This is *easily* one of my favorite episodes of the later seasons. The "Five Little Pigs" comparison is appropriate as not only does it have similar beats, but I feel like it really does carry the same air of *tragedy* with it, while also expanding the material in meaningfull ways that , in my opinion, actually "complete" the original work. Almost like Agatha Christie "hid" the framework for one more mystery in her final work with the loose end of Dolly's daughter that was only "uncovered" years later with this adaptation. Which is quite fitting to be honest with the themes of the story. Literally the only thing that makes this movie worse than its predecessor is the fact that , like you said, Celia is so much more one-dimenional compared to Marie; ironically making us care more about the villain than one of the inciting characters of the story. If it wasn't for that, I feel like this really would be *equal* to Five Little Pigs as arguibly the *best* Suchet adaptation. Still, this is an overall solid adaptation and a good movie on its own in my opinion.
Agreed. I'm usually not a fan of inaccurate adaptations, but this one was much muuuch better than the book. I found it very emotional, whilst the book was just dull and easy to guess. FLP is definitely the best episode. I watched it before I read the book and I think I like it even better. I didn't think C. In the ECR film was any more bland than most of Christie's other young ladies (Carla in FLP, for instance). In the books they tend to be less interesting than other characters as well.
Any chance you'll cover Evil Under the Sun or Death on the Nile soon Both of the Ustinov adaptations of those stories star the late, great Dame Maggie Smith
Yes. Someday I will get around to DotN, and I have a script written for a EUtS video. I'd hoped to do EUtS before the end of this year, but it might take a little longer.
personally, this is my favorite episode in the last season of Poirot, even though it has differences with the novel it's based upon; and i admit i really enjoyed detective Inspector Beale (played by Vincent Regan) so much that i wish he appeared more. Will you talk about "Dead Man's Folly" too someday?
I’ve watched this video several times (you have a lovely voice and I enjoy listening to you). IMO the problem with the two characters may not be the writing but the acting. The young actress playing the murderer just seems to be a better actress.
I remember not enjoying Elephants Can Remember the first time, bar Ariadne Oliver's scenes, but on a rewatch I thought it was pretty good. But one thing that always stuck with me from that first watch, was in the scene where Poirot is talking with Zelie in Paris, and there's this moment which to me, hinted at him having a brother. Just something about how the lines were delivered just makes that idea stick with me
That's the plan, although it might take me a while to finish it. I've got something else I'm working on. But the next AC video will be Secret Adversary. :)
I love your videos on the Poirot series. Can you analyze The Adventure of the Italian Nobleman next? I've always found that story quite weird in the Sucher series but have never read the book, so I have no frame of reference for it.
I know 5 Little Pigs is your favourite Suchet, is it going to get its own episode? It really is VERY good, the casting was great for that episode(mostly lol)
Another interesting comparison. This adaptation is also one of my most favorite, and I agree Celia was a little flat and did not have to be. I wonder if it was because they spent so much energy on Marie? They probably wanted to purposely create the contrast, but it also reflects the two sisters? Perhaps the crazy sister was the more interesting one? Maybe things would have turned out differently if the Col had chosen the more interesting sister? Again flipping back to sexist views. Of course this one for me is another triumph of Zoe Wanamaker as Ariadne Oliver. Would have really loved it if Ms Oliver had beaten Poirot for once. But of course Christie created the character to point out her own weaknesses and down play some of her sucessess. .
Ngl, kind of a bait-and-switch tease with that Alone comparison, Miles. Nobody enjoys that kind of a disappointment, and I feel like your videos are above it. If you'd just mentioned Alone, and done the hard pass, I'd say it's your usual wry sense of humor; it's the use of the thumbnail *and* title too that leaves a bad taste. Moving past that, Elephants is one of my favorite episodes of Suchet's Poirot. It's opening is one of the most skillfully executed hooks ever put to a mystery and the production values throughout are so cinematic, you'd hardly be able to tell this was made for television. I feel like the arguments about Celia's blandness are overstated; I still found her an interesting enough character to follow (although admittedly that could just be my fondness for Vanessa Kirby) even if she doesn't have much agency, but then again, you had the book character to compare to so you may very well be right. From what you've said, it definitely feels like she's been simplified to how one would expect a woman in her position in the 1930s would react to theses circumstances all for the sake of streamlining the narrative. Regardless, it's still a perennial favorite. Funny how much it and 5 Little Pigs have in common. Both are narratively similar, highly cinematic, and extremely enjoyable episodes of the Suchet series.
