Right on the 💵. And they seriously need to find a way out of these massive public trust holes (woke politics, DeSantis, Failing movies and shows, despicable leadership) before they can even deliver on fixing their existing parks.
9:04 There's actually a FOURTH potential site, based on the map--and with a bit of finessing, it's actually the biggest one: The big "red" (suitable) and "yellow" (marginally suitable) region between the west side of the Magic Kingdom and the north side of the golf courses. NOW...most of the "red" is closer to the golf courses, so obviously that's a noise issue...but the rest of the region is essentially freckled "red" and "yellow." Now obviously it'll require some work to upgrade the "marginally" suitable spots to full-on "red"...but it's been done before. So, again with some finesse, the northwest chunk of the property is a gold mine--maybe with a hotel or something put between the park and the golf courses, to manage the noise issue.
I'd far prefer that Disney put attention into the existing parks way before another park. So many rides seem to have issues frequent enough that you're unlikely to avoid an issue on a ride or have a temporary closure on your visit. And there is just an overall worn down-ness to a lot of things that it really takes the magic out of Disney. I deleted what was going to be a dissertation of my thoughts as it was filling my screen on just Magic Kingdom and part of EPCOT, but I think there is just so much that needs to be restored to original condition, put back in to operation, or replaced completely before even making improvements on things at the existing parks, let alone create a new park. I could see the argument for a new park to ease crowds on existing parks so that major improvements could be tackled (like a complete Tomorrowland overhaul). I enjoy going to the parks, but that's with an annual pass, I'd probably be depressed if was just tickets for a summer vacation.
Most people just like the idea of a new park. They will contort logic to fit their whim. Reality, Disney has one full day park (Magic Kingdom). They have a second, potential, full day park that requires billions in refurbishment (Epcot). And, two solid half day parks (Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom). Oh, and ignore the dumpster fire that is the company bleeding out money faster than a Russian oligarch’s bank account. All while burning economic bridges, over state politics, they never had any right getting involved in.
Disney laid off like 7’000 employees. They keep raising there prices. And Disney is getting rid of my favorite ride. Splash mountain. . All for princess and the frog? Really
Personally, I would LOVE them to add a theme park with a level of detail that matched Tokyo Disney Sea. A cool name could be Disney U.S.Sea like it’s the S.E.A’s US base. Would be great for them to finally incorporate some great steampunk elements as it’s so timeless & always seems to be a winner (Look at how well Phantasialand did it)
Disney has tried to build something similar to Tokyo Sea's in Long Beach, CA, back in the 90's (WESTCOT). Unfortunately, Disney did not have enough revenue to go through with the project. Disneyland, CA, has lost all chances for growth and is now land locked. Disney's only hope for growth is DisneyWorld. They better hurry because in the time it takes Disney to build trees and lands, Universal is down the road building new worlds and universes.
Westcot was going to be a clone of Epcot almost and it is WDW that is getting 12 billion dollars spent within 10 years, they could totally do something like DisneySea or on that level of theming
@Zara Jenkins It was not going to be a clone. Look at the renderings. It looks nothing like epcot. It's more similar to what Tokyo Sea looks like today. Southern California failed.
I agree. They do need to build something as impressive as Disney Sea. Because of Sea World, shouldn't be branded with Sea in the name, but it should have an explorer theme. Creating an exciting new world for us to venture into.
Adding this 5th park out near the All Star & Pop Century areas would also give more benefit to staying there and not having to travel "forever" to get to a park. Great point on using this as a way to expand the Skyliner - that would make it far more valuable.
I don't think Disney is doing a fifth park any time soon. It would be nice but.. I think Disney has too many other projects to focus on. Just my opinion
I tend to agree. The expansion of MK with a Coco and Encanto themed areas seems like a better use of funds in the short term but, a 5th park is a logical long term project. They should also figure out how to recoup their losses on the failed Star Wars hotel.
While we can all agree a Disney Sea style non-IP highly themed park would be amazing, I think we would likely see an “Epic Universe” style “no united theme/IP multiverse” park
I am personally tired of Disney's IP projects. To excite audiences about a new park, they should think outside the box and do something original. I'm having to pay extra money for it or sacrificing time at another to go to it, so it needs to blow my mind away.
I don't know if Disney would go for that, as it would be very close to Magic Kingdom in terms of multiple themed lands. I totally agree the most likely outcome is a bunch of IP attractions, but I think they'd need a specific theme to form the structure around them - with tenuous connections to the attractions, for sure. We currently have "Magic", "Real world" for Epcot? (roughly? idk? what do Disney think Epcot is?) , "Movies", and "Animals". "Seas" would be a good broad theme that's been proven to work - Moana area, DCA style pier area, as well as cribbing from Tokyo... What they no longer have that might be valuable, is a heavy emphasis on Animation. That might be a broad enough theme to give them a home for everything from Mickey Mouse to Pixar's latest. The third site listed is right by Art of Animation hotel....
@@bruceweatherly6559 Disney will never spend the billions required for a new park on a concept without IP. The financial risk would be absurdly high, and it would almost certainly fail. Think of the disaster that was the original Disney California Adventure Park, which has only been fixed by adding tons of IP.
Also they could save land for a bigger park by building parking garages! I’ve been telling my wife for years that they could actually add stuff to Epcot by building, parking garages and make use of the parking lot. Same thing at Hollywood Studios.
The parks will never be completed, so we will always have something to say as far as fixing up one of the current 4 parks. So its totally fine to consider a 5th gate. People keep saying to "fix" the current ones first, but why can't we consider a new park? Because we will forever be saying and finding something wrong with the current ones that would need fixing first. Why not build a new one where we could put all of our new ideas and after the new one is built, we can go back and continue updating the other 4. 😌
Truly you could better spend 15 billion just expanding and fixing up existing parks. Even a smaller expansion or new land can have a major effect on attendance. I was at Seaworld yesterday and the crowds were massive with opening of their new surf coaster. Also its a bit ironic but while people are angry with Disney over child grooming, Seaworld's parent company is the same as Bud Lite yet it doesn't seem to be hurting attendance.
Maybe the concern is that with a 5th park we'll have even more things to be disappointed over when they break. I can't believe how often the brand new, highly anticipated rides go down daily i.e. ROR, Remy's, etc. They closed down Peoplemover for quite a while a couple years back to fix the sensors and it's down daily now too. But, since everyone IS sick of feeling like a sardine-at least a 5th park would give more room to disperse.
I don't know why this isn't a bigger consideration by Disney. We book a lot of client trips for 4-6 days, and that is either three park days, or five (usually two at MK). However, adding a 5th park, would no doubt mean 6 park days for a lot of families, and that would also mean 8-9 nights at their resorts. That would be a HUGE gain for them! Seems like it would be a no brainer.
Well said Jack. It would make sense to have a 5th park with all the updates and changes Disney are going through. However, what would the park be centred around. I would love to hear more about this story for the 5th park developing.
Whatever they end up doing with a fifth park, if they build it at your suggestion location, it'd be a great way to replicate going between the Harry Potter lands at Universal, but for Star Wars instead. Repurpose the Starcruiser shuttles into something that transports guests between parks. Taking guests from the sequel era of Galaxy's Edge into another land themed for another era in the timeline. My personal choice would a prequel-era land so it has a more visually distinct look compared to Batuu. The Starcruiser itself could even be repurposed into a hub for guests park hopping while they wait for the shuttles.
Although a 5th gate is exciting, plus I would love to see it, the smart money says probably not. A better strategy might be to announce a multi park expansion plan that tells guests that all 4 parks will see major expansions, not replacements of current rides. Perhaps 20 to 50 acres each. I can see major expansion to Pandora, Galaxy's Edge, Epcot(maybe not) & Magic Kingdom. Disney is sort of doing this in Paris (sort of) plus there are tons of rumors about a Disney Villians land, Zootopia, Encanto etc.. I do like the idea of a "Nostalgia" park that celebrates past projects and history.
You are absolutely right. Especially due to the fact current attendance is at a record low. If every existing park has a major expansion it can help Disney compete against the Epic Universe but they also need to can all of their woke employees because the issues in florida are not as simple as Disney Vs a big bad mean Ron Desantis. It is about an out of state company trying to intimidate and threaten duly elected state legislators and the legal residents of Florida. BTW The concept of Reedy Creek Being special is very different when you have the educated perspective of an attorney that has set up many districts around FLorida. The only reason Reedy Creek was special is it was mismanaged and the company failed to live up to their promise of building an actual city and have the district to be run by the actual city residents. I too have thought of the district as being special but in fact it was just "A DISTRICT". The only thing actually special about it was how it was used to skirt paying taxes and how they raised billions in bonds. The district can issue billions in tax free bonds but if the company had control of the district and used it to evade millions in taxes this is a massive criminal act worse than ENRON. After all is said and done I want Disney World to prosper and expand and be a dream destination but they need to get out of politics and get out of the child grooming business. People want to love Disney and they want to give them huge amounts of money to experience the magic. The next few months will be very interesting to see how they avoid going bankrupt. They may have to sell off some of their overseas parks, it has been suggested by some people. But as you stated. It is not likely to see a 5th gate any time soon.
@Guided Meditation I think we can all agree that Disney has been not only good for Florida for the past 51 yrs, but great. In my humble opinion I am not really concerned about some of the taxes they may have avoided or "tricks" they benefitted from... I compare that to them being 1)the largest employer in the state 2) largest corporate tax payer despite avoiding some 3) the countless memories families have made 4)the massive tourism benefit to Florida etc. When you travel to Disney World, be honest, the grounds, the roads, the infrastructure are all well maintained. Including the resorts. The place is beautiful!!! There may be a few areas that need some love. Lastly, I don't consider Disney being involved in politics. Bob Chapek made the statement that got him in trouble after the 1st one he made was criticized by employees for not being strong enough. People have forgotten about his 1st. statement. For the record, I support giving parents control over what their children are exposed to. It's what most people believe is right. In 2yrs when DeSantis is gone and he is out of the limelight, this will not be a hot topic. The bigger issue for Disney is their financial well being. They got tricked into overpaying for Fox by Universal. They could have built Disney+ slowly and not all at once like they did. And they should have found a way to get the theme park rights to Marvel characters back.
I'm glad that they are finally finishing the Epcot dirt pit. But it'll need a lot more work to get it where it needs to be. Not even talking about new rides. The ones there need work.
@Im Tired16 I was at Epcot a couple of weeks ago and took a peek over the wall by standing on a garden area bench and there is a LOT of work to do. I am assuming they are done with the infrastructure work because it does not resemble anything.
Why not built more roller coasters? That way it will make room for thrill seekers who enjoy fast rides. Maybe Disney could include roller coasters just like Six Flags, Cedar Fair, and SeaWorld has.
The company currently has 209 million dollars in cash, and they are heavily leveraged with a 9-15 billion dollar contracted purchase of the remaining 33% of Hulu stock from Comcast. They are far from making any changes.
