Not a fan of Chitubox in general so I already use lychee slicer. But you don’t have to use Pro version of Chitubox to use the printer. I have a Mars 2 pro and it’s an excellent printer.
@@___codeboss___short__yt8159 confirms that Captain Obvious can be both correct and capable of demonstrating the intellectual capacity of a very slow toddler simultaneously. Well done! Change is a universal constant but the proliferation of relevant information does not often keep pace. Comments like yours simply prove that, no matter where you go in the galaxy, you will always find idiots in possession of a far greater sense of self-importance than what's warranted. Again, well done!
It just encourages piracy. But the unit is really cheap for what it can do, I suppose they have to make money somehow. I like to process my prints with Prusa and then just use Chitu to convert to CTB
"having the parts warm when curing them, supposedly also helps with strength after curing" that sounds like a premise for a pretty interesting video for sure.
Yes! I'd love to see a video that delves into that.
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Check out Goobertown Hobbies video about resin chemistry. Really interesting breakdown of the mechanisms behind how 3d resin works, by a chemistry Ph.D. He clearly knows what he talks about. ruclips.net/video/ht4tbCiFxeM/видео.html
@ +1, was a great watch by an awesomely smart dude with pictures and stuff to boot. Might not be what OP was looking for, but good watch, none the less.
Great Review of the Mars 3 and wash and cure units! Also, much much appreciated bringing more attention to the Chitu Board/Slicer issues. One thing I'm excited to see coming out of this are multiple teams working on open source boards to directly compete with Chitu. Fingers crossed more changes are on the way.
Thomas could make a video about the open source alternatives and the open source resin printer projects! The chitubox "lockdown" is really annoying (says the guy with Formlabs printers lol, but I do have a Anycubic too..)
@@ziggystardog we need the right of ownership movement. I'm tried of this buying a license to use a product bs. I bought a complete product, not a license to build one myself to having to stick to some stupid software.
I was seriously considering the Mars 3 until hearing that. I’m so disgusted with and sick of companies trying to prevent you from fully owning the products you purchase.
Interesting video! Soft-locking a machine to a software subscription is a really bad idea for a number of reasons so hopefully there'll be an alternative sooner or later.
As much as I appreciate your videos and insights into the engineering side of things, I don't share your optimism on the purpose of cost optimization "... it means that Elgoo has more budget to spend elsewhere on the machine..." Um, yes and no: after 25+ years in marketing and product development, I can tell you that cost optimization is used to improve profits 99% of the time. Even if we consider the Mars 3 to be a "star" on the BCG-Matrix (Growth-market-share-matix) and thus in a category where you DO invest to harvest fat returns, cost optimization is the part that's financing the investment and NOT a mechanism that shifting the price-value ratio in a region that makes the product an exceptional deal (I know you didn't say that).
Thanks for this, and for high-lighting the Chitu box licensing issue. I'd been holding off buying a resin printer until I could order a Mars 3 (the early subscriptions are sold out as I write) .. now I can have another think about my options.
At that price for chitu pro, if you really wanted it after your free year it might make more sense to buy a second one and both have 2 or flip the first one
I can definitely see that. for not much more than what your current printing experience costs, getting a 2nd printer which would improve your experience greatly seems like the better option.
It doesn’t “require” it, depends on your use. I’m printing mostly presupported and I can easily support on chitubox basic FOR MY USE. If you design a lot of stl by yourself with only one print can be really limiting, but mind that once supported with the “basic” app you can print infinite copies with just one supporting job. And the community does it since the beginning of SLA printers 😉 I’m using chitubox basic for my Mars 2 pro and I’m absolutely happy of the free version.
I am new to 3D printing, I was dead set on buying this as my first printer until I saw this video. There is no way in hell I would ever buy a subscription like that. Hopefully I can find another printer somewhere else.
A subscription is for the Pro version. The printer will still work with the Basic version, but the slicer will have fewer features. Hopefully they don't dumb it down too much.
That comparison of basic and pro Chitu would be awesome The Mars 3 looks interesting, but as you said, the 2 (Pro) is really good too, for a decent price.
100% agree: I'd love to know more about the pro vs standard versions. I know they're subject to change at any time but the distinction is important within the next year for me because I'm getting a mars 3.
this printer looks really good to me but you are completely right when it comes to the locked down ecosystem. id rather pay a bit more somewhere else and get a system that is open source, hopefully prusa can deliver something cheaper in the future.
Yea... I don't see Prusa delivering something cheaper... I also wouldn't be surprised if they pull out of the MSLA 3D Printing Game entirely considering how little they talk anymore about their SLA branch of 3D Printers... Their 3D Printer is the same tech/working principle Chitu runs on, plus a tilting bed, but costs more than five times as much - Hard to sell people on _that_ premise.
Is there any other open source alternative than Prusa? Having encrypted data format is bad, but having"easily reverse-engineerable" one doesn't make everything "open source".
After watching this video I've still decided to get what's pretty much the same bundle with the Mars 3. I think I'm pretty okay with the software being soft locked to Chitubox if I can import models from free software sources. But it was great to be aware of this before deciding to purchase it. Thank you!
So glad I watched this. I have a elegoo on the way, just went and ordered an anycubic photon. I hate SW lockin. The elegoo will be returned with a note saying exactly that.
