Is it just me or do tilt rotors have the same vibe as the folding tri wing ships in star wars like the lamda class shuttle. I cant wait till there are more tilt rotors on the market as i would like an osprey more, especially with the cargo ramp entrance on the back.
Vortex ring state is always a possibility in helicopters as is stall for aeroplanes. All the pilots are trained to identify, avoid and recover from such aerodynamic events.
Leonardo Helicopters is the company, not the name of the aircraft. AW stands for AgustaWestland. This was the company name before they change the name to Leonardo. All Leonardo helicopters start with "AW." AW119, AW139, AW 169, AW189, AW09... and so on. Also the AW609 is built in Philadelphia, PA. Leonardo's facility is at the Northeast Philadelphia airport, 3050 Red Lion Road. Many lessons learned from the V-22 are incorporated into the AW609. VRS has been extensively flight tested on the AW609 and there is a warning as the aircraft approaches this flight condition. @seththomas3418 is completely correct. The crash rate of V-22s is less than other military aircraft. Unfortunately nothing is risk free. The AW609 is well into it's FAA certification testing. The Boeing 737 issues has the FAA on edge and is slowing many certification activities to ensure the products are safe for the public.
It has turbines. Because they only give axial power to rotate propelles and don't generate any jet thrust, they are usually called turboshafts. You mean turbofans like in a passenger jet.
Maybe Leonardo will make a longer variant of this aircraft in the future. Kinda like how airliners like the A320, 737 or ATR got longer as they got developed.
According to Wikipedia the two engines are mechanically cross-linked so both rotors can be run on a single engine (at reduced performance). It has been rated to be safely flyable on a single engine.
Which is actually a pretty reasonable record for a large naval helicopter. The V-22 has a similar accident rate to the H-60 Blackhawk family, and is significantly safer than the CH-53 Sea Stallion. Naval aviation is dangerous and accidents happen: the V-22 Osprey is not an outlier.
I still have my doubts about the viability of tilt-rotor aircraft. On paper they are a great solution like switchblade/swing wing aircraft but in reality? Far far too messy and complicated to be a safe alternative... I hope I am delightfully proved wrong but after seeing sooooooooo many Osprey crashes and seeing the death toll? Probably not...
You've been proven wrong for a while now. According to the Data provided by the Airforce and confirmed by other sources. Tilt rotors have a crash rate of around 3.1 followed by fixed wing at 5.3, and then Helicopters at 9.5. Give or take. The reality is the media blew the V-22s accidents out of proportion to the point where every uneducated person, thinks Tiltrotors are death traps when they aren't. Case and point the V-280 Valor which was selected to replace the UH-60 Blackhawk achieved and exceeded all operational requirements for the Army even had more than 300 hours of flight time.
I wonder how much Canadair received for using their patent on their aeroplane that did this in the late 1950's? I would rather trust the Fairey Rotodyne concept for this sort of ability.
Of all the complex engineering challenges with this type of aircraft, they bring up VRS, a well known issue with any rotory wing aircraft, seems to be more of a clickbait story that any real engineering challenge or story
As I understand is the oil and gas industry would be major buyers. Landing at an offshore oil-rig requires an aircraft with VTOL capabilities, but some oil rigs are a very long way from land. Having an aircraft with the speed of a plane but the vertical take-off like a helicopter would be advantageous.
Not hard ot do a google search to find out that the rotors are joined by a drive shaft so in the event of a single engine out situation, the other engine will drive the rotor!
@@andreamanera6784-Nope, it is still American designed, American developed, and still American made in Philadelphia USA… it is just a cheap civilian version of the Bell V-280 Valor 😂😂😂
@@andreamanera6784- The fairy tale is that you pathetic Italian sycophants believe that Leonardo had anything to do with the 609 design and development… or even the build… it is still made in America in Philadelphia USA 🤣🤣🤣
Unfortunately, the Americans did not believe in it and would not invest their money in it. The project was bought by Leonardo, which has been investing in it for 20 years.