Disney has over a $1 billion in cash flow. As reported in Q2 2023. They also made $3.28 billion in operating profit. Which means that they are making around $12 billion a year in operating income. It’s all available in the earnings report to Wall Street.
@DSNY Newscast Cashflow is not available cash. If I have a bllion dollar cashflow but 800 million in outliers, then I only have 200 million in available cash. In the end, I want Walt's company to be successful, and they will be with some future adjustments.
They have not disclosed how much actual cash reserves they have. The $200 million mentioned is just someone saying that they have info. I agree that free cash flow and actual cash reserve is not the same. But FCF is the only publicly disclosed metric. There are many companies like Disney that have huge debts and very littler operating income coming in. And yet they continue to operate. Disney's economic matters is more complicated than saying they have no cash reserves and therefore will go bankrupt soon. At the end of the day, all of this doomsdaying around Disney is more wishful thinking by people wanting Disney to fail than actual evidence of real possibility of insolvency. If Disney was really that close to the edge then the vultures would be circling like in the 80s with the green mail scandal. And rest assured there are many big tech companies that would like to scoop Disney up if that was the case, Apple chief among them.
I really hope the current businessmen never plan to do that. I hate 90% of what they're doing in the US parks. They need to fix their current resorts first. There's a lot to expand, correct and perfect still.
How about Disney put that money into turning Animal Kingdom and Hollywood Studios into full day parks? Also, investing the necessary funds into Epcot’s still needed refurbishment (Space Ship Earth, Imagination, Sea Pavilion and/or Wonders of Life?..or another World Showcase attraction?). Also, they might want to look into spending more on maintenance, and investing in those monorails. The vehicles are extremely outdated, and the support pilings are crumbling. Edit: While they’re at it, spend more on cast and crew, since they deserve it.
@@letitburn4272 Agreed. If they put much money into Animal Kingdom by re-doing Dino to an immersive dino section, adding DisneySea, expand Pandora, and re-visit the Beast. This will put the Animal Kingdom on the map. As far as Hollywood Studios, go ahead with the Rock roller coaster with the Muppets, expanding on Batu, turn the failed Star Wars hotel into some kind of expanded day only experience. You can ride a shuttle from Batu to this ship using the current shuttle for the day excursion that was there. Do not tear it down, expand into it, adding additional space for Batu. I would do this. Batu can be the experience of Star Wars 7-9 and the hotel experience, re-do everything and bring Star Wars 3-6. I said three, because it is the beginning of Darth Vader, the last few minutes of episode three. This will give guests a choice between the old 4-6 and the new 7-9. In fact, the failed SW hotel can be a star destroyer. Re-do everything and it can branch of rides around the huge building all inside the huge destroyer, or even the second death star. EPCOT, I agree, another two nations would be great. If Universal was not an issue, turn all of the west side of EPCOT into Marvel and right side into some kind of nature and human side. But that cannot happen because Marvel is Universal's property in the east side. There are four theme parks in Disney World. No need for a fifth, just expand on what is there. Now, in 10 years, perhaps. For now, I do not think it is needed. What I like to see is Disney World adding several more intense, not-so-intense, and kiddie coasters so that Disney World as a whole can become the roller coaster capital of the world. All, with awesome theming. It can be done, especially with new ride technologies. Six Flags Magic Mountain has twenty roller coasters. Disney World, let's beat that and do twenty-two. I know Magic Mountain is one theme park, Disney World is four. But in one location, 22 roller coasters, that would be amazing.
They should focus on building other experiences outside of the theme parks. In a week long vacation, it’s pretty tiring to cover all of the existing parks they have and see everything there is to see. I really liked Disney Quest because it gave you something to do that was a little more low key than a full park and the technology seems to have caught up to the concept now.
What about a park that was geared to a slightly older audience with more thrill rides. This way it’s more appealing to the teenage and young adults demographic. Seeing some bigger thrill rides with Disney theming behind it would be awesome! Plus as the little kids get older Disney wouldn’t lose its appeal.
I strongly suspect that Disney doesnt even have funds to build a new park. Their debt is high and they would need to take another loan to do it with interest rates are extremely high. Disney needs to find some way to stop is financial bleeding...start making money and pay down it's cutrent debt first. Plus!!....at Disney's current construction speed? It would take them 10 years to buildca new park....im not even kidding!
Well, if chatter is to be believed, Comcast may want to take ESPN off Disney's hands. And if they do that... then not only would Disney get Comcast's ⅓ Hulu stake as part of the deal, but an additional $10 Billion as well. Which would help their debt ratio considerably.
Only if they return Tinker Bell to being the jealous, impulsive, wicked little fairy she was in 1953, not the goody-two-shoes barbie doll she became as an excuse to sell direct to video cheapquels and merch in the early 2000's.
There will NEVER be a 5th park in WDW, and there is a litany of reasons for that. Universal is actually learning some of those right now. A new gate actually doesn’t bring in more people, it divides them. Walt Disney World has all the people it can handle on a daily basis. Adding a 5th park just takes people away from the other parks. It happened when they added Animal Kingdom. It didn’t add to the total amount of visitors. It just pulled people from the other parks and activities. They have more than the number of parks they need. 4 is the highest that number will ever go.
Some day there could be a 5th but it really doesn't makes sense right now for many reason. For one is they have massive room to expand current parks and add new lands and also they are on the verge of bankruptcy with only 3 months left in operating capital. It is very sad but also not surprising given that movie after movie has flopped so badly and attendance is way down. But forgetting all the problems and imagining they have plenty of money to expand. It makes sense to add new lands to all four of their parks instead of adding a 5th gate. To tell the truth I think they should consider a second Disney Springs like offering that is connected to the new Bright Line wherever it eventually ends up connecting.
Epic universal actually seems like will bring more people to universal that actually wouldnt go at all before that the most notable feature was Harry Potter and it attracts more among the fans of it. There is a lot of Nintendo fans
Hey Jack, great video. I think that option three definitely makes the most sense on the corner of world Drive in Osceola Parkway as the placement for a fifth park. It was funny that you gave a nod to the fifth Park I have dreamt of for years. A legacy type park whether it is called something like Disney vintage, or Disney retro, or Legacy, Disney. It would be a park where all of those beloved rides and attractions that have been removed from the other parks, could be restored with updated technology for all of us that grew up, going to the parks in the 80s and 90s, and to be able to share in person with our children. The wonders of life pavilion with Cranium Command, the World of Motion, Horizons, the original Journey into Imagination ride with the Dream Finder and Figment, Mr. toads wild ride, Snow White’s scary adventure, the back Lot tour, and so many other rides and attractions that we grew up loving. How I long to be able to share these beloved rides and attraction with those that never had a chance to experience them while they were around. This is what I would do with the fifth Park. It would be a nostalgic way for all of those who also loved these original rides and attractions to experience them again.
My suggestion for the 5th park at Disney World is futuristically themed. And it's gonna be visually bigger than Tomorrowland with a bit of the contents found at Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser which will be defunct in no time.🚀
Yeah the Starcruiser is gonna flop. But Disney has enough IPs to do a general science fiction themed resort that could be split between retro space age sci-fi, space fantasy (Star Wars), and computers (Tron).
This has 1 caviot. Universal must let disney have its " no marvel on east side of mississippi " clause taken out. For the 5th park... WAKANDA! I know it sounds crazy but a 5th park based around the MCU and Marvel as a whole would be amazing. There is so many IP within Marvel, so much potential, so much wandering characters as most of them are human or humanoid. It could potentially compete with Epic Universe on a scale hither to undreamt of.
I personally think it’s likely that they would simply close the ESPN complex to build up the park in that location. I have heard through the years that the complex was built as a future expansion for a 5th park. It has the utilities already on-site. It has the infrastructure of Victory Way built to go straight into the property, as well as exits, roads, and ramps built to go there. It’s simply a perfect location tucked just far enough out of the normal areas to be a great location.
@@shelleybullard601 another space could be built elsewhere on the property at a smaller scale, if they desired to keep the minimal business they get outside of Varsity events. Otherwise, there are plenty of other venues that can host these types of things. Disney is a company with a desire to make money, and a park at the location would make more stable income than a sport complex. That is whenever they decide its time to make more money, change will occur.
I would want to see a park themed to the 4 seasons, Winter, Spring, Summer, and Fall. I think there’s a lot of room to work with IPs and original ideas that can fit into each season. Make the park icon a Sun-like structure and have each section revolve around it. I think it’s a great theme to add to a place like Florida, where it’s only summer year round, but you’re not married to a rigid theme like conservation at animal kingdom. If you pick an IP to theme a ride around, you just need the setting to match that season. And there are endless possibilities for original ideas in each season.
5th gate… Disneys Super Heroic Adventure Multiple Marvel areas with Avengers tower/NYC/Spider-Man/Dr Strange Bleeker Street (Sanctum), a Wakanda land, and a space area for Asgard/Xander/Knowhere/etc. Could also add X-men down the road. DISNEY…BUY THE THEME PARK RIGHTS FROM UNIVERSAL!!! Incredibles land Big Hero 6 land Sky-High land
A fifth park isn't additive in any way. It's actually reductive. Families from out of state typically only have one week for vacation, and 2 of those days are travel days giving the family 5 days. Between 4 major parks, 2 water parks, and Disney Springs, it would be next to impossible to squeeze in another full park, and NO ONE I know would be willing to give up a day at one of the existing parks to see some new park. What Disney needs to focus on is expanding and growing the current 4 parks. Adding at least 3 new offerings to each park (for a total of 12) along with new shops and eating, WOULD be the equivalent of a whole new smaller park, without increasing ticket prices or requiring additional vacation days.
I've heard this rumor but I think it's unlikely to happen. 1.) Disney doesn't have a park in Singapore. 2.) Disney does not own or operate the Tokyo Disneyland Resort. The Oriental Land Company does. They just pay licensing fees to Disney. So Disney could not sell it as they don't own it to begin with. 3.) Hong Kong Disneyland usually loses money so I don't think anyone would be interested in buying it. 4.) The Paris resort is finally profitable after 30 years of losing money. This is probably the most likely to be sold if any of them get sold but even then I don't think it's that likely. 5.) Shanghai is half-owned by the Chinese government. Unless the government decides to buy out Disney's half, I think it's unlikely it will get sold. 6.) Disney's US parks are far too profitable for Disney to ever want to sell them.
I was watching some universal videos and had an idea for Disney in case anyone from WDI is listening. What if Disney did something in each park similar to Universals “tribute” stores? There are still lots of Spaces unopened in the Disney Parks (think storefronts). We also know that there is a huge fan base nostalgic for past rides and shows. So what if Disney opened some of these spaces as tribute stores to “Horizons”, “20,000 Leagues”; The great movie ride”; etc. it would be cool to have a movie or VR of the ride POV playing in the back of the store so that we could show our kids the Disney we grew up with and then have your merch and props scattered around the store with the old ride music playing in the background. I think that would be a great idea to infill some space in the parks and keep the history of the parks alive and well for future generations!