I'm glad I watched this. I'm looking for a resin printer and I would have bought one not knowing it had "locked" software. That is out of the question for me.
Part of the reason this worked so well for FDM printers is that nobody was even trying to produce low cost hardware. After the success of FDM and the race to enter the market; now open source has to work on ideology rather than need; which severely reduces the talent pool as many talented people are willing to accept rent seeking good enough and wait for somebody else to oust the rent seekers.
Being locked into an ecosystem seems like a really bad move for the consumer. They've gotta sweeten the deal a little more if they expect people to accept it, as they aren't truly offering anything special to warrant a subscription service. I get it, they offer a "Free Version" but...for how long? If they decide that they no longer want to offer a free version tomorrow, where does that leave the users? This could no doubt be a real issue if more manufacturers decide to start doing this. Offer CONSIDERABLY cheaper hardware, Then maybe it would warrant a software aubscription.... However, there are way better options out there. It's just up to the consumer to look for them. Thankfully resin printers aren't the first option for most people entering the 3D printer space. Great review on the overall experience. Everything that you're mentioning is something that new users should take into account before purchasing... and NOT just how the unit works. Hopefully we won't look back at this review and say "Well, this is how it started." Still creeps me out that it looks like they're trying to lock users into a subscription service for their hobby.
I've found the best results for curing most resins to be to cure them in a beaker of warm water. When I do not do this, their surface ends up oily and requires very good cleaning so that my paint sticks them. I read somewhere that most resins require a low oxygen environment to cure and like to be slightly warm. Ergo, hot tap water. I also like to cheat and remove supports before curing, because they're still a little flexible and you are less likely to damage the print by leaving marks in the fully cured resin, but that is a risk calculation tradeoff because you might damage it with fingerprints, fuzz, or glove prints, as Tom mentions.
I've been thinking about a resin printer for a while now. The Prusa resin printer is open source, but a lot more expensive, so the choice between it and one of these cheaper options isn't an easy one. With this underhanded move by Chitu, I think the decision is essentially made for me. I'm not going to support this kind of nonsense.
I use a hair dryer to dry my parts after cleaning in alcohol and also after curing, I give the parts a good wash in soapy water, then dry again with the hair dryer.
8:57 why not just put a piece of non clear tape on the case @ the sensor height ? Maybe on all 4 corners so u won't have to worry abt the orientation either :D
Yeah, the chitu lockdown does impact some of the available other integrations, like the new Chituboard plugin for OctoPrint which still works with the older firmware.
I didn't even know there was a plug-in for Octo. Last time I asked on the forums it was a straight up no it won't work. What kind of features are there, is it the same as I would get on FDM such as remote printing, monitoring, camera/timelapse etc? Thanks
@@EaterOvSouls I'm pretty sure the same features, yes. Can't guarantee it though. The plugin was just recently released. The plugin author is active in the OctoPrint Discord server as well and I'm sure would love to get some feedback.
Depending on the outcome of discussions with Gina, the plugin author may release a new version that incorporates the new format because apparently it's already been reverse engineered.
Hi Tom! Thank you very much for the insightful report! - I do have a follow-up question though. Now that Elegoo has released the "open source" files for the Mars 3, does this change the issue discussed here in any way? I'm considering this printer (along with the Sonic Mini 4k) for the Black Friday, but I really don't like this kind of closed systems...
…and don’t forget governments…they do the same thing
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Great video as usual! While it would be interesting to know what extra features are in the paid version I for sure will not get a printer with that kind of lock-in system. I'm very happy with my first fdm-printer (a prusa mini+). I've been tempted to buy a SLA printer, but I will wait until there is an open alternative.
Sometimes it takes a bit of suck to force people over the edge into finally hacking and developing an open source fix for a given problem. We've cracked tougher nuts than this, we'll crack this one too. Thanks again for taking the time to make a solid review, as always.
I just got my shipping notice for the Mercury X bundle. I've been using a homemade solution for cleaning and curing but it was muddled at best. So when the pre-order was available for the Mercury X, I jumped on it. It has been a long wait, still have a few weeks before it arrives but I know it is on its way.
@@squishybrain as someone who is using the .ctb format, I'd like to know what Pro offers over Basic, to better gauge whether the Pro version either has features I need, or features that would improve my workflow enough to justify the expense.
I'm new to the hobby and getting ready to buy my first 3d printer(s) this year. I will not look at elegoo or chitu platforms. Also, other reviewers have noted the flaw in this design with movement, the cheaper parts may not last, also another reason I will avoid elegoo going forward. Cheers for the content.
I was just about to order one but they're sold out. Good thing I happened to catch this review, $170+ per year for licenses, for a part time user like me, no way. Thanks for saving me a lot of grief.
Thank you very much for this review. Fortunately, I've held on buying a resin printer until I have a dedicated space for it - I'll probably ignore all the Chiut based printers when it finally comes to me buying a machine. I've had WAY to many cases of "we'll reduce the free version until people start finally buying the pro version" (I am an IT professional :)) to actually trust the free Chitobox free version to actually provide usable features in the future ("Using ChituBox free, you will be able to print anything you like (provided it's a cube not exceeding 56% of the available build volume ). And since a 180 Eur/year actually means each print I do wourd cost aproximately an additional 30 Eur/print, I'll completely pass on that.