@@MarcoMenozziPro - Still doesn’t change the fact that it is American designed, American developed, and American made… in Philadelphia USA to be exact…
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Is it just me or do tilt rotors have the same vibe as the folding tri wing ships in star wars like the lamda class shuttle. I cant wait till there are more tilt rotors on the market as i would like an osprey more, especially with the cargo ramp entrance on the back.
Yea. For me it’s how they both have to change configuration to land.
Just seen this fly yesterday in Philadelphia.
You actually saw it?? Awesome!! Back when I was working on a Military Base, I would see Ospreys at least once per week!!
Vortex ring state is always a possibility in helicopters as is stall for aeroplanes. All the pilots are trained to identify, avoid and recover from such aerodynamic events.
And it's still not ready for sale despite it's first *flight* in 2003...
from BA609 to AW609 without progress. The AW139 conceived at the same time as AB139 has come so far.
Lead duck !!!
Are the engines cross-linked so if one engine fails it'll keep both shafts spinning?
They have to be!!
They are, by an internal athwart shaft that connects the two rotors
Leonardo Helicopters is the company, not the name of the aircraft. AW stands for AgustaWestland. This was the company name before they change the name to Leonardo. All Leonardo helicopters start with "AW." AW119, AW139, AW 169, AW189, AW09... and so on.
Also the AW609 is built in Philadelphia, PA. Leonardo's facility is at the Northeast Philadelphia airport, 3050 Red Lion Road.
Many lessons learned from the V-22 are incorporated into the AW609. VRS has been extensively flight tested on the AW609 and there is a warning as the aircraft approaches this flight condition.
@seththomas3418 is completely correct. The crash rate of V-22s is less than other military aircraft. Unfortunately nothing is risk free.
The AW609 is well into it's FAA certification testing. The Boeing 737 issues has the FAA on edge and is slowing many certification activities to ensure the products are safe for the public.
by me AW 609 is built in Italy
Excellent 👌👌🎉🎉
So jet engines or turbine engines instead of rotor blades can reduce or eliminate this problem?
You'd lose yaw.
Harrier could face the same problem, doesn't matter of jet exhaust power or propeller driven.
It has turbines. Because they only give axial power to rotate propelles and don't generate any jet thrust, they are usually called turboshafts. You mean turbofans like in a passenger jet.
Is it possible that with further improvements, this concept could make traditional Helicopters Obsolete?? Probably 20 or so years from now?
Can I get one with compound propellers?
Do you need a commercial helicopter or fixed wing license to fly VTOL? Confusing shii
It’s a shame they didn’t make it longer and add a large rear door for medical use then they could have had a market for au outback
Maybe Leonardo will make a longer variant of this aircraft in the future. Kinda like how airliners like the A320, 737 or ATR got longer as they got developed.
Light Reconnaissance Aircraft or Light utility role
Private Aircraft for a Wealthy Person or a Company Aircraft for Executives??
What if you lose an engine?
According to Wikipedia the two engines are mechanically cross-linked so both rotors can be run on a single engine (at reduced performance). It has been rated to be safely flyable on a single engine.
I want one in my garden.
Since the V-22 became operational in 2007, 12 crashes and several other accidents and incidents have killed a total of 32 people.
Which is actually a pretty reasonable record for a large naval helicopter. The V-22 has a similar accident rate to the H-60 Blackhawk family, and is significantly safer than the CH-53 Sea Stallion. Naval aviation is dangerous and accidents happen: the V-22 Osprey is not an outlier.
I still have my doubts about the viability of tilt-rotor aircraft. On paper they are a great solution like switchblade/swing wing aircraft but in reality? Far far too messy and complicated to be a safe alternative... I hope I am delightfully proved wrong but after seeing sooooooooo many Osprey crashes and seeing the death toll? Probably not...
You've been proven wrong for a while now. According to the Data provided by the Airforce and confirmed by other sources. Tilt rotors have a crash rate of around 3.1 followed by fixed wing at 5.3, and then Helicopters at 9.5.
Give or take.
The reality is the media blew the V-22s accidents out of proportion to the point where every uneducated person, thinks Tiltrotors are death traps when they aren't. Case and point the V-280 Valor which was selected to replace the UH-60 Blackhawk achieved and exceeded all operational requirements for the Army even had more than 300 hours of flight time.
