My next suit of armour
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- What will it be? Well, the trouble with a video like this is that to make the title and thumbnail relevant is also to give the game away. I'm going to put together another suit of armour. If you want to know more, watch the video.
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"I don't get the point of cosplaying."
-- Lloyd
"I now have a full authentic late 15th century Gothic plate armor. And a Storm Trooper uniform."
Also Lloyd
I could watch this guy waffle about anything for hours with 100% attention given
Totally agree. So smart, so funny. Could watch all day.
A "point" about anything and I'll listen 😄
💯👍🏻
Dude could make a 4 hr video on the history of beige interesting
I can't hear Lindy because The TANK MUSEUM. has something to say. Firefly. Sod Lindy. Catch you when they shut up.
‘To use the modern expression, “down with that”’. I’m convinced lindy was born in 1901
Libdybeige will have a suit of armor from every military unit from every time period of history around the globe and every military unit from every fictional universe from TV, film, and book, before we ever get 'In Search of Hannibal'.
There was an update on it 7 months ago.
@@Ecocristero3Actually there was an update on the kickstarter page in July.
@tiberiusmagnificuscaeser4929 Oh right on even better
@@tiberiusmagnificuscaeser4929 What did they say in the update? This one is for backers only, but I bought the book through backerkit so I can't access the update.
Dude, isn't it obvious?
He wants to FIND Hannibal before he finishes the book!
The tube on the lower back was a lightsaber holster. You can see a stormtrooper using it in the concept art lindy shows. By the time stormtroopers made it to screen they used guns instead but the design element stayed in
Would be an interesting version of the star wars universe; one where almost everyone is handy with a light saber and the jedi don't bother using them because if they want to kill you, well... they just use the force. Duh. Choke you, push you off a ledge, make you stab yourself, tell you to go home and rethink your life...
I think a strong visual influence of German gasmask storage cylinder is also a good candidate for why they have them. Stormtroopers are very clearly partially based on WW1/WW2 German soldiers. Because they wanted to make it clear to the audience that The Empire was an authoritarian state, and having German influence in the kit conveys that well without telling.
@@rubenskiii Indeed. There is some unused concept art for Remnant Stormtroopers from The Mandalorian that shows them with more cobbled-together gear and one of them straight up has a German gas mask cylinder on his belt.
@@mirsh2541 amazing, i was not aware of that. Thanks!
@@rubenskiii Yeah, i want to say that the Stormtrooper helmet design (and of course their name ;)) has some inspiration drawn from German World War era helmets too?
They've seemingly made out Stormtrooper armour to be completely useless in this day and age, but in the West End studio D6 and WoTC D20 roleplay games, Stormtrooper armour was some of the best damn armour in the game!
Had so much fun with the WEG D6 RPG back in high school. Amazing setting that has been criminally mismanaged for a long time. I still enjoy reading the old sourcebooks for D6 that I bought and the D20 that... I have.
I mean, it makes sense! Stormtroopers were supposed to be the elite of the elite for Imperial ground troops, simultaneously navy seals and army rangers, they had the best kit, the best training and the best reputation. The very sight of a Stormtrooper was supposed to illicit fear in the average being, and their lethality was well known, even Obi-Wan notes this in ANH: "Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise."
So them having an amazing set of armour simply makes sense.
Honestly from the start it's always seemed pretty useless. First film they instantly remark that you "can't see a thing in the helmet" I always thought it'd be neat if it acted something like a ceramic bullet proof vest. It can take two or three hits before the protective plate is shattered and the next shot can go through.
@@jarongreen5480 So in the RPGs, Stormtrooper armour was coded to each user. The helmets themselves contained all sorts sensory equipment - like what Loyd mentioned in the video. If your DNA didn't match up with the person the armour was designated to, nothing worked.
You also required training to use the armour properly, otherwise the armour was hard to move in.
The movies did them dirty, make no mistake. They were meant to be the cannon fodder the heroes mowed through, but in Legends it's a different story. The common theory goes that Vader ordered the garrison aboard the Death Star to suck on purpose, since the entire plan hinged on the Falcon escaping and leading them to the Rebel base.
