3 Most common Kimura mistakes I see from beginners (and even some pros!)
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Three common mistakes beginners make when attempting the kimura, and how to fix them.
The kimura is a shoulder lock commonly used in BJJ and MMA. You’ll also see this technique with different names in other martial arts and combat sports, such as the “double wrist lock” in Catch Wrestling. In judo, it is called gyaku ude-garami (reverse shoulder lock)
The objective of the kimura submission is to break an opponent’s shoulder, usually by tearing the rotator cuff and other connective tissue, but it has been known to break the humerus bone of the upper arm as well (eg: Frank Mir vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira in UFC 140)
These are easily corrected mistakes that I see beginners make almost every time they learn this submission. However, I have even seen some professional fighters who have never corrected these mistakes because they were strong enough to compensate for bad technique. Even so, correct grips cost nothing but a little time and attention, and will make a weaker man’s grip strong, and a strong man’s grip stronger.
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As a bjj white belt, I really appreciate the tips!
When you get strong, you realize C-Grip is almost always feeble compared to a skeletal locked Monkey Grip. Fighters could practice some arm wrestling regularly to solidify their grip and increase pronator action strength. Grip strength itself is a highly useful weapon!
Great breakdown on a famous submission. 💪
Jujitsu arm wrestling crossover is pretty common I hear a lot of people talk about running into arm wrestlers in training and how much of a advantage it gives someone.
@@dorjedriftwood2731 really!? That's cool and makes perfect sense. I've never had that experience. Thanks for mentioning your experience.
Grip strength also makes your fists harder and can help to prevent injury
I know your assistant is an amazing fighter but he always looks so happy to be there and help. Excellent video on techniques everyone should remember.
What you said at 6.15 :
I'm a whitebelt in BJJ, but a 260 pound powerlifter and almost every time I make someone tap in sparring it's by a kimura or Americana 😅😅😅
Great to get some tips on my best move, thanks coach!
I love all of the technique videos you have been coming out with recently!
Classic c-clamp vs. Monkey paw conundrum. Excellent explanation.
Also worth noting here: Good gable grip involves 2 monkey paws palm-to-palm. And once again - people use their thumbs when they shouldnt. (interlacing and squeezing thumbs puts pressure on the saddle joint of thumb creating weakness and space between palms)
Would have been a good chance to plug and revisit some vintage Ramsey with that old gable/s-grip video🤔
Excellent, practical, and easy to execute advice. A million thanks!
Awesome video, nice and clean, and respect to your friend to help you out with this. Once I got a new apartment and fixed the moving business, I need to join a new gym and get back in the saddle.
Great stuff. Those C grips on the wrists are something I struggle with. I have a habit of C griping when I panic. I've learned to monkey grip on habit over the years.
thank you so much, sir! love the content. keep it up, my friend. looking forward to the next one 👍
Great stuff as always
Always learning new things with Ramsey thanks for the tips lots of help
It’s amazing how much difference some little tweaks make. I never knew about the monkey grip. Thank you very much! I need all the help I can get with my Jiu Jitsu.
Good lesson, thank you!
This is really informative... Especially since I've been working on grappling.
This is neat didn’t know about the monkey grip .
nobody told me of that on Judo, maybe it was because i got it anyways
@Blackwater Pete unless you do with gi like us Judokas
In rock climbing lingo, it is called a "closed crimp".
It is a grip generally avoided in strentght training, because when your body weight is hanging from it, it can cause injury to your finger joints. It is an essential technique though, for holding onto tiny features in the rock.
@Blackwater Pete you do bjj? the thing is that bjj guys usually have more endurance than the Judokas, but the Judokas always have more strenght, wich plays a important role if both fighters have the same level of experience.
I am not understanding why the thumbless grip makes such a difference. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks Coach!
Hi coach.. good inputs you gave In this video... keep it up 👍🏻
Excelent video
Thank you master
That's a neat trick.
frames are everything and some people don't realize it XD
thanks Ramsey
Hey ramsey I was wondering could you make a video about how to brawl? but the smart way I mean. When to, how to and what not to do?.
Oh man, I have always and STILL struggle with this.
As a Krav fighter I like your instructor style.
That was helpful, just had a thought. Would you ever do a video where you run through multiple techniques but have them slowed down. So it would be more of a breakdown to pulling off the techniques. So like a run through of the move you shown us.
Very good, I’ll have to share this with my HEMA group. The kimura is shown by Fiore d’ei Liberi as a defense against dagger attacks, although he doesn’t give it a name.