There is no question about viablity the concept works. Osprey is literaslly a safer aircraft than the blackhawk.
Yeah they keep crashing
@@yuv06 like blackhawks
@@jus7addwater no Blackhawks are fined considering the numbers in operation.
This design is from the 80's or so
Considering all airliners today take their design from the Boeing 707, from the 50's...
you had me at turbines
The AW609 has been in development for decades. NO NOT the V22. It started as XV-15.
I wonder how much Canadair received for using their patent on their aeroplane that did this in the late 1950's? I would rather trust the Fairey Rotodyne concept for this sort of ability.
How did FAA approve such aircrafts for civil purposes when it looks disastrous if one engine fails?
All tilt rotor crafts must have common transmission shaft for the emergency case of one engine failed.
Will it crash the same way as osprey ?
If you mom will makes a BJ to pilot.... Yes
Leonardo is the company making the plane not the name of the plane. Its called the “ba609” not the “leonardo”.
You are correct. Leonardo Helicopters is the company. AW stands for AgustaWestland.
if flameout..unless over 2000 ft…dead.cant autorotate,notcenough wing to get airspeed for lannding
The manufacturer says that it can auto-rotate, so I wonder where you're getting the information from saying that it can't?
Of all the complex engineering challenges with this type of aircraft, they bring up VRS, a well known issue with any rotory wing aircraft, seems to be more of a clickbait story that any real engineering challenge or story
Transforming to Sea duck tricky use common sense rear tilt reverse thinking
who's gonna buy it when you can buy a regular vip jet.
As I understand is the oil and gas industry would be major buyers. Landing at an offshore oil-rig requires an aircraft with VTOL capabilities, but some oil rigs are a very long way from land. Having an aircraft with the speed of a plane but the vertical take-off like a helicopter would be advantageous.
The Fairey Rotodyne did it better!
RIP fuel efficiency.
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Is it as much of a flying coffin as the Osprey?
Wrong colour 🎉 also computer control will fix the instability
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The only difference with the V22 is that AW609 does not crash
It did crashed in Italy once while on test sometime ago with fatality too.
@@kittenastrophy5951 was the Airbus modell....
2 Nov. 2015 in Santhia, Vercelli province, Italy. Registered No. N609AG.
Airbus never involves in AW609 or BA609 project.
@@kittenastrophy5951 was a fske copy. It is like eurocopter a 💩 made by slugs eaters
@@kittenastrophy5951
A frenchy copy built by slugs and frogs eaters.
Beter knows like collaborateurplane
It's going to fail.
To fall 😂
Because antigravity is already on the commercial market... the problem till now is that all the sellers of antigravity engines get killed all the time
@@RoDutch cool story bro
@@Subzero-hh8ix facts
@@RoDutchexplain how they work I dare you
Bad engineering design. Lose one rotor. You must learn to crash sideways.
Not hard ot do a google search to find out that the rotors are joined by a drive shaft so in the event of a single engine out situation, the other engine will drive the rotor!
American designed and American developed 🤣🤣🤣
Nope italian made
US started the job, Italian Leonardo is about to finish and get civil certification
@@andreamanera6784-Nope, it is still American designed, American developed, and still American made in Philadelphia USA… it is just a cheap civilian version of the Bell V-280 Valor 😂😂😂
@@AftonAdams you can continue to believe that, if you like, but it's just fairy tales
@@andreamanera6784- The fairy tale is that you pathetic Italian sycophants believe that Leonardo had anything to do with the 609 design and development… or even the build… it is still made in America in Philadelphia USA 🤣🤣🤣
USA President just ordered 10 Leonardo AW 609 Air Force AW 609 ONE
It’s American designed, American developed, and American made… Leonardo, what a joke!
Unfortunately, the Americans did not believe in it and would not invest their money in it. The project was bought by Leonardo, which has been investing in it for 20 years.
@@MarcoMenozziPro - Still doesn’t change the fact that it is American designed, American developed, and American made… in Philadelphia USA to be exact…
@@ianrichards909 You are right about that, but Leonardo is not a joke, it's the owner and this detail is relevant in a capitalist economy.