Yet the subsequent movies seemed to gloss over that fact and continue treating the troopers like a joke, culminating with the final nail on the coffin that was ROTJ and the Ewoks. Legends Troopers would have slaughtered the Ewoks without breaking a sweat, yet what we get is an entirely different story, hence all the jokes and the reputation that Stormtroopers were bumbling idiots wearing shitty armour with terrible aim.@@jarongreen5480
21:16 "...and of course, burglary."
Got a chuckle out of me 😄
when you explained the thumb mark, i looked at my bandai stormtrooper model kit on my shelf and once remembered reading "screen accurate" on the manual/instructions when i built it, when i looked at the left armpit, sure enough the mark is there!
mind blown
Bonus Beige; when least expected!
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPA...er...Lindybeige.
This new armor is pretty cool, but it'd be better in beige.
The sun will probably fix that with time. Soon he will look like a walking 90s IBM PC chassis.
That would be shore trooper armor I suppose
@@rickardspaghettiHis suit will have to sit in a bacta tank full of retrobrighting fluid.
A few tours on Tatooine will do it
Needs a good collar, too.
I'm a fan of the idea that stormtrooper armor is not good enough to stop a blaster bolt but it is good enough to prevent death. With bacta, even a severe wound is treatable so it might be cheaper and allow for better mobility to fix up a wounded trooper.
I've always liked that theory too. We don't generally know the stormtroopers are actually _dead_ after being hit by a blaster (or some teddy bears with rocks), just that they're out of action, so it's completely reasonable that the armour has saved their life and they'll be fine after a bacta bath.
Right. We dont see what happens when the battle is over. Maybe a crew of droids comes through and scoops them all into tanks to be healed for the next battle.
@@ooainaught Then it is a good thing that they did not take some inspiration from the suits used in "the Forever war" by Haldeman, lots of bodies with amputated limbs do not pretty on the big screen for your rating.
I heard that underneath a body glove is worn that takes the rest of the energy and disperses it, this is meant to increase the likelihood of survival where the clone armour was more likely to take the shot but if it didn’t you were dead
Aren't you a little tall for a stormtrooper?
A new type: Observation Trooper
They're really tall and can see over the hedge...
I’m so early it looks like Lindy from 15 years ago.
(It’s only rendered in 144p yet)
haha i was confused why the video looked so bad
A lot of the iconicity of the original trilogy is thanks to its talented costume designers like John Mollo who had a great interest in historical military uniforms. When he was designing the outfits for Star Wars he was determined to design it as if for an army, not a film.
Honestly this wasn’t what i was expecting… was really expecting some historical armor not a set of stormtrooper armor 😅
When he showed the box I figured it wouldn't be actual armor, but some kind of cosplay thing, so probably stormtrooper armor. Wasn't completely sure until he recognised me for the nerd that I am though.
it happened a long time a go in a galaxy far far away, so it IS hisotrical armor.
The fascination of watching an enthusiast
If you like armor you might read Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" . It describes their "powered armor" as a suit that they just wore which looked a bit like a gorilla with a misshaped head. Once in the suit they just moved and walked normally. And the suit which encased them wasn't all that much bigger than the man inside. All attempts to show the armor so far have used a giant exo=skeleton with the man in a small cockpit.
Armor by John Steakly would be another one worth taking a look at.
There's also the Peace and War Omnibus.
@@LeonidasRex1 that’s one of my favorite books. Excellent commentary on war. Reminds me of First Blood. As I age I sympathize with Felix more and more.
@@LeonidasRex1thx for the rec
I want the ST armor just for the built-in tactical nuke gun.
I was just about to go to sleep but it seems like it'll be worth staying up another 30 minutes
How about,
_In Search of Hannibal;_ what's the next shiny update for that?
Indeed! I’m one of the ones waiting
Same.
I'm with you on your "screen accuracy" bit. It's taken too far sometimes.
Anyway, that armour looks to be great fun to assemble. I hope it turns out!
