Jokic will need to maintain this level of play for several years to be in the GOAT conversation, but he probably will unless he suffers a terrible injury.
@@joemilo2710 I'm including the last four seasons of dominant play. You need at least nine or ten seasons of that to be in the GOAT conversation. Both MJ and LeBron maintained their peak form for at least ten years.
I agree with Austin, Joker is the best player in the league by far!! Joker and he had a great connection in the playoffs '21 when they beat Portland in 6, without Jamal!
Austin was pretty dismissive of removing the defensive three second rule, but I wonder why. I think that would be an easy and relatively seamless way to help defenses. So what if you have someone camping in the paint? Less easy baskets at the rim would probably lead to more mid-range shooting anyway.
why would an athletic combo guard want that to happen😂 pretty sure hes still tryna get some league time and that rule change would definitely change the way these quick shifty guards attack and score
I want to know what it would look like if joker got the calls the other guys get he gets about 6 ft per game and his arms look like they've went thru a shredder but other stars are averaging over 12 ft per game being barely touched
Every advanced stat says that the gap between jokic and the next best player in the league is significantly greater than the gap between either jordan or lebron and the next best player in the league at any point in their careers. The nuggets are by far the best team in the league whenever joker is on the court and are have a per minute point differential that ranks lower than the pistons and wizards whenever he’s off the court. His current BPM is 15.57, which would shatter his own all time record and suggests that hes having the greatest regular season in nba history. So yeah, he’s obviously the mvp and anyone who says otherwise is either ill-informed or just being a contrarian
I can see how Joel Embiid honestly thinks he's at the same level as Nikola Jokic as a center and as a NBA MVP, in a reality Jokic's in a completely different area code !
Jokic was denied history in the same way Bron and MJ were previously. Strange how a league that loves star building and historical narratives consistently denies dynastic individual play. Should be #4.....give it to the best/most important player (should be simple).
@@4evahodlingdoge226 No, it should be the most valuable player on a winning record team. Most valuable player means he does most for his team to win and no one does most for his team than Jokic. He leads his team in points, assists and rebounds every season and most other basic and advanced statistics. No one else comes close to it in value for their team. Without Jokic Nuggets would be a lottery team while other top teams without their superstars would make the playoffs easy because they have other star players unlike Nuggets. This is proven by Nuggets always being the worst team in NBA when Jokic is not on the floor and by the fact that Nuggets have a losing record when Jokic is not playing while all other teams have a winning record. In example, last season and every season Bucks and 76ers have a winning record when Giannis and Embid are not playing, which means those players are not nearly as valuable for their teams as Jokic is for the Nuggets and that's a fact, therefore Jokic is the true MVP always, people just too dumb to understand what MVP means. being a 1st seed has nothing to do with MVP as you can have multiple All-Stars on your team who do a lot of the job instead of you and can replace you when you are not playing. Take for example Celtics where Tatum plays with 4 other All-Star caliber players on his team, means he is not that valuable for his team because they can win without him most of the games.
M.V.P - Most VALUABLE Player... not 'best' player. Who is the most valuable to his team's ability to win? THAT is the MVP. That is Nikola Jokic. All you need to see is how Bruce Brown and Jeff Green are doing this season so far. They are good players and I was happy to see them get rings and their bags, BUT the Joker made them WAAYY better than they are 'natively.
It's funny to revisit the narrative a year ago on Jokic. It was considered basketball sacrilege to give three MVPs to a guy people didn't think was good enough to win the championship.
Same narrative as this time last year. It didn’t flip until the Kendrick Porkins slander in ~ the spring of this year (but last season). Crazy how fast the narrative-makers used Porkins to flip it with that disgusting fake racism bs
Whats even funnier is despite the team not being good enough due to teammate injuries, he was always a top playoff performer regardless and they were trying to argue for embiid who chokes and is a significantly worse performer with no conference finals... they were really trying so hard not to give jokic what he deserved
@@haroldfloyd5518 regardless of caring, he was better than Embiid by a wide margin last year. The media voting for Embiid was an embarrassment to the sports writing profession.
@@k_hack9441his 2nd mvp season? which was statistically the greatest season ever😂😂 how did he not deserve it ? hes even better this year than he was that season too dummy. Jokic is inevitable, he’s getting his 3rd
It's not even debatable anymore. I know other players are putting up great numbers, but Joker is on a whole another level, it's just unbelieveable. We just simply can't comprehend what he's really doing, but I'm sure we'll be able to understand how crazy his skillset is in 10 years max. There's 5-6-7 guys that will get MVP in any other era, with the numbers they are putting up, but Joker is just better. There has never been this much talent in the league, all at the same time, and I'm just thankful that I'm able to witness it all at once.