Interested in the comparison. Does the locked firmware only apply to the new printers? Other articles and videos led me to think the chitu nonsense hit existing printers as well.
Great video but I thought you were going to say before every video You would do a disclaimer on if the printer was sent for free and a bunch of other disclaimer stuff?
I'm plotting out what resin printer I want to get for my first experience, and the hardware of the Mars 3 looked pretty great...but with a closed system requiring a stupidly expensive subscription (let's not kid ourselves about how long the free version of Chitubox will be worth using), I don't think the hardware upgrades are worth it. I might even go so far as to avoid the Mars 2 which also caught my eye - why give Elegoo my money at all when they're willing to engage in such practices with newer printers? From what I've been reading, I could instead get a Phrozen Sonic Mini 4K and an Anycubic Wash/Cure station and still be quite happy with the beginners' resin printing experience.
Olá João, percebi que você é brasileiro. Desculpa a intromissão, mas tens impressora 3D? Queria uma sugestão pra alguém que quer entrar, assim como (se não sentires desconfortável com a ideia) saber como foi a primeira experiência com impressão em resina? Obrigado, um bom dia
@@nairocamilo Buenas!! Hoje tenho uma Ender 3, e estou pesquisando ainda sobre resina. Dei uma parada na ideia por causa do alto valor e falta de opção de tipos de resina aqui no BR.
I know this video is 2 years old, but I just picked up the Mercury X Bundle a few weeks ago, got a good deal. There is a sticker on the cover of the curing station that "activates" the sensor on the light bar... the sticker actually says this. I saw that you put your hand over the sensor and it turned on, but didn't see the sticker on the cover. Was this something that they added recently? So don't take the sticker off if you get one with it...
Today the Mars 3 Pro is compatible with Lychee 3.0 software so would imagine the Mars 3 is as well. This video is over a year old now so of course that is an eternity in the software world. That being said, if your only hang up with the machine is the software that problem has been resolved.
I would really love to see a comparison between different printers for 25 or 32mm (115% scale) miniaturres, that are primed to actually see what the details on a "real" miniature would be like. Black rattlecan primer, with a white (or off-white / grey) zenithal highlight to show some contrast, but keeping both the production cost and production time of the videos low. Thank you for the video (and the production quality as always) though! :)
As long as ChituBox Basic doesn't have any features removed from the classic versions I don't have a problem with them charging extra for a Pro version if the added features are worth it. $170 seems a bit too steep though, especially as a subscription. The SDK will be worthless though if it's gimped in any way.
Great review Tom, but I am most glad to see you commenting on the issues surrounding Chitubox and Chitu Systems! Hoping if enough content creators address this properly we can get some sort of actual movement. I was able to get a copy of the SDK license agreement and it is a total disaster. No data on price (states a mutually agreeable price..) nor anything about functionality, other than that you hold harmless Chitu for any damage the files may cause, which is typical in documents like this.. I really do like the separate stations, but gosh we are so space constrained :/
I love how the reflexion of the promper is showing on the red plastic cover of the printer i know what are you going to say before you got the chance to do it
2K and 4K terms refer to horizontal resolution. Not to total pixel count, so their naming is fine. 2560x1440 is still 2K and not 3.5K as you mentioned.
Correct, 2K and 4K refer to horizontal pixel count. DCI 2K is 2048 × 1080, while DCI 4K is twice as much at 4096 x 2160. The older screens have a higher resolution than 2K, and the exact resolution of 2560 x 1440 is most often referred to as 2.5K or 1440p, as I do in the video.
@@MadeWithLayers apparently I've misheard you, and you do call it 2.5K and not 3.5K as I first heard. I am sorry for this misunderstanding. Best regards!
I am going to guess that is because in the US we have 2 liter soda bottles. The freedom-sized is probably a knock on the US for either our love of freedom (sometimes to much) or the size of the bottle (and our obesity problem).
@@randallbourque1321 I was referring to the US's stubborn refusal to use metric in all but a few applications, such as drugs (illicit or otherwise), bottled soda and water (available in 4 fl oz and 500 mL increments) and engine displacement. "Freedom size" could have just as easily been 64 fl oz, but the industry settled on 2 L instead.
Which is interestingly a size that is quite uncommon in Europe. Most cokes you buy here are 0,5l, 0,75l, 1l or 1,5l. But I did once see an abnormal 10l bottle of coke in a store (which is also long gone)
@@SchwachsinnProduzent There are 2l bottles. But they not as popular as the smaller sizes. When I had some, the contents usually got stale before I was able to finish it, so I usually avoid bottles larger than 1l.
I really only use FDM printers but always find the resin printers really interesting, especially the fine quality they can produce. But one query I have is what do you do with all the contaminated IPA from washing? (Obviously not a consideration with FDM). Just curious James (ps. another great video)
Surely the plan was all along - buy the factory to make mono lcds, build the boards, build the software. I can't blame the for monetizing...but they really need something in between. I think a good option would be a credit system where either slicing or printing consumes credits. The heavy commercial users built it into their price. Hobbyists who don't put out nearly as much don't need to worry about big annual costs. Simplify3d ran into this - they said free updates for life, and ran out of money...so no more updates. Next version which is coming soon(TM) for the last forever is gonna be subscription they say - and they're calling it a new version, not an update, so everyone gets locked out. That's gonna go poorly.