100% agree with the ESPN area. Personally, I would like to see a park filled with massive, immersive dark rides and lands; designed a bit like Universal's Diagon Alley/Knockturn Alley, so there is plenty of shade. It might include Zootopia, Moana, Avatar the way of water, Encanto, Coco, which could all be designed indoors with simulated daytime and nighttime transformations throughout each day. (I grew up in FL and have always been able to handle intense sun and heat, but recent trips to FL have felt a bit too hot in July/August/Sept. And it will likely get worse thinking long-term. If Mall of America can put more than 100 acres indoors, so can Disney.)
I agree with you that the last option for land for a 5th park makes more sense. Now, what type pf theme park would be cool to have???? That´s a great question. Maybe the 5th park can have the following: Some sort of villan area using all the villians from all the Disney movies? Or, a park that has former rides from the other parks. I read that they´re going to be demaloshing Dinoland Usa for either Zootopia or Moana Land (or something like that.) If/when that happens they could create a 5th park that has the Dinosaur Park (and other Dinoland Usa experieences) and make it even better. Have a log flume ride like the one in Universal Studios, the Dinosaur Ride that could be relocated to this park, a similation ride (like the one that they used to have in Epcot called Body Wars,) etc. Maybe they can build the Indiana Jones ride that Disneyland has in this new park. Or, now that Disney owns Fox (and I think all the movies that Fox used to own like Alien and Predator) wouldn´t it be cool to use some of thoes ip´s in this new park? Inmagine mix rides (a walk through with a similation ride and a ride similar to Dinosaur) of the history of the Predator franchise, the Alien franchise and then AVP? That´ll be so cool. A walk though (kinda like the one that they had at Universal Studios Florida a while back during an HHN event that the walk through with the 2nd AVP movie (or at least a few scenes from the movie), then you´ll go through a similator ride (like the Body Wars ride that was at Epcot), and then a ride like Dinosaur (but obviously with Alien and Predator in which you´ll be on the side of the predator who wins the battle towrds the end of the ride.) Then have two different resturants which is designed by certain scenes from the franchises. One resturant would be made to look like the jungle from the original predator movie (with cast members dressed as the charecters from that specific movie and with the predator wondering around the resturant also.) And a resturant that has aspects of certain scenes from the 1st or 2nd Alien movie with (again) cast members dressed as charecters from thoes movies with the Alien running around the resturant, etc. Ofcourse there would be signs stating that little kids could get scared going on these attractions/experiences. I mean there is so much stuff that can be done since DIsney owns Fox (at least the entertainment part.) Or, they could do a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle experience/show. Or, a Might Morphen Power Ranger experience. A show in which a few audience members get choosen to be either on the Power Ranger side or the Villian side. They´ll get to dress up as one of the Ranger or an assistant to the Villan. Kinda like the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular in Hollywwod Studios. The difference is that the guests will get to take a pic with all the actors/actresses after the show (as a momento) maybe keep the costume (or some part of it) and get to see behind the scenes of how the show id done. That´ll be so cool. It´ll be cool to see them have The Great Movie Ride, Horizons, World of Motion, Malestrom, Backlot Tour, etc. They could also build new hotels that have activities for all ages. I think that it´ll be so cool if they offered cooking classes for the guests (not just the children though.) I would love to take a class in making freak shakes or baking cakes that look like Disney charecters (not just Mickey Mouse either though.) The hotels would offer babysitting services so that the adults can have some time alone. Maybe go see a movie, out to dinner, go back to the park and go on the rides without the kids, go to the spa, go do some of thoes behind the scenes tours, etc. I also agree that they should also fix all the older rides/ the rides that are currently having issue working correctly. There is so much potencial when it comes to making things work better at Disney World. The question is though.... Would they be actually willing to spend the money for a new park or to fix the rides/attractions that aren´t working too well at the moment.
Since Universal is now trying to Disney style family friendly parks, I would love to see a 5th WDW park that is a Universal style with more mature themes and a focus on thrill rides. They could fill the park with all the newly acquired 20th Century IP they can't use in other parks like Alien, Predator, Die Hard, Planet Of The Apes, Kingsman, Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, ect
What ever Disney does, I hope they try to preserve wild areas as much as possible, as that is the difference between Disney World and every other theme park in the world.
Thanks for the fun topic but down vote this idea. They can't fix a fourth of their rides and short so much transportation already. No capital for a new park please.... Please!
I would also love Disney to do a hunchback of Notre dame ride it’s one of my favorite Disney movies from the reinassance and seeing frollo and Esmeralda as animatronics would be so magical and so stunning
Imo, everything will be pushed for 'Disneyland Forward' in Anaheim for the additional parks(s). A best it would be a 'flat-line' competition for Disney to build another 'traditional' park in the Orlando region in order to compete against Universal...there is no way that Disney will be able to pull away enough guests from Epic Universe to dominate Universal economically. That 'Bright-Line' train has left the station with Universal being so far ahead of Disney with Epic Universe. BUT, Disney could easily be competitive in Florida with a policy of 'Plusing' the EXISTING parks with that 17 billion...including the 2 or 3 new 'lands' for the Magic Kingdom. The situation is flipped in California> Disney dominates and always will...no-way for Universal to change that reality. There is no land for any Disney competitor to 'cheaply' build on anymore. 'Disneyland Foward' is it and in moving ahead with that project Disney would keep their 'grip' on S. California for another 50+ years.
Very preliminary plans in the 1960’s had the Magic Kingdom sited at that southern plot where ESPN. That plan was abandoned early on as property taxes were lower in the Orange County portion of the property and Walt wanted to guests to have that building anticipation as they traveled World Drive to a park that was not immediately visible from the highway.
I do believe a location near the Wide World of Sports Complex could work. Whatever this 5th park should include, I highly suggest having Discovery Bay finally coming to reality. The lore of S.E.A. is already expansive in Disney World the other global parks, but I think they should kick up a notch. I know Fortress Exploration is the main hub in Tokyo but I think Florida should have the same treatment. Perhaps we could have a Jason Chandler attraction that can expand BTM further and maybe connect to say Jungle Cruise, Journey to the Center of the Earth, etc. Also whenever the tv show or movie comes out they can add some tie-ins as well and maybe some character meet and greets from the Shinji Takahashi books.
I would love a womderland immersive land alice in wonderland is just such a rich world that has a lot of fans in general and i dont feel is Explored enough by Disney. The classic wizard of Oz movie is owed by Warner tho so i dont think they would used
Great video. You can see the passion of the fan base based on these comments. While I would love a 5th gate, I do agree we need upgrades in 1-4 first. Magic Kingdom needs a lot of help, I like the ideas of expanding MK with Coco, Encanto and a Villains Land. 'Its a Small World' needs transformed into a Tangled boat ride which makes the theming of that area much improved, while changing the Pinocchio restaurant into the Snuggly Duckling. The biggest issue with MK is Tomorrowland and how disappointing it is. Stitch remains closed and unused, Astroblasters seems dated when compared with other shooting attractions, Space Mountain needs a massive refurb which they should copy the Tokyo DL upgrade and Tomorrowland Speedway still using gas and not electric cars doesn't feel very 'tomorrow'. Epcot is still messy with the 5 year construction project for trees and paths. Imagination needs gutted, we all love Figment, but massive changes are needed. My biggest gripe is that each nation in the Showcase should have an attraction. Canada would be great with a log flume ride. UK with a Mary Poppins dark ride and definitely not an indoor carousel. France is good now. Morocco is in desperate need of an attraction, perhaps an outdoor coaster that stays low to the ground and around regional artifacts. Japan needs a Mt. Fuji coaster, this is my number 1. Italy needs a gondola ride that goes through Venice. Germany needs the Rhine River Cruise that almost happened. Add a new pavilion with Brazil and an immersive rain forest river rapids attraction (as this expansion lot is massive and maybe we can contain the visiting Brazilian crowds there). China needs a Mulan dark ride. Lastly, expand the Gran Fiesta Tour and theme to a Coco dark ride. Disney Studios has improved a lot in the past few years but needs a bit more of a nudge. Remove the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular and create a mini land with the Indiana Jones Adventure dark ride and a mouse coaster themed with the mine carts but add an indoor segment with effects. This would take us to an actual Muppets Land which will update Muppet Vision 3D, add in an omni-mover/scaled down version of the Great Muppet Movie Ride and an interactive Muppet meet-and-greet. We need to connect Toy Story Land to the Sunset Blvd and this will be by adding a clone of Cars Land from DCA. Cars Land should cover from Toy Story Land to the Rockin' Rollercoaster. Animal Kingdom is a half day park and needs the most work. Expand Avatar to include an E-ticket 'Way of the Water' attraction and more dining. Follow through with the discussed Moana and Zootopia changes to Dinoland USA. Add an Americas section and include animals found in NA and SA. This provides an opportunity to add a coaster based on the American eagle and maybe something on bears. Once we get all this (or better ideas than my scribbles) completed, then lets talk 5th gate. By then I am hoping the Marvel rights will be figured out and we can have the most incredible Marvel themed New York/Avengers Campus park.
You’ve thought about this a lot! I like much of it, except some eliminations like Small World (iconic, memorable). I totally agree with a ride at each land at Epcot, it’s so surprising that hasn’t been done yet! The only concepts I don’t like are changing some well-planned, iconic attractions with cheap-seeming 2-Dimensional cartoon movie events - they’re doing enough of that. Let’s keep some of the class.
Here’s my idea for Disney world expansion…. Disney Springs. Add a mini theme park expansion to Disney Springs with Fantasy Springs and Radiator Springs. The shopping district would probably still be free and you buy a ticket to get into the theme park. Perhaps Typhoon Lagoon would also be associated? The hotels are there, the transportation is there, the parking spaces are there, and the desire to visit fantasy springs and radiator springs is also there!! I don’t think fantasy springs would be an exact replica, in order to make sense with what is already at Disney world. I could even see Frozen being replaced with Moana in our version.
Great investigative and video editing work here! I agree with you on the reasons explained that the last location would be the best option for the a fifth park! As for what the theme should be, I think it should be more Pixar focused or Marvel focused if they can ever secured the rights to more of those characters at their parks!
I would love to sea a combination of Tokyo DisneySea and a park with various lands of historical time periods. Example, an area dedicated to Greek mythology with perhaps a fun boat ride featuring characters from Hercules. I wouldn't want the park to be too heavy on intellectual properties though. Another example would be an area with ride dedicated to the Renaissance. You could easily combine historical areas with rides like Journey to the Center of the Earth. Welcome to Disney's Forgotten Kingdom!
