Feck playing murderball with a square water bottle. lol. On a serious note though, I used the 44 patt webbing in Malaysia, the metal water bottle and especially the tin mug were popular. Even the water bottle holder with two press studs seemed, to me anyway, better than the 58patt one.
Not speaking from experience but simply as an outside observer I wholeheartedly agree, it seems a shame they did not continue with the 1944 Pattern bottle and carrier.
The 44 Patt bottles were a bit naff, water always tasted awful and the mug burnt your lips. However the carrier was excellent. The only advantage of the 44 bottle was in extreme cold weather when you could heat the bottle easily if the water froze. US pattern metal mugs were always far better as you didn’t need 6 feet of maskers to insulate the lip and prevent burnt lips.
I have used a metal water bottle (with a metal mug) and the '58 pattern bottle with it's plastic mug. The best combination was, without doubt, the '58 bottle with a (privately purchased) metal mug. What was wrong? The pouch for the thing was too tight, especially when it was wet. What was right? You could cook in the metal mug! '58 pattern was actually quite good except for the waterbottle carrier and the large pack which was a useless abomination
Billy McKeown Hi Billy, I have used the 37, 44, 58 & US issued webbing and found the selection we used in 3 Para the easiest and hung on to it when I left for the Far East. We did use the plastic bottles but retained the metal mugs to brew in. We carried at least two water bottles but as I had to pack and drop with all my kit I kept the weight and bulk down to bare minimum and never used the mess tins. I use to have two sets of webbing, one in barracks and one at my married quarters, so I kept one set when I left as I was told that the NZ issue was crap. I am glad I did! Harera....
@@pierevojzola9737 I was originally issued a '44 W/B & mug but replaced the W/B with a '58 one. When my CEFO disappeared (long story) and I had to jack up a new set, I couldn't replace the 44 W/B pouch from stores, I used a US ALICE W/B pouch given to me by a Yank on exchange. It took the '44 mug - and I discovered later, the '95 mug. A bit high on the belt but with a rigged up belt loop (to lower it), it was perfect.
Two of the greatest mysteries in this world are: 1) How did ancient man build Stonehenge, and; 2) What were more educated men thinking when they designed the '58 Field Pack...
Those metal mugs were produced by BCB back in the late 80s and I saw the ads for them in magazines like Combat & Survival or Soldier, but at £20 back then they were a pricey bit of kit. Now BCB make the entire Crusader cup and stove which fit around the 58 pattern bottle.
@@simonsignolet5632 Apparently the 58 pattern webbing in it's entirety including the pack were not designed by men, but by seamstresses who designed it not on the basis of practicality in the field, but simplicity of manufacture.
Do you know when the use of the aluminum water bottle was discontinued? I came across one in the mid 70's it had been accidentally dropped on a training area and the bottom half ran over by a Landrover. As a collector of old kit I put a small amount of water inside and heated the whole thing up until it popped back into shape! The find was a one off as the 58 pattern was in use at that time.
there are some c1982 water bottles around, i had two on my webbing, which are khaki OG colour similar to the oval one made by Osprey and fitted with NBC drinking caps, they also have a plastic cup with metal handles. to fit the bottles. I don't know if you have seen them.
Always a good day when I see a video of yours. Quick question. Any idea where a bloke in Wyoming can find the proper mess tines? Lots of repro's of the "1944" pattern, with the rounded corners. Hope you can help me.
58 Pattern Bottle was OK, but most bought their own Metal Mugs to go with them! After all - who needs two mess tins in the field? Mess tins where designed for a different era - where cooked rations would be brought up.
I'm guessing you served mid 90s or later, before that ration packs contained the main items (bacon grill / burger, steak and kidney pudding, chicken curry etc.) in small tins. We used to pierce or dent the tin, place it in a mess tin and fill it up with water, put it on the hexy stove and after it boiled, use the water for a brew, or to reconstitute rolled oats / apple flakes, or wash & shave. The metal (Crusader) cups would have been too deep for this. They are however ideal for the pouch rations introduced early/mid 90s. I didn't see anyone with a metal cup for this reason.
Talking of water bottles do you know of any instances of British soldiers during ww2 using German or US water bottles. My British water bottle is rusty on the inside so I’d like something that I can actually drink from at events and was wondering if there is any historical proof ( photos/ firsthand accounts) of using captured or swapped equipment.
Depending on how bad the rust is. There are two ways to clean that out. First, find a good gun shop and pick up a bottle of blue and rust remover, pour into water bottle, follow instruction. Second, get a mess of 1/8 inch in diameter ball bearing, put into water bottle and shake/spin/tumble. I've done this will old WW2 US Canteens. Works very well. Hope this helps.
If you dent your water bottle change it, if it is rusty get another. There is footage of a British Infantry man with an Italian Water bottle fixed to the back of his Small pack as he landed into Italy . It is best not to be found with enemy equipment if you are taken.
I’ve seen a Lend Lease purchase order for more than one million US M-1910 canteens (and plenty of other US gear) apparently for use by British forces. I’ve never seen photos of Tommy using the stuff, so who knows where it went - but for the purpose of answering your question, I can offer the ever-helpful ‘maybe’.