It's pretty funny sometimes since the original costumes were somewhat haphazardly put together to last just long enough for filming and in some scenes it's already falling apart on screen if you look closely. And then some people are obsessed with recreating exactly what was seen on screen instead of what the costumes were meant to be or convey, which doesn't necessarily go together with wanting a costume you can actually wear somewhat comfortably and which will last you for decades worth of conventions.
It's also "screen accurate" to be missing certain details on the helmet and have your armour held together by white tape...
I agree. While I'm big into costuming, I feel that the term screen accurate is misused. What many fans call screen accurate should really be called set accurate and refer to being accurate to the prop or costume as seen on set/in person and includes all of the flaws. Screen accurate should refer to how it appears on screen under studio lighting, film color correction, and how you're supposed to see it.
I definitely with Lloyd in preferring my Stormtrooper and Vader helmets to be perfectly symmetrical as they would be in universe. They would have almost certainly designed in the Star Wars equivalent of CAD and produced on sophisticated machines so there's no reason why they wouldn't be perfectly symmetrical.
@@Riceball01 Exactly. That's why I actually prefer the new generation of Stormtrooper suits they made for R1 and everything after that are more idealized and symmetrical and hold up better with modern HD cameras and resolutions.
@@mirsh2541And rubber bands. Don't forget rubber bands.
@@mirsh2541 I re-watched the original and was a bit surprised by how it looked. Paint chips, gaffer tape holding pieces together and some helmets missing their painted on vents. Even Darth Vader's helmet had rough seams and uneven surfaces. Funny how our memory edits and polishes our recollections.
It might be worth reinforcing the thinnest part of the helmet just to prevent it breaking as soon as it's struck
Reinforcing the thinnest parts seems like a good idea to me too; maybe just some coats of paint could function as reinforcement in addition to the coloration/art?
@@Dack.howaboutyou yes, or maybe a couple thin coats of epoxy resin?
I think what I really admire most about your videos is how excited you get. Be it Lindy Hop, ancient history, medieval warfare, armor reproductions, LARP, HEMA or even the collars of your shirts. I just love the energy going on here.
In many films using large numbers of basically the same costumes (armour, uniforms and such) they have two versions. There is the standard version, cheaply done and good enough to pass muster in the background worn by hordes of extras and the they have a "hero" version which is very well done and used only for close ups. I am surprised there isn't a proper "hero" quality Storm Trooper suit offered for sale out there.
Holy moley that "gothic field plate" looks AMAZING!!
Do not underestimate the power of the beige side !
You need to go on vacation. I miss your videos on historic places.
So lucky. I felt the exact same when I first watched Excalibur. The armor in that movie was so cool.
And I. I wanted TWO suits of armour - one as I have, and the other from Uther's time.
@@lindybeige Then I hope to see a video of that too in the future!
@@lindybeige Why are you delaying so long in releasing the rest of the videos from the interview with the Canadian volunteer in Ukraine?
The front of the imperial stormtrooper helmet really is marvelous. It really is both human and robotic. It's not classically 'scary" per se, but it sure would look intimidating if a squadron of stormtroopers were marching towards me.
You really hit home with that bit about the helmet at the end
What are the odds, I myself was just watching some stormtrooper armor videos and happened to stumble across a rare Lindybeige comment within the video's comment section!
I can't wait to see the Beige Trooper.
Lloyd has come to see us!
The grey pipe thing is most probably just a canteen for the soldier to drink from. It would make the more sense
4:02 I'm not sure how up to date you are on the good ole Star War, but you might find it interesting to know that that armor is now introduced Canon and it's basically a proto stormtrooper armor used by troopers now referred to as TK troopers. It was used as a stopgap right after the empire switched away from clone soldiers and I think the in the in universe history as well as the look is quite nice
"I can't see a thing in this helmet." --canon
Long have I awaited this day. Looking forward to the next!
I agree with what you said about screen accuracy. I saw a storm trooper uniform in a comic book store and was disappointed with the way it looked close up. I think it would be really interesting to make a version of the armor that was more durable and well made.
It's rare for someone who likes the Stormtrooper armour aesthetic to also have the body shape necessary to wear it well.