What Fiore showed in the manual against a dagger thrusting downward is not a kimura tho. In BJJ it's called Americana and in Judo it's called Ude Garami. You could google to see the difference. The grip may look the same but the functionality is kinda different, especially when both fighters are not wrestling on the ground
The Kimura useage while standing is mainly to escape a bear hug from behind or you just keep the grip in order to use a sacrifice throw. In other hand, the americana usage was shown in the manual, which you could combine it with a leg reap.
@@jaketheasianguy3307 Kimura (grip) was implied - I know it has a million different names, but it's achieving the same basic goal: mechanical advantage.
If you are getting pain from having someone practice kimuras on you, try doing face pulls with cables or bands. They strengthen your external rotation which will make your shoulder feel much better if it’s getting internally rotated a lot.
I recommend John Danaher's instructional on the kimura its great.
I always learn something from you. I need a new gym.😂
I was rolling with a buddy who is around my size, maybe slightly shorter but around the same weight, and he fell victim to bad technique. Not to blow my own horn but the gym at that time (the weight lifting variety) was my third home: Home church Gym. He had gripped his forearm, and lost traction of my arm. He tried to just muscle me over but I, at that time, didn't take to kindly to people muscling over me. So I did the ancient wrestler art of squish from mount after pulling my arm free.
Some Qin Na practitioners (the ones that don't practice actual ground fighting) need to take note of this. This is what your figure four lock techniques are ACTUALLY for.
Dont quite agree with the grip analysis. There are times when the c grip is more beneficial, and times when monkey grip is appropriate. The c grip can be made on the meaty part of the hand in order to allow you to rotate your opponent’s hand and forearm preventing them from making grips. you can finish the kimura just fine with a c grip because what prevents your opponent from pulling their hand out is not your fingers or your gripping hand so much as it is the overhooking arm. I like to ise the c grip when my oponent is already holding on to something and i need to break their grip. It will be hard to do that with a monkey grip. The monkey grip is excellent when applying a kimura on the ground because you can push their wrist down into the floor thus removing the possibility of escape toward the weak thumb. The monkey grip also allows you to more powerfully pull down because you can recruit the thumb as well but again you have no control over the opponent’s hand and you have less torque because you tend to grab lower on their wrist. Pros and cons. Whenever I am applying a kimura I have to decide which grip is more appropriate for the situation, it is not so black and white as simply always switching to monkey grip. Jiujitsu black belt.
Thank you for that info. I could always use more help with my Jiu Jitsu. In my many years of training martial arts, something I’ve learned is that answers are never really black and white, as you say. Like my first instructor used to say: “I don’t like the word “always”, because there’s “always” an exception.”
When will be the next q and a live
Hi coach, long-time viewer here!
I'm taking my first boxing class in a few days, and I'm kind of nervous. I'm not really in shape and my endurance is pretty low. What should I expect on my first day, and how can I prepare besides just running?
What to expect is going to vary wildly from one gym to the next. Nothing prepares you for the activity like doing the activity.
thanks
Hey nice demo, appreciated the monkey grip explanation.
I know Kimura now! And I've only ever trained bjj but maybe 10 over a period of like 2 months! Lol! I kid of course. But good it's good to have that lesson. Now I REALLY can work on that! 💪
Will you ever do a video with Luke Holloway?
People always underestimate the proper grip and position when I first started learning this submission hold I was taught that the wrists are just handles
Where's the guy with the knife who appeared in his first videos??
You mean Jourdan Chow? I’ve been making RUclips videos for over 15 years. Jourdan first appeared in my videos about 3 years ago. He has since moved away from Shanghai.
@@RamseyDewey 15 years!!. Man, I didn't know you were a veteran!. I started watching your RUclips videos 2-3 years ago. RUclips recommended to me one of your videos about Wing Chun, if I remember correctly. I'm a Wing Chun practicioner (not professional, only for fun) and I loved that video.
Thanks for answering my question. I expect to watch your videos for 15 years more :).
Have you been bulking up M. Ramsey ?
No
ramsey, I'm sure you know a lot of grappling techniques, have you ever tried any of the king (tekken series) grappling techniques? thanks in advance.
I don’t know what that is.
@@RamseyDewey King is a grappler from the Tekken franchise, here's a video about him ruclips.net/video/YrBYMmuU_p8/видео.html
(btw, I love your content man, keep it up! greetings from Chile)
@@bboyhanvzla I watched 3 seconds of it, but the dragon sleeper is a real move...check out the executioner choke
possibly the most dangerous neck crank you can do
I know this is unrelated to the particular video Mr. Dewey but is there any chance I could get your opinion on the possible practical application of Bajiquan? I would highly value your insight.