As a recent graduate of the Disney College Program I can say with full confidence that the Western Way location would be the most unlikely location as the road was backed up all the time due to it being small and the bottle neck that would occur when an accident would happen made it impossible to move both cast members and guests. And they happened quite a few times causing 30+ minute delays. All the other CP’s would joke about the ESPN location being a great spot for a potential 5th gate because of the low guest traffic to the area when it wasn’t marathon season.
I agree with you Jack. The 3 spot is the best choice. What I would like to see is a similar replica of Fantasy Springs including a Beauty and the Beast area Making 4 areas total along with Frozen, Peter Pan/Tinker Bell, Tangled ! I think it would be a slam dunk keeping in competition with Epic Universe.
We need a villain's theme park...that location would be perfect for it too! Or even near the Magic Kingdom, but like you said it may disrupt the guests staying at the cabins. The ideas running through my head of what could go at that last location...Maleficent castle in the middle of the park...just to name one idea.
I think in addition to a large scale park Disney should try their luck with a boutique park where they can cap the amount of people who visit while using ideas that are too small in scale for a regular theme park but too big for a land. For example if they didn’t shove Star Wars into a land concept they could’ve done this as an experiment to test the waters. Having it be boutique would make the interactions more intimate but not full on LARPing like the Star Wars hotel wanted and there would be a handful of rides that fit into the story if you do want to follow the story of the park to the fullest extent. The only problem is getting Disney to care enough about a project like this.
I agree with your third option for the location! For ideas, make a Frozen land and Avengers Campus in the park! I know Avengers Campus is difficult to do with Universal, but in the amount of time it would take to build a park (probably 4-6 years), they should be able to get the rights to Avengers Campus!
I would say they need to get their current 4 parks fixed up before they focus on a 5th. I'm sure we don't want to see a 5th park filled with projector rides and poor themeing.
I know this is an odd suggestion, but I’d actually like to see them add a back entrance into MK. It could enter into the proposed Villains area which could then connect on one side to an expansion of Fantasyland and onto the other side to beyond Thunder Mountain. Then, they could honestly move Frontierland and put a New Orleans Square where the current one is therefore kind of solving an issue you mentioned in a previous video.
I can get it but anything that majorly messes wish Phase one, Walt’s dream and vision, bugs me. I know all things change but we don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water, as they say. However, I could see why you would think this.
Flamingo crossings has become more than just a space for cast members. Its a space for all the new homeowners of the new developments off of Avalon Rd. It will become a heartbeat for traffic that doesnt have enough space for cars already.
We believe that the problems reported since 2020 at WDW have 3 main causes: the high prices Chapek initiated, irresponsible (adult) Guests, and the current situation in Florida. We urge Disney to re-hire all the Cast Members let go in 2020-22 to help maintain the Parks and assist Guests, before expanding in any form.
I love the Disney SEA idea. With most of the work already done because of the park in Japan. I would also love to see the Adventurers Club from Pleasure Island resurrected in some form. Maybe part Frozen Sing-A-Long and part Olga's cantina but with the Adventurers telling their stories.
They really should expand Galaxy's edge and incorporate a legacy actual star wars theme to it. But they may sell Star Wars back to George Lucas so I don't know how that would work.
I would love a 5th park based on the 60s and 70s classic movies like 101 Dalmatians, the sword in the stone, the jungle book, The rescuers, Robin Hood, the aristocats and yeah they could do a Ferris wheel ride also which would be the Icon
Yes I always pass right by the espn complex and it’s a huge area of land they have there. I think a fifth park will fit there perfectly! Hope we do get an announcement for a 5th gate in the next D23! Plus like you said connecting the skyliner to the new park would be greatly beneficial for everyone due to Disney not having to spend too much because of the proximity.
How about building out EPCOT?! As you know there is plenty of space and updating to be realized just in that one park. Or building out the Dino area of AK as we’ve been teased with blue sky concepts?! I could go on and on. Over and over and over at WDW they dream it all up, then slash budgets, then dumb it all down and eventually cancel most of it and what isn’t cancelled is often just a shell of the original announcement to expand or update.
I think that this “fifth park” should focus completely on their animation division: I say this because Hollywood Studios doesn’t really focus on animation. Disney’s animation really lends itself to highly themed areas (just look at Arendelle in Hong Kong, or the Beauty And The Beast ride in Tokyo. There’s a neat limitless pool of creative possibilities here, and it could be more lucrative than epic universe. And Disneys already made some lands that could be import
So I have 4 ideas for a Disney 5th gate; 1. Disney’s Tragic Kingdom (based on villains) 2. A Pixar theme park 3. A sister park to Disney’s California Adventure (Disney’s Florida Adventure) 4. A park celebrating the newest Disney IP (from like 2010 on)
I agree. But they need to not repeat Disney Sea. Instead be forward thinking go for a future themed and newly imagined fantasy worlds. What really makes more sense is if Disney were to just do major expansions and its existing parks and perhaps add another way to get from the parking lot to the Magic kingdom.
This issue is the theme of the park, realistically there isn’t a Disney theme that doesn’t fit into an existing park. People have suggested Pixar & animation but that then affects DHS reducing what can be used there. Also when Toy Story land is at DHS that would potentially be an issue for a Pixar park as to how Toy Story should or shouldn’t be included in it There is the legacy park idea which I can’t really comment on as I don’t actually know what it would include
great minds think alike I was just thinking DisneyQuest because they can expand cyberspace mountain and make that a upgraded version of Tomorrowland bringing WALL-E & stitch and characters that relate to technology and thrill rides so agree with you
Honestly, Jack!!! There no more new plans for the fifth Theme park at Walt Disney World Resort anymore!!! Only a new land and attractions could be expansions in across tbe four existing parks!!! And then, Ron DeSantis gets fired for being ruined everything!!!! And apparently, i want to see a sneak preview of every upcoming attractions and projects at EPCOT and Disney Parks, Experiences and Products in Destination D23 2023 at WDW in September!!! Because i believe that "Spaceship Earth: Our Shared Story" as fifth renovations of this ride in World Celebration, new unnamed Mary Poppins teacup spinner ride in United Kingdom Pavilion, new Wondrous China film in China Pavilion and PLAY! Pavilion in World Discovery, are ALL still PUT ON HOLD at EPCOT when the construction is done!!!!
Honestly, what we dream up as armchair imagineers probably doesn’t come close to all the plans and incredible ideas just sitting in a Disney archive or office somewhere. I mean, what else did joe Rhode or Tony Baxter dream up that has yet to see the light of day? Seeing pictures of the old model of Epcot with Mt Fuji AND the Matterhorn still makes me really fantasize about what Disney world could be. Could you imagine world showcase with two mountains? Incredible! Honestly, All the parks could use several more smaller and larger attractions before a new park gets built. I hope that 17 billion goes to some grand expansion to the already existing parks
I have long been enamored with the idea of a legacy attraction park to move aging rides to as well as acting as a museum to the history of the parks/company. The theming could be a bit like Paris with a number of large studio buildings that things are moved into for 'storage.' I personally also think that there is a great opportunity in having a ski resort/indoor waterpark with some outdoor fair-weather rides somewhere near the population centers of the northeast (Pocono mts, upstate NY...). This would make it more physically accessible to a large number of people who can't make it to Florida for an extended trip. It would be smaller and only be pulling people in for a day or two or a weekend, and would not be as grand as WDW, but would allow families to experience the 'Disney Magic' closer to home.
At THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I wonder what IDEA DISNEY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE, to fill an entire new park?! Please fill the void in EPCOT first, make a possible EXTENSION to Magic Kingdom ( Frozen Land, Rapunzel or Villains Lair etc..) Pls NO MORE IP's like Marvel or that kind of stuff..
There is SO much work they need to do in their current parks at World where I feel like it would be absurd to even consider a fifth park.
Yes!
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Absolutely.
Right on the 💵. And they seriously need to find a way out of these massive public trust holes (woke politics, DeSantis, Failing movies and shows, despicable leadership) before they can even deliver on fixing their existing parks.
Finally someone who gets it quality over quantity
9:04 There's actually a FOURTH potential site, based on the map--and with a bit of finessing, it's actually the biggest one: The big "red" (suitable) and "yellow" (marginally suitable) region between the west side of the Magic Kingdom and the north side of the golf courses. NOW...most of the "red" is closer to the golf courses, so obviously that's a noise issue...but the rest of the region is essentially freckled "red" and "yellow." Now obviously it'll require some work to upgrade the "marginally" suitable spots to full-on "red"...but it's been done before. So, again with some finesse, the northwest chunk of the property is a gold mine--maybe with a hotel or something put between the park and the golf courses, to manage the noise issue.
I'd far prefer that Disney put attention into the existing parks way before another park. So many rides seem to have issues frequent enough that you're unlikely to avoid an issue on a ride or have a temporary closure on your visit. And there is just an overall worn down-ness to a lot of things that it really takes the magic out of Disney. I deleted what was going to be a dissertation of my thoughts as it was filling my screen on just Magic Kingdom and part of EPCOT, but I think there is just so much that needs to be restored to original condition, put back in to operation, or replaced completely before even making improvements on things at the existing parks, let alone create a new park. I could see the argument for a new park to ease crowds on existing parks so that major improvements could be tackled (like a complete Tomorrowland overhaul). I enjoy going to the parks, but that's with an annual pass, I'd probably be depressed if was just tickets for a summer vacation.
Maintenance at the existing parks does need to step it up.
Most people just like the idea of a new park. They will contort logic to fit their whim. Reality, Disney has one full day park (Magic Kingdom). They have a second, potential, full day park that requires billions in refurbishment (Epcot). And, two solid half day parks (Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom). Oh, and ignore the dumpster fire that is the company bleeding out money faster than a Russian oligarch’s bank account. All while burning economic bridges, over state politics, they never had any right getting involved in.
Disney laid off like 7’000 employees. They keep raising there prices. And Disney is getting rid of my favorite ride. Splash mountain. . All for princess and the frog? Really
A new park means thousands of new jobs.
@@FifthGateprovided YOU wish to work for the CCP!!
Personally, I would LOVE them to add a theme park with a level of detail that matched Tokyo Disney Sea.
A cool name could be Disney U.S.Sea like it’s the S.E.A’s US base.
Would be great for them to finally incorporate some great steampunk elements as it’s so timeless & always seems to be a winner (Look at how well Phantasialand did it)
Disney has tried to build something similar to Tokyo Sea's in Long Beach, CA, back in the 90's (WESTCOT). Unfortunately, Disney did not have enough revenue to go through with the project. Disneyland, CA, has lost all chances for growth and is now land locked. Disney's only hope for growth is DisneyWorld. They better hurry because in the time it takes Disney to build trees and lands, Universal is down the road building new worlds and universes.
Westcot was going to be a clone of Epcot almost and it is WDW that is getting 12 billion dollars spent within 10 years, they could totally do something like DisneySea or on that level of theming
@Zara Jenkins It was not going to be a clone. Look at the renderings. It looks nothing like epcot. It's more similar to what Tokyo Sea looks like today. Southern California failed.
