember how stressful that can become for one person.
I'm in the same boat. Ethan was just doing the anxious obsessive googling that happens when you hype yourself up and panic. I have Sjogrens and it's actually scary to be told you need to see a rheumatologist because "it's almost always something that happens with Lupus". It's a scary prospect and getting diagnosed is mentally draining. I feel bad for Jake when he reacts poorly to things he views as insensitive, because I get it, but this whole video was a big misstep, imo.
I agree with yall, I was miss diagnosed with Lupus for a few years and told everyone I had it. When I found out I actually had fibromyalgia and another autoimmune condition I felt like so awkward for telling so many people I had Lupus. But it wasn’t my fault, it was just part of the journey to diagnosis. I appreciate the vulnerability of people like Ethan who is sharing his whole journey which for most people feels so isolating. I dont expect anyone on their medical journey to know exactly how to carry themselves or how to navigate that space, no one does!
My sister is a hyper condriac how ever you spell it lol she always thinks something is wrong with her. And Ethan doesn’t come off like he’s trying to misinform his audience. Sorry for your illness. I have depression and anxiety and get told all the time to “snap out of it” or that I’m lying and faking this. Sure I have faked my 100 panic attacks in 25 years for a hobby. I don’t live off the system to get disability like some people do with mental illnesses. Maybe I’ll have to one day idk. My mom commit suicide and mental illness runs in my family. So maybe I should throw my moms ashes in the next person eyes who say I’m lying lolol jk don’t need jail time or to waste my moms ashes. Like do I have to s word my self to prove my messed up brain and thoughts are real. No fuck the haters lol 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I wish I could snap out of my severe depression that would be the best day ever. Maybe I can go back to working 80 hours a week and not feeling burnt out for a decade
This also isn’t the first time Ethan or even H3 have talked about health struggles. The crew have talked about personal medical issues and struggles, Hila was even comfortable enough to share medical information about multiple pregnancy’s and the high’s and lows of starting a family. They talk about their life to their fan base. They always have and I hope, they always will. This whole thing has just been blown way out of proportion.
My opinion as a chronic illness patient (endometriosis): Gatekeeping a disease that is already incredibly hard for people to advocate for their own diagnoses, only serves to worsen the overall situation for future patients. Don’t shame someone for seeking diagnosis and worrying about it while they do so (especially if they suffer anxiety). This will perpetuate the diagnosis problem by people being too afraid of the gatekeepers to self advocate and keep seeking diagnosis.
Obviously the death threats are insane, but that also shouldn’t be used as a deflection from criticism. Of course Ethan is going to cover it, theres a chunk of people now who believe Ethan was pretending to have Lupus for views and money
It’s wild to me, as someone with an autoimmune disease, that someone else with one would ever criticize how someone deals with their health problems. Like even if he overreacted and is a hypochondriac, most people are in regards to their own health. I empathize with Jake but I think he’s on the wrong plane of thought.
@@chrisjyoubthat’s what I’m saying. And I keep seeing people say “but Ethan needs to be more responsible with his platform” but this is driving me nuts because the implication is: Ethan is saying all of this 100% serious, no jokes not irony. And, people look to Ethan for medical advise. And that he’s just not allowed to talk about any of his health problems or anxieties on HIS SHOW.
And its all very strange that jake doesn't mention that its a comedy pod and its how ethan copes with stressful things. Especially considering how Jake does the same thing... But more extreme!! I was a fan of jakes up until recently and this is just massively hypocritical.
ethan did not say “lupus isn’t that bad” he just said he wants to be there to see his children grow up, absolutely heartbreaking to see jake undermine that
@@mallory6579-because the life expectancy of it is higher than that of cancer. He’s got two young kids and one on the way, I would probably think the same way. He said it in a way that comes across as insensitive though, but obviously he’s going to want to choose the “lesser” of the two evils in terms of health. In my opinion, cancer is most definitely one of the worst things to be diagnosed with.. that’s not undermining other illnesses out there, it’s just factual when you look into it deeply and look at statistics. I do agree that the way he said it was probably in poor taste, (the poll was just plain dumb, but what else do we expect from him lol). He’s said before that his biggest fears are cancer/dying so I understand where he’s coming from.
My mom had a breast cancer scare a few years ago when she found lumps in her breasts tissue. I genuinely think the best outcome was cysts (which runs in our family, and thankfully what it was) do cysts suck? Absolutely. But hearing it wasn't cancer was such a relief
Okay so remember when Sam mentioned she wanted a new car and people went crazy donating towards it? It’s free will. Nobody asked them to donate, nobody asked for donations towards a cause, and nobody forced anyone into an obligation to donate. This is not an H3 scam. It’s people who care or are qualified to speak on the topic feeling moved to comment which is HOW SUPERCHAT WORKS.
Exactly… Jake keeps talking like ppl with chronic illnesses don’t have the free will to spend their money as they please???? They never requested superchats and never promise to respond to all of them. Ppl can use their credit cards as they wish!
The irony of that video is insane. "You need to have more respect for chronic illnesses" while also arguing that he "probably just has eczema/ is faking it" is pretty glaring. Isn't a big issue in the chronic illness community the fact that doctors don't take things seriously and accuse people of exagerating? Shouldn't we be advocating that people know their own bodies and if they arent feeling 100% we should take that seriously? This jake kid is giving me mansplaining doctor vibes.
@@Froggele as someone who's currently dealing with an unknown medical illness, Ethan is doing what anyone would. My issues aren't lining up with lupus and instead everything under the sun from EDS to lymphoma but I 100% understand how he's feeling. Having weird blood work is absolutely reason for concern, and honestly, trying to find answers online when the doctors aren't giving you anything is normal and Chatgpt ended up giving him a pretty realistic, undramatic, indefinite answer (unlike the Google we all know and trust), that he went on to make jokes about. I have my issues with Ethan being out of touch, and a plethora of his political takes but this is just dogpiling him for having a human reaction. To sum up, I've been making jokes about possibly having lymphoma in my personal life because I think I'm trying to mentally prepare myself for the worst outcome and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
@@datgurl12121 I got context now that I didn’t know about previously, so I deleted my comment. The fact that Jake made this video feels very… idk dishonest or delusional now. Regarding your health struggles I hope that everything works out for you and that you‘ll get good news soon! Trust me I can relate.
My mom has lupus, and the way ethan is thinking /explaining is basically how she was while waiting for her results. If you think you have a disease, its scary and youll wanna vent. I love jakes content but this video is just jake nitpicking ethan being afraid that he may have something serious .
Right… it’s like if he ended up diagnosed with something more serious than his anxiety would have been validated to everyone, but since he wasn’t, his wasn’t allowed to be anxious while awaiting test results.
@@goopbuni i've been watching h3 for a long time and he's been on a long health journey for awhile at this point where multiple symptoms in real life have pointed to lupus. he got one strange lab with a heptologist that he spoke with chatgpt about that you are talking about that said he had lupus but he had other symptoms as well
As someone who is extremely chronically ill- i find people like ethan joking about it very comforting. Its so dark getting diagnosed with so many illnesses already, to joke about it helps not feel like its such a death sentence.
Jake being mad at Ethan for not being a doctor, able to 100% accurately relay medical information for 45 minutes lol give me a break, we’re watching his health journey- he’s just trying to figure out what’s going on with himself and is sharing along the way???
brother .. ethan is a millionaire with all the accessibility to actual care and doctor visits… he’s used chatgpt up until his crew (like always) talked some sense into him. he’s a 40 year old man, being babied by his fans. genuinely how are we feeling bad for him self diagnosing when he HAS MONEY TO DO IT
@@sybill123fulhe went to three different doctors multiple times what are you on about. i don’t get the rhetoric of “he has money why do people care” his fans watch him for a reason, they care about his life. if you don’t watch him, you obviously won’t. he isn’t asking anything from his fans.
This video from Jake made no sense to me. It is such a reach and so inconsiderate to the real health anxiety Ethan was facing. Threats are never ok but the criticism is expected, IMO. He put teasers for the video on Instagram and RUclips and people were not having it
Ntm, it brought a lot of health conversations to the forefront and Ethan ended up paying for a random group of peoples medical debts because he felt so bad for those who couldn't get the access to tests like he could just because
I do not get the impression that Ethan is lying. He's just freaking out about his health, which I do on the daily. I absolutely google and scrutinize my bloodwork results before I see the doctor. He's behaving normally. Idk wtf Jake is on about.
I am an avid H3 fan. It's a running joke that Ethan over embeslishes for comedic purposes, has chronic auto immune issues, and uses his jokes and banter with the crew for relief. Anyone who watches the show regularly can see that the crew and chatters rag on him (with peace and love) for it. Ethan also tells audience memebers to ask RUclips to back charge the donations, and frequently sends chronically ill fans money to pay for treatments. Additionally, an H3 crew member even told Jake not to post it b/c it was silly and would cause Jake backlash. Death threats are insane, and not cool. Normal people don't do that and I am sure 90% of H3 fans are regular people who wouldn't participate in that all. But Jake put out that video with his full chest and is now expecting Ethan to not comment on it. Jake isn't new to the internet. This isn't a surprise.
The way jake worded it as someone on the crew calling him insane ... He probably just told them what he was doing and that was their reaction to it, its insane that hes twisting all this stuff to fit his narrative
The idea that one cant be excited for a diagnosis is insane to me. Being diagnosed is acknowledgement, and it can lead to treatment afterwards. I know OCD is not at all the same thing as lupus, but being diagnosed made me feel so validated and actually became the start of being able to cope with it, so i genuinely understand feeling ready and excited to be diagnosed
i’ve dealt with minor ocd pretty much my entire life and i’ve also got multiple physical chronic conditions, and at one point thought i had lupus, the prospect of a diagnosis and eventually getting one of the correct condition (as far as i know to this day) is incredibly exciting for both the physical and mental conditions i’ve got. They don’t affect the body the same, but the excitement is so very similar.
@@lvrs_world thanks! ditto! i know OCD alone can be insanely debilitating, i hope you are able to find methods of treatment that provide relief as well! Also, recent treatments have all been very beneficial, so i think im diagnosed accurately at this point!
I’m a pretty critical viewer of the h3 podcast and Ethan’s health has been noticeably declining over 2023. He was very transparent about being scared to have an illness like lupus or cancer but him and the crew kept things lighthearted which is totally up to them. Out of all the things to criticize h3 and specifically Ethan for and this is what was chosen???
my thoughts exactly. The real humanity Ethan shows when hes vulnerable is a good thing in my opinion. Having that weird transphobe lady on to co-host recently is a much more valid thing to criticize H3 for than (checks notes) Ethan being anxious about his health, when he has autoimmune symptoms like chronic fatigue, and a 3rd child on the way??
Ive watched every h3 episode and Ethan has been going thru a long diagnosis journey where some symptoms pointed to lupus. Being a nervous person who also spirals when I get strange lab results, I fully related to Ethan’s nervous spiral on the topic.. i didn’t find anything wrong with his panic and using humor to cope with the anxiety of unknown health concerns .. if anything it was relatable
Same! My doctors can't figure out what's wrong with me either because of all my confusing labs so to see ethan unfortunately going thru the same thing was kind of helpful to know I'm not alone 😅
that’s just not true tho. he literally admitted that he only had ONE of the symptoms of lupus. he was not getting strange results, he was in a chatGPT self diagnosing spiral
I agree! He was being honest, open, and real. I appreciate how open he is w his heath anxiety bc it’s something where if ur struggling with it you may feel super alone
@@comradeporgtotally! The chaotic journey of trying to get a diagnosis in this world is so freaking stressful and I don’t know how anyone can not spiral/google haha.
@@goopbunisure the only symptoms were the test results and the face rashes and he spiraled. A lot of people spiral when they are stuck in that unknown phase of health issues tho
Jake gate keeping (hate keeping) feeling sick is so obnoxious. As a woman who has chronic illness and have been medically gaslit my entire life- he’s lucky he has the support he does. Some of us are dying and no one will look our direction. Sorry Jake, kick rocks.
not really agreeing with this. how is jack gatekeeping being sick while simultaneously talking about how women are more likely diagnosed with all of the conditions he's talking about? that seems like kind of a reach...
@@sarinaxoxo952gatekeeping doesn't mean you don't allow others into the club, it just means you bar certain people from it. He is gatekeeping people on their health search and who self diagnose during that time. Apparently, according to Jake, there was a long time I wouldn't have been allowed to talk about my fears. Doctors wanted to hospitalize me for hypochondria. Yet the pain I had was so bad I couldn't sit up without my mom lifting me up. The delay I had in my diagnosis resulted in me having terrible hand contractures by the time I got real treatment. I was 12 and didn't have internet access like we do today. I would have loved to have talked to people about the fear I had, but I feel like he would have barred me from his community based on this.
I have Lupus and I am a huge h3 fan- I really enjoyed the banter around it. Ethan did something super normal in freaking out about the possibility of having an illness. Saying that Ethan made money off of “lying” about it seems incredibly disingenuous and is just blatantly not the truth. I’m actually quite offended by the things Jake said; it feels like he’s gatekeeping being chronically ill. Part of having an autoimmune disease is being invalidated by people who don’t even believe autoimmune diseases exist. This feels the same to me for some reason. I actually really appreciated the conversation around Lupus because again, people don’t know what it is. It gave lupus a lot of exposure. I really am annoyed by Jake’s video…it is not at all genuine, and honestly in bad faith.
Yuuup. Jake is the only person in the world that has chronic illness nobody else is allowed to ever have any health concerns. Even his video about maid in Canada is just awful and just dismisses all of the concerns of the people in that video and claims they're lying about their experiences in a healthcare system he has no experience of
I find it hipcritical of Jake to call what Ethan is doing dangerous and a con, when he called Trisha Paytas' mocking skits about DID, gender dysphoria, and so many other disorders, "iconic".
@@hogwild666 it's still irresponsible for Ethan to go on live saying he has been using chatgpt to try and help self-diagnose himself multiple times and Im sorry I just really don't see an issue with people within the chronic illness community pointing out his over sharing is weird. I don't see why y'all are so pissed at just seeing someone else's perspective, H3 loves this kind of drama and all the attention has only been helping his channel sooo maybe get a life?
I can definitely see where Jake is coming from. From the sounds of it, his childhood was pretty much ruined by chronic illness. Topics of chronic illness like this might be very sensitive to him, and it can definitely make him upset seeing someone talk about chronic illness in a joking way. But, the joking could be apart of Ethan's coping mechanism. I grew up with a chronically ill mom and seeing it from this perspective, I can see why Jake would be rubbed the wrong way by what has been said by Ethan. At the end of the day, people see things differently and people cope differently. Maybe in the process of Ethan trying to cope, he didn't realize that some of the jokes he was saying could have been insensitive. But, I don't think Jake should be sent death threats just for interpreting something a certain way. I think the best thing for Jake to do is to take down the video, explain his perspective and point of view, and probably take some time off. To be honest, I wish more people could see social media characters as humans with their own personalities who have their own autonomy and who make their own mistakes.