Which resins printers don't use chitubox ecosystem? I guess wanhao ones still and few other. It would be interesting a video on the printers that have their own hardware and how they do behave VS chitubox electronics ones
Well the Prusa of course. Since the output of an MSLA slicer is so simple (basically just a sequence of images), I can't see how it wouldn't be possible to adapt Prusa Slicer to support those printers. If they pull tricks like closed source firmware requiring signed proprietary slicer files, well then I'd consider it an attack on their customers and a very good reason to never touch anything they sell, now or in the future.
![Noob To Max With DRAGON REWORK In Blox Fruits [FULL MOVIE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LnBMOinoOvA/mqdefault.jpg)
It should be noted that Elegoo has released official support for Lychee slicer.
you should be noted this video is from 1 year ago
@@___codeboss___short__yt8159 You should note that the information is relevant and useful.
Not a fan of Chitubox in general so I already use lychee slicer. But you don’t have to use Pro version of Chitubox to use the printer. I have a Mars 2 pro and it’s an excellent printer.
@@___codeboss___short__yt8159 I just got a printer so this is great for me.
@@___codeboss___short__yt8159 confirms that Captain Obvious can be both correct and capable of demonstrating the intellectual capacity of a very slow toddler simultaneously. Well done!
Change is a universal constant but the proliferation of relevant information does not often keep pace. Comments like yours simply prove that, no matter where you go in the galaxy, you will always find idiots in possession of a far greater sense of self-importance than what's warranted. Again, well done!
subscriptions of softwares that don't even need server usage are definitely a dealbreaker for most of makers.
Time to pirate the software. its indeed disgusting.
well, it just stopped me from buying this printer alltogether. So no money for either Elegoo nor chitubox
Nothing is free my boy lol
This particular example seems excessive, but in general subscriptions to software is entirely fair. I hope you don’t expect updates to be free.
It just encourages piracy. But the unit is really cheap for what it can do, I suppose they have to make money somehow.
I like to process my prints with Prusa and then just use Chitu to convert to CTB
"having the parts warm when curing them, supposedly also helps with strength after curing" that sounds like a premise for a pretty interesting video for sure.
Yes! I'd love to see a video that delves into that.
Check out Goobertown Hobbies video about resin chemistry. Really interesting breakdown of the mechanisms behind how 3d resin works, by a chemistry Ph.D. He clearly knows what he talks about.
ruclips.net/video/ht4tbCiFxeM/видео.html
Sounds like a topic for Stefan ;)
@@hannesw928 yes, exactly!
@ +1, was a great watch by an awesomely smart dude with pictures and stuff to boot. Might not be what OP was looking for, but good watch, none the less.
Great Review of the Mars 3 and wash and cure units! Also, much much appreciated bringing more attention to the Chitu Board/Slicer issues. One thing I'm excited to see coming out of this are multiple teams working on open source boards to directly compete with Chitu. Fingers crossed more changes are on the way.
Chitu is definitely giving board makers incentive!
Thomas could make a video about the open source alternatives and the open source resin printer projects! The chitubox "lockdown" is really annoying (says the guy with Formlabs printers lol, but I do have a Anycubic too..)
@@Allmentux well I hope Cura will introduce resin printing options by the time a new board with open-source format comes out.
The price of printers will go up if Chitu is out of the picture, they count on volume to keep the price low. My 2 cents.
@@vfxforge I don't care because I know someone else will enter the space with much better printers.
175€ every year is just disgusting and a deal breaker for me.
laughs in anycubic
Yes and for slicer looking like old win95 (basic version), tiny blue button with white icon ? Really ? i using Lychee free and it's more user friendly
thats price for a lifetime liscense for anything else... anually, like s3d is less than that for life
Yeah, that's like one Ender 3 style printer a year. For software that might change in a way we don't want without anyone being able to change it.
Where you get the 175€ lol.
That's my Dragon!!! Thank you for printing and showing all the sexy close ups, Made my day!
It's a fantastic model, thanks for sharing it!
I will be skipping the Mars 3, and any other printer that has a "software locked" board.
same, once i buy it is mine, not a leashed product. I refuse locked in eco-systems such as this and by example apple.
This is a right to own issue. For me, even more important than to right to repair nowadays.
@@ziggystardog we need the right of ownership movement. I'm tried of this buying a license to use a product bs. I bought a complete product, not a license to build one myself to having to stick to some stupid software.
I was seriously considering the Mars 3 until hearing that. I’m so disgusted with and sick of companies trying to prevent you from fully owning the products you purchase.
"You will own nothing, and you will be happy" - Klaus Schwab
Interesting video!
Soft-locking a machine to a software subscription is a really bad idea for a number of reasons so hopefully there'll be an alternative sooner or later.
Check out the Ath3na board by the Open Print Alliance (the Atlas folks).
1:10 - Amazing, the printer comes with voice recognition and is actually _printing his words_ as he speaks (left side of the image)!
As much as I appreciate your videos and insights into the engineering side of things, I don't share your optimism on the purpose of cost optimization "... it means that Elgoo has more budget to spend elsewhere on the machine..." Um, yes and no: after 25+ years in marketing and product development, I can tell you that cost optimization is used to improve profits 99% of the time. Even if we consider the Mars 3 to be a "star" on the BCG-Matrix (Growth-market-share-matix) and thus in a category where you DO invest to harvest fat returns, cost optimization is the part that's financing the investment and NOT a mechanism that shifting the price-value ratio in a region that makes the product an exceptional deal (I know you didn't say that).