Dear miles I am working on a and then there were none adaptation but I am have some changes in it mainly with the characters and I just wanted to hear some of your opinions. First massive changes is I have changed it form 10 little soldiers to 12 little soldiers. As in the movie adaptation they have replaced Mr marston and miss brent were replaced with an entertainer and a actresses but hear I wanted to use them as additions. For the actresses I kept the 1965 name ilona Bergen. I'll kept her as a some what friendly but sassy women. She is friendly to everyone but three people the rogers who she deemed beneath her as they are sevrats and miss brent mainly because of how prudish she is and finding our what her murder actually was. Another thing was that she seemingly developed a close friendship with Vera as they are the only two women on the island and they both don't like miss brent, I planned for her to die after Armstrong as when lombard and blore go out to look for him Vera and ilona stay locked in there rooms the murder gose threw the window shoots her using a pillow to silence it and leaves. Last her murder, here ilona really loved her husband but his husband also had a younger borther who was very very "difficulted" ilona would love to be rid of him but her husband can't abandon his borther, but one day while her husband is out his borther has medical emergency all ilona has to do is call an ambulance to save his life but she chose not to believing it was for the best, and her husband form grief of the death of his little borther kills himself. The entertainer I went with the 1965 name Micheal raven but unlike 1965 he actually a very nice person and regrets what he did like macarthur, here his victim is his secret gay lover who during a druken misadventure dies, before macarthur body is found him and the judge have an a conversation where raven confess to what he did this will suppose to show that there is no of the time bias as to why the judge chose these 11 people to die other then the fact that they are responsible for someone's death, his body is found after Macarthur's when Rogers ask how many will be for dinner to night blore response 8 with Lombard coming down correct that there is 7. The will also be a something coming up with raven and mister rogers but I'll talk about that later Mr marston, general macarthur and the judge are relatively the same with limited changes the only real ones are marston victims are two children as he is supposed to be the worst of the worst and that he would try and fail to chat up Vera and ilona. The rogers manger change is mrs rogers is still alot more painky and wants to leave the island. Mr rogers is not abusive at all the closest we get is when there names are called mrs rogers gose into a massive panic and her husband part losing his temper form her nagging and to try and claims her down she only faints after Mr Marston dies and that's when lombard and blore lift her on the couch and miss brent checks on her when they put his body away. After the doctor gives her the medicine ethal bleeds for thomas to stay with her but he has to go downstairs to clean the lounge room. After ethal dies thomas still try's to go on severing the guest by putting on a brave face and most of the guest are uncaring but raven who understands what its like to moron someone but not be able to show. As in the past ethal was originally going to be married to an abusive man but fell in love and ran away with thomas, and thomas wanting to be a good husband to ethal tries to give her a nice life but ends up being stuck in severest until miss Bardy offers to leave them something in her will and this is the moment he has been waiting for a chance to finally give ethal the life she deserves, he tells the idea to ethal and she agrees from her own will so while thomas with holds the medicine ethal makes sure no one can interfere but it comes back to haunt as at the time she didn't think what they were doing was murder but as time went on the guilty got to her, thomas is left serving his final day on the island with multiple thoughts that one of the last things he did to his wife was hit and dismissed her and that if he stayed with her he could have saved her life in fact if he never did what he did to try and save her form this terrible life, it wouldn't have killed her. Emily brent is still the same disapproving spinster but her crime has also been added as her borther was struggling with substance abuse which was all the fault of his wife as she didn't conform to her standard I mean the lord standards but let's his son move in with her and Beatrice who is lucky the same ages as him as the three of them come very close in a Mother children kind of way she finds out that her nephew also suffers form substance abuse and that he got Beatrice pergant as they both tried to get help form her but instead she threw them out on the streets where instead of suicide they die form starvation or hypothermia, we later lean while miss brent was a young women living in India with her family she fell in love with an Indian