While I see where Jake is coming from and sympathize with his illness and how it affected it. But the problem for me comes from how he's always been part of dissecting everything someone says. In the same way people are coming at Jake and not seeing him as a full human, he's not seeing Ethan as a regular guy who's worried about his health for a numerous amount of reasons.
As someone who has spent 8 hours in an ER with a doctor not taking me seriously and passing me off with just having an Sti even though the results were negative only to have a kidney stone it’s insulting he thinks you should always trust your doctor
This!!! A doctor told me I have internal bleeding and my kidneys may have ruptured... hours later in the ER turns out I just had a kidney infection. The absolute trauma of spending hours thinking that first doctor was right is still with me even though this occurred almost 6 years ago now
I have only gone to the ER twice in my life, both times because I genuinely believe that I was dying. And the only thing I got out of either visit was a diagnosis of a yeast infection. Despite me never having yeast infections before or any of the symptoms. And being absolutely unrelated to why I went to the ER. Like seriously the first time, I was almost completely unable to move and the doctor and other staff were acting like nothing was wrong.
The H3 crew consistently plays the soundbite of Joe Rogan saying “I’m not a doctor, I’m a moron” but of course Jake conveniently leaves that and all the joking the crew did about this out. All this is so stupid, neither Ethan nor Jake are doctors, they’re literally just some dudes talking.
I was wrongly diagnosed and treated for Lupus for 2 years. Let's be honest. Doctors aren't always right either. Which is why we do our own research. He was scared not knowing what those things meant and ran with a diagnosis that felt close.
I’ve watched Jake and H3 both for a while now and while I can see where Jake was coming from, his points missed the mark for me. I thought it was a little unfair that Jake would question Ethan’s medical anxiety when Jake’s illness was dismissed by several doctors. Edit: that being said, obviously death threats and harassment are completely unwarranted
You hit on the exact reason I got frustrated by Jake’s “just trust your doctor!” statement. He should understand why people don’t always just trust their doctors. Many of us have been burned by doctors to later be diagnosed with disabilities that we could have understood years prior if only we had been believed!
@bellvitale @@eckillasuch good points here, I’ve got an issue with my knees which has resulted in 9 operations, long term opioid prescriptions etc. and some of the consultants I’ve seen have been so callous (one literally said “well, what do you want me to do about it?”) - I cried then (at that point I was around 31 years old, now 37) and then I later bawled my eyes out when discussing the knee issues with another consultant advised me that the problem with my knees was really bad and the fissures in my joints would be the cause of my great pain… I’d almost been questioning myself before that, like, do these doctors think I’m making it up? It was such a relief! Jake’s video is so bitter, absolutely dire take on the subject.
Same, I used to watch Jake a lot. However, he started acting like an authority on chronic illness early. I don't think he thinks he is, but that's about how he acts and comes off honestly. As someone who didn't find out, they had EDS until I was 22, and I'm 34 now. I was absolutely happy and relieved to have answers to the many injuries and issues I've had as a result of this syndrome. I have to see a cardiologist and go see a vascular specialist to monitor more serious issues that my EDS can cause, like heart issues. Now that I have had an official diagnosis for 12 years, and I'm now educated of signs of EDS, I'm not sure how it wasn't caught sooner, but then again the doctors explained I was a, "zebra" not a horse. (For those who don't know, in the medical field you're taught when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.) It's nice having answers when you've been in pain, and having other health issues. It's also nice finding out you're not dying. I also have C-PTSD (professionally diagnosed when I was a teenager, due to severe child abu$e.) Which causes me to have anxiety issues, and like Ethan, my mind honestly sometimes spins out of control with worry when it comes to health issues. Not just my issues, either, but even my kids and husband (I don't voice those scary worries thoughts to them, when it's one of them that's sick), but I do worry. It sucks. I hate seeing Jake's take on this. He's really starting to take things too hard. It's disappointing because I really did like him and his videos, but this is feeling like gatekeeping.
I’m not gonna lie it seems like Jake is trying to do what he’s getting mad at Ethan for doing, which is making guesses about someone’s health without being or talking to a doctor. Ethan doesn’t claim to have anything, just says he was researching and what he found. Jake is saying for a fact that Ethan does not have things while not being a doctor.
And Jake bringing up that it's mainly women who have lupus was very frustrating to hear. I have family members with lupus all men, and my father in law has lupus. You can't dismiss what someone is being tested for because of their gender
@@enexius67he shouldn’t have been saying that at all, especially not to millions of people?? He had no reason to think he even could have possibly had it. I understand anxiety but it’s deeply concerning to spread that to all your followers and play it up like a joke
@@mcomeaux3087 Adam did mention in there that it was a long podcast, and given that it’s more like a talk show and often podcasts are somewhat unprepared, they tend to just talk about whatever’s on their mind. Plus he wasn’t claiming to have lupus or anything, just more like mentioning that that plus cancer and a few other things were his main concerns.
@@cait225 yeah, I think a big reason for that statistic is that because there is no cure. They’re taking a majority of diagnoses and focusing on testing just those rather than diagnosing it. It could also be because some symptoms appear different in men than in women. Overall im just saying that it’s WAY under diagnosed and Jake bringing that up was super dismissive
Health anxiety is a hell of a thing and I would think Jake would be more empathetic considering he states he’s been sick his whole life. Maybe he doesn’t also deal with health anxiety? But geez! Ethan is clearly just anxious and worried about his health! I’m recovering from surgery right now. Even directly after my follow-up where the doctor said everything looked phenomenal, I was starting to stress that something was actually wrong. Jake doesn’t deserve death threats but he also should be more understanding that his experience of being sick may not be everyone’s. He doesn’t speak for all sick people and he clearly doesn’t understand health anxiety.
I used to watch Jake, and I stopped. I didn’t like his general attitude, and I felt like he would immediately jump to the most negative conclusions and take things out of context so it would fit his opinion. He would also get really heated. It just wasn’t the kind of energy I wanted to spend my time watching. I never expected something like this though.
I havent watched in awhile because life, but Adam, you look so happy, and healthy, and glowing! Moving past all of last years drama looks SO good on you :)
I think Jake (as a chronically ill person) felt some type of way when Ethan started talking about these illnesses. Like, it struck a nerve with him. Because it's obviously something very important to him. And he interpreted everything Ethan did as malicious and was unable to take a step back and view things objectively. I don't think either party said what they said out of malice. (Hopefully)
Well you're wrong I thought the video was weird too. Turns out Jake begged Ethan for a job on the pod and Ethan turned him down. So I unsubbed from Jake because this was a cynical hit piece.
That's what I thought too before I found out he was obsessively messaging Ethan and his crew to hire him and collab with him. After being ignored and told no for so long, he makes this hit piece
I used o watch every thing Jake put out but particularly after his 100 videos in 100 days his videos came across really bitter and judgmental instead of light hearted and conversational. I don't know what shifted in his content and I hope he's doing well.
yeah i used to watch his stuff more but in recent months i noticed a lot of his videos are just: shows clip of video, pause, Jake imitates the clip in a funny voice and basically goes "hahaha wtf???? 🤪", rinse and repeat. i noticed a lot of it just seemed really light on the commentary and not very substantive. i want his opinion, not just him making fun of the topic, basically. disappointing cuz i did generally like his stuff before but yeah, something kinda changed. i hope he's okay and can learn from this and get through it tho, he doesn't deserve harm or anything, just needs to read the room and adjust
I SO AGREE i had to unsubscibe bc i couldn't take the constant negativity! I see a lot of parallels between him and nickisnotgreen ngl-- both started out lighthearted but focused on posting so frequently that they lost the plot and are becoming more and more like the people that they would criticize at first.
Did he really just make a whole video being jealous people are donating to Ethan instead of his charity? Him just reading the donations out, it felt so loaded.
As someone who is chronically ill, I was googling everything because my doctors told me I was fine. Turns out I wasn't if I trusted every doctor I have gone to I would probably be dead
My biggest issue with Jake’s take is that it takes years for people to get diagnosed for a lot of things and Ethan is literally in the beginning stages of that war. Ethan is enthusiastically looking for an answer.
tbh as someone who also has a similar medical problem and who has a mother with both lupus and fibro, Jake's whole take really offended me. My mother has been through years of people not believing her snd calling her paranoid. Unfortunately medical professionals can have bias and be wrong. It seems like Ethan is on a journey of figuring things out just like many of us have had to go through for years. I would have thought Jake would understand that and not come at this with what feels like just attacking someone who is trying to figure things out and being open about how rough that can be. I'm not a fan of Ethand at all, i absolutely dislike him however, I would never just accuse him of lying about his medical struggles and I never got the impression he was.
no literally as someone w fibro the whole thought of just letting your doctors take the wheel and not pushing cracked me up!! the number of doctors i had to plead to believe me was horrible, and while similarly not a fan of ethan, i cannot fault someone for being concerned about their health and wanting answers. also the process for getting diagnosed for so many chronic illnesses sucks. once you have certain diagnoses they will just attribute everything to it. worst one was when i got told that my chest pain was just anxiety when i told my doctor i couldn’t sleep lying down due to pain in my chest/feeling like i couldn’t breathe. turned out to be asthma plus costochondritis (def not how u spell it but essentially an inflamed rib cage). both of which ran in my family which the doctor knew and i reiterated. she still refused to believe me and i later went to the ER when it got bad again only to have them do it there and have to pay a ton of money since they were ER doctors and not my gen practitioner:/
All these FULL h3 episodes clearly show the crew pushing back that ethan probably doesnt have lupus. To me, watching the full episodes, this reads obviously as a medical-anxiety situation. I understand jakes frustration, bc i have felt the same way with ethan, but ive alway seen it as him just catastrophizing. Let him spiral and work through it. Idk it just seems like a video that would come from someone who only saw clips and not the whole episodes? Which makes me feel like jake is either bad faith, or simply too close to this stuff to be objective.
@@angelbaxter7971 right!? Like the editing of Jake's video cut around the whole team laughing at him or any of the dialogue happening. It's how ethan dealing with his fear after his dog dying and a new kid on the way. Is Ethan always smart or funny? No. Does that stop him? Never lol.
I feel like Jake always comes on here claiming he wants to educate people or help people with chronic issues yet he always misses the perfect opportunity to. In the situation he could have easily said “hey my friend Ethan, who I’ve worked with before is currently going through some health issues and trying to find some answers and he talked about it on his podcast so I wanted to kind of react to it and talk a little bit about health anxieties how to stay calm clearing up some misconceptions about the illnesses he was talking about.” I can agree that Ethan definitely made some misinformed statements but it’s clear that this is coming from a place of genuine anxiety and worry for his health not some scam.
My dad was recently diagnosed with lupus and told the whole family. Later, after more tests, they found out it is not lupus, but is a similar autoimmune disease. Ethan could have legitimately said he was diagnosed with lupus and legitimately said later that he didn't have lupus.
i’m a bigger fan of jake than i am of ethen but the video felt really inappropriate. i really do think ethan was concerned about his health, and saying it was for prophet is gross, especially coming from someone like jake who raises money for chronic illness. death threats and questioning jake’s medical history is out of line but he’s said tons of times before putting the video out he knew he was gonna get a lot of hate and probably even lose friendships.
I'm pretty sure everyone with chronic health issues and anxiety has thought ''what if i have lupus?'' at some point. jake is taking it way too seriously
@@abirdgang Right lol. You can also be genuinely chronically ill and have misplaced health anxiety at the same time. I have MS and I also manage to convince myself I have cancer at least once a week. I don't think Jake considered this.
Something important to note since he keeps focusing on it, is that ChatGPT is a running bit. It's a running joke on the show and everyone knows this. Focusing so hard on it with such a serious tone just doesn't make sense with this context.
I think Jake has the "privilege" (not the right word, but the best I can think of now) of being diagnosed at a young age where his parents were dealing with most of the uncertainty of having no answers. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia last year. It took years of seeing different doctors and getting different blood tests done. No one had any definitive answers, and I was so confused and stress about my symptoms, that I turned to the internet. Once I had the information to be able to understand what was happening to my body, I was able to bring tons of research articles and books to my doctors who ultimately ended up agreeing with me. Diagnosing chronic illness/pain is so difficult, and a lot of doctors are hesitant because of the chance they could misdiagnose. Plus, I also constantly made jokes about my symptoms to cope with my concerns. Jake can't tell Ethan how he should be coping with his health issues, especially since ocd-type thinking can often coincide with tourettes. I'm glad you covered this because I couldn't bring myself to watch Jake's video. I knew it would be upsetting considering the amount of time, effort, and research I put into figuring out my own health issues. Jake doesn't realize how he's making himself seem superior to other people trying to figure out their own chronic illnesses.
@@RatClowns Right? His take seems like it can be summed up by "just listen to your doctors" when women, poc, and even some men get brushed aside or told it's bc they're overweight or its anxiety, etc...
Omg I made a comment similar to yours. However I said that if Jake didn’t get diagnosed at such a young age he would’ve probably been acting like Ethan. Having health anxiety etc
I've also been watching Ethan's "lupus journey" last year and saw the episode that Jake references first. As soon as Ethan said he brought his lab results to Chat GPT, I felt like he was being unserious. It became an inside joke amongst the viewers and the crew that Ethan "had" lupus and never stated that his doctor gave him that diagnosis. I think Jake is taking Ethan's jokes seriously based on his own tough journey with chronic illness diagnosis and he's welcome to share that experience with his audience. It's completely fine that Jake doesnt like these jokes but if he understood that these were jokes, he wouldnt be facing constructive criticism.
I think it's a fair critique that continuous jokes about a subject that affects a lot of people (chronic illness in this case) can be harmful to an extent. Especially for those outside of the inner h3 audience who isnt aware that hes joking every time. I think unintentional harm is very real with stuff likethay. But the framing that ethan is maliciously lying to scam people for money is just not it. I think if he focused on "I know these are jokes, but here's why it could still be harmful" instead of calling Ethan a scammer, his video wouldve been better received. And I don't even like Ethan.
I agree! I do agree with Jake that he didn’t seem very educated on lupus diagnosis and was making jokes that impact a group he isn’t a part of. I think Ethan was just going down a rabbit hole / spiraling about what could be wrong with him
i think a common thing for ethan is that yeah he makes joke that aren't in the best taste but his worst trait is that he keeps making the joke and doesn't necessarily know when to stop.
Totally agree with you. Jake could have brought up his issues with a little more empathy towards Ethan. Instead he tried to make what Ethan was doing sound malicious or something.