I agree. They do need to build something as impressive as Disney Sea. Because of Sea World, shouldn't be branded with Sea in the name, but it should have an explorer theme. Creating an exciting new world for us to venture into.
Disneys Atlantic Kingdom would be a perfect name for that…
Adding this 5th park out near the All Star & Pop Century areas would also give more benefit to staying there and not having to travel "forever" to get to a park. Great point on using this as a way to expand the Skyliner - that would make it far more valuable.
I don't think Disney is doing a fifth park any time soon. It would be nice but.. I think Disney has too many other projects to focus on. Just my opinion
agreed!
Although the parks make up most of their revenue.
yea
Sadly, Splash Mountain got replaced.
I tend to agree. The expansion of MK with a Coco and Encanto themed areas seems like a better use of funds in the short term but, a 5th park is a logical long term project. They should also figure out how to recoup their losses on the failed Star Wars hotel.
While we can all agree a Disney Sea style non-IP highly themed park would be amazing, I think we would likely see an “Epic Universe” style “no united theme/IP multiverse” park
I’m just home from Disney Sea and the lack of IP, for me, made it less magical
I am personally tired of Disney's IP projects. To excite audiences about a new park, they should think outside the box and do something original. I'm having to pay extra money for it or sacrificing time at another to go to it, so it needs to blow my mind away.
@@bruceweatherly6559 meow. Epcot was that until now!~
I don't know if Disney would go for that, as it would be very close to Magic Kingdom in terms of multiple themed lands. I totally agree the most likely outcome is a bunch of IP attractions, but I think they'd need a specific theme to form the structure around them - with tenuous connections to the attractions, for sure. We currently have "Magic", "Real world" for Epcot? (roughly? idk? what do Disney think Epcot is?) , "Movies", and "Animals". "Seas" would be a good broad theme that's been proven to work - Moana area, DCA style pier area, as well as cribbing from Tokyo...
What they no longer have that might be valuable, is a heavy emphasis on Animation. That might be a broad enough theme to give them a home for everything from Mickey Mouse to Pixar's latest. The third site listed is right by Art of Animation hotel....
@@bruceweatherly6559 Disney will never spend the billions required for a new park on a concept without IP. The financial risk would be absurdly high, and it would almost certainly fail. Think of the disaster that was the original Disney California Adventure Park, which has only been fixed by adding tons of IP.
Also they could save land for a bigger park by building parking garages! I’ve been telling my wife for years that they could actually add stuff to Epcot by building, parking garages and make use of the parking lot. Same thing at Hollywood Studios.
Apparently the fifth park will be a Florida state prison. 😅
Made specifically for DeSantis
The parks will never be completed, so we will always have something to say as far as fixing up one of the current 4 parks. So its totally fine to consider a 5th gate. People keep saying to "fix" the current ones first, but why can't we consider a new park? Because we will forever be saying and finding something wrong with the current ones that would need fixing first. Why not build a new one where we could put all of our new ideas and after the new one is built, we can go back and continue updating the other 4. 😌
Truly you could better spend 15 billion just expanding and fixing up existing parks. Even a smaller expansion or new land can have a major effect on attendance. I was at Seaworld yesterday and the crowds were massive with opening of their new surf coaster. Also its a bit ironic but while people are angry with Disney over child grooming, Seaworld's parent company is the same as Bud Lite yet it doesn't seem to be hurting attendance.
Maybe the concern is that with a 5th park we'll have even more things to be disappointed over when they break. I can't believe how often the brand new, highly anticipated rides go down daily i.e. ROR, Remy's, etc. They closed down Peoplemover for quite a while a couple years back to fix the sensors and it's down daily now too. But, since everyone IS sick of feeling like a sardine-at least a 5th park would give more room to disperse.
I don't know why this isn't a bigger consideration by Disney. We book a lot of client trips for 4-6 days, and that is either three park days, or five (usually two at MK). However, adding a 5th park, would no doubt mean 6 park days for a lot of families, and that would also mean 8-9 nights at their resorts. That would be a HUGE gain for them! Seems like it would be a no brainer.
Well said Jack. It would make sense to have a 5th park with all the updates and changes Disney are going through. However, what would the park be centred around. I would love to hear more about this story for the 5th park developing.
Whatever they end up doing with a fifth park, if they build it at your suggestion location, it'd be a great way to replicate going between the Harry Potter lands at Universal, but for Star Wars instead.
Repurpose the Starcruiser shuttles into something that transports guests between parks. Taking guests from the sequel era of Galaxy's Edge into another land themed for another era in the timeline. My personal choice would a prequel-era land so it has a more visually distinct look compared to Batuu.
The Starcruiser itself could even be repurposed into a hub for guests park hopping while they wait for the shuttles.
Although a 5th gate is exciting, plus I would love to see it, the smart money says probably not. A better strategy might be to announce a multi park expansion plan that tells guests that all 4 parks will see major expansions, not replacements of current rides. Perhaps 20 to 50 acres each. I can see major expansion to Pandora, Galaxy's Edge, Epcot(maybe not) & Magic Kingdom. Disney is sort of doing this in Paris (sort of) plus there are tons of rumors about a Disney Villians land, Zootopia, Encanto etc.. I do like the idea of a "Nostalgia" park that celebrates past projects and history.
You are absolutely right. Especially due to the fact current attendance is at a record low. If every existing park has a major expansion it can help Disney compete against the Epic Universe but they also need to can all of their woke employees because the issues in florida are not as simple as Disney Vs a big bad mean Ron Desantis. It is about an out of state company trying to intimidate and threaten duly elected state legislators and the legal residents of Florida. BTW The concept of Reedy Creek Being special is very different when you have the educated perspective of an attorney that has set up many districts around FLorida. The only reason Reedy Creek was special is it was mismanaged and the company failed to live up to their promise of building an actual city and have the district to be run by the actual city residents.
I too have thought of the district as being special but in fact it was just "A DISTRICT". The only thing actually special about it was how it was used to skirt paying taxes and how they raised billions in bonds. The district can issue billions in tax free bonds but if the company had control of the district and used it to evade millions in taxes this is a massive criminal act worse than ENRON. After all is said and done I want Disney World to prosper and expand and be a dream destination but they need to get out of politics and get out of the child grooming business. People want to love Disney and they want to give them huge amounts of money to experience the magic. The next few months will be very interesting to see how they avoid going bankrupt. They may have to sell off some of their overseas parks, it has been suggested by some people. But as you stated. It is not likely to see a 5th gate any time soon.
@Guided Meditation I think we can all agree that Disney has been not only good for Florida for the past 51 yrs, but great. In my humble opinion I am not really concerned about some of the taxes they may have avoided or "tricks" they benefitted from... I compare that to them being 1)the largest employer in the state 2) largest corporate tax payer despite avoiding some 3) the countless memories families have made 4)the massive tourism benefit to Florida etc. When you travel to Disney World, be honest, the grounds, the roads, the infrastructure are all well maintained. Including the resorts. The place is beautiful!!! There may be a few areas that need some love. Lastly, I don't consider Disney being involved in politics. Bob Chapek made the statement that got him in trouble after the 1st one he made was criticized by employees for not being strong enough. People have forgotten about his 1st. statement. For the record, I support giving parents control over what their children are exposed to. It's what most people believe is right. In 2yrs when DeSantis is gone and he is out of the limelight, this will not be a hot topic. The bigger issue for Disney is their financial well being. They got tricked into overpaying for Fox by Universal. They could have built Disney+ slowly and not all at once like they did. And they should have found a way to get the theme park rights to Marvel characters back.
I'm glad that they are finally finishing the Epcot dirt pit. But it'll need a lot more work to get it where it needs to be. Not even talking about new rides. The ones there need work.
@Im Tired16 I was at Epcot a couple of weeks ago and took a peek over the wall by standing on a garden area bench and there is a LOT of work to do. I am assuming they are done with the infrastructure work because it does not resemble anything.
Why not built more roller coasters? That way it will make room for thrill seekers who enjoy fast rides. Maybe Disney could include roller coasters just like Six Flags, Cedar Fair, and SeaWorld has.
The company currently has 209 million dollars in cash, and they are heavily leveraged with a 9-15 billion dollar contracted purchase of the remaining 33% of Hulu stock from Comcast. They are far from making any changes.
Disney has over a $1 billion in cash flow. As reported in Q2 2023. They also made $3.28 billion in operating profit. Which means that they are making around $12 billion a year in operating income. It’s all available in the earnings report to Wall Street.
@DSNY Newscast Cashflow is not available cash. If I have a bllion dollar cashflow but 800 million in outliers, then I only have 200 million in available cash. In the end, I want Walt's company to be successful, and they will be with some future adjustments.
They have not disclosed how much actual cash reserves they have. The $200 million mentioned is just someone saying that they have info. I agree that free cash flow and actual cash reserve is not the same. But FCF is the only publicly disclosed metric. There are many companies like Disney that have huge debts and very littler operating income coming in. And yet they continue to operate. Disney's economic matters is more complicated than saying they have no cash reserves and therefore will go bankrupt soon. At the end of the day, all of this doomsdaying around Disney is more wishful thinking by people wanting Disney to fail than actual evidence of real possibility of insolvency. If Disney was really that close to the edge then the vultures would be circling like in the 80s with the green mail scandal. And rest assured there are many big tech companies that would like to scoop Disney up if that was the case, Apple chief among them.
I really hope the current businessmen never plan to do that. I hate 90% of what they're doing in the US parks. They need to fix their current resorts first. There's a lot to expand, correct and perfect still.
I think expansions of the four existing parks would be the better option. Your video on the haunted mansion restaurant was great!
And some Parks really need more good rides
Haunted Mansion restaurant, YESSSSSS!!!!
How about Disney put that money into turning Animal Kingdom and Hollywood Studios into full day parks? Also, investing the necessary funds into Epcot’s still needed refurbishment (Space Ship Earth, Imagination, Sea Pavilion and/or Wonders of Life?..or another World Showcase attraction?). Also, they might want to look into spending more on maintenance, and investing in those monorails. The vehicles are extremely outdated, and the support pilings are crumbling. Edit: While they’re at it, spend more on cast and crew, since they deserve it.
@@letitburn4272 Agreed.
If they put much money into Animal Kingdom by re-doing Dino to an immersive dino section, adding DisneySea, expand Pandora, and re-visit the Beast. This will put the Animal Kingdom on the map.