Thanks for this, and for high-lighting the Chitu box licensing issue.
I'd been holding off buying a resin printer until I could order a Mars 3 (the early subscriptions are sold out as I write) .. now I can have another think about my options.
The saturn 4k accepts files from other slicers - with the current firmware at least
At that price for chitu pro, if you really wanted it after your free year it might make more sense to buy a second one and both have 2 or flip the first one
I can definitely see that. for not much more than what your current printing experience costs, getting a 2nd printer which would improve your experience greatly seems like the better option.
I really need a basic resin printer but I'm never signing up for a machine basically requiring 170$/year
Buy the previous model. Or a competitor. Maybe even write to Elegoo and tell them you didn't buy the Mars 3 because it's locked down.
It doesn’t “require” it, depends on your use. I’m printing mostly presupported and I can easily support on chitubox basic FOR MY USE.
If you design a lot of stl by yourself with only one print can be really limiting, but mind that once supported with the “basic” app you can print infinite copies with just one supporting job.
And the community does it since the beginning of SLA printers 😉
I’m using chitubox basic for my Mars 2 pro and I’m absolutely happy of the free version.
for 130$ more you can get the 2nd year free by buying a 2nd printer if it turns out you could use it.
It is still hard to read your telepromter on the Mars3 :)
"Almost three freedom sized bottles of Coke." Yup, I LOLed.
I think the best part is that the highest mark on that bucket is exactly 3½ freedom-sized bottles of Coke.
Yeah, you're not supposed to fill it all the way. Though you could!
That was a brilliant joke.
It actually took me a minute to realize this wasn't a failed metric joke but a "fat American" joke instead.
LOL right away when I heard it.
You get a like for 'almost yeeting your 3d printer across the room' - a brand new sentence
My best friend's 20 year old daughter will approve this sentence. :D
I am new to 3D printing, I was dead set on buying this as my first printer until I saw this video. There is no way in hell I would ever buy a subscription like that. Hopefully I can find another printer somewhere else.
Did you end up finding a 3D printer to go with?
If you didn't pull the trigger, get a Creality Ender 3 Pro and add a glass bed. HMU with any questions.
@@trisbane4086 no, I ended up not buying anything.
A subscription is for the Pro version. The printer will still work with the Basic version, but the slicer will have fewer features. Hopefully they don't dumb it down too much.
That comparison of basic and pro Chitu would be awesome
The Mars 3 looks interesting, but as you said, the 2 (Pro) is really good too, for a decent price.
Absolutely. I was constantly wondering if that is a huge detriment or if the basic version is fine for 95% of use cases
100% agree: I'd love to know more about the pro vs standard versions. I know they're subject to change at any time but the distinction is important within the next year for me because I'm getting a mars 3.
this printer looks really good to me but you are completely right when it comes to the locked down ecosystem.
id rather pay a bit more somewhere else and get a system that is open source, hopefully prusa can deliver something cheaper in the future.
Elegoo and everyone else is upset by this as well.
Elegoo says their Jupiter model will be open source. So it sounds like they may be fighting back.
Yea... I don't see Prusa delivering something cheaper... I also wouldn't be surprised if they pull out of the MSLA 3D Printing Game entirely considering how little they talk anymore about their SLA branch of 3D Printers... Their 3D Printer is the same tech/working principle Chitu runs on, plus a tilting bed, but costs more than five times as much - Hard to sell people on _that_ premise.
Is there any other open source alternative than Prusa? Having encrypted data format is bad, but having"easily reverse-engineerable" one doesn't make everything "open source".
something cheaper hahaha
2:50 - loving that autocue reflection!
I can see Prusa taking over that market with an open source slicer within 2-4 years
Just a shame that there resin is so expensive - but atleast it's not a closed circuit
just wathed the video jan 15th 2023 - so what happened with the slicer software a year later after this video came out?
After watching this video I've still decided to get what's pretty much the same bundle with the Mars 3. I think I'm pretty okay with the software being soft locked to Chitubox if I can import models from free software sources. But it was great to be aware of this before deciding to purchase it. Thank you!
It now supports Lychee and Prusa as well.
So glad I watched this. I have a elegoo on the way, just went and ordered an anycubic photon. I hate SW lockin. The elegoo will be returned with a note saying exactly that.
I'm glad I watched this. I'm looking for a resin printer and I would have bought one not knowing it had "locked" software.
That is out of the question for me.
For as seemingly simple as the operation of resin printers are it's shocking there isn't already a widely used open source solution.
Part of the reason this worked so well for FDM printers is that nobody was even trying to produce low cost hardware. After the success of FDM and the race to enter the market; now open source has to work on ideology rather than need; which severely reduces the talent pool as many talented people are willing to accept rent seeking good enough and wait for somebody else to oust the rent seekers.
There wasn't a need since Chitu works fine, the boards are apparently reasonably priced and the slicer was free.
Of course, this has now changed.
Atlas is working on (they're almost done) their own open source board called Ath3na. Let's hope that takes off and puts chitu out of business.
@@squishybrain "Let's hope that takes off and puts chitu out of business." Or at least put them back to their place.