Not just malicious but criminal. Ethan already gets so much needless shit conspiracizing about his money in a way that feeds a kind of antisemitic narrative imo. I don’t think that’s what Jakes intentions were but the anti h3 antisemites will certainly eat it up
I dont blame Ethan for being scared. Imagine not knowing whether or not you have a chronic condition or not. That reminds me of when my dog had pneumonia but the vet predicted it to be pancreatitis. I was reeling and stressed and was overthinking for the longest even after his diagnosis. Jake sounds so rude and dismissive just because he has diagnosed illness but cant give Ethan leeway either. It’s unfair to those trying to find answers too. If i was stressing and talking about my health and some basically told me to stfu, i’d be offended and hurt. He’s hurting others who even if they are hypochondriacs, are worried about their health. Imagine if Ethan (god forbid) actually got exams done and had cancer instead of lupus. It’d be soooo messed up of Jake to make a whole video nitpicking.
Thanks for covering this. I was experiencing a lot of pain that was debilitating and got some results similar to Ethan. Turns out I was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis and fibromyalgia. I totally relate to the way Ethan approached this and handled this. I remember googling my ANA and Titer exactly like that.
literally same!! tried not to laugh out loud as i watched the clip as i had flashbacks to my junior year in hs doing the same thing. i think ppl forget how hard chronic illness diagnoses are to get. hope you have many good health days ahead of you, as someone who also has fibromyalgia i know it’s rough but sending u good vibes
i’m revisiting this a year later and i’ve also noticed that Jake seems to deem eczema as this autoimmune disease that just is this little baby itchy spot and also down play the struggles of people with chronic and severe eczema. Something he criticizes ethan for. Eczema is an autoimmune disease and destroys your body, your mental health, and can cause you so many problems internal as well as external.
As someone who has spent years trying to get myself diagnosed, I would be thrilled to get a diagnosis! I feel like Jake is gatekeeping this health scares and it makes me upset.
As someone with a rare chronic illness myself it’s easy to forget that “healthy” people don’t have the medical information of those of us who are ill. I don’t like how much Jake is nitpicking Ethan for not pronouncing things correctly or knowing every statistic when all Ethan is doing is voices his concerns. For someone with a long history of medical issues, a positive/negative test can just be another step in our health journey. But for someone who hasn’t dealt with things like this before, it can be terrifying. I don’t like it when people judge others for not having as much knowledge on something that is brand new to them. Instead of accusing Ethan of faking, Jake could nicely explain why these things are wrong if he’s so concerned about misinformation. But it seems to me Jake’s more concerned with catching Ethan in a lie than actually helping his audience.
I’ll also add that while Jake claims Ethan “wants lupus” I’d say that this is a very normal thing when having undiagnosed health issues. A label to your health concerns can be a very comforting thing. Ethan latching onto Lupus as a diagnosis is a very normal thing for someone with health concerns to do. When you’re sick you want to have an explanation for why and a plan for the future. I relate to Ethan in this video so much on that front.
I see Jake as having a "ptsd" episode. He's seeing people validate Ethan's symptoms even if not medically correct. But for Jake, literally for his whole life, has been told 'you're doing to much' or 'you're playing it up' about his real diagnosis. I just feel that it triggered him in a way that of 'how dare they believe and listen to Ethan and not me when I was at peak illness'. It really hit him and hurt him mentally that he "retaliated"
Jake begged h3 for a job and was told no. I can't see his video as anything other than a cynical hit piece. I unsubbed because it was so blatantly obvious Jake just had an axe to grind.
I wouldn’t label that as PTSD. But I think you’re right that he may be resentful about the support Ethan is getting at even the prospect of him having an illness without an official diagnosis. But as someone who used to be a fan of Jake, he talked about how hard it was being told he was faking and playing his illness up… is that not what this video is? Shaming health anxiety, accusing someone of faking illness for money, and discouraging self advocating and doing research regarding your own healthcare? Getting diagnosed is a long process and he of all people should understand that it’s easy to have your issues brushed under the rug by professionals
@Trackstar48642 as someone with PTSD, super appreciated you putting it quotation marks when you couldn't find a better word since it made it clear you were using it as shorthand for a point instead of a diagnosis. ❤
@@cyb3r.punk13that and his content seems so lazy the more I watch it. It isn’t real commentary. It’s him reacting to stuff like a Shane Dawson video and occasionally making childish jokes that have already been told a thousand times lol
It's really gross how Jake has an expectation that Ethan should have doctor level knowledge of these illnesses. It's awful how patients can get their blood test results before you see your doctor. I know I've gotten my results and gone down the google rabbit hole, which just increases anxiety.
I think the only valid criticism is that Ethan spread information that was only based on Chat GPT. I understand googling and trying to use Chat GPT but he shouldn’t have acted as if it was very likely that he had Lupus for weeks when that wasn’t based on what his doctor had told him.
I am currently in the process of being tested for a autoimmune disease and the fact is what Ethan went through is real. Personally I’m trying not to talk about it too much but I definitely related to how he was feeling. But also it pissed me off that when he’s diagnosed with eczema it’s seen as nothing. I used to get eczema around my eyes constantly to the point that I got horrible headaches and my eyes would be so swollen I couldn’t see. Eczema can definitely make you worried you have something much worse when it’s on your face (not to mention it can be a symptom of something worse).
As a longtime H3 fan (back in the commentary days), they’ve always had a small yet vocal minority of rabid fans; however, I feel like there is plenty of criticism levied against H3 within the fandom itself. Maybe not as much as there should be, but there is. Just look at the subreddit from time to time. The Jake Doolittle video is a disingenuous hit piece, in my opinion. I acknowledge my inherent bias as an H3 fan, though. I won’t defend Ethan for everything or even most things, but I believe Jake’s entire video is in bad faith, incredibly pedantic, and borderline lacking empathy. Health anxiety is real. I think it’s fair to criticize Ethan for using ChatGPT or Googling symptoms. That’s an unhealthy symptom of health anxiety, though. Voicing his concerns about his health on his own podcast doesn’t seem exactly like profiting off of illness, though. It’s genuinely such a nothing burger argument in my opinion. I’m open to having my mind changed, of course, but I can’t take Jake seriously. It’s a mean spirited video. It’s very much giving nickisnotgreen or ethanisonline. This new genre of commentary- like most before it- is completely pointless.
Yeah. I think the biggest argument Jake feasibly has is Ethan being a little bit insensitive with how he’s talking about it, but that’s…not a new thing, and I feel like the majority understands where he comes from. And he generally comes from a genuine place. He’s not trying to deceive. He’s a guy. Some parts of him cause issue. Others don’t. That’s how it just be.
The funny thing about those last two commentary channels is I’m pretty sure they’re friends with Jake and they run in the same circles, so its a bit of a birds of a feather moment
I agree but I have to push back a little with the ethanisonline comparison, because the content they’re reacting to is inherently different. Ethan (not Klein) reacts to reactionary right wing ghouls that spew things that ARE aggravating, which makes his negativity and self righteousness make sense. Jake’s content is bitter edgelord masquerading as a righteous force for Good, regardless of the content he’s reacting to. There’s a stark disconnect between the wholesome persona he wants to portray and the commentary he provides, and it’s put on full blast in his latest video.
@@Naveen-tx8be Fair point. I suppose my comparison was more regarding the holier-than-thou persona. While I agree and align with ethanisonline, I usually find him to be as pompous as nickisnotgreen and Jake Doolittle.
Ethan's process was extremely, extremely typical of adults getting diagnosed! I can't imagine how hard it was for Jake to go through his diagnosis at 12--I'm in no way trying to minimize his experience or say one is worse than the other, just that the emotional process looks completely different when it's a child being told things by adults, vs when you are the adult who has to make all of the decisions. Most adults will never speak with a rheumatologist in their life! The initial appointments are terrifying, and they *feel* like a diagnosis, even though Jake rightly points out that they're just access to the people who can give a diagnosis. If you've been seeing a rheumatologist for almost as long as you can remember, it probably doesn't occur to you the mental/emotional load it takes to be an adult scheduling that appointment knowing there is a chance that you're going to find out your life is about to change in terrifying ways, or even end. It's a very different experience to getting diagnosed as a child. I'm not at all interested in playing oppression olympics or calling one worse than the other, but you respond very differently as a child than you do as an adult, and claiming that one kind of response is valid and the other kind of response is manipulative and fraudulent is very damaging. Ethan responded the way a lot of chronically ill adults respond to the beginnings of our diagnosis journey. Maybe he turns out to be a healthy able-bodied person, or maybe he actually has an illness (which is, frankly, *likely* given that his mother has chronic illnesses with genetic components, like ulcerative colitis) and this is just the beginning of his misdiagnosis journey (you know, that same misdiagnosis journey that the two experts described experiencing firsthand).
i’ve been diagnosed with chronic conditions as a child and as an adult, and you are so right. the way they mentally affected me was completely different. the referral to a rheumatologist with the knowledge i had markers for lupus happened as an adult and it did feel like a diagnosis. I was ultimately told im a carrier of lupus and have fibromyalgia by that specialist. going to a bunch of doctors that i didn’t really understand or like talking to as a twelve year old was very very different. i was so sick i just wanted to lay in bed, i didn’t really care about a diagnosis because id seen so many doctors with no answers, and was very hopeless. I was diagnosed and treated for endometriosis at like 15? and the treatment only kind of helped so it wasn’t exciting at all. (at this point im just getting a hysterectomy) as an adult getting diagnosed with fibromyalgia, eds, and pots, it was sooooo exciting to get answers and treatments. i can understand why jake wouldn’t view a lupus diagnosis as something exciting, but he really needs to practice more empathy in this situation.
As a viewer of both Jake & H3, I agree with some of the points that Jake said and do agree with Adam that some was just straight up nit picky. My only true problem with the nit picky stuff is I don’t think people should listen to AI in general. Using it for a diagnosis can become dangerous in a way but I do understand why Ethan would be worried and constantly checking. So overall the video should have been better structured and more coherent but at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The chat gpt thing is a running bit- it’s not supposed to be taken seriously. I think the root of the problem lies in the lack of transparency and explanation on the doctors part. If doctors don’t take the time to explain WHY Ethan should/shouldn’t be worried about his results, then obviously he’s gonna google things. He’s a content creator and ChatGPT is peak content.
@@Naveen-tx8bejake either doesn’t know its a bit or is purposely twisting it to prove his point. from jakes video and the clips he chose, it’s impossible to read them as jokes.
Hot take: I don’t like how *either* of them handled this. Jake is definitely *more* in the wrong, but both of them give me the ick with the way they talk about certain things.
Being excited for a diagnosis is something people who haven't been gaslight by medical professionals just don't understand. I've had years battling a chronic illness with years and years of neurological testing (iykyk) and false positive lupus results, positive ana, negative ana, bizarre yet debilitating symptoms, and as strange as it sounds, getting a diagnosis is actually exciting because it's a step in the treatment process. I wanted to say so much more but just had to put my two cents in about a part of chronic illness most people don't understand...
This guy is over the top. Why are you watching H3 for education. This is clearly a conversation about being worried about health issues. Some people, no matter how much info doctors give them are still going to be nervous and want to do their own research for peace of mind. Ethan is being shamed for having anxiety and being excited to have answers like anyone would. I knew something was wrong with me my entire life and when I got my diagnosis, yeah I was excited to change my life for the better. This guy sounds butt hurt that he didn't get the same support for his own issues.
The H3 people telling him he is insane for this is absolutely correct. He is reaching so hard. He NEVER said he had those medical illnesses. He said he was scared he did, and was getting tests. He’s only stressing himself out it’s not malicious like this loser is trying to make it out to be. It’s insane.
I was going through very similar health questions as Ethan at the same time. It was really nice seeing health anxiety talked about so in depth by Ethan and in a way that helped take some of the fear away. I’ve also really enjoyed jakes videos on disability, but I think he let his own “fallen fan” standing influence his opinions
As someone who has a chronic illness, I think they’re both kinda in the wrong but it doesn’t even matter that much. From what I’ve seen from Jake, he tends to be a bit more speculative and this time it got him into trouble. I initially kind of got where he was coming from because I don’t think Ethan speaks about his health with the most tact. Ethan appears to have some health anxiety and he’s hanging on to anything that might lead to a diagnosis. I get it - the diagnosis process is SO frustrating and exhausting and I had similar conversations with my friends, where I clung to a potential diagnosis. Overall, I think that Ethan could be a little more considerate when he speaks about his health (e.g., not saying he has something he’s not medically diagnosed with, speaking with more kindness to people who are offering suggestions or their experiences) but Jake shouldn’t have made the video. His feelings are valid but they shouldn’t have made their way to RUclips.
I don’t know if I would say his feelings are valid, Jake seemed to be genuinely angry at Ethan for looking into what he could have on stream, given that ya know, his health has been declining on stream for months and his own doctor is obviously looking for a reason for his symptoms. And also seemed to be upset he even dare think he could have lupus when he “only” has gerd and eczema symptoms (which in itself is fucked because both of those chronic illnesses can also be life threatening/devastating)
As someone who is chronically ill and has been my whole life, who only just got a confirmed diagnosis in my 30s (EDS and Silk Road Disease), I think Ethan talking about his health concerns is fine I don’t like a lot of the things he’s done in the past, but him relating how his own health concerns have made HIM feel to people talking about struggling with their own health is just how people relate to things a lot, ESPECIALLY when it comes to jokes about it, because anything health-related IS scary 🤷
As a french person I got jumpscared by the intro (in a good way) I thought I was tripping
Same here! 😍 Lots of love from Belgium! ❤
Same lol
Me too 😂
No because my brain was like arrête ça maintenant?!😂
Imagine waking up one day and suddenly everyone only speaks French
I hate that Jake won't acknowledge that people can be excited to receive a diagnosis because it leads to answers. People tend to feel better when they can put a name to what they are experiencing.
It gives them a name *and* ways that the issue could potentially be treated/managed. Getting a (hopefully accurate) diagnosis is definitely something to be excited about.
Yes!! I have been dealing with chronic issues for 2 years now that my doctor has stated he believes to be rheumatological, but we do not currently have enough info to pinpoint a specific diagnosis. I've had people in my life passive aggressively accuse me of "wanting a diagnosis " as if I WANT to have a serious condition. I don't! But a diagnosis of anything, even something serious, would mean an end to the constant uncertainty and anxiety! Even if it was serious, at least I would have a path forward, treatment options, communities to reach out to, lifestyle management to implement. And if I do have something serious, I would want to know as soon as possible!
Speaking from experience, being told that you want to be sick for attention, when all you want is answers and information is SO insulting and infuriating. I would have thought that Jake of all people would understand!
I cried from relief in the doctor's office when I was finally diagnosed with hypothyroidism when I was 18. I'd gone through so much shit and other doctors dismissing me or telling me my symptoms were my fault that to finally have someone say, "yeah, you just have a shitty thyroid" and then have an actionable plan moving forward to deal with it was the most amazing thing to hear.
