4:13 SG1 season 8 episode 1. THOR says it was a projectile that was likely composed of Replicators & this is how they have boarded Asgard ships in the past.
The borg are susceptible to physical injury. Plus the acid of the replicators have never been countered. Plus the energy absorbing materials of the replicators can draw/neutralize any borg weapon. Not to mention, the replicators can launch themselves on the haul, and consume the material to make more. The borg lose every time
It's not about energy weapons. It's about assimilation/digestion. The replicators try not to destroy an enemy ship completely. They want to disable it so they can absorb their technology. The Asgard didn't quite understand this concept and kept making more and more advanced technology. Their final starship was the O'Neill. It was irresistible to the replicators and made the perfect bait. SG-1 understood the way to beat the replicators was to attack with primitive weapons they already assimilated.
Once the Borg figure out how to disrupt the replicator nanite communication, it's over for the replicators. They're just a pile of dust / scrap. Once the Replicators figure out Borg nanite technology [and how to 'replicate'/integrate it and/or improve upon it], or gain access to the Hive Mind / Borg communication network, it's over for the Borg. It just really comes down to who figures out the other's technology/weakness(es) and develops/implements disruptive/adaptive counter-measures first...
I just said this ion my own comment... I knew Fellow Trekkies woudl be finding a way to protect our beloved Trek... But there is an issue with how the Borg are written... They are FAR TOO OP! Somewhere in the vast Universe of Trek, there MUST BE a being that can COUNTER the Borgs main ability! A "Mortal Enemy" if you will... One that the Borg FEAR because they cannot just Adapt... Both most likely equals so any battle woudl be a coin toss over who wins, but an enemy that can none teh less render their greatest strength redundant... Certainly across MULTIVERSES, there has to be one... We cannot keep making the Borg OP... And they are OP! They are only beaten in Star Trek as the Writers want the want be beaten! Honestly, I think even the writers have come to realise they had a wonderful and amazing idea with the Borg, but they are TOO POWERFUL! Without the Writing and Plot Contrivance They would have WIPED OUT STARFLEET... Picard or not! You could not win! Think about it - The Borg Adapt to any weapons thrown at them (Note, Its usually Ranged Energy Weapons... I guess if you could get close to a Borg it could not adapt to close range attacks but WHO WOULD WANT TO GET CLOSE TO A BORG? They are Even more Dangerous in hand to hand combat!) - So regardless of how many setting a weapon may have - Eventually every weapon woudl be USELESS! As a Hive Mind, Every part of the Hive learns the Frequency / nature of a ranged attack... Every Weapon in the Universe would become redundant! The Borg WIN! They are written quite poorly in that aspect as they are WAY TOO OVERPOWERED! Ergo, As fans... We have to come up with something... ANYTHING, even if its crossing Universes that woudl never happen such as here with Stargate... A Solution! How can we FIX the Borg... They are one of my Favourite Trek Villains, but even I can see they are deeply flawed in writing! We have to have something that make it that they are NOT all powerful - They are NOT the "Q Continuum" - Possibly the only race in Trek that can honestly and truly defeat the Borg currently! (They wont as they dont care enough... But they could!) I am 100% sure there is some Expanded Lore I am Missing, I dont read all the Star Trek Books and follow every piece of Trek Media... But form the TV Shows, YEAH - THEY ARE WAY TOO OP!
@@Phoenix2312 The Borg were supposed to be OP, and not have a mortal enemy. They were supposed to be the Michael Myers of Star Trek. The enemy that keeps coming and you can't get away from. They were loved so much that they were ultimately overused. I forgot who it was but there was involved that really didn't like Voyager using the Borg so much. They said that they had to keep giving Voyager new ways to win that really weakened the Borg. I think introduction of the Borg Queen was stupid. What made the Borg so scary was their hive mind, and lack of emotion. The Queen gave the Borg an individual leader, destroying what made them so scary.