@@eriksports I'm in my 40s and saw lebron score 8 pts in a Finals game and join 2 superstars in his prime. You must be a little kid or black if you think lebron is even 50% the player Jokic is right now.
Agreed. When he was here.... it was more like to off-set the Nuggets because we were all injured and Jokic was running with a bunch of 2nd/3rd stringers. I felt like Austin Rivers was judged unfairly due to just the talent he was up against (Steph/Dame/Luka/Donovan Mitchel). But now that we're all back, we have Reggie Jackson now so if Rivers is ok being a vet PG/SG on the bench to help Reggie lead the bench unit???.... that's a W for us.
The MVP is basically a popularity contest and Jokic knows it. All he cares about is rings. Wilt should have won 7 straight MVP’s and I think he only won 2. Hakeem should have 2 more (and should have had 6 DPOY including the year Jordan won it) It is a meaningless award
'Steph Curry is arguably one of the best PG of all time...' No, no he isn't. His assist and steals stats are LIGHTYEARS worse than some of the top PG. the GSW do not actually use a true 'point guard' in their system. Really they have two SG who alternate bringing the ball up the court. No shade... Curry is obviously a first ballot HoF player... but not really as a 'point guard'.
There’s stats of dominant scorers which shouldn’t even compare to the jokic. He improves the whole team, not just himself and does everything on the court. Embiid doesn’t have the same impact compare to Jokic which makes it an easier argument. Feed into the media and all that nonsense.
@@CD-gk9ix you have the same problem as 90% of the rest of NBA fans. You look at basketball from a fantasy perspective. Basketball is played on two sides of the court. Giannis is 10x the defender Jokic is. Giannis has also outscored Jokic every year they have been in the league as well.
And the Nuggets are the third seed with no Murray for the majority of this time and Jokic is having a better overall season in fact he’s on pace for the best individual season a player has ever had so yeah Shai is great but Jokic is the MVP as of now
@@dolowrld7043 except the difference between the third seed and second seed is like one game right now so the seed itself doesn’t matter nearly as much when the west is so packed. Also Jokic won an MVP as a third seed and sixth seed because of the historical nature of his seasons and there is no reason that he shouldn’t win it this year because he’s on pace for an even better season.
@@nicholaskatsikas4904 nd that’s why he won’t get it again you can’t do worse than you did you have to do something you never did or Westbrook could’ve kept winnings mvps for averaging a triple double
@@dolowrld7043 he literally is breaking the record for the highest PER and BPM in a season while on pace for 15 WS and could average a 30 point triple as a center I think that’s pretty historic. Also Embiid literally won an MVP as a third seed last year so I don’t get your argument.
Haliburton is leading the league in assists. Right now, if Minnesota, Indiana or Boston breasts them out record wise, it's likely going to go to Tatum, Haliburton or Ant. If embiid keeps up his clip (he increased its assists as well), is going to be the same argument as last year
It won’t be the same, because all the racists that insisted on Embid last year ate so much crow during the playoffs that they will be much (okay, a little) quieter.
I mean, they are very talented and probably all future MVP's but if any of Tatum, Haliburton or Ant wins it this year, they might as well cancel the award, lol
@bububaba8815 barely 20 games in. Both minny and Boston have the leagues best record. Denver has only played 2 more games than Philly. It will likely come down to record and what happens when murray is back and fully healthy
Jokic is unreal
Nikola Jokic leads nba in points, assists, rebounds, points of his screens, deflections, plus minus, and many more ! Joker the real Goat
Jokic will need to maintain this level of play for several years to be in the GOAT conversation, but he probably will unless he suffers a terrible injury.
@@PlanetOfTheApes999 This is his 5th season doing this, he just had fully decimated and trash teams early on.
@@joemilo2710 I'm including the last four seasons of dominant play. You need at least nine or ten seasons of that to be in the GOAT conversation. Both MJ and LeBron maintained their peak form for at least ten years.
@@PlanetOfTheApes999 If LeBron is in the GOAT conversation then so is Jokic already. Jokic clears prime LeBron
Jokic also leads in worst defense
I agree with Austin, Joker is the best player in the league by far!!