@@raven_moonshine39 i SOBBED when I finally got a diagnosis. I think Jake got diagnosed too young to understand that feeling.
This is so incredibly true for me. I remember feeling so discouraged, would lose all hope when there was no diagnoses even though my symptoms were destroying me. i got my diagnoses and getting help for it now, but the searching and testing for years on end while being chipped away at by said illness put me thru trauma
I don't understand how Ethan speculating about his OWN health is somehow more problematic than Jake, who is not a health professional, speculating on someone else's 😅
This!!!
rightt..
It is so immoral! SO IMMORAL!
he definitely caught himself doing it too 😂😂 who doesn’t freak out over their health? very nit picky
He’s so hypocritical it makes me sick 🤢
Also, adding that if Ethan was “excited” by a Lupus diagnosis it probably meant that he would finally understand what might be wrong. I remember getting to a point in my health journey when i really didn't care what my diagnosis was but i wanted a diagnosis so that whatever was causing pain could FINALLY be treated. Health journeys are difficult 🤷♀️
Currently at that stage right now. Getting a bunch of tests done hoping for SOME answer. It’s unimaginably frustrating and scary. I have some obvious symptoms that *something* is going on, so thankfully it’s not as easy to dismiss, but having 0 answers means 0 treatment plan. Which means things will either stay the same or get worse. It’s a horrible limbo to be in
i understand that but literally what symptoms did he have that he found distressing? a rash?
Literally that!! I was so excited when I was finally diagnosed with epilepsy 😂 the not knowing is torture
@@uptownapollo3786so now we are policing what people find distressing or not?
My doc was so confused when she told me my colonoscopy test was normal and I cried and I'm like SO I STILL DON'T KNOW??? Will I ever know? (No, she didn't figure it out and just told me to lose weight.)
It's part of coping to say "it's probably this" and try to plan a way to make things better for yourself.
If he would've argued that Ethan was being insensitive or offensive I would've disagreed but understood, but arguing that Ethan is knowingly lying about his health status for money is just an insane conclusion.
Fr, its okay and understandable as a chronically ill person to have issues with the joke but to start making conspiracy theories abt someone else's health is insane. Its so ableist too, esp in a society where one needs a lot of diagonses and may not have the resources for it to start speculating one someone's health is not okay. Ethan might just have health anxiety but even if he didnt, its so ableist to imply that he was lying or faking. Which is sadder since jake is a disability advocate.
I pronounce words wrong CONSTANTLY even when my doctor says them to me first, so that point was beyond stupid. Also, being excited for a diagnosis is NOT a negative. I have chronic health issues and was BEYOND HAPPY to get a diagnosis finally because it finally meant i could start treating what exactly was wrong instead of the endless guesswork and anxiety.
I have a condition i cannot pronounce. I have autism and an auditory processing disorder, so i can’t properly process the way others are saying the word, and can’t formulate it myself in my mouth, and ive been accused of lying about it because “if you had it you’d be able to say it” tell that to the 4 year old dying of alveolar rhabdomyosarcoma, does she not have cancer because she can’t say it?
Ethan is notorious for mispronouncing things as well.
Yeah like he's literally dyslexic and so am I. I find it mean when people think I don't know things simply because I pronounce them wrong.@@JH-yj7kk
I also get excited when I finally have a title on what I've been going through. I'm autistic and my whole life seemed upside and I had NO IDEA why! Finding titles seems like you're one step closer into treating yourself, accommodating yourself, and realizing your needs.
Also Ethan is dyslexic, and many of his chats with doctors have been written. For someone who claims to be a huge fan of h3h3, you'd think Jake would know this lol
I think jake took it way too personal since he himself is sick and projected a lot of it unto ethan. Ethan throughout never claims to actually have anything, he is just speculating like most people do.
This is exactly what I thought. He’s only seeing through the eyes of someone who is already diagnosed.
When experienced people have something in common, they see the "beginners" and forget they were one too.
yeah. that whole video is just lateral ableism from jake.
Thinking "i hope you beat cancer" and "you're fine, you are rich" is the same sentiment is absolutely ridiculous
for real, im confused on what jake expected ethan to say in relation to that viewer with cancer
I was thinking the same thing. Saying “oh I know you’re fine” versus “if there is a chance you can beat cancer, I hope you do”. Are so different. So so so different.
I'm chronically ill too. Ethan just seems to have health anxiety, he isn't faking anything. humor is a way of coping for a lot of us. Also, I'm sure most people in the chronic illness community understand the frustration and fear that comes with not knowing what is going on with our health. it can be overwhelming, and Ethan is not exempt from that health anxiety
Yeah he has generalized anxiety disorder! I dealt with health issues all last year and it was all I could think about, it took all of my mental energy. Getting a diagnosis was a huge relief because I felt like I could finally move forward
I could not agree more!
i have generalized anxiety disorder and i wouldn’t make heinous jokes about a disease i dont have…
@@danween point is he doesn’t know what’s wrong with him all he knows is he’s sick and it could be something bad, how he copes is definitely distasteful however I think he’s trying to be comedic. I hope he apologises somewhat.
@@heidijane6334 so you tell a bunch of cameras on a red carpet you probably have lupus? idk that’s kind of irresponsible and fucked up
Besides his own personal experience, what makes Jake so qualified to determine who and how people discuss their health journey? It’s not like Ethan made a GoFundMe explicitly lying about having an illness for money. Jake of all people should know there’s usually a process in seeking treatment. And death threats are never okay, but to try and use that to deflect and stop any criticism is so disappointing
Nothing absolutely nothing.
He did research on these illness' unlike ethan lmfao.
@@noelle2624 personal research is only worth the sources utilized
Jake still has an active Gofundme up too.
@@noelle2624Ethan has done a ton of research on them. What are you talking about? 😭
jake really made a whole video shaming self-diagnosis, and then went on to try & diagnose a person he doesn't know with ZERO medical training/education. the whole thing just reeks of unprofessionalism and ego.
Self diagnosis is dangerous amx deserves to be shamed
@@erika2m16 diagnosing a person you don't know over the internet when you're not a medical doctor is a hundred thousand times worse
@@erika2m16 especially using ai..that’s INCREDIBLY wild.
Him being chronically ill and doing this makes it even worse because he KNOWS how painful it is to suffer with symptoms and have no one believe you. He KNOWS what’s it’s like to have health anxiety but everyone tells you it’s fine. He knows first hand how traumatic it is to have someone question your symptoms and yet he does it to someone else
You can't technically have Chronic Lyme disease, that's just called dead. You can have post treatment Lyme disease syndrome. Ironically Cronic Lyme Disease is used to refur to people with symptoms but no official diagnosis from a doctor or to refer to the post treatment syndrome symptoms.
Not that any of this matters, it's all semantics and only really matters if you are a Healthcare professional. But for someone who is nit picking someone else and throwing out the disinformation card, you can at least use proper terms and nomenclature for your own illness, took 10 minutes of reading on my own to figure it out and type this. You'd think a full-time youtuber who's been suffering from it for years would know a bit more than me and have the time to read up and write a script.
also not to compare their situations, but he has experience with all those things when it comes to his knee and having lymes disease. Ethan is here stressing about potentially having blood cancer when he has three young children and a wife! like how scary must it be to not be believed, not only when you’re not feeling well, but when you think you have a fatal illness
Jake did make some good points but I took issue with a lot of what he presented. The framing of Ethan as “faking lupus for views” seems soooo disingenuous. Ethan was very clearly joking and poking fun at his own health anxieties. And Jake should have presented some kind of evidence that the people who donated to talk about their own diagnoses wouldn’t have donated anyways.
Yeah, if anything the examples he read out were a lot of people with these conditions who were acknowledging that Ethan might not have them and trying to ease some of his anxiety. And a lot of chat donations are made in order to ensure the creator sees the comment. I didn’t get the impression that any of them were donating with the belief that they were contributing to Ethan’s treatment for anything.
Exactly, he really presses on the donos and on Ethans wealth, and shows clips of him joking about how horrible the healthcare system is unless you have money and Jake just takes it as real. It’s like when you and your friend group don’t like someone and everything they do is bad to you and then you try to explain it to someone outside that group
the entire point is that ethan is the one that started the conversation. because of that people donated. they obviously wouldnt have donated if ethan didnt go around saying he probably had lupus?
you don’t joke about stuff like that though
@@sarinaxoxo952nah, people have been donating for years in live chat before he joked about having lupus
Ethan's doctors (based on what he told us on the pod) always said that his exams were always "inconclusive" so I get why he went around the internet trying to understand what he had. And he was clearly anxious about the results because he has three kids that he wants to take care of and watch grow up. The momment his doctor confirmed that it was NOT lupus, he literally told us too on the pod lol
As somebody who has Lupus, this gave Lupus a lot of exposure. He even took time in the podcasts to mention wanting to pay medical bills for those who had Lupus when he was first going through his own scares, because he understood he may not have it, but that others did officially have it and he could already tell what pain the bills are. (Anybody going through specialist care in the US can say what a burden it is to the wallet, especially when getting infusion care for Lupus) He probably felt that real fear of "What if I have this?" just at a baseline, which many can't even have the heart to begin to understand. Many I meet don't even know what Lupus is, and just blow it off.
To speak on the exposure part: In my time in Lupus communities, I have seen SO MANY men talk about how they were diagnosed with Lupus by one rheumatologist, and when they have to switch for whatever reason, their new rheumatologist will believe differently under the extremely misinformed and harmful myth of "Men can't have Lupus!!" and their diagnosis, and potentially their treatment, was ripped away from them. Many people do not believe men can have Lupus, and gatekeep it as such, be it doctors or people online and for whatever myth causes such misinformation to be prevalent.
It is horrible, and when I saw Ethan talking about his fears and the results, I felt so sad for him as I would never wish this on anybody. Many of us know the journey and how symptoms can present but how it can take YEARS to properly "present" tests wise, or fully symptom wise, and in the meantime we suffer from horrific side effects. But I recognized also that he is a man, and I saw this and was grateful he was talking about it, even if it's a scare, because not enough talk about how men can have Lupus, or be at risk for it like anybody else. I cannot imagine how this is seen in men, as I do feel often they are also maybe under-diagnosed for what is a real condition to them as well.
This was a positive exposure for Lupus just in itself for maybe people to think "wow what is Lupus?" and look into it, but also to help tackle the harmful stigma that men cannot have Lupus; it helped breach that subject imo and create conversation where hopefully many could learn.
Can it still flare up later? Absolutely. So to discount him as "lying" or "faking" is also just a disservice to those who feel like they are faking or lying, when it can end up taking 7 years for some to even get their diagnosis. It took me 4 years to get a diagnosis; everything pointed to no until it pointed to yes; the signs were there the whole time just like for him. I wasn't lying when I would tell friends back then I worried I had Lupus. I don't think being aware with the concerns doctors tell us is "lying" or trying to profit, and it's a horrible gate-keeping mentality to Lupus and just chronic illnesses/autoimmune diseases in general to act like somebody is lying or trying to profit by being open about something that is often unsure.
When a chat member shared their loss of their male partner being diagnosed and subsequently passing, it was hard and they noted Ethan did wrong by continuing to talk about. But I think it's more reason to give voice and notice to men potentially having Lupus, and in my opinion that is all he was doing. It is not IMPOSSIBLE and it makes it hard for people to even consider something is wrong with them, especially men, when men are gatekeeping OTHER MEN about what they can or can't have under the guise of "it's for women!" As a woman, I don't want Lupus gatekept; I want proper research, and many doctors will ignore the potential for Lupus in men BECAUSE they are men. THAT is a problem, and it skews results and Lupus can kill. Many illnesses have less studies, information, research done for certain categories who are afflicted by said illness because those affected don't go out and get help or treatment until it's too late, especially speaking towards men. Pretending like men can't have Lupus can and DOES kill. I do believe things could have been put a bit more eloquently, but this isn't formed as a "My journey to the diagnosis of Lupus" but just as "I had a health scare and I'm concerned." He has spoken many times on his anxiety, and he is just voicing his worries. It is human to be worried. Men chronically struggle to go and get help for their health issues, and to have it fought so "valiantly" by Jake while he is parading around "I am a voice for chronic illness!" is crazy to me as he has done the opposite and it creates more fear for men to speak up about A. Lupus, or B. being sick and being concerned about results. We ALL get scared by results!!! Stop criminalizing it or trying to cancel somebody for it!
bro this. this right here. Jake has done more harm than ethan by taking like 90% profit from his funds supposedly being a non-profit to help those with medical needs.
one more thing that bothers me with Jake's video is that just because Ethan doesn't have a diagnosis yet doesn't mean that something isn't going on with his health. Many illnesses can take months or years to correctly diagnose. I feel like this invalidates people who don't yet have a diagnosis. The symptoms and health concerns are still real even pre-diagnosis.
especially since it took so long for him to figure out his what his illness was too!!
I posted this on the new h3 pod but i'll put it here too:
as someone who was literally fired from my last job and had to miss a ton of schooling due to eczema, i always find it odd how people can be so dismissive of how debilitating it actually is. i've dealt with it for the past 2.5 years and it has caused me so much grief. i live a generally happy life but it's hard not to feel like absolute shit at times when your face and neck and hands and arms and legs are quite literally covered in painful, dry, hot, and even at times oozing patches. eyelid and hand eczema in particular is so annoying to have to deal with. i've dealt with acne on and off for over a decade but the embarrassment and shame i feel about my looks from eczema is comparable and at times feels even worse than the anxiety i had as a teenager with painful cystic acne. nothing is more humiliating than seeing the makeup you used to try to cover up all the blotches start to peel off after a few hours. there have been nights where I can only sleep through half of the night bc I can't find a position in which a part of my body feels like it's not on fire. even if you don't have a chronic illness, eczema can cause a lot of pain in someone's life. i can control it to a certain degree now but I (1) get expensive injections for it, (2) i've had to adjust my diet, (3) a lot of products in my home now cater to my sensitivities, (4) i moisturize an annoying amount, (5) my interactions with my cats have become more limited and I (6) had to move out of my family home and (7) have my brother take my dogs bc my eczema was exacerbated by them which has been the most heartbreaking part. it has definitely affected my day to day life and ik i'm not the only one. also, there is no definitive source of eczema but a LOT of the time it has to do with autoimmune issues, it just can't be officially considered a chronic illness bc not everyone with it has it bc of autoimmune reasons.
also real shit why do jake and his partner look like actual siblings
i was thinking this too!! eczema can be mild, but it can also be very serious!