@@Psych1_- I am not so sure... The Borg Queen being the One focused Entity... Makes sense! But Overuse - 100%!!!! I dont mins so much they are OP as all hell, but even Michael Myers can be beaten... Just never truly stopped! Ad I think that's where they kind of lost the path... As you have said very rightly - Overuse meant they had to concoct way to defeat them... They should not be a Regular Villain but an Event Piece! And they should have SOME WEAKNESS that can be exploited but be DEEPLY DNAGEROUS to even attempt! You can always concoct some kind of work around for most episodes but really it should be escape rather than defeat... Any Weakness should be a TRUE EVENT PIECE where the crew really woudl be in danger if they tried... And where Main Characters could and SHOULD DIE! Make it meaningful!!! Its an issue that has sort of been handled well in DOCTOR WHO to some extent... They took ideas from Terry Nation - The creator of The Daleks, and gave them Shields... And they stop virtually EVERYTHING! - BUT... Sustained fire can break them... and there are "Weak Points where the shield is not as strong... I think teh same should be true of the Borg Adaptation ... Many weapons the Borg face are Energy Based and going by the show, They dont have a sustained rate of fire... IN essence while really Powerful, They are Slow... (Similar issue in Star Wars funnily... Many Laser Weapons in Star Wars are actually VERY SLOW WEAPONS!!!) Faced with lets say a Minigun... The Borg Adapt but the sustained rate of fire can cut through... The Borg would take Less damage of course, as they should, but its woudl also give them a small imperfection that can be exploited... Yet in the Time Period of which Star Trek is set, How many "Conventional Weapons" are really going to be around? And I am pretty sure that even Modern Version's woudl not be available on Most Starship's given they are supposed to be "Explorers" not Military! Such and Easy to add weakness, that is also DEEPLY DIFFICULT to Exploit... Even if a Starship was equipped with Rapid Fire Phasers, The Borg are Tactical, They have the intellect of BILLIONS of Species ... And their shields while they can now be penetrated are still going to hold enough to prevent most shots hitting... They woudl target that vessel first! See how a Simple Weakness can still leave them OP but not unbeatable?
@@Phoenix2312 The Cybermen beat them, and the Daleks totally demolish the Borg. They are op in Star Trek, not in Doctor Who. There, they are nowhere the most powerful, since all the most dangerous species use Omega level technology.
Once the Borg make the mistake of trying to tractor the replicator ship it’s over. The replicators would be like, “express lane to the buffet!” I’m thinking the 29th century Borg are even doomed if they stay & fight as , even if they win, a few collisions with the disassociated replicator groups & they’re being strip-mined.
@wmichael78 I don't think the Replicators would win. The bugs would be relatively easy to assimilate when you think about it because they don't tend to operate with nanotech, they mostly operate with macro pieces assembly. Sure, they can eat hulls, but you're assuming they'd be able to do that to the Borg ship without being attacked or assimilated. We've seen the Borg being able to absorb damage to a high level and regenerate, not to mention the fact they can assimilate pretty much all manner of technology. The replicators do have their own version of a hive mind, but I don't think its as advanced as the Borg's. Would the Borg have similar success with nanite based replicators? Possibly. But the replicator nanites didn't exactly demonstrate same level of assimilation as the Borg. The Replicators usually learn by taking over systems. The only thing the Borg really need to do is deploy nanoprobes to begin assimilating stuff. The replicators might be able to gain some material from eating the Borg hull, but Trek ships can project forcefields pretty much everywhere (the Borg certainly can). They'd be able to contain the replicators if needed in an energy field bubble and then either beam them out or tractor them out.
*Borg:* "We are Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Prepare to be assimilated." *Replicators:* "Gee golly, there's an awful lot of gunk surrounding all this tech. Time to break out the acid spray to dissolve the organic waste material..."
The replicators are on an entirely different, higher level than the Borg. The Asgard could take out the Borg like 8472 did. And the Asgard almost lost to the Replicators. That's how big of a mismatch this is.
To be fair, Borg tech level is higher than what the replicators have managed to aquire over in the stargate setting. But the replicators seem far more effective at being sneaky and proactive about assimilating and infiltrating the advanced technologies and systems of their adversaries. So it pretty much depends on if the borg can do what the asgardians couldnt quite do and adapt to replicator infiltration and subversion tech before replicators can adapt to the nanobots and such on the borg side. And the borg have always been notoriously slow to respond and react to things where the replicators tend to never make the same mistake twice.
@@accywacky2699 The Borg are absolutely not more advanced than the Replicators. In terms of weapons, the Replicators are immune to weapons fire from an Asgard Beliskner Class vessel and it takes being hit by several O'Neills before being destoryed. A Beliskner can one or two shot a Ha'tak. Ha'taks aren't damaged by 1 gigiton explosions and can sit inside a star's corona for several hours. Replicators can travel galaxy to galaxy in minutes. Their human form models use nanobots as their base and are resistant to all projectile and all energy weapons except one type. Borg drones and even the Queen can be destoryed by a 1920's Tommy Gun or phasers. Generally, everything Stargate is significantly more powerful than anything Trek. The exception being 8472 and the various energy beings like the Q, Organians, etc.