Joker and he had a great connection in the playoffs '21 when they beat Portland in 6, without Jamal!
It’s really not close at all. Only way he doesn’t win is an injury
Austin was pretty dismissive of removing the defensive three second rule, but I wonder why. I think that would be an easy and relatively seamless way to help defenses. So what if you have someone camping in the paint? Less easy baskets at the rim would probably lead to more mid-range shooting anyway.
because its fucking boring to watch and they would hire more tall dudes who cant run or shoot cuz they can guard the basket
why would an athletic combo guard want that to happen😂 pretty sure hes still tryna get some league time and that rule change would definitely change the way these quick shifty guards attack and score
It would lead to jacking up even more 3s
Embiid cried his way to the MVP with the help of Kendrick Perkins.
Nobody asked for Austin Rivers.
I want to know what it would look like if joker got the calls the other guys get he gets about 6 ft per game and his arms look like they've went thru a shredder but other stars are averaging over 12 ft per game being barely touched
i’ve been saying this every time he goes in the post he gets assaulted
everyone went to play he goes to war
@@Li_Yifei He clears guys out of the way like they are Bosniaks.
Forreal he just got fined for flopping when dudes like LebRon flop 5x more per game for the last 2 decades without any punishment...
Exactly. You can see the scratches all over his arms a lot of the games. I wonder why he doesn't get the calls that others do.....
Every advanced stat says that the gap between jokic and the next best player in the league is significantly greater than the gap between either jordan or lebron and the next best player in the league at any point in their careers. The nuggets are by far the best team in the league whenever joker is on the court and are have a per minute point differential that ranks lower than the pistons and wizards whenever he’s off the court. His current BPM is 15.57, which would shatter his own all time record and suggests that hes having the greatest regular season in nba history. So yeah, he’s obviously the mvp and anyone who says otherwise is either ill-informed or just being a contrarian
I can see how Joel Embiid honestly thinks he's at the same level as Nikola Jokic as a center and as a NBA MVP, in a reality Jokic's in a completely different area code !
We can all or should all agree that Jokic took his foot off the MVPs throat after the Kendrick Perkins slander last season
This was definitely part of it. It was like he actively tried not to win the award after that.
The voters got scared by a black man playing the race card.
SMH.
And in deflections, Joker have 71
Jokic was denied history in the same way Bron and MJ were previously. Strange how a league that loves star building and historical narratives consistently denies dynastic individual play. Should be #4.....give it to the best/most important player (should be simple).
Jokic is white though...
MVP should be the best player on the best team just like the playoffs.
Exactly. They would do that for LeBron or Jordan 10x over before they would let it happen with Jokic even once.
I have a solution for this
@@4evahodlingdoge226 No, it should be the most valuable player on a winning record team. Most valuable player means he does most for his team to win and no one does most for his team than Jokic. He leads his team in points, assists and rebounds every season and most other basic and advanced statistics. No one else comes close to it in value for their team. Without Jokic Nuggets would be a lottery team while other top teams without their superstars would make the playoffs easy because they have other star players unlike Nuggets. This is proven by Nuggets always being the worst team in NBA when Jokic is not on the floor and by the fact that Nuggets have a losing record when Jokic is not playing while all other teams have a winning record. In example, last season and every season Bucks and 76ers have a winning record when Giannis and Embid are not playing, which means those players are not nearly as valuable for their teams as Jokic is for the Nuggets and that's a fact, therefore Jokic is the true MVP always, people just too dumb to understand what MVP means. being a 1st seed has nothing to do with MVP as you can have multiple All-Stars on your team who do a lot of the job instead of you and can replace you when you are not playing. Take for example Celtics where Tatum plays with 4 other All-Star caliber players on his team, means he is not that valuable for his team because they can win without him most of the games.
M.V.P - Most VALUABLE Player... not 'best' player. Who is the most valuable to his team's ability to win? THAT is the MVP. That is Nikola Jokic. All you need to see is how Bruce Brown and Jeff Green are doing this season so far. They are good players and I was happy to see them get rings and their bags, BUT the Joker made them WAAYY better than they are 'natively.
even if it were 'best player award' its still going to Jokic
It's funny to revisit the narrative a year ago on Jokic. It was considered basketball sacrilege to give three MVPs to a guy people didn't think was good enough to win the championship.