man and wanted to marry him but her father disapproved for religious reasons so she didn't and they moved back to England where she lived out her days alone and then when her nephew and Beatrice admitted to breaking the rules but want her help for a happy ending but she wasn't going to give it to them as why should she follow the rule and get no happy ending and they break them and get there's. Doctor Armstrong will be alot more like in 2015 all I got to say. William blore only real change could be making him a bit younger blame brun gorman and the fact that his victim was executed on his false evidence where he thought it would just send him to prison. Lombard is less rasict and didn't leave the African men to die because of the fact that they were natives but because he is just a selfish asswhole who was put in a dryer situation and chose to save himself also he has a much 2015 relationship with Vera. Vera claythorne is also alot like her 2015 she is still a panicking mess but still keep her compser, she figures out alot of the trick both putting suspicion on her, she did actually like cryil but was still willing to kill him, and I still keep that Vera is fast I will also keep the book the cryil was very sick. Thank you for making it this far love your video also new video ideas is top 10 best forgin agatha christie adaptation or when a TV character was better than there book
Wow! You've really put a lot of thought into this. Sounds like some of the relatively minor characters, like Rogers, have been given a lot of depth. Is this a screenplay or stage play or something else? I do caution you to stay apprised of copyright laws as you make creative choices. And Then There Were None doesn't come into the public domain until 2035, and only in the United States. You also might want to stay away from names like Ilona Bergen, since her character was created specifically for the 1965 film, and who knows when that copyright expires. But if this is just for your own creative practice and not to make money, then go with whatever your heart tells you! I couldn't quite follow all the details, but if you have a treatment or draft, I'll be happy to read it. You can contact me through my website, LedouxMysteries.com. Thanks for sharing here!
Dear miles Thank you very much for your comment I am a big fan. First of all sorry for the messy wirting I literally saw video and I have gotten to ask you about how I would change attwn and I was wirting 10x speed in hopes you would see it. 2. This is a Web comic for personal (yeah I was being why to kind by telling myself it's an adaptation) and yes I did check to make sure I would be a okay under copyright laws since I can panic at litrely anything I mean I saw your comment and went oh no someone I admire thinks I am dumass..... I mean they wouldn't be worng but you still want to make a good impression Anyway getting of ponit thank you for listening to the mad rambling of an even crazer kid 😊
10:24 "Making the only young women in the story with any personality into the character we are supposed to hate, is kind of sexist" Why is that sexist? Letting women play all kinds of roles is surely the least sexist thing to do? Are you of the opinion that only old men should be given the prestigious roles of villains? I rather like your video essays and often agrees with your conclusions, but this one hit me in the wrong place. I am of the opinion that both Christies works and the adaptations are portraying women in a good light compared to contemporary norms while still displaying the unfair standards held at the time of the stories. I might have misunderstood what you meant, in that case, please explain what you did mean with the above quote!
I always wondered whether Postern of Fate, and A Passenger to Frankfurt were published because AC insisted, or the publishers knew they would make money. After all, her fans would buy a new Agatha Christie when it came out. I know I did. They are both completely confusing. I don't think they tarnished the legend, but they demonstrated that the great lady's gifts, not to say her mind, were slipping.
This is *easily* one of my favorite episodes of the later seasons. The "Five Little Pigs" comparison is appropriate as not only does it have similar beats, but I feel like it really does carry the same air of *tragedy* with it, while also expanding the material in meaningfull ways that , in my opinion, actually "complete" the original work. Almost like Agatha Christie "hid" the framework for one more mystery in her final work with the loose end of Dolly's daughter that was only "uncovered" years later with this adaptation. Which is quite fitting to be honest with the themes of the story.
Literally the only thing that makes this movie worse than its predecessor is the fact that , like you said, Celia is so much more one-dimenional compared to Marie; ironically making us care more about the villain than one of the inciting characters of the story.
If it wasn't for that, I feel like this really would be *equal* to Five Little Pigs as arguibly the *best* Suchet adaptation.