@@PKPhoenix83 So in the movie First Contact, (Not one of the best startrek movies to be fair, but it has the Borg!) This was in the era where the federation had already armed and geared itself for fighting the borg, also post-dominion war so plenty of time and effort put into making their ships as powerful as they could reasonably be military wise. One Single borg cube made its way to earth, starting well beyond federation territory, getting hit and blasted by pretty much every ship the federation could muster to intercept it, and it still made it to earth close enough to deliver a TIME TRAVELING payload. only reason it went down really was because Picard used his post-assimilation (they got him out, naturally) link to the borg to essentially get them to tell him where they should shoot the cube to make it go boom. To restate that bit though, the borg are Capable of time travel, they just generally do not use this because messing with timelines is dangerous and there's actual temporal factions that would likely step in if they started abusing it too much. But the borg certainly could and would use it if facing a foe they cant overcome any other way. Hang out in the sun? Borg cubes can do that easily for however long is necessary. If the borg are familiar with a weapon's features and traits, they absolutely can work up a flawless defense against it. The Asgard's big flaw was always around being able to improvise or innovate on things where the federation is very, very good at technobabbling their way to a solution to pretty much any problem. But when faced with borg personal shields the only thing the federation could do was outfit their troops with variable frequency phaser rifles that cycle through various viable frequencies randomly. The problem is that even with that, you only get to kill a few drones, maybe 10 or 20, maybe 100, before the rest have adapted to all the frequencies the rifle has to use. A single borg cube carries and can deploy thousands of drones and will not give a damn about casualties if it leads to aquiring new technologies or biological traits/species. I am also aware of the scene in first contact where picard guns down a couple of borg drones using a tommy gun generated by the holodeck they was on at the time which is the main reason why the attack worked so well... Evidently noone's ever weaponized hologram technology like that before against the borg but you can count on that if he tried to just bunker down and gun drones down they would have adapted and overrun him in short order. It is quite safe to assume that Neither the replicators nor the borg invented the technology they each use to traverse the universe, stargate technology already allows for intergalactic transit pretty much instantaneously and while equivalent tech exists in the star wars setting, the borg do not have it (because the universe would pretty much be screwed if they did). But I would argue that federation tech trumps asgardian and goa'uld tech more often than not. I mean... compare the staff and stunner goa'uld made use of to ye old standard issue federation phaser. The phaser has superior firepower to the staff in a pistol sized package while also having a variable stun setting (that does Not risk killing the target if you accidentally zap them twice). Asgard weapons tech is in theory more impressive but I cant recall their personal or ship-side weapons performing feats that a federation, let alone a borg cube, could not equal or surpass but feel free to provide examples if you know of any. Borg make use of nanobots/tech as well, both with a fair bit of science fantasy rather than science as to what nanobots can actually, reasonably, be expected to do. But it's debatable which of them use it 'better'. The borg do assimilate and integrate biological components from various species they assimilate, then engineer and/or clone the better stuff for their combat drones which are considerably more formidable than their basic utility drones. Species 8472 where able to stump the borg due to having an immune system so aggressive that it will attack and kill other organisms simply by getting some of their blood splattered onto another organism, they would be more than able to do the same to the replicators and ultimately the borg did get handed the key to assimilating the species in the end, it just took them a lot of time and a Lot of drones (and some help from the voyager crew). But quite independent of the voyager series, the Borg and species 8472 went to war in the continuity of the star trek online mmorpg and as an ominous plot point of one of the story missions, the borg Did succeed in assimilating and using the infamous species to make new, boss-grade drones. The Q are effectively godlike entities and are essentially capable of doing anything the writer for a particular episode wants them to do, so if they get involved neither borg nor replicator stands a chance Unless that's what the writer wants to happen. In the end, its up to the author of a given crossover story which of the two is superior at the assimilation and adaptation game. Circumstances matter enormously in terms of how the two factions encounter each other and, ultimately? I imagine the two would quickly merge into a single faction since they both want essentially the same things which is to find and incorporate new technologies (with the borg being smart enough to realize that organic systems can be valuable too, the replicators only scratch the surface of this possibility near the end of their story in the star gate shows). Though the Borg are considerably more aggressive and expansionist where the replicators, unless there's a human-type replicator around to direct them, will mostly just keep to themselves unless they detect superior tech or get attacked. Ultimately I'd say this is what makes the borg more advanced: The replicators only look at technology where the borg will take the tech And the creatures that created said technology and extract every bit of benefit they can from the process. They use tactics like assimilating the strongest and more exceptional members of a hostile (well, resisting qualifies) species to then use those specimens to facilitate more efficient and effective assimilation of the species as a whole. The borg have also already assimilated a multitude of alien species and their technologies where the replicators basically are stuck with asgardian, goa'uld and earth tech. So while both are great at learning and assimilating new things the borg will start off more advanced which is an edge at least.
@@accywacky2699 The Borg have never been able to survive inside a star. Remember Lore's ship? Or the Borg Sphere that was destoryed in the nebula after One took it inside? While strong, they aren't nearly Asrard or Replicator strong. Asgard and Rep ships being made out of a neutronium composite. While the Borg were able to destroy the production line version of the Planet Killer, which was made out of neutronium, in the book Probe, that was non canon.