This was actually really helpful. I had always instinctively felt like using using the monkey grip would be more appropriate, but I now know where to grip and how to keep the spacing tight.
I've heard that the top mount from a brown or black belt is really effective at controlling an opponent but I could never imagine how. Could you explain how to utilise the top mount effectively like you explained for the Kimura?
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@@RamseyDewey My bad. I should follow you more closely. Thanks!
Ramsey, I have always wanted to learn martial arts. I am nearly 47. 6'5" close to 300 lbs. I decided I would get in better shape before I decide which martial art to learn. I am well on my way to doing that. The one martial art that intrigues me the most is aikido. It is the ethics of it that intrigues me. When I was a younger man, I was violent. I worked as a bouncer and hurt people that I probably shouldn't have. I used my size on them and now that I am older and look back on it I feel a bit guilty about it. I shouldn't have done that. Aikido claims that it is an ethical martial art in that the goal is to effectively defend yourself without hurting the other person. The older and more gentler me would like that to be true. I don't know how to defend myself without using my size advantage to hurt the other person. So my question is this. Is the claim of aikido true that you can defend yourself without seriously hurting the other person realistic? Is aikido really what I am looking for, or should I consider something else?
Hey coach do you think you will ever make a video on the crucifix position it is one of my favorite positions and I feel like it is underused and competitive gi and no gi grappling and mma
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@@RamseyDewey thank you this is awesome!
i managed to use a kimura in a streetfight once. dude was bigger than me and yanked me to the ground. which lead to him "tapping".
If you put pressure and torque on the wrist via thumb on top of the back of the hand. the shoulder will lock up almost in front of the body. Try it not a joke... very legit, least known kimura hack makes the move actually useable.
My instructor always says monkey grips are contagious
I think i might do all of these mistakes 😂
Professor
Hi Ramsey, what do you think are the main differences between the Russian/Soviet vs the American school of boxing? If there's even such a thing, it seems to me that former Soviet countries have a more structured and universal system
It's probably because of the political structure, there were annual meetings of coaches and a monthly publication..it's interesting
Ramsey what are some good reflex exercises
That depends on what kind of reflexes you want to develop.
Seriously, what kind of reflexes (actions performed without conscious thought) do you want to develop? Think about which motor movements you want to be able to do on autopilot, and spend an extra 10 minutes a day, every day working specifically on that one thing.
@@RamseyDewey mostly kick flexbility
Hi coach can you give some tips to judge the opponent’s attack distance or have some kind of concept of distance so you can dodge them. P.S. don’t have access to a gym or sparring partner rn, have a punching bag tho if it helps in any way. I’m still improving my footwork. Also I get that understanding your opponents rhyme comes with years of experience but still would like to understand it better. Thanks
You cant, not without a sparring partner
You can't. A moving partner is needed for this exercise. When you have a partner, try this drill : both you and your partner face to face in your fighting stance. He move forward 1 step, you back off 1 step. He back off 1 step, you move forward 1 step. He circle to the left 1 step, you circle to the left with him one step. He circle to the right 1 step, you circle to the right 1 step. Do it slowly and increase the moving speed when you get used to it. It will improve your footwork and your distancing alot
man i always had problems with the kimura i thought it was because i had long skin arms people slipped out, i guess not just shitty grips. thnx a lot.
“Our wrist joint”
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I never tried C grip for that submission. Was always taught to grip my wrist… the gab is too big on the forearm grip
I can't tell if you just finished a roll or if Tien is camera shy, he looks tense
Guess this is his first time filming a youtube video
I respectfully disagree, the hand that is on their wrist should be a c grip and you should be turning their hand to apply torque to the elbow to help put pressure through their entire arm. Catch wrestling double wrist lock you are trying to break their forearm, it is a very different pressure. Especially with MMA gloves, you should be turning the hand/wrist, the gloves make it even easier.
I really think its nonsense for him to say that its "easier" to pull your hand out with the thumb grip. However, sometimes I do agree that the thumbgrip feels too "crowded" or "tight" for me, but this depends upon the position we're in. I think its very valuable to be able to understand multiple variations of the double wrist lock.