@@mandi4794 absoutely I used to think it was just a mild little thing until it like forced me to change my entire lifestyle lmfao
i know this is from ages ago but yeah for REAL, my mum has a form of eczema called dermatitis and her flare ups are triggered by stress and are located mostly on her hands and her hands literally swell to twice the size and when it's bad if she makes a fist, her skin splits open at all of her joints and just starts POURING blood, and she literally can't bend her fingers or pick things up or even touch things because her hands feel like they're on fire, she used to have to sleep in gloves of steroid cream for weeks to stop it, luckily her stress levels have been way down for a few years so it hasn't happened for a while but it used to be absolutely BRUTAL. eczema is NO joke, especially in cases where it affects certain parts of your body (as you said eyelids being one of the worst) or where it's long lasting/more severe, i've had small patches before and it's driven me crazy i couldn't imagine how hard it must be for people like you or my mum who suffer long term, i hope you're okay 💞
As a person who has an official Lupus diagnosis, I thought Ethan’s whole Lupus Schtick was hilarious. It’s obviously a JOKE and he is worried about his health and is being over the top and dramatic about it. Also, Lupus is the punchline on House MD. It’s a grab bag disease and can masquerade as other things. It’s a joke and this guy is insane.
THIS 👏👏👏
I constantly thought about House lol
Agreed. It was clearly a bit that hit too close to the bone for Jake. But putting Ethan into the same category as those actually dealing with the symptoms of severe chronic illness, and utilising their own experiences to defend it is also wild to me 🤣 Ethan got abnormal bloods and freaked out about it, I don't think he ever genuinely believed he had Lupus.
I definitely don't agree with Jake, but Ethan was being insensitive...
Just because lupus is a grab bag disease that House has joked about, doesn't mean it is right to joke about.
As someone who got a Fibromyalgia diagnosis after six years of pain and being told i am crazy, I have seen so many shows joke about my illness and it hurts because it is already so stigmatized...
Also Ethan is kinda giving some misinfo on this, which is annoying, but he never claimed to be a medical professional, so i wouldn't analyze it like he did claim that.
I think Jake is taking his frustration with the the world (because the world can be frustrating for people with invisible illnesses because of the misconceptions, misinformation, and fakers) out on Ethan...
@@quinnmorgendorffer531 100% agree. Like Ethan said though, he's problematic about a lot of things 🤷♂️ it makes it look like Jake was fine with other 💩 Ethan has done, as long as it didn't affect him personally. I agree it was insensitive, and anyone arguing they had the same experience as Ethan missed the fact that he was symptomless except for a rash on his face. That's not the same as battling for years to be taken seriously and fully assessed and then diagnosed. It was a bit, that Jake found offensive - that's it 🤷♂️
Nobody wanna talk about how Ethan has OCD and This always thinking you’re ill thing is very much a symptom of some peoples OCD as someone with rather severe OCD I can relate
I don’t have OCD and have done this when going through severe gut health issues for 2 years.
it can also be really hard to deal with because even if you know that you have OCD and you tend to worry about getting ill, you don’t want to leave that up to chance like it always feels logical to pursue answers. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have to decide whether I think this is OCD and I should just ignore it when it might potentially be cancer.
@@basicallyno1722 cool, they're just trying to say it's a very common side effect of ocd.
if i had a nickel for every time a doctor told me everything was fine with my results but there was something dangerously wrong… i’d have multiple dollars. ethan looking stuff up on his own to better understand his health/advocate for his himself is completely normal
yes!!!!! i’d have at least 12 dollars
I was being discharged from hospital and could hear the nurses laughing that someone had mixed up my test results with someone else’s because I wasn’t “acting sick enough” for them to be my results and got a text from my GP saying do NOT leave the hospital. it was so awkward cause they were trying to make me leave but finally redid my bloods after my GP called and convinced them to and when the results came back they were like oh good thing you didn’t leave you would have died! Doctors telling you everything is fine is not in the slightest bit comforting and to just believe that when you can feel something is very wrong is a terrible idea. Jake shaming people for advocating for themselves then saying Ethan’s content is damaging is wild.
I can understand Jake not wanting to spread misinformation about chronic illnesses, as a person living with chronic illness myself. I think the biggest problem with his video is the sort of accusatory tone throughout. He could have made a video sharing the same info with a bit more gentleness and understanding, and I don't think it would have been received the same way.
He is also picking and choosing which information he shares. For example (and correct me if I'm wrong) , he talks about the number of health related donos Ethan got after saying he might have lupus, but Jake doesn't compare that to anything. The pod could have received the same volume of donations as they usually do, regardless of the topic. To omit potentially exculpatory information comes across as disingenuous and malicious.
Agreed, and I think any sane person would take health info from Ethan Klein with a grain of salt.
100% agree. While I think there is a conversation to be had about misinformation/influencers discussing medical conditions online, I don’t think Jake has any more authority over Ethan to have this discussion. Neither are healthcare workers, both have different chronic conditions. And not everyone has the same medical knowledge of others.
@@Amzzyyothis exactly! I’m not even a big fan of H3 but Jake’s video is legit unhinged. I used to like Jake but damn.
@Amzzyyo yeah I watched a few of those H3 episodes when they came out, and they truly didn't set off any alarm bells for me in their full context. The whole bit was sort of Ethan making fun of himself for his own health anxiety, which I think resonated with a lot of people bc who hasn't freaked themselves out by googling a symptom or lab result and immediately focusing in on the worst case scenarios on web MD or something.
Jake presents it as this sort of premeditated scam, when I really don't see any evidence for that. He can argue that it's irresponsible. He can even find it offensive. He's entitled to those opinions. However his video is presented as this "gotcha" moment that just falls flat.
It actually ends up coming across very mean spirited towards anyone with undiagnosed health concerns. Autoimmune disease is notoriously difficult to pin down due to the wide range of severity and symptoms, which fluctuate over time. Many autoimmune sufferers are dismissed, ignored, and accused of faking being sick or wanting to be sick for attention for years before being diagnosed. Saying that you can't speak at all about suspected health problems without a formal diagnosis... is kinda not it.
As someone with chronic illness, at some point during the diagnosis process there is a period where you think you have lupus and doctors do tests for them. He had rashes all over his eyes for months and had to stop one of his shows clearly because of the stress causing his health to be bad. Just because he doesn’t have lupus doesn’t mean he didn’t have anything. This guy is super condescending, and eczema can be debilitating and I don’t appreciate the way Jake mentions it in the beginning of the video. Jake’s video also doesn’t mention the fact that Ethan has Tourette’s edit: which can be co occurring with OCD or anxiety. Medical anxiety is pretty a real thing too! Jake skips over the parts where Ethan says he is going to listen to his doctor and stuff like that. I really hate Jake’s video, I genuinely appreciated Ethan sharing his health issues and making jokes about it. The issue of Lyme is super controversial and there are lots of different viewpoints on it within the medical community.
I have lupus, ra n eczema n im almost positive you wouldn't have a positive ANA for just eczema. It is super condensing and passive aggressive, and seems like he's purposely takin shit outta context or interpreting it wrong for some reason. Even when he's restating what Ethan just said seconds before, he's twisting his words. Its actually super weird to me why he thought this would b productive
And I think this live was when h3h3 was gonna have a call w his doctor live so ppl could hear what the doctor said so Ethan didn't confuse what was said
The consideration of lupus is so common that House even had a running joke of suggesting lupus for almost every (exaggeration, of course) patient throughout the show.
@@Demonchihuahuapositive ANA can be associated with asthma. Imagine going to Dr. Jake because you can’t breathe and the only other thing you have to go off of is a positive ANA test and he says no no no, it can only be eczema!
FR. Literally almost everyone suspected with autoimmune chronic issues gets tested by lupus. Its why I even found the lupus jokes funny bc as a someone who is sick Its just funny lmao
Ethan also paid for multiple fans hospital bills because he was aware that he has access that a lot of people in America don’t have
No, that’s called guilt lol
@@ThePennyArcade he still paid for fans hospital bills. End of story.
@@ThePennyArcadeyeah the fact that he has guilt that he is rich and others aren't is a massive green flag. It's not a bad thing he is rich... he made that money for himself. Feeling guilty for that and acknowledging it shows actual humanity.
factsssss@@truecrimenwine489
he paid like 5 peoples bills. they’re millionaires.
I’m kinda grossed out that this guy is attacking Ethan. If he actually watched the show he would know Ethan continuously gets sick, had crazy rashes on his face, falls sleep at the wheel, and overall clearly has something going on. As someone who has health issues that I fight with doctors about because they don’t take me seriously, I’m glad Ethan is sharing his frustrating story of not feeling well and not finding an answer. Jake is almost gatekeeping being chronically unwell. So ridiculous. I feel like he just wanted his 15 in the spot light
Spot on. And it’s not just Ethan having health anxiety. I’m tired of people boiling it down to that. He literally had abnormal blood tests. Plus, his mom has an autoimmune disease!
Gatekeeping! Perfect way to explain it thank you.
@@CassieMakesArtalso like tons of people have health anxiety, and people are so goddamn mean about it. People with health anxiety often know they’re being irrational, but that doesn’t help at all!
Also the fact that there are so many stories of getting brushed off by doctors… I think it is perfectly reasonable to be concerned about your labs. Many people have to go to multiple doctors to get the proper diagnosis.
It’s honestly wild how malicious Jake‘s video is. The framing is dishonest, he shows zero charitability to Ethan, and then diagnoses him with Eczema over the internet. I’m baffled that he posted this.
Having an undiagnosed autoimmune illness is scary. As someone living without a diagnosis who has been fighting for one for over five years, I relate to Ethan. I often search my symptoms and think well; maybe it's this after receiving abnormal lab results. I really don't understand why this video was made. It feels very gatekeeping and discouraging to people just looking for answers or space to discuss their frustrations and fears.
All the video proved was that Ethan is a fellow human being with outward thoughts and emotions, ya know… just like one of us.
As someone who follows both of these creators and is also chronically ill... ...getting diagnosed with a lifelong illness is scary. It's so scary. You talk about it with people. You say things that end up being incorrect. Your diagnosis can change and it can become something else. Are you LYING if you thought you had something and you end up not having it? Not at all. As long as a creator is not sitting down and doing a "Beginners Guide to _________", then they're free to do what they want. There are SO MANY disabled creators that have videos like, "My chronic illness journey" where they talk about all the times they were misdiagnosed, where something was missed and they said they had something else, or something developed into something else... That's literally part of what it is to be chronically ill.
Did Ethan start a Go Fund Me to help cover the cost of chemotherapy for a cancer he entirely fabricated? Was he staging photos of himself in the hospital and posting them online for sympathy and financial gain? No, he's just a guy.
I absolutely where Jake is coming from, and a lot of people in the chronic illness community do, but when your entire life is about being chronically ill, it's easy to forget that some people don't have the live in the constant state of "fight or flight" like we do.
I feel the exact same! I’m also chronically ill and it felt awful to hear someone who is prominent in talking about his illness, criticizing how someone else deals with their medical anxiety. Like Jake, just because you have it, doesn’t mean you dictate how it’s dealt with for everyone! I really appreciate you pointing out too that you talk about with everyone, because you obsess over it! You almost wish you’d hear a diagnosis to know what’s wrong with you to get it over with and Jake can’t even seem to remember how stressful that can become for one person.
I'm in the same boat. Ethan was just doing the anxious obsessive googling that happens when you hype yourself up and panic. I have Sjogrens and it's actually scary to be told you need to see a rheumatologist because "it's almost always something that happens with Lupus". It's a scary prospect and getting diagnosed is mentally draining.
I feel bad for Jake when he reacts poorly to things he views as insensitive, because I get it, but this whole video was a big misstep, imo.
I agree with yall, I was miss diagnosed with Lupus for a few years and told everyone I had it. When I found out I actually had fibromyalgia and another autoimmune condition I felt like so awkward for telling so many people I had Lupus. But it wasn’t my fault, it was just part of the journey to diagnosis. I appreciate the vulnerability of people like Ethan who is sharing his whole journey which for most people feels so isolating. I dont expect anyone on their medical journey to know exactly how to carry themselves or how to navigate that space, no one does!
My sister is a hyper condriac how ever you spell it lol she always thinks something is wrong with her. And Ethan doesn’t come off like he’s trying to misinform his audience. Sorry for your illness. I have depression and anxiety and get told all the time to “snap out of it” or that I’m lying and faking this. Sure I have faked my 100 panic attacks in 25 years for a hobby. I don’t live off the system to get disability like some people do with mental illnesses. Maybe I’ll have to one day idk. My mom commit suicide and mental illness runs in my family. So maybe I should throw my moms ashes in the next person eyes who say I’m lying lolol jk don’t need jail time or to waste my moms ashes. Like do I have to s word my self to prove my messed up brain and thoughts are real. No fuck the haters lol 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I wish I could snap out of my severe depression that would be the best day ever. Maybe I can go back to working 80 hours a week and not feeling burnt out for a decade
This also isn’t the first time Ethan or even H3 have talked about health struggles. The crew have talked about personal medical issues and struggles, Hila was even comfortable enough to share medical information about multiple pregnancy’s and the high’s and lows of starting a family. They talk about their life to their fan base. They always have and I hope, they always will. This whole thing has just been blown way out of proportion.
My opinion as a chronic illness patient (endometriosis): Gatekeeping a disease that is already incredibly hard for people to advocate for their own diagnoses, only serves to worsen the overall situation for future patients. Don’t shame someone for seeking diagnosis and worrying about it while they do so (especially if they suffer anxiety). This will perpetuate the diagnosis problem by people being too afraid of the gatekeepers to self advocate and keep seeking diagnosis.
Obviously the death threats are insane, but that also shouldn’t be used as a deflection from criticism. Of course Ethan is going to cover it, theres a chunk of people now who believe Ethan was pretending to have Lupus for views and money
It’s wild to me, as someone with an autoimmune disease, that someone else with one would ever criticize how someone deals with their health problems. Like even if he overreacted and is a hypochondriac, most people are in regards to their own health. I empathize with Jake but I think he’s on the wrong plane of thought.
I don’t dislike Jake, but I have disengaged from his content because imo he’s too sensitive and has a tendency to overreact.
@@chrisjyoubthat’s what I’m saying. And I keep seeing people say “but Ethan needs to be more responsible with his platform” but this is driving me nuts because the implication is: Ethan is saying all of this 100% serious, no jokes not irony. And, people look to Ethan for medical advise. And that he’s just not allowed to talk about any of his health problems or anxieties on HIS SHOW.
I think anyone would choose lupus over cancer, if given the choice!!!🤷♀️
And its all very strange that jake doesn't mention that its a comedy pod and its how ethan copes with stressful things. Especially considering how Jake does the same thing... But more extreme!! I was a fan of jakes up until recently and this is just massively hypocritical.
ethan did not say “lupus isn’t that bad” he just said he wants to be there to see his children grow up, absolutely heartbreaking to see jake undermine that
no he said lupus isn’t as bad
@@mallory6579-because the life expectancy of it is higher than that of cancer. He’s got two young kids and one on the way, I would probably think the same way. He said it in a way that comes across as insensitive though, but obviously he’s going to want to choose the “lesser” of the two evils in terms of health.