Yeah, you need to be 70's skinny to pull of the look. Can't be fat or muscular.
I think that the standard Stormtrooper armor is fairly forgiving with that big ab plate in the front that can act as sort of a gridle. It's the Scout Trooper armor where you have to be fairly slim, or at least not have much of a gut since there's nothing in front there but fabric and it seems to emphasize even the slightest amount of gut.
RE Riceball = agree @@Immopimmo well, especially if you made a proper 2-piece or flexible chest/waist section that allowed full or near-full range of motion/sitting etc.
Depends on the armour.
Loyd thank you for not clickbaiting with the specific type of armour as it keeps the intrigue.
kind of reminds me about the mantainance vs refurbish schools of thought for historical items. to restore them to a certain historical standard to give an impression of what something was actually like in period, or to keep the centuries of rotting in some attic on them for the purpose of messing with an historical item as little as possible.
On the subject of how studio lighting and later color correction can affect things, the pulse riles in Aliens are a good example of how things can appear differently in person from how they appear on screen. On screen, the plastic body work on the pulse rifles appear to be a sort of olive drab color, but in person they were more of a brown color since they were painted in color called Brown Bess. Many Aliens costumers obsess over this detail and paint their replica pulse rifles in this Brown Bess color even though that's not how they appear on screen yet they'll insist that it's screen accurate.
Another example of something appearing different in person from on screen are the yellow/gold shirts worn by some of the cast members of the original Star Trek. That gold mustard color was actually much more green in color in person but due to the way the material catches and reflects light, along with the studio lighting and color correction, they don't look particularly green. Oddly enough, despite that, many TOS Trek costumers go with true screen accuracy and wear gold/mustard shirts instead of something that's more green.
Am I the only one that wants to see @Lindybeige in tactical dreadnought armour next?
As much as i love 40K i‘d prefer Lindy dressed up as imperial-french guards-officer.
Given he is more into sword, I think Black Templar.
Surely Lindy is Krieg….
@@josefrietveld219 Mon Dieu monsieur, why don't you just shove a crucifix in his face and drive the stake through his heart? :D
The Indomitus, the Cataphractii, or the Tartaros variant?
Pff ha! I like how gorilla glue is specialist glue. It made me chuckle.
Always wanted a set of Stormtrooper armour myself. May have to really look at it now
Check out the 501st legion if you want a wealth of information, list of reputable armour makers and potentially joining the club.
@@Vulkanprimarch Cheers. Will do👍👍
Ridiculously expensive though for what it is
"Screen accuracy" should probably be called "studio accuracy"
Man spent all the money for Hannibal on a new Storm trooper armour set 😂
Much ❤ Lloyd, it's awesome to see you dropping another video! I was going through "content withdrawal" 😅
That tube on the lower back was to hold their light sabres.
I knew it was ST Armor as soon as I saw the X-Wing Laser Saltire used for the thumbnail for this video!
I hadn't noticed how teeny weeny the codpiece was. Definitely American.
Kek
Thank you for not assuming that I’m a geek!
The grey pipe is the cannister that German stormtroopers were aupposed to keep their gas masks in during the two world wars.
True, though a gas mask on a stormtrooper wouldn't make much sense.
One World Cup.
@@Rendell001 I'm sure no one is supposed to do too much thinking about it. It just looks like a cool piece of kit and gives a link to the German Imperial Stormtroopers.
the screen accuracy vs production accuracy thing, the vision vs the nitty gritty detail, thats a pretty interesting rabbithole, how different doctrines on the same thing can lead to completely different lines of thought and desires.
kind of reminds me about the mantainance vs refurbish schools of thought for historical items. to restore them to a certain historical standard to give an impression of the period, or to keep the centuries of rotting in some attic on them for the purpose of greatest authenticity.
A while ago I read that clone armor dissipates the energy from the blast, but the energy still hits the wearer and the force often knocks them out. Seems like justification after the fact, but I was able to accept that well enough for why every clone/stormtrooper dead drops when hit
Very cool, always wanted to get myself some Scout Trooper armour.