As far as Hollywood Studios, go ahead with the Rock roller coaster with the Muppets, expanding on Batu, turn the failed Star Wars hotel into some kind of expanded day only experience. You can ride a shuttle from Batu to this ship using the current shuttle for the day excursion that was there. Do not tear it down, expand into it, adding additional space for Batu. I would do this. Batu can be the experience of Star Wars 7-9 and the hotel experience, re-do everything and bring Star Wars 3-6. I said three, because it is the beginning of Darth Vader, the last few minutes of episode three. This will give guests a choice between the old 4-6 and the new 7-9. In fact, the failed SW hotel can be a star destroyer. Re-do everything and it can branch of rides around the huge building all inside the huge destroyer, or even the second death star.
EPCOT, I agree, another two nations would be great. If Universal was not an issue, turn all of the west side of EPCOT into Marvel and right side into some kind of nature and human side. But that cannot happen because Marvel is Universal's property in the east side.
There are four theme parks in Disney World. No need for a fifth, just expand on what is there. Now, in 10 years, perhaps. For now, I do not think it is needed.
What I like to see is Disney World adding several more intense, not-so-intense, and kiddie coasters so that Disney World as a whole can become the roller coaster capital of the world. All, with awesome theming. It can be done, especially with new ride technologies. Six Flags Magic Mountain has twenty roller coasters. Disney World, let's beat that and do twenty-two. I know Magic Mountain is one theme park, Disney World is four. But in one location, 22 roller coasters, that would be amazing.
@@letitburn4272there is no room to expand at world showcase.
They should focus on building other experiences outside of the theme parks. In a week long vacation, it’s pretty tiring to cover all of the existing parks they have and see everything there is to see. I really liked Disney Quest because it gave you something to do that was a little more low key than a full park and the technology seems to have caught up to the concept now.
That's probably what they'll do with the Starcruiser building. Convert it into 2-3 hour LARP missions that run 5 or 6 times daily.
What about a park that was geared to a slightly older audience with more thrill rides. This way it’s more appealing to the teenage and young adults demographic. Seeing some bigger thrill rides with Disney theming behind it would be awesome! Plus as the little kids get older Disney wouldn’t lose its appeal.
This is what needs to happen. A good number of Roller coaster and rides that have more action for teenagers and adults. Agree!!
They could then incorporate ESPN
I keep saying open a Disney Classic Park, return some of the great rides they closed down. They already have the plans, so a cheap win-win option.
@@crunch1757they will be selling espn soon
I feel like that’s what Holly wood studios is, but I agree that they still should
The one with the ESPN world wide of sports is most likely going to be a Simpsons theme just like Legoland did it with Peppa pig
I strongly suspect that Disney doesnt even have funds to build a new park. Their debt is high and they would need to take another loan to do it with interest rates are extremely high. Disney needs to find some way to stop is financial bleeding...start making money and pay down it's cutrent debt first.
Plus!!....at Disney's current construction speed? It would take them 10 years to buildca new park....im not even kidding!
Well, if chatter is to be believed, Comcast may want to take ESPN off Disney's hands. And if they do that... then not only would Disney get Comcast's ⅓ Hulu stake as part of the deal, but an additional $10 Billion as well. Which would help their debt ratio considerably.
If they build Neverland, they should also build Pixie Hollow and bring back the other fairies meet and greets.
Only if they return Tinker Bell to being the jealous, impulsive, wicked little fairy she was in 1953, not the goody-two-shoes barbie doll she became as an excuse to sell direct to video cheapquels and merch in the early 2000's.
Pixie hollow would be so wonderful for a themed area
There will NEVER be a 5th park in WDW, and there is a litany of reasons for that. Universal is actually learning some of those right now. A new gate actually doesn’t bring in more people, it divides them. Walt Disney World has all the people it can handle on a daily basis. Adding a 5th park just takes people away from the other parks. It happened when they added Animal Kingdom. It didn’t add to the total amount of visitors. It just pulled people from the other parks and activities. They have more than the number of parks they need. 4 is the highest that number will ever go.
Some day there could be a 5th but it really doesn't makes sense right now for many reason. For one is they have massive room to expand current parks and add new lands and also they are on the verge of bankruptcy with only 3 months left in operating capital. It is very sad but also not surprising given that movie after movie has flopped so badly and attendance is way down.
But forgetting all the problems and imagining they have plenty of money to expand. It makes sense to add new lands to all four of their parks instead of adding a 5th gate. To tell the truth I think they should consider a second Disney Springs like offering that is connected to the new Bright Line wherever it eventually ends up connecting.
Epic universal actually seems like will bring more people to universal that actually wouldnt go at all before that the most notable feature was Harry Potter and it attracts more among the fans of it. There is a lot of Nintendo fans
I'd go with option 3, have them build a Discovery Bay park, Add in all the rides they once had, but updated with new tech
Honestly what they should do is work on there existing parks and adding more and improving before they consider working on a new park
Hey Jack, great video. I think that option three definitely makes the most sense on the corner of world Drive in Osceola Parkway as the placement for a fifth park. It was funny that you gave a nod to the fifth Park I have dreamt of for years. A legacy type park whether it is called something like Disney vintage, or Disney retro, or Legacy, Disney. It would be a park where all of those beloved rides and attractions that have been removed from the other parks, could be restored with updated technology for all of us that grew up, going to the parks in the 80s and 90s, and to be able to share in person with our children. The wonders of life pavilion with Cranium Command, the World of Motion, Horizons, the original Journey into Imagination ride with the Dream Finder and Figment, Mr. toads wild ride, Snow White’s scary adventure, the back Lot tour, and so many other rides and attractions that we grew up loving. How I long to be able to share these beloved rides and attraction with those that never had a chance to experience them while they were around. This is what I would do with the fifth Park. It would be a nostalgic way for all of those who also loved these original rides and attractions to experience them again.
I would go!
My suggestion for the 5th park at Disney World is futuristically themed. And it's gonna be visually bigger than Tomorrowland with a bit of the contents found at Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser which will be defunct in no time.🚀
Yeah the Starcruiser is gonna flop. But Disney has enough IPs to do a general science fiction themed resort that could be split between retro space age sci-fi, space fantasy (Star Wars), and computers (Tron).
EPCOT already has a future theme though?
@@alvarofernandez5118 I don't wan't contractors to build it though.
This has 1 caviot. Universal must let disney have its " no marvel on east side of mississippi " clause taken out.
For the 5th park... WAKANDA! I know it sounds crazy but a 5th park based around the MCU and Marvel as a whole would be amazing. There is so many IP within Marvel, so much potential, so much wandering characters as most of them are human or humanoid.
It could potentially compete with Epic Universe on a scale hither to undreamt of.
I personally think it’s likely that they would simply close the ESPN complex to build up the park in that location. I have heard through the years that the complex was built as a future expansion for a 5th park. It has the utilities already on-site. It has the infrastructure of Victory Way built to go straight into the property, as well as exits, roads, and ramps built to go there. It’s simply a perfect location tucked just far enough out of the normal areas to be a great location.
Good point. I don't really think that the ESPN WWS complex was that popular anyways, so it'd be a perfect spot.
But what about the kids? Their sports events? Unless they just moved ESPN. It does seem old
@@shelleybullard601 another space could be built elsewhere on the property at a smaller scale, if they desired to keep the minimal business they get outside of Varsity events. Otherwise, there are plenty of other venues that can host these types of things. Disney is a company with a desire to make money, and a park at the location would make more stable income than a sport complex. That is whenever they decide its time to make more money, change will occur.
Very good points. But, see another location on the map as well. But, you did a great job.
It is incredibly evident how much work you put into thinking about this!
I would want to see a park themed to the 4 seasons, Winter, Spring, Summer, and Fall. I think there’s a lot of room to work with IPs and original ideas that can fit into each season. Make the park icon a Sun-like structure and have each section revolve around it. I think it’s a great theme to add to a place like Florida, where it’s only summer year round, but you’re not married to a rigid theme like conservation at animal kingdom. If you pick an IP to theme a ride around, you just need the setting to match that season. And there are endless possibilities for original ideas in each season.
Name for the park?
@@WMFilms25 Something along the lines of Enchanted Seasons or Wonderful Seasons. Personally Four Seasons Would be great but it’s taken.
This is one of the best takes I've seen on theming for a fifth Disney park.
@@michaelthebishop5290 Much appreciated!! 👍🏻
So Frozen, Encanto, Luca and Coco.
5th gate…
Disneys Super Heroic Adventure
Multiple Marvel areas with Avengers tower/NYC/Spider-Man/Dr Strange Bleeker Street (Sanctum), a Wakanda land, and a space area for Asgard/Xander/Knowhere/etc. Could also add X-men down the road. DISNEY…BUY THE THEME PARK RIGHTS FROM UNIVERSAL!!!
Incredibles land
Big Hero 6 land
Sky-High land
A fifth park isn't additive in any way. It's actually reductive. Families from out of state typically only have one week for vacation, and 2 of those days are travel days giving the family 5 days. Between 4 major parks, 2 water parks, and Disney Springs, it would be next to impossible to squeeze in another full park, and NO ONE I know would be willing to give up a day at one of the existing parks to see some new park. What Disney needs to focus on is expanding and growing the current 4 parks. Adding at least 3 new offerings to each park (for a total of 12) along with new shops and eating, WOULD be the equivalent of a whole new smaller park, without increasing ticket prices or requiring additional vacation days.
Excellent reporting, Jack! Phenomenal video!
Glad you really enjoyed this one, I had A LOT of fun making it!
Love this easy to follow yet detailed break down Jack!
If rumours are true they need money first.
Aparently Iger is looking at selling the parks in Paris, Singapore, Japan and other parks.
I've heard this rumor but I think it's unlikely to happen.
1.) Disney doesn't have a park in Singapore.
2.) Disney does not own or operate the Tokyo Disneyland Resort. The Oriental Land Company does. They just pay licensing fees to Disney. So Disney could not sell it as they don't own it to begin with.
3.) Hong Kong Disneyland usually loses money so I don't think anyone would be interested in buying it.
4.) The Paris resort is finally profitable after 30 years of losing money. This is probably the most likely to be sold if any of them get sold but even then I don't think it's that likely.
5.) Shanghai is half-owned by the Chinese government. Unless the government decides to buy out Disney's half, I think it's unlikely it will get sold.
6.) Disney's US parks are far too profitable for Disney to ever want to sell them.
@@michaelordway419 Hong Kong is also owned by the goverment
Jack- this is an outstanding vlog!! Loved all the facts and aspects you spoke about!! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! It’s one I’ve been thinking about doing for a while 😀
I was watching some universal videos and had an idea for Disney in case anyone from WDI is listening. What if Disney did something in each park similar to Universals “tribute” stores? There are still lots of Spaces unopened in the Disney Parks (think storefronts). We also know that there is a huge fan base nostalgic for past rides and shows. So what if Disney opened some of these spaces as tribute stores to “Horizons”, “20,000 Leagues”; The great movie ride”; etc. it would be cool to have a movie or VR of the ride POV playing in the back of the store so that we could show our kids the Disney we grew up with and then have your merch and props scattered around the store with the old ride music playing in the background. I think that would be a great idea to infill some space in the parks and keep the history of the parks alive and well for future generations!