@@peterkiss1204 I would take that as well. Competition prevents stagnation or regression of development.
Being locked into an ecosystem seems like a really bad move for the consumer. They've gotta sweeten the deal a little more if they expect people to accept it, as they aren't truly offering anything special to warrant a subscription service. I get it, they offer a "Free Version" but...for how long? If they decide that they no longer want to offer a free version tomorrow, where does that leave the users? This could no doubt be a real issue if more manufacturers decide to start doing this.
Offer CONSIDERABLY cheaper hardware, Then maybe it would warrant a software aubscription.... However, there are way better options out there. It's just up to the consumer to look for them. Thankfully resin printers aren't the first option for most people entering the 3D printer space.
Great review on the overall experience. Everything that you're mentioning is something that new users should take into account before purchasing... and NOT just how the unit works. Hopefully we won't look back at this review and say "Well, this is how it started." Still creeps me out that it looks like they're trying to lock users into a subscription service for their hobby.
Thanks for the great work that you do. I have trouble painting my makes. A vid on what paints work best with resins would be most helpful.
I've found the best results for curing most resins to be to cure them in a beaker of warm water. When I do not do this, their surface ends up oily and requires very good cleaning so that my paint sticks them. I read somewhere that most resins require a low oxygen environment to cure and like to be slightly warm. Ergo, hot tap water.
I also like to cheat and remove supports before curing, because they're still a little flexible and you are less likely to damage the print by leaving marks in the fully cured resin, but that is a risk calculation tradeoff because you might damage it with fingerprints, fuzz, or glove prints, as Tom mentions.
I've been thinking about a resin printer for a while now. The Prusa resin printer is open source, but a lot more expensive, so the choice between it and one of these cheaper options isn't an easy one. With this underhanded move by Chitu, I think the decision is essentially made for me. I'm not going to support this kind of nonsense.
I use a hair dryer to dry my parts after cleaning in alcohol and also after curing, I give the parts a good wash in soapy water, then dry again with the hair dryer.
8:57 why not just put a piece of non clear tape on the case @ the sensor height ? Maybe on all 4 corners so u won't have to worry abt the orientation either :D
EleBOO! Chitublows for this move. I do have all that stuff and it works quite well though. No complaints about the hardware.
Yeah, the chitu lockdown does impact some of the available other integrations, like the new Chituboard plugin for OctoPrint which still works with the older firmware.
I didn't even know there was a plug-in for Octo. Last time I asked on the forums it was a straight up no it won't work. What kind of features are there, is it the same as I would get on FDM such as remote printing, monitoring, camera/timelapse etc?
Thanks
@@EaterOvSouls I'm pretty sure the same features, yes. Can't guarantee it though. The plugin was just recently released. The plugin author is active in the OctoPrint Discord server as well and I'm sure would love to get some feedback.
@@jneilliii ok, thanks, I'll be sure to check it out.
Depending on the outcome of discussions with Gina, the plugin author may release a new version that incorporates the new format because apparently it's already been reverse engineered.
I ended up getting a Mars 2 after watching this and yes for a newbie just get the the Mars 2 it prints well enough for your first printer.
It is nice to see your sliding text all the time on the Mars 3 cover ^^
Thanks for putting together some great content. I’ve learnt an enormous amount from your videos.
Hi Tom!
Thank you very much for the insightful report! - I do have a follow-up question though. Now that Elegoo has released the "open source" files for the Mars 3, does this change the issue discussed here in any way?
I'm considering this printer (along with the Sonic Mini 4k) for the Black Friday, but I really don't like this kind of closed systems...
9:00 there was a label on the yellow protective lid that should not be taken off, and is supposed to help control the UV lights.
I've been using the PRUSA slicer to generate supports and Chitubox to slice for my Longer Orange 30.
Ah yes. The scummiest thing companies do; implement a problem that they'll sell you the solution to.
…and don’t forget governments…they do the same thing
Great video as usual!
While it would be interesting to know what extra features are in the paid version I for sure will not get a printer with that kind of lock-in system.
I'm very happy with my first fdm-printer (a prusa mini+). I've been tempted to buy a SLA printer, but I will wait until there is an open alternative.
Sometimes it takes a bit of suck to force people over the edge into finally hacking and developing an open source fix for a given problem. We've cracked tougher nuts than this, we'll crack this one too.
Thanks again for taking the time to make a solid review, as always.
What are some reasonably priced alternative resin printers to Elegoo that don't use chetubox or lock you into one commercial slicer?
Prusa SL1 ? Ok, maybe not (I just looked up the price; ouch !)
I just got my shipping notice for the Mercury X bundle. I've been using a homemade solution for cleaning and curing but it was muddled at best. So when the pre-order was available for the Mercury X, I jumped on it. It has been a long wait, still have a few weeks before it arrives but I know it is on its way.
So, why exactly is there no open-source hardware for SLA printers? Why isn't Prusa's approach getting popular?
Tom, where do you buy your shirts - somewhere around Dingolfing? I really love them!
I'd love to see you do a comparison between Chitubox Basic & Pro versions.
Why? I personally won't ever touch Chitu again after these shenanigans
@@squishybrain as someone who is using the .ctb format, I'd like to know what Pro offers over Basic, to better gauge whether the Pro version either has features I need, or features that would improve my workflow enough to justify the expense.