Stop bullying little ones
You made me laugh
Teaching ≠ bullying
@@RamseyDewey He was joking
@@RamseyDewey looks like my irony was too thin
Dewey san, is it possible to accidentally break the arm? I wish to not do this to anyone ever, how careful should i be
Apply all submissions SLOWLY, give your training partner plenty of time to tap. Understand the submission completely from first hand experience so you know how far is too far. Let go and move on if your training partner is too stubborn, stupid, or ignorant to tap.
If I wanted to beat an opponent I wouldn't shower for a month LOL
Came to learn the kimura, left speaking Chinese
I prefer the age-old method of "Just grip harder".
Then you better hit the gym hard to increase that grip strength instead of spending like 30 minutes drilling that grip transition
@@jaketheasianguy3307 I do both. Get nae nae'd, nerd 😎
Interesting, I always thought monkey grip more a safety feature. Not likely to break it if not putting it in to harms way. Something wants me to try monkey grip deadlift now :)
For deadlifting? You could use monkey grips for a mixed grip deadlift, but the mechanics of controlling a barbell are way different than controlling a human arm. Try using a hook grip instead if you need something extra on your deadlifts.
If you’re doing 50mm + axle deadlifts, then sure, mixed grip monkey grips all day, because that’s the only way you’ll get your hands around the bar unless you’re a giant.
Tried it and to be fair, it makes no difference on a standard bar, but sure, I can't imagine any other way to pull an axle.
Opps! Sorry.
Professor Dewey does it again!👍🏽
The real name is the double wrist lock, it's pretty self explanatory. You should use that name more offen to help get it into student's head. It's a catch wrestling move that's been around centuries before BJJ started using it. That's actually were BJJ got it from. Kimura was a catch wrestler as well as a judo ka.
Also the the 1st tip doesn't make sense cause your fingers are still in the same place regardless where the thumb is. The guy could still be in the hold with the thumb but you let him slip out of it to prove your point. The thumb bit doesn't matter as long as you have a good grip. Catch wrestlers have done it using the thumb as well as monkey grip for centuries with greater success the BJJ users.
Catch wrestling legend Billy Robinson would keep using the thumb in his grip that he is using on his opponent's wrist while using the monkey grip on his own wrist.
The last two tips are good and make a lot of sense and I'm sure Billy Robinson would approve of them.
KeMeowRa!!!
Awesome video but I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on the grip, I’ve alway used a full grip except for specific situations, I’m definitely not saying you’re wrong either just that there’s more than one way to do things!
THX, now Ill be a beter keyboard warrior and i will Say what to Do on other channel! (But I Will Do like its my teaching and Say i did 20years martial art)
i still don't fully understand why not putting your thumb around the arm makes the grip weaker somehow, doesn't it just make it easier to slip through because that gap is now wider?
Remember the stupid sudden wrist grab that self defense people like to teach how to defense against ? It's weak because any decent grappler could blast through your thumb by rotating their arm (since it's 1 finger against then entire arm) and grab your wrist back. That's why it's so weak when you try to grab with your fingers.
In case of the kimura grip, the monkey grip help you grip the other guy's wrist with your own wrist, you don't just let your hand stay flat. Same as catching kicks, you don't grab other guy's leg with the C grip since he could break your thumb when he pulled his leg back, you use the monkey grip and hold his leg with your 2 wrists
Think about what parts of the hand and body are in use with each grip. A C-grip is really just using your fingers and thumb muscles to control the limb. The space isn't effectively restricted because one side of the grip will typically be disadvantaged, usually the thumb, and as a result the actual power of the muscles in your thumb are much easier to overcome, especially when you twist the limb. In a monkey grip, your palm and forearm replace the thumb's position. You're able to restrict just as much space without sacrificing anything, and you have much more power in those muscles to clamp onto the limb and use the pressure from that clamp to control it.
A bench vice has gaps in it, but you wouldn't be able to remove anything through those gaps very easily because the parts that are under pressure are stuck in really tight. That's the same kind of thing going on with a monkey grip.
Can you review the techniques done by @dust_tmc? They just seem like another bullshido account
Double wrist lock *cough* who said that
God Ramsey Dewey is very hot lmao
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And eat alot of onions and garlic Lol
Mr Dewey...you have a job were I bet you make personal hygiene and body deodorant a must on the rules list LOL
Yep. That’s pretty standard in contact sports.
"Strong-man technique" in which you go 2 on 1 and put your whole body into it LOL
I see it everywhere I look - people without knowledge will claim things working and not working etc. That mindset needs to get out the window if you're to become a fighter.
69 likes. Nice.
bad pronounce of きむら
Please go to a BJJ gym and tell everyone you meet that same thing. You will be enormously popular!
thanks