100% agree with the ESPN area. Personally, I would like to see a park filled with massive, immersive dark rides and lands; designed a bit like Universal's Diagon Alley/Knockturn Alley, so there is plenty of shade. It might include Zootopia, Moana, Avatar the way of water, Encanto, Coco, which could all be designed indoors with simulated daytime and nighttime transformations throughout each day.
(I grew up in FL and have always been able to handle intense sun and heat, but recent trips to FL have felt a bit too hot in July/August/Sept. And it will likely get worse thinking long-term. If Mall of America can put more than 100 acres indoors, so can Disney.)
Forget Disney. Many great amusement parks in this country as well like Six Flags and other local amusement parks
I agree with you that the last option for land for a 5th park makes more sense. Now, what type pf theme park would be cool to have???? That´s a great question. Maybe the 5th park can have the following: Some sort of villan area using all the villians from all the Disney movies? Or, a park that has former rides from the other parks. I read that they´re going to be demaloshing Dinoland Usa for either Zootopia or Moana Land (or something like that.) If/when that happens they could create a 5th park that has the Dinosaur Park (and other Dinoland Usa experieences) and make it even better. Have a log flume ride like the one in Universal Studios, the Dinosaur Ride that could be relocated to this park, a similation ride (like the one that they used to have in Epcot called Body Wars,) etc. Maybe they can build the Indiana Jones ride that Disneyland has in this new park. Or, now that Disney owns Fox (and I think all the movies that Fox used to own like Alien and Predator) wouldn´t it be cool to use some of thoes ip´s in this new park? Inmagine mix rides (a walk through with a similation ride and a ride similar to Dinosaur) of the history of the Predator franchise, the Alien franchise and then AVP? That´ll be so cool. A walk though (kinda like the one that they had at Universal Studios Florida a while back during an HHN event that the walk through with the 2nd AVP movie (or at least a few scenes from the movie), then you´ll go through a similator ride (like the Body Wars ride that was at Epcot), and then a ride like Dinosaur (but obviously with Alien and Predator in which you´ll be on the side of the predator who wins the battle towrds the end of the ride.) Then have two different resturants which is designed by certain scenes from the franchises.
One resturant would be made to look like the jungle from the original predator movie (with cast members dressed as the charecters from that specific movie and with the predator wondering around the resturant also.) And a resturant that has aspects of certain scenes from the 1st or 2nd Alien movie with (again) cast members dressed as charecters from thoes movies with the Alien running around the resturant, etc. Ofcourse there would be signs stating that little kids could get scared going on these attractions/experiences. I mean there is so much stuff that can be done since DIsney owns Fox (at least the entertainment part.) Or, they could do a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle experience/show. Or, a Might Morphen Power Ranger experience. A show in which a few audience members get choosen to be either on the Power Ranger side or the Villian side. They´ll get to dress up as one of the Ranger or an assistant to the Villan. Kinda like the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular in Hollywwod Studios. The difference is that the guests will get to take a pic with all the actors/actresses after the show (as a momento) maybe keep the costume (or some part of it) and get to see behind the scenes of how the show id done. That´ll be so cool. It´ll be cool to see them have The Great Movie Ride, Horizons, World of Motion, Malestrom, Backlot Tour, etc.
They could also build new hotels that have activities for all ages. I think that it´ll be so cool if they offered cooking classes for the guests (not just the children though.) I would love to take a class in making freak shakes or baking cakes that look like Disney charecters (not just Mickey Mouse either though.) The hotels would offer babysitting services so that the adults can have some time alone. Maybe go see a movie, out to dinner, go back to the park and go on the rides without the kids, go to the spa, go do some of thoes behind the scenes tours, etc. I also agree that they should also fix all the older rides/ the rides that are currently having issue working correctly. There is so much potencial when it comes to making things work better at Disney World. The question is though.... Would they be actually willing to spend the money for a new park or to fix the rides/attractions that aren´t working too well at the moment.
Your videos are INCREDIBLE! This was amazing.
Since Universal is now trying to Disney style family friendly parks, I would love to see a 5th WDW park that is a Universal style with more mature themes and a focus on thrill rides. They could fill the park with all the newly acquired 20th Century IP they can't use in other parks like Alien, Predator, Die Hard, Planet Of The Apes, Kingsman, Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, ect
That’s why they made MGM/Hollywood studios. They built it to have their own version of universal studios.
Number 3 for the 5th theme park in 2028 Opening date.
What ever Disney does, I hope they try to preserve wild areas as much as possible, as that is the difference between Disney World and every other theme park in the world.
Thanks for the fun topic but down vote this idea. They can't fix a fourth of their rides and short so much transportation already. No capital for a new park please.... Please!
What a detailed and amazing video 👏 I agree with the land near ESPN and think a Villian Park would be amazing! Theresa 😊xo
Super informative video! Love the use of the photoshop generative AI for the satellite photos!
I would also love Disney to do a hunchback of Notre dame ride it’s one of my favorite Disney movies from the reinassance and seeing frollo and Esmeralda as animatronics would be so magical and so stunning
A Disney sea version would be really nice
Imo, everything will be pushed for 'Disneyland Forward' in Anaheim for the additional parks(s).
A best it would be a 'flat-line' competition for Disney to build another 'traditional' park in the Orlando region in order to compete against Universal...there is no way that Disney will be able to pull away enough guests from Epic Universe to dominate Universal economically.
That 'Bright-Line' train has left the station with Universal being so far ahead of Disney with Epic Universe.
BUT, Disney could easily be competitive in Florida with a policy of 'Plusing' the EXISTING parks with that 17 billion...including the 2 or 3 new 'lands' for the Magic Kingdom.
The situation is flipped in California> Disney dominates and always will...no-way for Universal to change that reality. There is no land for any Disney competitor to 'cheaply' build on anymore.
'Disneyland Foward' is it and in moving ahead with that project Disney would keep their 'grip' on S. California for another 50+ years.
Very preliminary plans in the 1960’s had the Magic Kingdom sited at that southern plot where ESPN. That plan was abandoned early on as property taxes were lower in the Orange County portion of the property and Walt wanted to guests to have that building anticipation as they traveled World Drive to a park that was not immediately visible from the highway.
I do believe a location near the Wide World of Sports Complex could work.
Whatever this 5th park should include, I highly suggest having Discovery Bay finally coming to reality. The lore of S.E.A. is already expansive in Disney World the other global parks, but I think they should kick up a notch. I know Fortress Exploration is the main hub in Tokyo but I think Florida should have the same treatment. Perhaps we could have a Jason Chandler attraction that can expand BTM further and maybe connect to say Jungle Cruise, Journey to the Center of the Earth, etc. Also whenever the tv show or movie comes out they can add some tie-ins as well and maybe some character meet and greets from the Shinji Takahashi books.
Disney is very far from adding a 5th park. They need to fix the parks they have in place now
How about a theme after time periods
We need a neverland, wonderland, the emerald city immersive lands!!!
Also the enchanted forest can be the hub! We just need more fantasy !!!
I would love a womderland immersive land alice in wonderland is just such a rich world that has a lot of fans in general and i dont feel is Explored enough by Disney. The classic wizard of Oz movie is owed by Warner tho so i dont think they would used
Great video. You can see the passion of the fan base based on these comments. While I would love a 5th gate, I do agree we need upgrades in 1-4 first.
Magic Kingdom needs a lot of help, I like the ideas of expanding MK with Coco, Encanto and a Villains Land. 'Its a Small World' needs transformed into a Tangled boat ride which makes the theming of that area much improved, while changing the Pinocchio restaurant into the Snuggly Duckling. The biggest issue with MK is Tomorrowland and how disappointing it is. Stitch remains closed and unused, Astroblasters seems dated when compared with other shooting attractions, Space Mountain needs a massive refurb which they should copy the Tokyo DL upgrade and Tomorrowland Speedway still using gas and not electric cars doesn't feel very 'tomorrow'.
Epcot is still messy with the 5 year construction project for trees and paths. Imagination needs gutted, we all love Figment, but massive changes are needed. My biggest gripe is that each nation in the Showcase should have an attraction. Canada would be great with a log flume ride. UK with a Mary Poppins dark ride and definitely not an indoor carousel. France is good now. Morocco is in desperate need of an attraction, perhaps an outdoor coaster that stays low to the ground and around regional artifacts. Japan needs a Mt. Fuji coaster, this is my number 1. Italy needs a gondola ride that goes through Venice. Germany needs the Rhine River Cruise that almost happened. Add a new pavilion with Brazil and an immersive rain forest river rapids attraction (as this expansion lot is massive and maybe we can contain the visiting Brazilian crowds there). China needs a Mulan dark ride. Lastly, expand the Gran Fiesta Tour and theme to a Coco dark ride.
Disney Studios has improved a lot in the past few years but needs a bit more of a nudge. Remove the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular and create a mini land with the Indiana Jones Adventure dark ride and a mouse coaster themed with the mine carts but add an indoor segment with effects. This would take us to an actual Muppets Land which will update Muppet Vision 3D, add in an omni-mover/scaled down version of the Great Muppet Movie Ride and an interactive Muppet meet-and-greet. We need to connect Toy Story Land to the Sunset Blvd and this will be by adding a clone of Cars Land from DCA. Cars Land should cover from Toy Story Land to the Rockin' Rollercoaster.
Animal Kingdom is a half day park and needs the most work. Expand Avatar to include an E-ticket 'Way of the Water' attraction and more dining. Follow through with the discussed Moana and Zootopia changes to Dinoland USA. Add an Americas section and include animals found in NA and SA. This provides an opportunity to add a coaster based on the American eagle and maybe something on bears.
Once we get all this (or better ideas than my scribbles) completed, then lets talk 5th gate. By then I am hoping the Marvel rights will be figured out and we can have the most incredible Marvel themed New York/Avengers Campus park.
All excellent points. We need more “people eating” attractions, to meet the increasing crowd demand.
You’ve thought about this a lot! I like much of it, except some eliminations like Small World (iconic, memorable). I totally agree with a ride at each land at Epcot, it’s so surprising that hasn’t been done yet! The only concepts I don’t like are changing some well-planned, iconic attractions with cheap-seeming 2-Dimensional cartoon movie events - they’re doing enough of that. Let’s keep some of the class.
Here’s my idea for Disney world expansion…. Disney Springs. Add a mini theme park expansion to Disney Springs with Fantasy Springs and Radiator Springs. The shopping district would probably still be free and you buy a ticket to get into the theme park. Perhaps Typhoon Lagoon would also be associated? The hotels are there, the transportation is there, the parking spaces are there, and the desire to visit fantasy springs and radiator springs is also there!! I don’t think fantasy springs would be an exact replica, in order to make sense with what is already at Disney world. I could even see Frozen being replaced with Moana in our version.