Same narrative as this time last year. It didn’t flip until the Kendrick Porkins slander in ~ the spring of this year (but last season). Crazy how fast the narrative-makers used Porkins to flip it with that disgusting fake racism bs
Whats even funnier is despite the team not being good enough due to teammate injuries, he was always a top playoff performer regardless and they were trying to argue for embiid who chokes and is a significantly worse performer with no conference finals... they were really trying so hard not to give jokic what he deserved
*4th straight REAL MVP
Yes a REAL one time mvp
@@k_hack9441 he's been the most valuable player to his team for 4 straight years and it's not close between him and number 2.
Everybody knows he’d be going for #4 in a row if he actually cared about it.
@@haroldfloyd5518 regardless of caring, he was better than Embiid by a wide margin last year. The media voting for Embiid was an embarrassment to the sports writing profession.
@@ClayClaydol not sure it was a “wide margin”
I think Jokic passing differentiates him from the pack. Also, yeah. Robbed last year.
Jokic is a special passer but he didn’t get robbed. He actually didn’t deserve his 2nd award.
@@k_hack9441 explain why. Statistically. I love Embiids game but he melted in playoffs
@@k_hack9441his 2nd mvp season? which was statistically the greatest season ever😂😂 how did he not deserve it ? hes even better this year than he was that season too dummy. Jokic is inevitable, he’s getting his 3rd
Regular season award buddy... @@mirzasakovic
Love how these guys avoiding stating the obvious that Embiid only got mvp cause of Perkins
It's not even debatable anymore. I know other players are putting up great numbers, but Joker is on a whole another level, it's just unbelieveable. We just simply can't comprehend what he's really doing, but I'm sure we'll be able to understand how crazy his skillset is in 10 years max. There's 5-6-7 guys that will get MVP in any other era, with the numbers they are putting up, but Joker is just better. There has never been this much talent in the league, all at the same time, and I'm just thankful that I'm able to witness it all at once.
Yeah and it's not even close right now. He's leading the league in points, rebounds, and assists. No competition
4th Straight MVP
Ooo, so where are all those people who were 2-3 years ago saying that Jokic is weak, we dont hear anything from them
Gonna be in the back with horse shiz on it got me!
Jokic is leading those stats for the entire league. Who else even leads those three categories on their own team?
Not just now he lead the whole fuckin play-offs in point, ast and reb.😮
@@berlin4103That's a lot easier because they had more games than most teams in the playoffs due to not being eliminated
UNBELIEVABLE-finally blind,biased media are coming to a reason-that Joker is the best player on the world!!
It’s silly to assume that the MVP is wrapped up this soon. We do this every year. 🙄
Austin Rivers look like Andrew Tate😂😂
Exactly I thought the same 😂
prime Jokic has a really large gap with prime Lebron
Jokic has been better than lebron ever was for a while now.
Jokic is incredible but you must be a kid who was born after 2014 if you think this.
@@eriksports I'm in my 40s and saw lebron score 8 pts in a Finals game and join 2 superstars in his prime. You must be a little kid or black if you think lebron is even 50% the player Jokic is right now.
@@aron.gortman racist troll
@@eriksportsyou can make an argument that Jokic peaked a tad bit higher than Lbj, but Lebron has been playing near that peak level for 10 years
@@andrej0145 Lebron Heat was completely dominant and ultra efficient too
Austin would still be an asset off the bench to handle the ball for the Nuggets.
Agreed. When he was here.... it was more like to off-set the Nuggets because we were all injured and Jokic was running with a bunch of 2nd/3rd stringers.
I felt like Austin Rivers was judged unfairly due to just the talent he was up against (Steph/Dame/Luka/Donovan Mitchel). But now that we're all back, we have Reggie Jackson now so if Rivers is ok being a vet PG/SG on the bench to help Reggie lead the bench unit???.... that's a W for us.
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If he's Stat Padding, it makes him the worst Stat Paddy in the history of NBA! He's around 50 triple double minus 1,called Sombor Double double!😂😂😂
What a ridiculous narrative! Yeah, he stat padded himself into an NBA Championship. Put the burner away, Kendrick Perkins! 😂
Rivers looks like andrew tate
The MVP is basically a popularity contest and Jokic knows it. All he cares about is rings. Wilt should have won 7 straight MVP’s and I think he only won 2. Hakeem should have 2 more (and should have had 6 DPOY including the year Jordan won it)
It is a meaningless award
What planet do we live on where he isn’t
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Nikola is the best player in the world. 💪
Austin walking W
Lebron played in the east soft conference he played in the west no way does win all those chips
He's gonna hand it in the back, in a yard or a barn with horse sh*t all over it 😅
the cohost sounds like Haliburton. lowkey looks like him too
Soon there will be no records for him to brake
IT SAME GAME EVERY y NO dIFERENT \
'Steph Curry is arguably one of the best PG of all time...' No, no he isn't. His assist and steals stats are LIGHTYEARS worse than some of the top PG. the GSW do not actually use a true 'point guard' in their system. Really they have two SG who alternate bringing the ball up the court. No shade... Curry is obviously a first ballot HoF player... but not really as a 'point guard'.