In my opinion, cancer is most definitely one of the worst things to be diagnosed with.. that’s not undermining other illnesses out there, it’s just factual when you look into it deeply and look at statistics. I do agree that the way he said it was probably in poor taste, (the poll was just plain dumb, but what else do we expect from him lol). He’s said before that his biggest fears are cancer/dying so I understand where he’s coming from.
My mom had a breast cancer scare a few years ago when she found lumps in her breasts tissue. I genuinely think the best outcome was cysts (which runs in our family, and thankfully what it was) do cysts suck? Absolutely. But hearing it wasn't cancer was such a relief
dear god y’all are wild
@@mallory6579 ...COMPARED TO CANCER. Context matters dude.
Okay so remember when Sam mentioned she wanted a new car and people went crazy donating towards it? It’s free will. Nobody asked them to donate, nobody asked for donations towards a cause, and nobody forced anyone into an obligation to donate. This is not an H3 scam. It’s people who care or are qualified to speak on the topic feeling moved to comment which is HOW SUPERCHAT WORKS.
Exactly… Jake keeps talking like ppl with chronic illnesses don’t have the free will to spend their money as they please???? They never requested superchats and never promise to respond to all of them. Ppl can use their credit cards as they wish!
Jake: "fuck you for publicly having hypochondria"
The irony of that video is insane. "You need to have more respect for chronic illnesses" while also arguing that he "probably just has eczema/ is faking it" is pretty glaring. Isn't a big issue in the chronic illness community the fact that doctors don't take things seriously and accuse people of exagerating? Shouldn't we be advocating that people know their own bodies and if they arent feeling 100% we should take that seriously? This jake kid is giving me mansplaining doctor vibes.
@@Froggele as someone who's currently dealing with an unknown medical illness, Ethan is doing what anyone would. My issues aren't lining up with lupus and instead everything under the sun from EDS to lymphoma but I 100% understand how he's feeling. Having weird blood work is absolutely reason for concern, and honestly, trying to find answers online when the doctors aren't giving you anything is normal and Chatgpt ended up giving him a pretty realistic, undramatic, indefinite answer (unlike the Google we all know and trust), that he went on to make jokes about. I have my issues with Ethan being out of touch, and a plethora of his political takes but this is just dogpiling him for having a human reaction.
To sum up, I've been making jokes about possibly having lymphoma in my personal life because I think I'm trying to mentally prepare myself for the worst outcome and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
@@datgurl12121 I got context now that I didn’t know about previously, so I deleted my comment. The fact that Jake made this video feels very… idk dishonest or delusional now.
Regarding your health struggles I hope that everything works out for you and that you‘ll get good news soon! Trust me I can relate.
My mom has lupus, and the way ethan is thinking /explaining is basically how she was while waiting for her results. If you think you have a disease, its scary and youll wanna vent. I love jakes content but this video is just jake nitpicking ethan being afraid that he may have something serious .
Right… it’s like if he ended up diagnosed with something more serious than his anxiety would have been validated to everyone, but since he wasn’t, his wasn’t allowed to be anxious while awaiting test results.
I feel like most of Jake's content is needlessly "nitpicking".
@@m00n.kitt3n.z00m facts
For some reason, Jake HATES Ethan. He has an agenda against this man
this! when you have abnormal results your mind wanders like crazy until you get answers and you think google is your best friend.
Ethan never faked lupus. He was worried he had it.
I’ve genuinely never seen such an accurate representation of how debilitating health anxiety is. It seeps into everything you think about
@mmalove98 for real. It's relateable, and he wasn't trying to beg for sympathy. Jake's video is so weird and nitpicky.
no he claimed he had it. he literally said chat gpt told me that’s probably what it was when he admitted he didn’t even have but one symptom..
@@goopbuni i've been watching h3 for a long time and he's been on a long health journey for awhile at this point where multiple symptoms in real life have pointed to lupus. he got one strange lab with a heptologist that he spoke with chatgpt about that you are talking about that said he had lupus but he had other symptoms as well
He had the red mask! I have it too on my face! I can understand the panic ha
As someone who is extremely chronically ill- i find people like ethan joking about it very comforting. Its so dark getting diagnosed with so many illnesses already, to joke about it helps not feel like its such a death sentence.
Jake being mad at Ethan for not being a doctor, able to 100% accurately relay medical information for 45 minutes lol give me a break, we’re watching his health journey- he’s just trying to figure out what’s going on with himself and is sharing along the way???
brother .. ethan is a millionaire with all the accessibility to actual care and doctor visits… he’s used chatgpt up until his crew (like always) talked some sense into him. he’s a 40 year old man, being babied by his fans. genuinely how are we feeling bad for him self diagnosing when he HAS MONEY TO DO IT
@@sybill123fulhe went to three different doctors multiple times what are you on about. i don’t get the rhetoric of “he has money why do people care” his fans watch him for a reason, they care about his life. if you don’t watch him, you obviously won’t. he isn’t asking anything from his fans.
Does he really not get that Ethan doesn’t actually trust chat gpt with his life and medical info?😂
The interview of actually Lupus patients……..oy.
This video from Jake made no sense to me. It is such a reach and so inconsiderate to the real health anxiety Ethan was facing. Threats are never ok but the criticism is expected, IMO. He put teasers for the video on Instagram and RUclips and people were not having it
Ntm, it brought a lot of health conversations to the forefront and Ethan ended up paying for a random group of peoples medical debts because he felt so bad for those who couldn't get the access to tests like he could just because
"real health anxiety" 🤣
I do not get the impression that Ethan is lying. He's just freaking out about his health, which I do on the daily. I absolutely google and scrutinize my bloodwork results before I see the doctor. He's behaving normally. Idk wtf Jake is on about.
I am an avid H3 fan. It's a running joke that Ethan over embeslishes for comedic purposes, has chronic auto immune issues, and uses his jokes and banter with the crew for relief. Anyone who watches the show regularly can see that the crew and chatters rag on him (with peace and love) for it. Ethan also tells audience memebers to ask RUclips to back charge the donations, and frequently sends chronically ill fans money to pay for treatments. Additionally, an H3 crew member even told Jake not to post it b/c it was silly and would cause Jake backlash.
Death threats are insane, and not cool. Normal people don't do that and I am sure 90% of H3 fans are regular people who wouldn't participate in that all. But Jake put out that video with his full chest and is now expecting Ethan to not comment on it. Jake isn't new to the internet. This isn't a surprise.
when did a member say not to post it?? i always watch h3 and i can’t remember that happening on the show, im just curious lol
@@julienna7644it didn't happen on the show that I know of, but Jake mentioned them reaching out to him in his video.
90%? More like 99%! Hate and threats are never justified, but the h3 subreddit and discord were bored of Jake by this point already.
@@patty8991 true! I was being lenient with that % because you never know what weirdos hate watch and do insane stuff like doxing/threats etc.
The way jake worded it as someone on the crew calling him insane ... He probably just told them what he was doing and that was their reaction to it, its insane that hes twisting all this stuff to fit his narrative
The idea that one cant be excited for a diagnosis is insane to me. Being diagnosed is acknowledgement, and it can lead to treatment afterwards. I know OCD is not at all the same thing as lupus, but being diagnosed made me feel so validated and actually became the start of being able to cope with it, so i genuinely understand feeling ready and excited to be diagnosed
I have OCD too and being officially diagnosed was a huge relief
i’ve dealt with minor ocd pretty much my entire life and i’ve also got multiple physical chronic conditions, and at one point thought i had lupus, the prospect of a diagnosis and eventually getting one of the correct condition (as far as i know to this day) is incredibly exciting for both the physical and mental conditions i’ve got. They don’t affect the body the same, but the excitement is so very similar.
@@reckless_herb wishing you the best in your life
@@lvrs_world thanks! ditto! i know OCD alone can be insanely debilitating, i hope you are able to find methods of treatment that provide relief as well! Also, recent treatments have all been very beneficial, so i think im diagnosed accurately at this point!
@@reckless_herb thanks ! And that's awesome that things are working out
Jake trying to stand up for women with chronic illness while also saying Ethan is faking being sick is sooooo ironic
Was just going to comment this
I’m a pretty critical viewer of the h3 podcast and Ethan’s health has been noticeably declining over 2023. He was very transparent about being scared to have an illness like lupus or cancer but him and the crew kept things lighthearted which is totally up to them. Out of all the things to criticize h3 and specifically Ethan for and this is what was chosen???
my thoughts exactly. The real humanity Ethan shows when hes vulnerable is a good thing in my opinion.
Having that weird transphobe lady on to co-host recently is a much more valid thing to criticize H3 for than (checks notes) Ethan being anxious about his health, when he has autoimmune symptoms like chronic fatigue, and a 3rd child on the way??
Ive watched every h3 episode and Ethan has been going thru a long diagnosis journey where some symptoms pointed to lupus. Being a nervous person who also spirals when I get strange lab results, I fully related to Ethan’s nervous spiral on the topic.. i didn’t find anything wrong with his panic and using humor to cope with the anxiety of unknown health concerns .. if anything it was relatable
Same! My doctors can't figure out what's wrong with me either because of all my confusing labs so to see ethan unfortunately going thru the same thing was kind of helpful to know I'm not alone 😅
that’s just not true tho. he literally admitted that he only had ONE of the symptoms of lupus. he was not getting strange results, he was in a chatGPT self diagnosing spiral
I agree! He was being honest, open, and real. I appreciate how open he is w his heath anxiety bc it’s something where if ur struggling with it you may feel super alone
@@comradeporgtotally! The chaotic journey of trying to get a diagnosis in this world is so freaking stressful and I don’t know how anyone can not spiral/google haha.
@@goopbunisure the only symptoms were the test results and the face rashes and he spiraled. A lot of people spiral when they are stuck in that unknown phase of health issues tho
Jake gate keeping (hate keeping) feeling sick is so obnoxious. As a woman who has chronic illness and have been medically gaslit my entire life- he’s lucky he has the support he does. Some of us are dying and no one will look our direction. Sorry Jake, kick rocks.
Exactly!!! The privilege of being able to BE DIAGNOSED is not talked about enough especially for anyone who isn't a man
In a similar situation. I've been gaslit for 20 years by doctors. I agree with you 100%
Jake is historically VERY self righteous.
not really agreeing with this. how is jack gatekeeping being sick while simultaneously talking about how women are more likely diagnosed with all of the conditions he's talking about? that seems like kind of a reach...
@@sarinaxoxo952gatekeeping doesn't mean you don't allow others into the club, it just means you bar certain people from it. He is gatekeeping people on their health search and who self diagnose during that time. Apparently, according to Jake, there was a long time I wouldn't have been allowed to talk about my fears. Doctors wanted to hospitalize me for hypochondria. Yet the pain I had was so bad I couldn't sit up without my mom lifting me up. The delay I had in my diagnosis resulted in me having terrible hand contractures by the time I got real treatment. I was 12 and didn't have internet access like we do today. I would have loved to have talked to people about the fear I had, but I feel like he would have barred me from his community based on this.
I have Lupus and I am a huge h3 fan- I really enjoyed the banter around it. Ethan did something super normal in freaking out about the possibility of having an illness. Saying that Ethan made money off of “lying” about it seems incredibly disingenuous and is just blatantly not the truth. I’m actually quite offended by the things Jake said; it feels like he’s gatekeeping being chronically ill. Part of having an autoimmune disease is being invalidated by people who don’t even believe autoimmune diseases exist. This feels the same to me for some reason. I actually really appreciated the conversation around Lupus because again, people don’t know what it is. It gave lupus a lot of exposure. I really am annoyed by Jake’s video…it is not at all genuine, and honestly in bad faith.
Watching this in December 2024 so crazy how time works
Yuuup. Jake is the only person in the world that has chronic illness nobody else is allowed to ever have any health concerns. Even his video about maid in Canada is just awful and just dismisses all of the concerns of the people in that video and claims they're lying about their experiences in a healthcare system he has no experience of
I find it hipcritical of Jake to call what Ethan is doing dangerous and a con, when he called Trisha Paytas' mocking skits about DID, gender dysphoria, and so many other disorders, "iconic".
pop tf off, THANK YOU 👏🏼
He was being ironic are you serious
its one of his shticks he does it with a few creators hes not being fr lol
@@alexhilliard151 so was ethan?
@@hogwild666 it's still irresponsible for Ethan to go on live saying he has been using chatgpt to try and help self-diagnose himself multiple times and Im sorry I just really don't see an issue with people within the chronic illness community pointing out his over sharing is weird. I don't see why y'all are so pissed at just seeing someone else's perspective, H3 loves this kind of drama and all the attention has only been helping his channel sooo maybe get a life?
I can definitely see where Jake is coming from. From the sounds of it, his childhood was pretty much ruined by chronic illness. Topics of chronic illness like this might be very sensitive to him, and it can definitely make him upset seeing someone talk about chronic illness in a joking way. But, the joking could be apart of Ethan's coping mechanism. I grew up with a chronically ill mom and seeing it from this perspective, I can see why Jake would be rubbed the wrong way by what has been said by Ethan. At the end of the day, people see things differently and people cope differently. Maybe in the process of Ethan trying to cope, he didn't realize that some of the jokes he was saying could have been insensitive. But, I don't think Jake should be sent death threats just for interpreting something a certain way. I think the best thing for Jake to do is to take down the video, explain his perspective and point of view, and probably take some time off. To be honest, I wish more people could see social media characters as humans with their own personalities who have their own autonomy and who make their own mistakes.
I agree I think it personally affected Jake alot
While I see where Jake is coming from and sympathize with his illness and how it affected it. But the problem for me comes from how he's always been part of dissecting everything someone says. In the same way people are coming at Jake and not seeing him as a full human, he's not seeing Ethan as a regular guy who's worried about his health for a numerous amount of reasons.
right and if people actually watched what ethan was saying they’d realize jake was coming from somewhere because of his past etc
Couldn't agree more with your take
As someone who has spent 8 hours in an ER with a doctor not taking me seriously and passing me off with just having an Sti even though the results were negative only to have a kidney stone it’s insulting he thinks you should always trust your doctor
Just look at all the people who have struggled and been dismissed in their health journey
This!!! A doctor told me I have internal bleeding and my kidneys may have ruptured... hours later in the ER turns out I just had a kidney infection. The absolute trauma of spending hours thinking that first doctor was right is still with me even though this occurred almost 6 years ago now
@@cheyennecohu878exactly. He doesn't understand he is entitled and most do not have his money either
I have only gone to the ER twice in my life, both times because I genuinely believe that I was dying. And the only thing I got out of either visit was a diagnosis of a yeast infection. Despite me never having yeast infections before or any of the symptoms. And being absolutely unrelated to why I went to the ER. Like seriously the first time, I was almost completely unable to move and the doctor and other staff were acting like nothing was wrong.