Great investigative and video editing work here! I agree with you on the reasons explained that the last location would be the best option for the a fifth park! As for what the theme should be, I think it should be more Pixar focused or Marvel focused if they can ever secured the rights to more of those characters at their parks!
The area of the lot is brilliant for the fifth theme park. It could be Live-Action Adaptation Plateau or Storybook Land.
Excellent evaluation and research, Love your content !
Much appreciated! I’m glad it really showed in the video!
I think it's safe to say they have no desire to build another theme park in Florida.
Disney is broke. They can't build a new park anywhere.
I would love to sea a combination of Tokyo DisneySea and a park with various lands of historical time periods. Example, an area dedicated to Greek mythology with perhaps a fun boat ride featuring characters from Hercules. I wouldn't want the park to be too heavy on intellectual properties though. Another example would be an area with ride dedicated to the Renaissance. You could easily combine historical areas with rides like Journey to the Center of the Earth. Welcome to Disney's Forgotten Kingdom!
Where would they get the money?
They aren't even maintaining their current parks as it is.
As a recent graduate of the Disney College Program I can say with full confidence that the Western Way location would be the most unlikely location as the road was backed up all the time due to it being small and the bottle neck that would occur when an accident would happen made it impossible to move both cast members and guests. And they happened quite a few times causing 30+ minute delays.
All the other CP’s would joke about the ESPN location being a great spot for a potential 5th gate because of the low guest traffic to the area when it wasn’t marathon season.
I agree with you Jack. The 3 spot is the best choice. What I would like to see is a similar replica of Fantasy Springs including a Beauty and the Beast area Making 4 areas total along with Frozen, Peter Pan/Tinker Bell, Tangled ! I think it would be a slam dunk keeping in competition with Epic Universe.
We need a villain's theme park...that location would be perfect for it too! Or even near the Magic Kingdom, but like you said it may disrupt the guests staying at the cabins.
The ideas running through my head of what could go at that last location...Maleficent castle in the middle of the park...just to name one idea.
Although I would love to see that, I think they are in investing in the villains land behind big thunder mountain
I think in addition to a large scale park Disney should try their luck with a boutique park where they can cap the amount of people who visit while using ideas that are too small in scale for a regular theme park but too big for a land. For example if they didn’t shove Star Wars into a land concept they could’ve done this as an experiment to test the waters.
Having it be boutique would make the interactions more intimate but not full on LARPing like the Star Wars hotel wanted and there would be a handful of rides that fit into the story if you do want to follow the story of the park to the fullest extent.
The only problem is getting Disney to care enough about a project like this.
adding a fifth park to control crowds is like adding another lane to a highway to control traffic
*If* there's going to be a 5th gate, I completely agree with you. Plot #3 is the most likely.
I agree with your third option for the location! For ideas, make a Frozen land and Avengers Campus in the park! I know Avengers Campus is difficult to do with Universal, but in the amount of time it would take to build a park (probably 4-6 years), they should be able to get the rights to Avengers Campus!
I was thinking they could build a new water park at Disney World.
I would say they need to get their current 4 parks fixed up before they focus on a 5th. I'm sure we don't want to see a 5th park filled with projector rides and poor themeing.
This 💯 👆
Before a 5th park journey into imagination must be fixed to it former glory.
Or just bring the dream finder back
No before a 5th park they need to rechange Hollywood studios back to MGM studios and bring back some of the old attractions from the park
I know this is an odd suggestion, but I’d actually like to see them add a back entrance into MK. It could enter into the proposed Villains area which could then connect on one side to an expansion of Fantasyland and onto the other side to beyond Thunder Mountain. Then, they could honestly move Frontierland and put a New Orleans Square where the current one is therefore kind of solving an issue you mentioned in a previous video.
eh but that would kind of ruin the feeling for new guests of walking through main street and seeing the castle for the first time
This is Pride month so... great idea. Though it would be used mostly by locals who I believe prefer the other Disney parks.
frontierland will not work where it is when tiana's bayou adventure opens in late 2024 so i agree
I can get it but anything that majorly messes wish Phase one, Walt’s dream and vision, bugs me. I know all things change but we don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water, as they say. However, I could see why you would think this.
Flamingo crossings has become more than just a space for cast members. Its a space for all the new homeowners of the new developments off of Avalon Rd. It will become a heartbeat for traffic that doesnt have enough space for cars already.
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I love the Disney SEA idea. With most of the work already done because of the park in Japan. I would also love to see the Adventurers Club from Pleasure Island resurrected in some form. Maybe part Frozen Sing-A-Long and part Olga's cantina but with the Adventurers telling their stories.
They need to build a Villains Park with thrill rides! I would say Star Wars park, but they already have Galaxy's Edge. 😕
They really should expand Galaxy's edge and incorporate a legacy actual star wars theme to it. But they may sell Star Wars back to George Lucas so I don't know how that would work.
Star Wars park would be too niche. Not everyone is a Star Wars fan. They would need something more broad.
I would love a 5th park based on the 60s and 70s classic movies like 101 Dalmatians, the sword in the stone, the jungle book, The rescuers, Robin Hood, the aristocats and yeah they could do a Ferris wheel ride also which would be the Icon
DSNY is a super under rated channel.
I appreciate that! Even after 6 years of doing it, to be considered under rated still, is actually kind of a compliment! Thanks 👍
Yes I always pass right by the espn complex and it’s a huge area of land they have there. I think a fifth park will fit there perfectly! Hope we do get an announcement for a 5th gate in the next D23! Plus like you said connecting the skyliner to the new park would be greatly beneficial for everyone due to Disney not having to spend too much because of the proximity.
How about building out EPCOT?! As you know there is plenty of space and updating to be realized just in that one park. Or building out the Dino area of AK as we’ve been teased with blue sky concepts?! I could go on and on. Over and over and over at WDW they dream it all up, then slash budgets, then dumb it all down and eventually cancel most of it and what isn’t cancelled is often just a shell of the original announcement to expand or update.
Animal kingdom needs more rides not rethemes especially not retheme of the only ancient animals in the park
So good to see another video from you again!🙌🏿😊👏🏾🕺🏽💜
I think that this “fifth park” should focus completely on their animation division: I say this because Hollywood Studios doesn’t really focus on animation. Disney’s animation really lends itself to highly themed areas (just look at Arendelle in Hong Kong, or the Beauty And The Beast ride in Tokyo. There’s a neat limitless pool of creative possibilities here, and it could be more lucrative than epic universe. And Disneys already made some lands that could be import
So I have 4 ideas for a Disney 5th gate;
1. Disney’s Tragic Kingdom (based on villains)
2. A Pixar theme park
3. A sister park to Disney’s California Adventure (Disney’s Florida Adventure)
4. A park celebrating the newest Disney IP (from like 2010 on)
I’d love to see a Disney Sea style park but I can imagine them having a park based on ip. Disney’s Wondrous Worlds or something like that.
I agree.
But they need to not repeat Disney Sea. Instead be forward thinking go for a future themed and newly imagined fantasy worlds. What really makes more sense is if Disney were to just do major expansions and its existing parks and perhaps add another way to get from the parking lot to the Magic kingdom.
honestly, the only question park-goers really care about is when, not where. Anyway, great video. Very informative and entertaining!
This issue is the theme of the park, realistically there isn’t a Disney theme that doesn’t fit into an existing park. People have suggested Pixar & animation but that then affects DHS reducing what can be used there. Also when Toy Story land is at DHS that would potentially be an issue for a Pixar park as to how Toy Story should or shouldn’t be included in it
There is the legacy park idea which I can’t really comment on as I don’t actually know what it would include
I would love to see a music theme park that’s catered to music
If there’s going to be a fifth Disney park, they should make it either like Disney quest or Tokyo Disneysea!
great minds think alike I was just thinking DisneyQuest because they can expand cyberspace mountain and make that a upgraded version of Tomorrowland bringing WALL-E & stitch and characters that relate to technology and thrill rides so agree with you
@@braylonlee1924 good man
@@ryanjones6827 it would be completely unexpected but a good throwback
Before even bothering w/a 5th park, just expand the already existing parks - Magic Kingom, especially, but also EPCOT & Hollywood Studios, especially.
Honestly, Jack!!!
There no more new plans for the fifth Theme park at Walt Disney World Resort anymore!!! Only a new land and attractions could be expansions in across tbe four existing parks!!!
And then, Ron DeSantis gets fired for being ruined everything!!!! And apparently, i want to see a sneak preview of every upcoming attractions and projects at EPCOT and Disney Parks, Experiences and Products in Destination D23 2023 at WDW in September!!!
Because i believe that "Spaceship Earth: Our Shared Story" as fifth renovations of this ride in World Celebration, new unnamed Mary Poppins teacup spinner ride in United Kingdom Pavilion, new Wondrous China film in China Pavilion and PLAY! Pavilion in World Discovery, are ALL still PUT ON HOLD at EPCOT when the construction is done!!!!
Honestly, what we dream up as armchair imagineers probably doesn’t come close to all the plans and incredible ideas just sitting in a Disney archive or office somewhere. I mean, what else did joe Rhode or Tony Baxter dream up that has yet to see the light of day? Seeing pictures of the old model of Epcot with Mt Fuji AND the Matterhorn still makes me really fantasize about what Disney world could be. Could you imagine world showcase with two mountains? Incredible! Honestly,
All the parks could use several more smaller and larger attractions before a new park gets built. I hope that 17 billion goes to some grand expansion to the already existing parks
It still makes me sad that we never got Mt. Fuji because the original camera sponsor didn't want people to think of their competitor, Fuji Film.
I have long been enamored with the idea of a legacy attraction park to move aging rides to as well as acting as a museum to the history of the parks/company. The theming could be a bit like Paris with a number of large studio buildings that things are moved into for 'storage.'
I personally also think that there is a great opportunity in having a ski resort/indoor waterpark with some outdoor fair-weather rides somewhere near the population centers of the northeast (Pocono mts, upstate NY...). This would make it more physically accessible to a large number of people who can't make it to Florida for an extended trip. It would be smaller and only be pulling people in for a day or two or a weekend, and would not be as grand as WDW, but would allow families to experience the 'Disney Magic' closer to home.
A villains Themed Area with some thrill and family mix be cool!
I feel like a lot of people are already sacrificing Epcot for universal
At THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I wonder what IDEA DISNEY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE, to fill an entire new park?! Please fill the void in EPCOT first, make a possible EXTENSION to Magic Kingdom ( Frozen Land, Rapunzel or Villains Lair etc..) Pls NO MORE IP's like Marvel or that kind of stuff..
They need to add more rides to Hollywood Studios e animal kingdom
Pleasure meeting you. See you on the next DSNY Newscast. 😃
It was nice meeting you as well! Hope you had a great meal at Boma, we enjoyed ours as usual!
@@DSNYNewscast We ate at Jikos. It was the best damn filet mignon we've ever had!