Glory to the Empire, Lindy!
Very iconic, and quite the departure from the steel.
I love the speculation about the function of the helmet and about how many excellent features could be packed into a suit of armour like this. It opens up to some very interesting technical worldbuilding that would be very fun to see them explore in the movies. Sadly it's not to be.
I've been in the 501st for 20 years, it's very fun, good luck with your build.
I believe either that tube on the lower back or the "drop boxes" (which are located differently in this case) are ration packs according to the clone wars tv show
Makes sense.
I love your enthusiasm, it's addictive brilliance!
The overall design intentions of the armor was discussed in a few of the SW books that may or may not still be canon. I remember a discussion that covered the deliberate shift in design goals between the armor made for the clones and the armor made for storm troopers.
Clone armor, apparently, was made to attempt to completely arrest the passage of energy when contacted by it, and its ability to do this was, of course, limited to a threshold of let's say 10 units. 9 or less practically wouldn't even be felt through the armor, but 10 or above would cause a local failure at the point of contact and the energy would pass through that failure, leading to a very definite (and very possibly fatal) wounding of the wearer. The recovery chain then begins: immediate aid, medevac, surgery, recouperation, physical therapy if needed. A very long and resource hungry process during which the valuable asset of that fighter is also lost to the commanders in the field, and which process is fairly likely to fail to ever return them to the line.
Trooper armor, on the other hand, was made to dissipate incoming energy rather than blocking it outright. Say that this more manageable job than an absolute stoppage raises its failure threshold to 15, 15+ will still fail and get you a wounded trooper, chain of recovery, etc. just as before. But everything 14 and below will still pass through to the wearer, only spread over their whole body and hopefully watered down to a generalized 2-4. Enough in the higher doses to render the wearer unconscious, but little enough that the wounding potential (below failure) is essentially eliminated. If the trooper is recovered, they're right back to duty with absolutely minimal time or resources expended. Assuming the forces of the Empire are sufficient to press on over momentary losses within a given battle to eventually win on the day, they could easily be back up to almost full strength by the next engagement.
I recognize and am also frustrated by the lack of address given to simple melee vulnerability, but that seems to be much more a movie than a book thing, best I can remember. I do not claim this as gospel or canon, it's just the understanding I took from a non-movie source I read some years ago, and no, I cannot remember which one.
In the video game I played, a couple of punches would lay a stormtrooper out.
Suggestion: Add a button that plays the Wilhelm Scream when you press it.
Red herring to the video: How is "in search of Hannibal" coming along? Its been a while
A beige suit of ironman armour next.
I always viewed the storm trooper armour as a streamlined space suit.
It's supposed to protect the storm troopers during boarding actions in space, in case defenders on a rebel vessel decide to try and vent the atmosphere of the sections and decks where the storm troopers enter.
Not necessarily to fulfill the function of body armour.
Hmm yeah i think the black-body-glove combined with the potentially air-tight-helmet-seal could provide (with that back-tube-storage perhaps contributing extra) that emergency pressure-suit function. Seems perfectly plausible they would have that sort of gear around to swap into depending on where they were about to be deployed. Star Destroyers like in that first scene, are really big and carry a LOT of people & gear too. :)
@@Dack.howaboutyou I'm pretty sure George Lucas had space suits in mind, considering the time Star Wars was made (when the moon landing and NASA were all the rage), along with the colouration on them, and the very first scene they make an appearance showcasw a situation where it might be a good idea to have a space suit with it's own oxygen supply too
Just so long as we get to see you in the plain black body stocking first Lindy!
One thing never attributed to the armor is protection from short term exposure to a vacuum. If you’re fighting in space, this would be more of a concern than getting shot at. 😁
Barring lack of explanation in the movies, the thing on the lower back likely seems to fulfill Our Host's desire to see water bottles carried into battle.
It's a thermodetonator kit.
It’s for your imagination to run wild. The oxygen generator cylinders used on aircraft are the same shape for example.