I'm new to the hobby and getting ready to buy my first 3d printer(s) this year. I will not look at elegoo or chitu platforms. Also, other reviewers have noted the flaw in this design with movement, the cheaper parts may not last, also another reason I will avoid elegoo going forward. Cheers for the content.
Fun watching the teleprompt off the reflection on the printer.
Chitu ... God Damn!
We need to do something open source, or perhaps support Lychee instead.
I'm not a fan of the Lychee business model either. It's ads or a subscription. My printer is not a phone ...
4:03 "Quite a few pickles more"
Man I don't know why that slip made me laugh so hard but damn it did
when the volume is measured in Canadian bags of milk, you know it means business
The Chitu lockin is the main thing stopping me from buying a resin printer atm :(
Virtually every other hobby-level resin printer isn’t restricted to a specific software, so you shouldn’t let that restrict you.
Oooof, was about to pull the trigger on one of these, glad I watched this, the proprietary slicer is kind of a deal breaker for me
i bet you could 3d print a build plate hanger / adapter for the mercury to hold your older build plates. =) the future is here !
Mercury X bundle sold out already ?!
I was just about to order one but they're sold out. Good thing I happened to catch this review, $170+ per year for licenses, for a part time user like me, no way. Thanks for saving me a lot of grief.
Thank you very much for this review. Fortunately, I've held on buying a resin printer until I have a dedicated space for it - I'll probably ignore all the Chiut based printers when it finally comes to me buying a machine. I've had WAY to many cases of "we'll reduce the free version until people start finally buying the pro version" (I am an IT professional :)) to actually trust the free Chitobox free version to actually provide usable features in the future ("Using ChituBox free, you will be able to print anything you like (provided it's a cube not exceeding 56% of the available build volume ).
And since a 180 Eur/year actually means each print I do wourd cost aproximately an additional 30 Eur/print, I'll completely pass on that.
Interested in the comparison. Does the locked firmware only apply to the new printers? Other articles and videos led me to think the chitu nonsense hit existing printers as well.
From what I've read, the lock-in applies to older printers as well if you decide to update their firmware.
@@MadeWithLayers Thank you, that makes perfect sense.
Great video but I thought you were going to say before every video You would do a disclaimer on if the printer was sent for free and a bunch of other disclaimer stuff?
Thanks for the reviews, would love to see the Chitu review if you haven't already done it?
I'm plotting out what resin printer I want to get for my first experience, and the hardware of the Mars 3 looked pretty great...but with a closed system requiring a stupidly expensive subscription (let's not kid ourselves about how long the free version of Chitubox will be worth using), I don't think the hardware upgrades are worth it. I might even go so far as to avoid the Mars 2 which also caught my eye - why give Elegoo my money at all when they're willing to engage in such practices with newer printers? From what I've been reading, I could instead get a Phrozen Sonic Mini 4K and an Anycubic Wash/Cure station and still be quite happy with the beginners' resin printing experience.
Thomas, you have a fantastic sponsor Siraya Tech, the resin seems awesome!
Nice auto queue reflexion on the printer 😉other than that thank you so much for this review. It was really helpful!
Thanks Thomas!!! Mars 3 out of my list. I can’t accept to be tied to one slicer.
Olá João,
percebi que você é brasileiro. Desculpa a intromissão, mas tens impressora 3D?
Queria uma sugestão pra alguém que quer entrar, assim como (se não sentires desconfortável com a ideia) saber como foi a primeira experiência com impressão em resina?
Obrigado, um bom dia
@@nairocamilo Buenas!! Hoje tenho uma Ender 3, e estou pesquisando ainda sobre resina. Dei uma parada na ideia por causa do alto valor e falta de opção de tipos de resina aqui no BR.
I know this video is 2 years old, but I just picked up the Mercury X Bundle a few weeks ago, got a good deal. There is a sticker on the cover of the curing station that "activates" the sensor on the light bar... the sticker actually says this. I saw that you put your hand over the sensor and it turned on, but didn't see the sticker on the cover. Was this something that they added recently? So don't take the sticker off if you get one with it...
Was interesting seeing your teleprompter rolling on the screen lid of the mars
Still rocking a Prusa Mk2 after 6 years. Still rocking a Mars after 3 years. Still not worried about all this upgraded stuff to print.
Was looking at a Mars 3 hence looking late at this review. It’s now off my list, not paying that. That is £600 over 4 years. Madness
Thanks Thomas.
Today the Mars 3 Pro is compatible with Lychee 3.0 software so would imagine the Mars 3 is as well. This video is over a year old now so of course that is an eternity in the software world. That being said, if your only hang up with the machine is the software that problem has been resolved.
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Thanks! Great video. Wish I had watched before I purchased. I would love to see a breakdown of the software.
I would really love to see a comparison between different printers for 25 or 32mm (115% scale) miniaturres, that are primed to actually see what the details on a "real" miniature would be like. Black rattlecan primer, with a white (or off-white / grey) zenithal highlight to show some contrast, but keeping both the production cost and production time of the videos low.
Thank you for the video (and the production quality as always) though! :)
The size of it is appealing! I could take it to work with me and print while working lol and still have my mono x and m5 at home
As long as ChituBox Basic doesn't have any features removed from the classic versions I don't have a problem with them charging extra for a Pro version if the added features are worth it. $170 seems a bit too steep though, especially as a subscription. The SDK will be worthless though if it's gimped in any way.