Finally someone to tell truth👏👏👏..no hate towards steph butt everything you said is true 1000%
Facts
Joker is nuts lol
👍
Facts
meh, bring back hand checking. too many "bully your way to the basket" buckets these days
Nick Wrong & Kendrick 2brain cells Perkins are both dying inside atm ..
Give me the ringer! The what...? THE RINGER DUDE!!!
There’s stats of dominant scorers which shouldn’t even compare to the jokic. He improves the whole team, not just himself and does everything on the court. Embiid doesn’t have the same impact compare to Jokic which makes it an easier argument. Feed into the media and all that nonsense.
Yo is that a black metal casioak on his wrist? I got the same watch on mine.
Guy on the left looks like Andrew Tate ngl
Total is not ppg, rb/gm, asst/gm
Put some respect on Drose name
The new Wilson ball is helping scoring! Last year something like 19/20 career best free throw shooters in the nba were above there career percentages.
Austin Rivers is legit
Jokic is like Bitcoin, simple and inevitable
Giannis is better than Jokic
Nah
On what planet? Jokic leads
The NBA 17 different statistical categories. Giannis can't say the same, as much as I'm a fan of Giannis.🤦♀️
@@TheSwedAsa and not one of them is ppg, asst/ gm, blk/ gm, etc.
Giannis is the most dominant two way player in the NBA
Got bitched by an 8th seed last year lol...yeah...he's so dominant lol...
Then why isn’t Giannis leading the league in points, rebounds, or assists?
@@sj4632injured for half the series lmao
@@CD-gk9ixGiannis played less games he averaged more points
@@CD-gk9ix you have the same problem as 90% of the rest of NBA fans. You look at basketball from a fantasy perspective. Basketball is played on two sides of the court. Giannis is 10x the defender Jokic is.
Giannis has also outscored Jokic every year they have been in the league as well.
Nah shai went from 10th seed to 2nd it this keeps up gotta give Chet Roy nd shai mvp
And the Nuggets are the third seed with no Murray for the majority of this time and Jokic is having a better overall season in fact he’s on pace for the best individual season a player has ever had so yeah Shai is great but Jokic is the MVP as of now
@@nicholaskatsikas4904 ehh 1st seed last year wit a ring nothing impressive about 3rd
@@dolowrld7043 except the difference between the third seed and second seed is like one game right now so the seed itself doesn’t matter nearly as much when the west is so packed. Also Jokic won an MVP as a third seed and sixth seed because of the historical nature of his seasons and there is no reason that he shouldn’t win it this year because he’s on pace for an even better season.
@@nicholaskatsikas4904 nd that’s why he won’t get it again you can’t do worse than you did you have to do something you never did or Westbrook could’ve kept winnings mvps for averaging a triple double
@@dolowrld7043 he literally is breaking the record for the highest PER and BPM in a season while on pace for 15 WS and could average a 30 point triple as a center I think that’s pretty historic. Also Embiid literally won an MVP as a third seed last year so I don’t get your argument.
There's no big gap, it's close between like 5-7 guys for mvp.
Haliburton is leading the league in assists. Right now, if Minnesota, Indiana or Boston breasts them out record wise, it's likely going to go to Tatum, Haliburton or Ant. If embiid keeps up his clip (he increased its assists as well), is going to be the same argument as last year
Uh no
They are talking about totals for a season so far.
It won’t be the same, because all the racists that insisted on Embid last year ate so much crow during the playoffs that they will be much (okay, a little) quieter.
I mean, they are very talented and probably all future MVP's but if any of Tatum, Haliburton or Ant wins it this year, they might as well cancel the award, lol
@bububaba8815 barely 20 games in. Both minny and Boston have the leagues best record. Denver has only played 2 more games than Philly. It will likely come down to record and what happens when murray is back and fully healthy
Finaly someone saying the way it is , Jesus ,politics everywhere , bravo