Still, this is an overall solid adaptation and a good movie on its own in my opinion.
Agreed. I'm usually not a fan of inaccurate adaptations, but this one was much muuuch better than the book. I found it very emotional, whilst the book was just dull and easy to guess.
FLP is definitely the best episode. I watched it before I read the book and I think I like it even better.
I didn't think C. In the ECR film was any more bland than most of Christie's other young ladies (Carla in FLP, for instance). In the books they tend to be less interesting than other characters as well.
Great review
Any chance you'll cover Evil Under the Sun or Death on the Nile soon Both of the Ustinov adaptations of those stories star the late, great Dame Maggie Smith
Yes. Someday I will get around to DotN, and I have a script written for a EUtS video. I'd hoped to do EUtS before the end of this year, but it might take a little longer.
Oh- please do!
DOTN and EUTS have several similarities in plot - in certain ways, they feel like the same story. I did enjoy both, however.
personally, this is my favorite episode in the last season of Poirot, even though it has differences with the novel it's based upon; and i admit i really enjoyed detective Inspector Beale (played by Vincent Regan) so much that i wish he appeared more.
Will you talk about "Dead Man's Folly" too someday?
I think so! :)
@@MysteryMiles I'm looking forward to it :)
Well done as usual. Did you know the next BBC Christie adaptation will be Toward Zero. Can't wait to here your take on it when it's out. 👏🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾
Yes, I'm really looking forward to it!
Oooh, didn't know that, how lovely!
I’ve watched this video several times (you have a lovely voice and I enjoy listening to you). IMO the problem with the two characters may not be the writing but the acting. The young actress playing the murderer just seems to be a better actress.
That's possible!
I remember not enjoying Elephants Can Remember the first time, bar Ariadne Oliver's scenes, but on a rewatch I thought it was pretty good. But one thing that always stuck with me from that first watch, was in the scene where Poirot is talking with Zelie in Paris, and there's this moment which to me, hinted at him having a brother. Just something about how the lines were delivered just makes that idea stick with me
Wait, Miles, are you saying that…”The Secret Adversary”, my favourite Tommy and Tuppence mystery is finally getting a video? 😀
That's the plan, although it might take me a while to finish it. I've got something else I'm working on. But the next AC video will be Secret Adversary. :)
@@MysteryMiles Yes! I love Tommy and Tuppence.
I love your videos on the Poirot series. Can you analyze The Adventure of the Italian Nobleman next? I've always found that story quite weird in the Sucher series but have never read the book, so I have no frame of reference for it.
Thanks! Glad to have you here! I'll add Italian Nobleman to the list!
I know 5 Little Pigs is your favourite Suchet, is it going to get its own episode? It really is VERY good, the casting was great for that episode(mostly lol)
There have been a lot of requests for it, so yes, I think I am going to give it its own video someday.
@MysteryMiles that would be wonderful! It's my favorite as well.
Eastern Horror man. It'll completely destroy you if you're not careful. Now I've GOT to check out Alone.
Another interesting comparison. This adaptation is also one of my most favorite, and I agree Celia was a little flat and did not have to be. I wonder if it was because they spent so much energy on Marie? They probably wanted to purposely create the contrast, but it also reflects the two sisters? Perhaps the crazy sister was the more interesting one? Maybe things would have turned out differently if the Col had chosen the more interesting sister? Again flipping back to sexist views. Of course this one for me is another triumph of Zoe Wanamaker as Ariadne Oliver. Would have really loved it if Ms Oliver had beaten Poirot for once. But of course Christie created the character to point out her own weaknesses and down play some of her sucessess. .
I hadn't considered how underwritten Ariadne's goddaughter is in the adaptation, probably because I only focus on the detectives and puzzle 😂
Ngl, kind of a bait-and-switch tease with that Alone comparison, Miles. Nobody enjoys that kind of a disappointment, and I feel like your videos are above it. If you'd just mentioned Alone, and done the hard pass, I'd say it's your usual wry sense of humor; it's the use of the thumbnail *and* title too that leaves a bad taste.