Great review Tom, but I am most glad to see you commenting on the issues surrounding Chitubox and Chitu Systems! Hoping if enough content creators address this properly we can get some sort of actual movement. I was able to get a copy of the SDK license agreement and it is a total disaster. No data on price (states a mutually agreeable price..) nor anything about functionality, other than that you hold harmless Chitu for any damage the files may cause, which is typical in documents like this.. I really do like the separate stations, but gosh we are so space constrained :/
I love how the reflexion of the promper is showing on the red plastic cover of the printer i know what are you going to say before you got the chance to do it
It's like you're reading my mind!
(also, you could just turn subtitles on. Full script in there as well 😉)
2K and 4K terms refer to horizontal resolution. Not to total pixel count, so their naming is fine. 2560x1440 is still 2K and not 3.5K as you mentioned.
Correct, 2K and 4K refer to horizontal pixel count. DCI 2K is 2048 × 1080, while DCI 4K is twice as much at 4096 x 2160. The older screens have a higher resolution than 2K, and the exact resolution of 2560 x 1440 is most often referred to as 2.5K or 1440p, as I do in the video.
@@MadeWithLayers apparently I've misheard you, and you do call it 2.5K and not 3.5K as I first heard. I am sorry for this misunderstanding.
Best regards!
I let me prints sit after the alcohol wash. it doesn't take too long for the alcohol to dry up.
The issue is mentioned in 11:29.
Thank me later.
I have to admit, it is a bit baffling how a "freedom-sized bottle of Coke" is precisely 2 liters.
I am going to guess that is because in the US we have 2 liter soda bottles. The freedom-sized is probably a knock on the US for either our love of freedom (sometimes to much) or the size of the bottle (and our obesity problem).
@@randallbourque1321 It's a nod to the US calling french fries "freedom fries" some years ago.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries
@@randallbourque1321
I was referring to the US's stubborn refusal to use metric in all but a few applications, such as drugs (illicit or otherwise), bottled soda and water (available in 4 fl oz and 500 mL increments) and engine displacement. "Freedom size" could have just as easily been 64 fl oz, but the industry settled on 2 L instead.
Which is interestingly a size that is quite uncommon in Europe. Most cokes you buy here are 0,5l, 0,75l, 1l or 1,5l. But I did once see an abnormal 10l bottle of coke in a store (which is also long gone)
@@SchwachsinnProduzent There are 2l bottles. But they not as popular as the smaller sizes. When I had some, the contents usually got stale before I was able to finish it, so I usually avoid bottles larger than 1l.
Looking forward to a comparison of Chitubox Basic vs. Chitubox Pro!
I guess I won't be getting a new Elegoo printer with that Chitu lock in...
Is there a info about the date to buy on page or web site ? O need to buy one
Wow, I have moved to lychee as Chitu Box just kept crashing on every print. Looks like I won't be able to get a new Elegoo printer.
Yes, please, a full comparison between free and pro
LoL @ the autocue reflection on the mars 3!
subscriptions and signing files are dealbreakers. I almost was into buying a mars (mars 3 seems not available right now).
Nice teleprompter reflection
I like the teleprompter mod for Mars 3.
Great review, but I’m gonna need a link to buy your t-shirt. Love it.
lychee slicer available as of Jan 2022
I really only use FDM printers but always find the resin printers really interesting, especially the fine quality they can produce.
But one query I have is what do you do with all the contaminated IPA from washing? (Obviously not a consideration with FDM).
Just curious
James
(ps. another great video)
Expose to uv light via sunlight to cure particulates
Lol bags of milk. Thanks for the Canadian shout out.
"Freedom-sized bottles of coke" killed me XD
The teleprompter is reflected in the printer lid, lol. Anyway, I'm new to printing and just got the Mars 3. Thanks for the video!
Okay thanks this is a honest and fair review.
Chitubox just hired a (thinks they're) hotshit business major fresh out of school who is going to pour gasoline on their business and light matches.
I'm pretty sure this was the plan right from the beginning.
@@harmless6813 I'd be surprised if it weren't -still a bad plan.
Surely the plan was all along - buy the factory to make mono lcds, build the boards, build the software. I can't blame the for monetizing...but they really need something in between.
I think a good option would be a credit system where either slicing or printing consumes credits. The heavy commercial users built it into their price. Hobbyists who don't put out nearly as much don't need to worry about big annual costs.
Simplify3d ran into this - they said free updates for life, and ran out of money...so no more updates. Next version which is coming soon(TM) for the last forever is gonna be subscription they say - and they're calling it a new version, not an update, so everyone gets locked out. That's gonna go poorly.
Which resins printers don't use chitubox ecosystem? I guess wanhao ones still and few other. It would be interesting a video on the printers that have their own hardware and how they do behave VS chitubox electronics ones
Well the Prusa of course. Since the output of an MSLA slicer is so simple (basically just a sequence of images), I can't see how it wouldn't be possible to adapt Prusa Slicer to support those printers. If they pull tricks like closed source firmware requiring signed proprietary slicer files, well then I'd consider it an attack on their customers and a very good reason to never touch anything they sell, now or in the future.
Nova 3D, Longer3D, Uniz, anycubic, now Creality.