@@longrider42 The US canteens are aluminium, the British water bottles were made from steel but we're internally and externally enameled. Once the enamel chips off it is no longer useable as the steel will rust and poison the water.
I was enlightened when you made your video on the 1962 Pattern Poncho, an item still universally refered to as the '58 poncho (Mk1). The waterbottle, mug and pouch adopted for use with the '58 web set was also introduced in 1962. Do you know if it's correct nomenclature is 1962 pattern? It's really bugging me!
Hi - Falklands era foot powder came in white plastic bottles but these are very rare compared to the similar later issue green bottle type - good luck hunting though.
The yugo messtin and water bottle set are rather good, if of light construction, the pouch wears out quickly, but if you accept East European style gear wear outs period and use it is very serviceable.... the British wish for a “brew” will have little or no time for the small cup.... “where’s me fooking brew ? That’s fooking shite that is mate!
Lad I knew was carrying one in 2009 that his dad carried through the Falklands in 1982. Surely has to be the longest-running bit of kit in service now?
@@downlink5877 I've still got mine that was issued to me when I joined up in '89. It's dated 1986 on it, great bits of kit. Still issued to this day I believe.
personally I'm convinced the designer of the 58 water bottle was obsessed with or influenced by eggs, think about it, put the cup on top and look at it with a bit of a squint and it looks like an egg that's been topped and tailed. or have I been over thinking it, more likely it was deaigned by a commitee and the end result was their best compromise, although some how they came up with what is still regarded today as a soldier proof bottle. 🤔
There's a strange almost OCD satisfaction to be had from an oblong canteen kit. I have one of the Yugoslavian/Serbian oblong kits, rarely use it but would never part with it due to just how right it appears.
I had to use the 37 pattern webbing in training, when i got to my unit it was 58 pattern, it was night and day.
I still have a green '58 pattern bottle in my garage issued 1971 IJLB Oswestry! Also '44 aluminium from my days in ANZUK. Great memories.
Want to sell your green water bottle?
Feck playing murderball with a square water bottle. lol.
On a serious note though, I used the 44 patt webbing in Malaysia, the metal water bottle and especially the tin mug were popular. Even the water bottle holder with two press studs seemed, to me anyway, better than the 58patt one.
Not speaking from experience but simply as an outside observer I wholeheartedly agree, it seems a shame they did not continue with the 1944 Pattern bottle and carrier.
The 44 Patt bottles were a bit naff, water always tasted awful and the mug burnt your lips. However the carrier was excellent. The only advantage of the 44 bottle was in extreme cold weather when you could heat the bottle easily if the water froze. US pattern metal mugs were always far better as you didn’t need 6 feet of maskers to insulate the lip and prevent burnt lips.
I have used a metal water bottle (with a metal mug) and the '58 pattern bottle with it's plastic mug. The best combination was, without doubt, the '58 bottle with a (privately purchased) metal mug.
What was wrong? The pouch for the thing was too tight, especially when it was wet.
What was right? You could cook in the metal mug!
'58 pattern was actually quite good except for the waterbottle carrier and the large pack which was a useless abomination
Billy McKeown Hi Billy, I have used the 37, 44, 58 & US issued webbing and found the selection we used in 3 Para the easiest and hung on to it when I left for the Far East. We did use the plastic bottles but retained the metal mugs to brew in. We carried at least two water bottles but as I had to pack and drop with all my kit I kept the weight and bulk down to bare minimum and never used the mess tins. I use to have two sets of webbing, one in barracks and one at my married quarters, so I kept one set when I left as I was told that the NZ issue was crap. I am glad I did! Harera....
@@pierevojzola9737 I was originally issued a '44 W/B & mug but replaced the W/B with a '58 one. When my CEFO disappeared (long story) and I had to jack up a new set, I couldn't replace the 44 W/B pouch from stores, I used a US ALICE W/B pouch given to me by a Yank on exchange. It took the '44 mug - and I discovered later, the '95 mug. A bit high on the belt but with a rigged up belt loop (to lower it), it was perfect.
Two of the greatest mysteries in this world are:
1) How did ancient man build Stonehenge, and;
2) What were more educated men thinking when they designed the '58 Field Pack...
Those metal mugs were produced by BCB back in the late 80s and I saw the ads for them in magazines like Combat & Survival or Soldier, but at £20 back then they were a pricey bit of kit. Now BCB make the entire Crusader cup and stove which fit around the 58 pattern bottle.
@@simonsignolet5632 Apparently the 58 pattern webbing in it's entirety including the pack were not designed by men, but by seamstresses who designed it not on the basis of practicality in the field, but simplicity of manufacture.
Do you know when the use of the aluminum water bottle was discontinued? I came across one in the mid 70's it had been accidentally dropped on a training area and the bottom half ran over by a Landrover. As a collector of old kit I put a small amount of water inside and heated the whole thing up until it popped back into shape! The find was a one off as the 58 pattern was in use at that time.
there are some c1982 water bottles around, i had two on my webbing, which are khaki OG colour similar to the oval one made by Osprey and fitted with NBC drinking caps, they also have a plastic cup with metal handles. to fit the bottles. I don't know if you have seen them.