Moving past that, Elephants is one of my favorite episodes of Suchet's Poirot. It's opening is one of the most skillfully executed hooks ever put to a mystery and the production values throughout are so cinematic, you'd hardly be able to tell this was made for television. I feel like the arguments about Celia's blandness are overstated; I still found her an interesting enough character to follow (although admittedly that could just be my fondness for Vanessa Kirby) even if she doesn't have much agency, but then again, you had the book character to compare to so you may very well be right. From what you've said, it definitely feels like she's been simplified to how one would expect a woman in her position in the 1930s would react to theses circumstances all for the sake of streamlining the narrative.
Regardless, it's still a perennial favorite. Funny how much it and 5 Little Pigs have in common. Both are narratively similar, highly cinematic, and extremely enjoyable episodes of the Suchet series.
You're right, sorry about being misleading. I was hoping the video description would avoid any disappointment.
@@MysteryMiles It's cool, I just wanted to address that. I still think your review was really good and up to your normal high standards.
Dear miles
I am working on a and then there were none adaptation but I am have some changes in it mainly with the characters and I just wanted to hear some of your opinions.
First massive changes is I have changed it form 10 little soldiers to 12 little soldiers. As in the movie adaptation they have replaced Mr marston and miss brent were replaced with an entertainer and a actresses but hear I wanted to use them as additions.
For the actresses I kept the 1965 name ilona Bergen. I'll kept her as a some what friendly but sassy women. She is friendly to everyone but three people the rogers who she deemed beneath her as they are sevrats and miss brent mainly because of how prudish she is and finding our what her murder actually was. Another thing was that she seemingly developed a close friendship with Vera as they are the only two women on the island and they both don't like miss brent, I planned for her to die after Armstrong as when lombard and blore go out to look for him Vera and ilona stay locked in there rooms the murder gose threw the window shoots her using a pillow to silence it and leaves. Last her murder, here ilona really loved her husband but his husband also had a younger borther who was very very "difficulted" ilona would love to be rid of him but her husband can't abandon his borther, but one day while her husband is out his borther has medical emergency all ilona has to do is call an ambulance to save his life but she chose not to believing it was for the best, and her husband form grief of the death of his little borther kills himself.
The entertainer I went with the 1965 name Micheal raven but unlike 1965 he actually a very nice person and regrets what he did like macarthur, here his victim is his secret gay lover who during a druken misadventure dies, before macarthur body is found him and the judge have an a conversation where raven confess to what he did this will suppose to show that there is no of the time bias as to why the judge chose these 11 people to die other then the fact that they are responsible for someone's death, his body is found after Macarthur's when Rogers ask how many will be for dinner to night blore response 8 with Lombard coming down correct that there is 7. The will also be a something coming up with raven and mister rogers but I'll talk about that later
Mr marston, general macarthur and the judge are relatively the same with limited changes the only real ones are marston victims are two children as he is supposed to be the worst of the worst and that he would try and fail to chat up Vera and ilona.
The rogers manger change is mrs rogers is still alot more painky and wants to leave the island. Mr rogers is not abusive at all the closest we get is when there names are called mrs rogers gose into a massive panic and her husband part losing his temper form her nagging and to try and claims her down she only faints after Mr Marston dies and that's when lombard and blore lift her on the couch and miss brent checks on her when they put his body away. After the doctor gives her the medicine ethal bleeds for thomas to stay with her but he has to go downstairs to clean the lounge room. After ethal dies thomas still try's to go on severing the guest by putting on a brave face and most of the guest are uncaring but raven who understands what its like to moron someone but not be able to show. As in the past ethal was originally going to be married to an abusive man but fell in love and ran away with thomas, and thomas wanting to be a good husband to ethal tries to give her a nice life but ends up being stuck in severest until miss Bardy offers to leave them something in her will and this is the moment he has been waiting for a chance to finally give ethal the life she deserves, he tells the idea to ethal and she agrees from her own will so while thomas with holds the medicine ethal makes sure no one can interfere but it comes back to haunt as at the time she didn't think what they were doing was murder but as time went on the guilty got to her, thomas is left serving his final day on the island with multiple thoughts that one of the last things he did to his wife was hit and dismissed her and that if he stayed with her he could have saved her life in fact if he never did what he did to try and save her form this terrible life, it wouldn't have killed her.