@ogee634 The life support/oxygen generator is the square on the upper back. Lucasfilm released diagrams for them back in the day. I prefer what you are saying though:)
I liked Hannibal - the graphic novel - glad it came out punctually
You know I've never bothered to think about that. When you watch men in armor mid combat. They are constantly reaching for ammo or some type of equipment from themselves. In contrast you never see a stormtrooper fiddle with his kit. Thanks lindy!
"Plenty of uses... and of course burglary."😂😂😂 tell me more, good Sir.
Symmetry. I remember making production tooling for high price personal protective helmet in early 2000's . The CAD model had several places were things were not symmetric. Confused the crap out of me.
Another awesome video from lindy. I'm jealous. Enjoy. More videos please, big fan , need my lindy fix.
Wow! Thanks for sharing and above all, thanks for the new concept of "Screen-Accuracy"! Great stuff!
Nice. I'm currently in the middle of building my own as well. I went with an RS kit. Good quality, but I had to modify some of the pieces to make them fit my body type (I'm apparently taller than a 1970 stuntman as well). If you have to make modifications, I suggest you mix up some "ABS paste", which is essentially just pieces of ABS that you melt with aceton. The resulting paste can be used to fill gaps in your armor and can be sanded. The stuff is extremely helpful.
Are you going to make some of those silly armour videos you mentioned a while back like trying to get into a "knight" club etc? Would be great to see you wearing the armour a bit more!
Where's the book I paid for mate?
I was worried in 2016 that my address would change and the book might not find its way. I've since had my address change more times than I can remember. Will be amused if we ever see the book.
Love the enthusiasm when talking about this armor 👍🏻
Your desire for something high-tech on storm-trooper armor is absolutely hilarius.
It's so cool that you have 100% the same enthusiasm and disappointment with the classic stormtrooper armour that I have had since A New Hope.
The *potential* tech of the armor could be so epic if Stormtroopers weren't the Keystone Kops of science fiction, defeated by teddy bears and completely unable to shoot straight.
Though I guess Mandalorians fulfill that "epic" role, with their Swiss Army Knife armor.
Outstanding, sir, you never disappoint. 🍻
Am I the only one who STILL hasn’t had the copy of Hannibal I paid for years and years ago? Has it been released yet?
Lovely! I hope we'll get plenty of videos following the assembly of this one =)
I too prefer symmetrical vs. screen accurate.
It's always fun to see what you are up to. Cheers! :)
That lighting at the end was magnificent.
The cylinder on the back is a mortar shell, they were first seen in action during the second season of the mandalorian.
when comic
After all it has only been about seven years, three months, and ten days.
And being of a taller stature, you’ll be accidentally banging your head in doorways.
Oh, jumper no.2, how nice. Been a while.
Incredibly exciting build! Hope it goes well!!!
Small nerdy point of order.
Ablative armour doesn't necessarily need to be 'stiff' as it works by 'ablating' (To remove by erosion, melting, evaporation, or vaporization) in order to carry incoming energy away.
As such Ablative armour could as easily be incorporated into a fabric or gel as a solid plate. Furthermore this kind of armour isn't suited to stopping impact as it's intended to dissipate heat (plasma / DEW?). Perhaps the word you were looking for was 'Carapace'?
What happened to the Hannibal comic?
Glad to see you again! Pretty cool that you got that suit.
Seeing how Stormtroopers are most definitely partially based on WW1 German Stormtrooper and WW2 German soldiers the reason for the mysterious tube on the lower back is based on the gasmask cylinder that these troops carried. I don’t have an idea what they are used for “in universe” but from a “real world” perspective this is what i believe to be the case.
_Looking forward to Tewkesbury, next year_ 😊
Lindybeige & Adam Savage for an episode of one day builds. Building a suit of armour; thoughts?
I am so looking forward to more videos on this!!!
I never would have expected Lindy to want a stormtrooper uniform. and I'm not talking about the German kind!
I hope you will do videos of the build, detailing tips & tricks and things to avoid etc.
Also, I agree 100% about preferring the intended symmetrical look, rather than screen accurate.
The not doing it’s job part clued me on it
Thanks for sharing! Can't wait to see it!