I can definitely see why it was binned. Very Serb style boxy. bad for load carrying and pouching.
I found two of these at a shop in the US over the weekend, for only a few dollars each!
Always interesting 👍
Great video 👍
Always a good day when I see a video of yours. Quick question. Any idea where a bloke in Wyoming can find the proper mess tines? Lots of repro's of the "1944" pattern, with the rounded corners. Hope you can help me.
I've got a 1974 issue 58 bottle and 1972 cup
58 Pattern Bottle was OK, but most bought their own Metal Mugs to go with them! After all - who needs two mess tins in the field? Mess tins where designed for a different era - where cooked rations would be brought up.
I'm guessing you served mid 90s or later, before that ration packs contained the main items (bacon grill / burger, steak and kidney pudding, chicken curry etc.) in small tins. We used to pierce or dent the tin, place it in a mess tin and fill it up with water, put it on the hexy stove and after it boiled, use the water for a brew, or to reconstitute rolled oats / apple flakes, or wash & shave. The metal (Crusader) cups would have been too deep for this. They are however ideal for the pouch rations introduced early/mid 90s. I didn't see anyone with a metal cup for this reason.
Talking of water bottles do you know of any instances of British soldiers during ww2 using German or US water bottles.
My British water bottle is rusty on the inside so I’d like something that I can actually drink from at events and was wondering if there is any historical proof ( photos/ firsthand accounts) of using captured or swapped equipment.
Depending on how bad the rust is. There are two ways to clean that out. First, find a good gun shop and pick up a bottle of blue and rust remover, pour into water bottle, follow instruction. Second, get a mess of 1/8 inch in diameter ball bearing, put into water bottle and shake/spin/tumble. I've done this will old WW2 US Canteens. Works very well. Hope this helps.
If you dent your water bottle change it, if it is rusty get another.
There is footage of a British Infantry man with an Italian Water bottle fixed to the back of his Small pack as he landed into Italy .
It is best not to be found with enemy equipment if you are taken.
I’ve seen a Lend Lease purchase order for more than one million US M-1910 canteens (and plenty of other US gear) apparently for use by British forces. I’ve never seen photos of Tommy using the stuff, so who knows where it went - but for the purpose of answering your question, I can offer the ever-helpful ‘maybe’.
A lot depends if your NCOs permitted it..... a punch would have meant a no.
@@longrider42 The US canteens are aluminium, the British water bottles were made from steel but we're internally and externally enameled. Once the enamel chips off it is no longer useable as the steel will rust and poison the water.
I was enlightened when you made your video on the 1962 Pattern Poncho, an item still universally refered to as the '58 poncho (Mk1).
The waterbottle, mug and pouch adopted for use with the '58 web set was also introduced in 1962. Do you know if it's correct nomenclature is 1962 pattern? It's really bugging me!
The official nomenclature was “water canteen 58 patt equip”.
Does anyone know were I can buy a bottle of foot powder that they used in the falklands.
Will Robinson - FootPowder was just commercial Talcum powder!
The issue stuff turns up on eBay from time to time.
Rifleman Moore ok thanks
Hi - Falklands era foot powder came in white plastic bottles but these are very rare compared to the similar later issue green bottle type - good luck hunting though.
@@badgertheskinnycow I have a 1980 dated example of the green bottles. They are Falklands era.
not very far off the yugoslav type
www.mikesmilitaria.com/collections/gear/products/yugoslavian-mess-kit-with-czech-spork-used?variant=12421877923928
The yugo messtin and water bottle set are rather good, if of light construction, the pouch wears out quickly, but if you accept East European style gear wear outs period and use it is very serviceable.... the British wish for a “brew” will have little or no time for the small cup.... “where’s me fooking brew ? That’s fooking shite that is mate!
You can't beat the old bomb proof 58 water bottle.
It is an offensive Rugby ball
@@davidbrennan660 murder ball 😂
Lad I knew was carrying one in 2009 that his dad carried through the Falklands in 1982. Surely has to be the longest-running bit of kit in service now?
@@downlink5877 I've still got mine that was issued to me when I joined up in '89. It's dated 1986 on it, great bits of kit. Still issued to this day I believe.
personally I'm convinced the designer of the 58 water bottle was obsessed with or influenced by eggs, think about it, put the cup on top and look at it with a bit of a squint and it looks like an egg that's been topped and tailed. or have I been over thinking it, more likely it was deaigned by a commitee and the end result was their best compromise, although some how they came up with what is still regarded today as a soldier proof bottle. 🤔
I believe it was modelled on the '44 waterbottle, the idea being that it was a plastic version of it.
Квадратная фляжка гораздо утилитарнее яйцеобразной.
There's a strange almost OCD satisfaction to be had from an oblong canteen kit. I have one of the Yugoslavian/Serbian oblong kits, rarely use it but would never part with it due to just how right it appears.