@@aduckofsomesort I was treated this exact same way, I'm sorry you had to endure that
The H3 crew consistently plays the soundbite of Joe Rogan saying “I’m not a doctor, I’m a moron” but of course Jake conveniently leaves that and all the joking the crew did about this out. All this is so stupid, neither Ethan nor Jake are doctors, they’re literally just some dudes talking.
I was wrongly diagnosed and treated for Lupus for 2 years. Let's be honest. Doctors aren't always right either. Which is why we do our own research. He was scared not knowing what those things meant and ran with a diagnosis that felt close.
I’ve watched Jake and H3 both for a while now and while I can see where Jake was coming from, his points missed the mark for me. I thought it was a little unfair that Jake would question Ethan’s medical anxiety when Jake’s illness was dismissed by several doctors.
Edit: that being said, obviously death threats and harassment are completely unwarranted
You hit on the exact reason I got frustrated by Jake’s “just trust your doctor!” statement. He should understand why people don’t always just trust their doctors. Many of us have been burned by doctors to later be diagnosed with disabilities that we could have understood years prior if only we had been believed!
@bellvitale @@eckillasuch good points here, I’ve got an issue with my knees which has resulted in 9 operations, long term opioid prescriptions etc. and some of the consultants I’ve seen have been so callous (one literally said “well, what do you want me to do about it?”) - I cried then (at that point I was around 31 years old, now 37) and then I later bawled my eyes out when discussing the knee issues with another consultant advised me that the problem with my knees was really bad and the fissures in my joints would be the cause of my great pain…
I’d almost been questioning myself before that, like, do these doctors think I’m making it up? It was such a relief!
Jake’s video is so bitter, absolutely dire take on the subject.
Same, I used to watch Jake a lot. However, he started acting like an authority on chronic illness early. I don't think he thinks he is, but that's about how he acts and comes off honestly. As someone who didn't find out, they had EDS until I was 22, and I'm 34 now. I was absolutely happy and relieved to have answers to the many injuries and issues I've had as a result of this syndrome. I have to see a cardiologist and go see a vascular specialist to monitor more serious issues that my EDS can cause, like heart issues. Now that I have had an official diagnosis for 12 years, and I'm now educated of signs of EDS, I'm not sure how it wasn't caught sooner, but then again the doctors explained I was a, "zebra" not a horse. (For those who don't know, in the medical field you're taught when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.) It's nice having answers when you've been in pain, and having other health issues. It's also nice finding out you're not dying. I also have C-PTSD (professionally diagnosed when I was a teenager, due to severe child abu$e.) Which causes me to have anxiety issues, and like Ethan, my mind honestly sometimes spins out of control with worry when it comes to health issues. Not just my issues, either, but even my kids and husband (I don't voice those scary worries thoughts to them, when it's one of them that's sick), but I do worry. It sucks. I hate seeing Jake's take on this. He's really starting to take things too hard. It's disappointing because I really did like him and his videos, but this is feeling like gatekeeping.
@@GingerThereforeNoSoul Hi fellow mucker
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I’m not gonna lie it seems like Jake is trying to do what he’s getting mad at Ethan for doing, which is making guesses about someone’s health without being or talking to a doctor. Ethan doesn’t claim to have anything, just says he was researching and what he found. Jake is saying for a fact that Ethan does not have things while not being a doctor.
Right?? I noticed that every time Ethan said “I have Lupus” there was a MAYBE, PROBABLY, or I THINK in there. I think it was just a little overboard.
And Jake bringing up that it's mainly women who have lupus was very frustrating to hear. I have family members with lupus all men, and my father in law has lupus. You can't dismiss what someone is being tested for because of their gender
@@enexius67he shouldn’t have been saying that at all, especially not to millions of people?? He had no reason to think he even could have possibly had it. I understand anxiety but it’s deeply concerning to spread that to all your followers and play it up like a joke
@@mcomeaux3087 Adam did mention in there that it was a long podcast, and given that it’s more like a talk show and often podcasts are somewhat unprepared, they tend to just talk about whatever’s on their mind. Plus he wasn’t claiming to have lupus or anything, just more like mentioning that that plus cancer and a few other things were his main concerns.
@@cait225 yeah, I think a big reason for that statistic is that because there is no cure. They’re taking a majority of diagnoses and focusing on testing just those rather than diagnosing it. It could also be because some symptoms appear different in men than in women. Overall im just saying that it’s WAY under diagnosed and Jake bringing that up was super dismissive
Health anxiety is a hell of a thing and I would think Jake would be more empathetic considering he states he’s been sick his whole life. Maybe he doesn’t also deal with health anxiety? But geez! Ethan is clearly just anxious and worried about his health! I’m recovering from surgery right now. Even directly after my follow-up where the doctor said everything looked phenomenal, I was starting to stress that something was actually wrong. Jake doesn’t deserve death threats but he also should be more understanding that his experience of being sick may not be everyone’s. He doesn’t speak for all sick people and he clearly doesn’t understand health anxiety.
I used to watch Jake, and I stopped. I didn’t like his general attitude, and I felt like he would immediately jump to the most negative conclusions and take things out of context so it would fit his opinion. He would also get really heated. It just wasn’t the kind of energy I wanted to spend my time watching. I never expected something like this though.
I havent watched in awhile because life, but Adam, you look so happy, and healthy, and glowing! Moving past all of last years drama looks SO good on you :)
I think Jake (as a chronically ill person) felt some type of way when Ethan started talking about these illnesses. Like, it struck a nerve with him. Because it's obviously something very important to him. And he interpreted everything Ethan did as malicious and was unable to take a step back and view things objectively. I don't think either party said what they said out of malice. (Hopefully)
Well you're wrong I thought the video was weird too. Turns out Jake begged Ethan for a job on the pod and Ethan turned him down. So I unsubbed from Jake because this was a cynical hit piece.
i definitely think jake was being malicious
That's what I thought too before I found out he was obsessively messaging Ethan and his crew to hire him and collab with him. After being ignored and told no for so long, he makes this hit piece
I used o watch every thing Jake put out but particularly after his 100 videos in 100 days his videos came across really bitter and judgmental instead of light hearted and conversational. I don't know what shifted in his content and I hope he's doing well.
He showed his real self during this, before he was more careful
yeah i used to watch his stuff more but in recent months i noticed a lot of his videos are just: shows clip of video, pause, Jake imitates the clip in a funny voice and basically goes "hahaha wtf???? 🤪", rinse and repeat. i noticed a lot of it just seemed really light on the commentary and not very substantive. i want his opinion, not just him making fun of the topic, basically. disappointing cuz i did generally like his stuff before but yeah, something kinda changed. i hope he's okay and can learn from this and get through it tho, he doesn't deserve harm or anything, just needs to read the room and adjust
I SO AGREE i had to unsubscibe bc i couldn't take the constant negativity! I see a lot of parallels between him and nickisnotgreen ngl-- both started out lighthearted but focused on posting so frequently that they lost the plot and are becoming more and more like the people that they would criticize at first.
yeah you would really see it in his livestreams even more so than his edited videos :/ :(
@@anastasiad2302 omg yes. the livestreams were what kind of killed my like of him
Is it just me or with all these teasers and stuff it seems like he wanted to do a swoop kinda takedown on Ethan and it completely backfired
Did he really just make a whole video being jealous people are donating to Ethan instead of his charity? Him just reading the donations out, it felt so loaded.
As someone who is chronically ill, I was googling everything because my doctors told me I was fine. Turns out I wasn't if I trusted every doctor I have gone to I would probably be dead
My biggest issue with Jake’s take is that it takes years for people to get diagnosed for a lot of things and Ethan is literally in the beginning stages of that war. Ethan is enthusiastically looking for an answer.
Glad it was a very short war for him
tbh as someone who also has a similar medical problem and who has a mother with both lupus and fibro, Jake's whole take really offended me. My mother has been through years of people not believing her snd calling her paranoid. Unfortunately medical professionals can have bias and be wrong. It seems like Ethan is on a journey of figuring things out just like many of us have had to go through for years. I would have thought Jake would understand that and not come at this with what feels like just attacking someone who is trying to figure things out and being open about how rough that can be. I'm not a fan of Ethand at all, i absolutely dislike him however, I would never just accuse him of lying about his medical struggles and I never got the impression he was.
Yeah, Ethan has done some legitimately shitty things, being confused and anxious about his health is not one of them
fr id rather focus in his actual wrong doings @@raven_moonshine39
no literally as someone w fibro the whole thought of just letting your doctors take the wheel and not pushing cracked me up!! the number of doctors i had to plead to believe me was horrible, and while similarly not a fan of ethan, i cannot fault someone for being concerned about their health and wanting answers. also the process for getting diagnosed for so many chronic illnesses sucks. once you have certain diagnoses they will just attribute everything to it. worst one was when i got told that my chest pain was just anxiety when i told my doctor i couldn’t sleep lying down due to pain in my chest/feeling like i couldn’t breathe. turned out to be asthma plus costochondritis (def not how u spell it but essentially an inflamed rib cage). both of which ran in my family which the doctor knew and i reiterated. she still refused to believe me and i later went to the ER when it got bad again only to have them do it there and have to pay a ton of money since they were ER doctors and not my gen practitioner:/
All these FULL h3 episodes clearly show the crew pushing back that ethan probably doesnt have lupus. To me, watching the full episodes, this reads obviously as a medical-anxiety situation. I understand jakes frustration, bc i have felt the same way with ethan, but ive alway seen it as him just catastrophizing. Let him spiral and work through it. Idk it just seems like a video that would come from someone who only saw clips and not the whole episodes? Which makes me feel like jake is either bad faith, or simply too close to this stuff to be objective.
I mean we all knew by the end that he doesn't have lupus which is exactly why it became an inside joke to say that he has it 😅
@@angelbaxter7971 right!? Like the editing of Jake's video cut around the whole team laughing at him or any of the dialogue happening. It's how ethan dealing with his fear after his dog dying and a new kid on the way. Is Ethan always smart or funny? No. Does that stop him? Never lol.
I feel like Jake always comes on here claiming he wants to educate people or help people with chronic issues yet he always misses the perfect opportunity to. In the situation he could have easily said “hey my friend Ethan, who I’ve worked with before is currently going through some health issues and trying to find some answers and he talked about it on his podcast so I wanted to kind of react to it and talk a little bit about health anxieties how to stay calm clearing up some misconceptions about the illnesses he was talking about.” I can agree that Ethan definitely made some misinformed statements but it’s clear that this is coming from a place of genuine anxiety and worry for his health not some scam.
thats actually a really good point. he wanted to do a take-down video essay when all we needed was commentary 😅
My dad was recently diagnosed with lupus and told the whole family. Later, after more tests, they found out it is not lupus, but is a similar autoimmune disease. Ethan could have legitimately said he was diagnosed with lupus and legitimately said later that he didn't have lupus.
i’m a bigger fan of jake than i am of ethen but the video felt really inappropriate. i really do think ethan was concerned about his health, and saying it was for prophet is gross, especially coming from someone like jake who raises money for chronic illness. death threats and questioning jake’s medical history is out of line but he’s said tons of times before putting the video out he knew he was gonna get a lot of hate and probably even lose friendships.
I'm a chronically ill person too and I really do think Ethan just has bad health anxiety
I'm pretty sure everyone with chronic health issues and anxiety has thought ''what if i have lupus?'' at some point. jake is taking it way too seriously
@@abirdgang Right lol. You can also be genuinely chronically ill and have misplaced health anxiety at the same time. I have MS and I also manage to convince myself I have cancer at least once a week. I don't think Jake considered this.
it feels like he’s jealous others are getting help and money for their health issues
Something important to note since he keeps focusing on it, is that ChatGPT is a running bit. It's a running joke on the show and everyone knows this. Focusing so hard on it with such a serious tone just doesn't make sense with this context.
This guy doesn’t deserve any hate at all, but he’s reaching really hard and shouldn’t have posted this video
Pretty much all there is to say about this situation lol
it literally doesn’t matter either way
I think Jake has the "privilege" (not the right word, but the best I can think of now) of being diagnosed at a young age where his parents were dealing with most of the uncertainty of having no answers.
I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia last year. It took years of seeing different doctors and getting different blood tests done. No one had any definitive answers, and I was so confused and stress about my symptoms, that I turned to the internet. Once I had the information to be able to understand what was happening to my body, I was able to bring tons of research articles and books to my doctors who ultimately ended up agreeing with me. Diagnosing chronic illness/pain is so difficult, and a lot of doctors are hesitant because of the chance they could misdiagnose. Plus, I also constantly made jokes about my symptoms to cope with my concerns.
Jake can't tell Ethan how he should be coping with his health issues, especially since ocd-type thinking can often coincide with tourettes. I'm glad you covered this because I couldn't bring myself to watch Jake's video. I knew it would be upsetting considering the amount of time, effort, and research I put into figuring out my own health issues. Jake doesn't realize how he's making himself seem superior to other people trying to figure out their own chronic illnesses.
No it's absolutely a privilege, if he was a woman it would have taken significantly longer to get diagnosed
@@RatClowns Right? His take seems like it can be summed up by "just listen to your doctors" when women, poc, and even some men get brushed aside or told it's bc they're overweight or its anxiety, etc...
@@emilymunsell1123 let alone even being able to SEE a doctor!!
Omg I made a comment similar to yours. However I said that if Jake didn’t get diagnosed at such a young age he would’ve probably been acting like Ethan. Having health anxiety etc
@@cyb3r.punk13 yes exactly!!! he's clearly judging Ethan for something he's never personally experienced.
I've also been watching Ethan's "lupus journey" last year and saw the episode that Jake references first. As soon as Ethan said he brought his lab results to Chat GPT, I felt like he was being unserious. It became an inside joke amongst the viewers and the crew that Ethan "had" lupus and never stated that his doctor gave him that diagnosis. I think Jake is taking Ethan's jokes seriously based on his own tough journey with chronic illness diagnosis and he's welcome to share that experience with his audience. It's completely fine that Jake doesnt like these jokes but if he understood that these were jokes, he wouldnt be facing constructive criticism.
I think it's a fair critique that continuous jokes about a subject that affects a lot of people (chronic illness in this case) can be harmful to an extent. Especially for those outside of the inner h3 audience who isnt aware that hes joking every time. I think unintentional harm is very real with stuff likethay. But the framing that ethan is maliciously lying to scam people for money is just not it. I think if he focused on "I know these are jokes, but here's why it could still be harmful" instead of calling Ethan a scammer, his video wouldve been better received. And I don't even like Ethan.
I agree! I do agree with Jake that he didn’t seem very educated on lupus diagnosis and was making jokes that impact a group he isn’t a part of. I think Ethan was just going down a rabbit hole / spiraling about what could be wrong with him
i think a common thing for ethan is that yeah he makes joke that aren't in the best taste but his worst trait is that he keeps making the joke and doesn't necessarily know when to stop.