Emily brent is still the same disapproving spinster but her crime has also been added as her borther was struggling with substance abuse which was all the fault of his wife as she didn't conform to her standard I mean the lord standards but let's his son move in with her and Beatrice who is lucky the same ages as him as the three of them come very close in a Mother children kind of way she finds out that her nephew also suffers form substance abuse and that he got Beatrice pergant as they both tried to get help form her but instead she threw them out on the streets where instead of suicide they die form starvation or hypothermia, we later lean while miss brent was a young women living in India with her family she fell in love with an Indian man and wanted to marry him but her father disapproved for religious reasons so she didn't and they moved back to England where she lived out her days alone and then when her nephew and Beatrice admitted to breaking the rules but want her help for a happy ending but she wasn't going to give it to them as why should she follow the rule and get no happy ending and they break them and get there's.
Doctor Armstrong will be alot more like in 2015 all I got to say.
William blore only real change could be making him a bit younger blame brun gorman and the fact that his victim was executed on his false evidence where he thought it would just send him to prison.
Lombard is less rasict and didn't leave the African men to die because of the fact that they were natives but because he is just a selfish asswhole who was put in a dryer situation and chose to save himself also he has a much 2015 relationship with Vera.
Vera claythorne is also alot like her 2015 she is still a panicking mess but still keep her compser, she figures out alot of the trick both putting suspicion on her, she did actually like cryil but was still willing to kill him, and I still keep that Vera is fast I will also keep the book the cryil was very sick.
Thank you for making it this far love your video also new video ideas is top 10 best forgin agatha christie adaptation or when a TV character was better than there book
Wow! You've really put a lot of thought into this. Sounds like some of the relatively minor characters, like Rogers, have been given a lot of depth. Is this a screenplay or stage play or something else? I do caution you to stay apprised of copyright laws as you make creative choices. And Then There Were None doesn't come into the public domain until 2035, and only in the United States. You also might want to stay away from names like Ilona Bergen, since her character was created specifically for the 1965 film, and who knows when that copyright expires. But if this is just for your own creative practice and not to make money, then go with whatever your heart tells you! I couldn't quite follow all the details, but if you have a treatment or draft, I'll be happy to read it. You can contact me through my website, LedouxMysteries.com. Thanks for sharing here!
Dear miles
Thank you very much for your comment I am a big fan.
First of all sorry for the messy wirting I literally saw video and I have gotten to ask you about how I would change attwn and I was wirting 10x speed in hopes you would see it.
2. This is a Web comic for personal (yeah I was being why to kind by telling myself it's an adaptation) and yes I did check to make sure I would be a okay under copyright laws since I can panic at litrely anything I mean I saw your comment and went oh no someone I admire thinks I am dumass..... I mean they wouldn't be worng but you still want to make a good impression
Anyway getting of ponit thank you for listening to the mad rambling of an even crazer kid 😊
@@Iam8really5mad No problem! Best of luck!
I really shouldn't be watching the thai horror this late at night loololol.
A nice way to start the Halloween season
all 5 seconds of it
10:24 "Making the only young women in the story with any personality into the character we are supposed to hate, is kind of sexist" Why is that sexist? Letting women play all kinds of roles is surely the least sexist thing to do? Are you of the opinion that only old men should be given the prestigious roles of villains? I rather like your video essays and often agrees with your conclusions, but this one hit me in the wrong place. I am of the opinion that both Christies works and the adaptations are portraying women in a good light compared to contemporary norms while still displaying the unfair standards held at the time of the stories. I might have misunderstood what you meant, in that case, please explain what you did mean with the above quote!
I always wondered whether Postern of Fate, and A Passenger to Frankfurt were published because AC insisted, or the publishers knew they would make money. After all, her fans would buy a new Agatha Christie when it came out. I know I did. They are both completely confusing. I don't think they tarnished the legend, but they demonstrated that the great lady's gifts, not to say her mind, were slipping.