Totally agree with you. Jake could have brought up his issues with a little more empathy towards Ethan. Instead he tried to make what Ethan was doing sound malicious or something.
he straight up claimed ethan was taking money from sick fans... his posts about this gave me the biggest ick.
Not just malicious but criminal. Ethan already gets so much needless shit conspiracizing about his money in a way that feeds a kind of antisemitic narrative imo. I don’t think that’s what Jakes intentions were but the anti h3 antisemites will certainly eat it up
I dont blame Ethan for being scared. Imagine not knowing whether or not you have a chronic condition or not. That reminds me of when my dog had pneumonia but the vet predicted it to be pancreatitis. I was reeling and stressed and was overthinking for the longest even after his diagnosis. Jake sounds so rude and dismissive just because he has diagnosed illness but cant give Ethan leeway either. It’s unfair to those trying to find answers too. If i was stressing and talking about my health and some basically told me to stfu, i’d be offended and hurt. He’s hurting others who even if they are hypochondriacs, are worried about their health. Imagine if Ethan (god forbid) actually got exams done and had cancer instead of lupus. It’d be soooo messed up of Jake to make a whole video nitpicking.
Thanks for covering this. I was experiencing a lot of pain that was debilitating and got some results similar to Ethan. Turns out I was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis and fibromyalgia. I totally relate to the way Ethan approached this and handled this. I remember googling my ANA and Titer exactly like that.
literally same!! tried not to laugh out loud as i watched the clip as i had flashbacks to my junior year in hs doing the same thing. i think ppl forget how hard chronic illness diagnoses are to get. hope you have many good health days ahead of you, as someone who also has fibromyalgia i know it’s rough but sending u good vibes
@@izz977 aww thanks so much! You too!
i’m revisiting this a year later and i’ve also noticed that Jake seems to deem eczema as this autoimmune disease that just is this little baby itchy spot and also down play the struggles of people with chronic and severe eczema. Something he criticizes ethan for. Eczema is an autoimmune disease and destroys your body, your mental health, and can cause you so many problems internal as well as external.
As someone who has spent years trying to get myself diagnosed, I would be thrilled to get a diagnosis! I feel like Jake is gatekeeping this health scares and it makes me upset.
As someone with a rare chronic illness myself it’s easy to forget that “healthy” people don’t have the medical information of those of us who are ill. I don’t like how much Jake is nitpicking Ethan for not pronouncing things correctly or knowing every statistic when all Ethan is doing is voices his concerns. For someone with a long history of medical issues, a positive/negative test can just be another step in our health journey. But for someone who hasn’t dealt with things like this before, it can be terrifying. I don’t like it when people judge others for not having as much knowledge on something that is brand new to them. Instead of accusing Ethan of faking, Jake could nicely explain why these things are wrong if he’s so concerned about misinformation. But it seems to me Jake’s more concerned with catching Ethan in a lie than actually helping his audience.
I’ll also add that while Jake claims Ethan “wants lupus” I’d say that this is a very normal thing when having undiagnosed health issues. A label to your health concerns can be a very comforting thing. Ethan latching onto Lupus as a diagnosis is a very normal thing for someone with health concerns to do. When you’re sick you want to have an explanation for why and a plan for the future. I relate to Ethan in this video so much on that front.
I see Jake as having a "ptsd" episode. He's seeing people validate Ethan's symptoms even if not medically correct. But for Jake, literally for his whole life, has been told 'you're doing to much' or 'you're playing it up' about his real diagnosis.
I just feel that it triggered him in a way that of 'how dare they believe and listen to Ethan and not me when I was at peak illness'.
It really hit him and hurt him mentally that he "retaliated"
Jake begged h3 for a job and was told no. I can't see his video as anything other than a cynical hit piece. I unsubbed because it was so blatantly obvious Jake just had an axe to grind.
@@Char00000 he’s become so negative and taking things wayy too serious
I wouldn’t label that as PTSD. But I think you’re right that he may be resentful about the support Ethan is getting at even the prospect of him having an illness without an official diagnosis. But as someone who used to be a fan of Jake, he talked about how hard it was being told he was faking and playing his illness up… is that not what this video is? Shaming health anxiety, accusing someone of faking illness for money, and discouraging self advocating and doing research regarding your own healthcare? Getting diagnosed is a long process and he of all people should understand that it’s easy to have your issues brushed under the rug by professionals
@@laurens3400 Yeah I couldn't think of the right work other then ptsd. Never been good with words. 😑
@Trackstar48642 as someone with PTSD, super appreciated you putting it quotation marks when you couldn't find a better word since it made it clear you were using it as shorthand for a point instead of a diagnosis. ❤
I’ve liked jake in the past, but I almost get the feeling that he’s gatekeeping illness to an extent 💀
Yea, I used to watch some of his videos but he always had came off as a know-it-all 🤦♀️
@@cyb3r.punk13that and his content seems so lazy the more I watch it. It isn’t real commentary. It’s him reacting to stuff like a Shane Dawson video and occasionally making childish jokes that have already been told a thousand times lol
@@laurens3400 😭I remember finding his channel because of his Shane videos and then when I’d watch his other Shane ones they were like copy and paste
It's really gross how Jake has an expectation that Ethan should have doctor level knowledge of these illnesses. It's awful how patients can get their blood test results before you see your doctor. I know I've gotten my results and gone down the google rabbit hole, which just increases anxiety.
I think the only valid criticism is that Ethan spread information that was only based on Chat GPT. I understand googling and trying to use Chat GPT but he shouldn’t have acted as if it was very likely that he had Lupus for weeks when that wasn’t based on what his doctor had told him.
I am currently in the process of being tested for a autoimmune disease and the fact is what Ethan went through is real. Personally I’m trying not to talk about it too much but I definitely related to how he was feeling.
But also it pissed me off that when he’s diagnosed with eczema it’s seen as nothing. I used to get eczema around my eyes constantly to the point that I got horrible headaches and my eyes would be so swollen I couldn’t see. Eczema can definitely make you worried you have something much worse when it’s on your face (not to mention it can be a symptom of something worse).
As a longtime H3 fan (back in the commentary days), they’ve always had a small yet vocal minority of rabid fans; however, I feel like there is plenty of criticism levied against H3 within the fandom itself. Maybe not as much as there should be, but there is. Just look at the subreddit from time to time.
The Jake Doolittle video is a disingenuous hit piece, in my opinion. I acknowledge my inherent bias as an H3 fan, though. I won’t defend Ethan for everything or even most things, but I believe Jake’s entire video is in bad faith, incredibly pedantic, and borderline lacking empathy.
Health anxiety is real. I think it’s fair to criticize Ethan for using ChatGPT or Googling symptoms. That’s an unhealthy symptom of health anxiety, though. Voicing his concerns about his health on his own podcast doesn’t seem exactly like profiting off of illness, though.
It’s genuinely such a nothing burger argument in my opinion. I’m open to having my mind changed, of course, but I can’t take Jake seriously. It’s a mean spirited video. It’s very much giving nickisnotgreen or ethanisonline. This new genre of commentary- like most before it- is completely pointless.
Yeah. I think the biggest argument Jake feasibly has is Ethan being a little bit insensitive with how he’s talking about it, but that’s…not a new thing, and I feel like the majority understands where he comes from. And he generally comes from a genuine place. He’s not trying to deceive. He’s a guy. Some parts of him cause issue. Others don’t. That’s how it just be.
The funny thing about those last two commentary channels is I’m pretty sure they’re friends with Jake and they run in the same circles, so its a bit of a birds of a feather moment
I don’t care for either of them but this isn’t the first video I’ve seen from Jake that just felt like a personal attack
I agree but I have to push back a little with the ethanisonline comparison, because the content they’re reacting to is inherently different. Ethan (not Klein) reacts to reactionary right wing ghouls that spew things that ARE aggravating, which makes his negativity and self righteousness make sense. Jake’s content is bitter edgelord masquerading as a righteous force for Good, regardless of the content he’s reacting to. There’s a stark disconnect between the wholesome persona he wants to portray and the commentary he provides, and it’s put on full blast in his latest video.
@@Naveen-tx8be Fair point. I suppose my comparison was more regarding the holier-than-thou persona. While I agree and align with ethanisonline, I usually find him to be as pompous as nickisnotgreen and Jake Doolittle.
Ethan's process was extremely, extremely typical of adults getting diagnosed! I can't imagine how hard it was for Jake to go through his diagnosis at 12--I'm in no way trying to minimize his experience or say one is worse than the other, just that the emotional process looks completely different when it's a child being told things by adults, vs when you are the adult who has to make all of the decisions. Most adults will never speak with a rheumatologist in their life! The initial appointments are terrifying, and they *feel* like a diagnosis, even though Jake rightly points out that they're just access to the people who can give a diagnosis. If you've been seeing a rheumatologist for almost as long as you can remember, it probably doesn't occur to you the mental/emotional load it takes to be an adult scheduling that appointment knowing there is a chance that you're going to find out your life is about to change in terrifying ways, or even end.
It's a very different experience to getting diagnosed as a child. I'm not at all interested in playing oppression olympics or calling one worse than the other, but you respond very differently as a child than you do as an adult, and claiming that one kind of response is valid and the other kind of response is manipulative and fraudulent is very damaging. Ethan responded the way a lot of chronically ill adults respond to the beginnings of our diagnosis journey. Maybe he turns out to be a healthy able-bodied person, or maybe he actually has an illness (which is, frankly, *likely* given that his mother has chronic illnesses with genetic components, like ulcerative colitis) and this is just the beginning of his misdiagnosis journey (you know, that same misdiagnosis journey that the two experts described experiencing firsthand).
Very well written. & true!
i’ve been diagnosed with chronic conditions as a child and as an adult, and you are so right. the way they mentally affected me was completely different.
the referral to a rheumatologist with the knowledge i had markers for lupus happened as an adult and it did feel like a diagnosis. I was ultimately told im a carrier of lupus and have fibromyalgia by that specialist.
going to a bunch of doctors that i didn’t really understand or like talking to as a twelve year old was very very different. i was so sick i just wanted to lay in bed, i didn’t really care about a diagnosis because id seen so many doctors with no answers, and was very hopeless. I was diagnosed and treated for endometriosis at like 15? and the treatment only kind of helped so it wasn’t exciting at all. (at this point im just getting a hysterectomy)
as an adult getting diagnosed with fibromyalgia, eds, and pots, it was sooooo exciting to get answers and treatments. i can understand why jake wouldn’t view a lupus diagnosis as something exciting, but he really needs to practice more empathy in this situation.
As a viewer of both Jake & H3, I agree with some of the points that Jake said and do agree with Adam that some was just straight up nit picky. My only true problem with the nit picky stuff is I don’t think people should listen to AI in general. Using it for a diagnosis can become dangerous in a way but I do understand why Ethan would be worried and constantly checking. So overall the video should have been better structured and more coherent but at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The chat gpt thing is a running bit- it’s not supposed to be taken seriously. I think the root of the problem lies in the lack of transparency and explanation on the doctors part. If doctors don’t take the time to explain WHY Ethan should/shouldn’t be worried about his results, then obviously he’s gonna google things. He’s a content creator and ChatGPT is peak content.
@@Naveen-tx8bejake either doesn’t know its a bit or is purposely twisting it to prove his point. from jakes video and the clips he chose, it’s impossible to read them as jokes.
if it makes you feel any better, Ethan explained the chatGPT thing was just a bit.
Hot take: I don’t like how *either* of them handled this. Jake is definitely *more* in the wrong, but both of them give me the ick with the way they talk about certain things.
Being excited for a diagnosis is something people who haven't been gaslight by medical professionals just don't understand. I've had years battling a chronic illness with years and years of neurological testing (iykyk) and false positive lupus results, positive ana, negative ana, bizarre yet debilitating symptoms, and as strange as it sounds, getting a diagnosis is actually exciting because it's a step in the treatment process. I wanted to say so much more but just had to put my two cents in about a part of chronic illness most people don't understand...
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This is accurate it's not that you want to be sick but testing negative doesn't make the symptoms go away.
This guy is over the top. Why are you watching H3 for education. This is clearly a conversation about being worried about health issues. Some people, no matter how much info doctors give them are still going to be nervous and want to do their own research for peace of mind. Ethan is being shamed for having anxiety and being excited to have answers like anyone would. I knew something was wrong with me my entire life and when I got my diagnosis, yeah I was excited to change my life for the better. This guy sounds butt hurt that he didn't get the same support for his own issues.
The H3 people telling him he is insane for this is absolutely correct. He is reaching so hard. He NEVER said he had those medical illnesses. He said he was scared he did, and was getting tests. He’s only stressing himself out it’s not malicious like this loser is trying to make it out to be. It’s insane.
Also AB never called Jake insane, he said that releasing the video would be an insane thing to do. Which Jake twisted it into “AB called ME insane”
@@liesbeneathoureyes sounds like something this dude would do lol
I was going through very similar health questions as Ethan at the same time. It was really nice seeing health anxiety talked about so in depth by Ethan and in a way that helped take some of the fear away. I’ve also really enjoyed jakes videos on disability, but I think he let his own “fallen fan” standing influence his opinions
As someone who has a chronic illness, I think they’re both kinda in the wrong but it doesn’t even matter that much. From what I’ve seen from Jake, he tends to be a bit more speculative and this time it got him into trouble. I initially kind of got where he was coming from because I don’t think Ethan speaks about his health with the most tact. Ethan appears to have some health anxiety and he’s hanging on to anything that might lead to a diagnosis. I get it - the diagnosis process is SO frustrating and exhausting and I had similar conversations with my friends, where I clung to a potential diagnosis. Overall, I think that Ethan could be a little more considerate when he speaks about his health (e.g., not saying he has something he’s not medically diagnosed with, speaking with more kindness to people who are offering suggestions or their experiences) but Jake shouldn’t have made the video. His feelings are valid but they shouldn’t have made their way to RUclips.
I agree
I don’t know if I would say his feelings are valid, Jake seemed to be genuinely angry at Ethan for looking into what he could have on stream, given that ya know, his health has been declining on stream for months and his own doctor is obviously looking for a reason for his symptoms. And also seemed to be upset he even dare think he could have lupus when he “only” has gerd and eczema symptoms (which in itself is fucked because both of those chronic illnesses can also be life threatening/devastating)
As someone who is chronically ill and has been my whole life, who only just got a confirmed diagnosis in my 30s (EDS and Silk Road Disease), I think Ethan talking about his health concerns is fine
I don’t like a lot of the things he’s done in the past, but him relating how his own health concerns have made HIM feel to people talking about struggling with their own health is just how people relate to things a lot, ESPECIALLY when it comes to jokes about it, because anything health-related IS scary 🤷