@@PKPhoenix83 Like I mentioned, neither the borg nor the replicators can claim to have invented most if not all the technology they use, at best they assimilate and repurpose things. Plus the federation and other factions have access to shield tech that allows for extended if not indefinite stays in a sun, pretty sure there have been chances for the borg to assimilate people, computers and so on with access to said tech so they should have it too. It's just clearly not something they keep active at all times, much like most of their defensive options as they seem to prefer getting hit by something before pulling up a counter to that something. Again, the borg have assimilated thousands of species and their technologies, they have Time Travel as an option. Plus if star gate shows us anything it is that the replicators are vulnerable to relatively simple if not downright crude technologies like kinetic weapons and unlike the Asgard, the borg are very much capable of exploiting this. Again like I said earlier it all really comes down to which of the two is more able to assimilate and subvert the other, the borg are more versatile and have way more tech, knowledge and experience than the replicators do but the replicators have an advantage at operating with a relatively small group of replicators and tend to be faster at switching gears where the borg... well they're as square as their cubes. Ultimately I would expect them to simply fuse and combine to the point that they become one faction instead.
The thing is, once the replicators took over the sphere, they would have the keys to the entire borg tech base which would of changed the match up with the 29th century borg, no guarantee they would of won but definitely would have made the last fight much more interesting.
The borg have so much redundancy and function in a hive mind that i'm inclined to think that if the replicators assimilated the borg, the borg would simply win in a software/mental war and counterassimilate through that.
The replicators do not have to take over the entire ship to gain access to the tech, they would basically have root access and that info would be spread to the other blocks as fast as their communication systems would allow for. The borg are largely the same way but they have an added wrinkle since they go for the otganics as well. I do not think they would process as fast as an ai driven machine like the replicators. It would be interesting to see which nanite or nanoprobe would come out on top in a direct matchup, i would think the nanites would have an edge since they seem to be more flexible than the nanoprobes and they are seemingly immune to physical attacks.
@@bobsterclause342 why not? Are you saying that because no writer ever wrote that? Things like this video does not go strictly what the writers made, they extrapolate based on known traits which is the whole point. The emh of voyager reverse engineered borg nanoprobes to fight off species 8472 so your premise is already terminally flawed.
Same applies for the Borg….assimilate a single replicator and you have the foundation of their technology. The replicators likely can’t access what isn’t freely available and also likely can’t interface with the collective consciousness because they lack a biological form .
Ah, so you’re saying it’s sort of a stalemate. Like if either assimilating species, can’t take more than 50% of the other so they just keep going back and forth. Huh… interesting… that could be an episode of a scifi show.
Borg Queen: " Say? where is that can of Raid?; can anyone tell me". Drone 1010101010101010101010101010110: " We ran out last night using it on Captain Pickard's crew".
Borg nanites can repair drones even from death if needed plus the personal shields each drone has means the drones would be able to capture and assimilate bug form replicators, the borg also adapt to wepons while stargate weapon sytems tend to follow the same rules we also know that energy fields stop bug form replicators so the borg could adapt their shields to stop more replicators boarding, use forcefields to isolate infected sections and assimilate bug forms to help fight off more bug forms they can also adapt to the normal wepons.
😨😳Gosh.. I saw that request and eeh seen a few shows just recently with those darn Replicators gosh worst than the Borg... this will be good eeh.. Freaky how the Replicators take over the the ships gosh.. eeh. Imagine Replicator Borgs oh gosh.. 😳From the battle with the Ent F and most of the Borg ships, gosh.. I never expected that. wow. but the 29th Century one hmm I wonder.. this was crazy battle .. and from what Thor said, SG-1 guns worked but advance tech no.. hmm.. love the battle Admiral.. and eeh the sound and the spider thingies gosh.. 😊🖖
Depends on how you do "scaling" in different universes and how you handle "convenient writing". Replicators have nearly unsurpassed power vs. high tech enemies that stubbornly rely exclusively on high-tech weapons, ships, etc. to combat them while obviously [low level basic replicators] are vulnerable to low tech attacks and strategies. So the Borg written as "can adapt to any enemy" would wipe the replicators before they get started. On the other hand the Borg that let enemies on their ship and don't do jack until the enemy becomes obviously violent wouldn't stand a chance because it would be "too late" for them to do anything. In their respective universes the Replicators are a imminent threat to anything not at the level of the "ancients" while the Borg are a medium-high threat to the heroes but to high tech civilizations [which are a dime a dozen in Star Trek] they're no more of a menace than the Goa'uld (sp?) is in the stargate universe.
I'd argue that the Borg would lose, because they are primarily assimilating organic creatures. When the Borg encountered Species 8472, they were unable to do anything against them initially, as they were unable to assimilate them. I'd argue that would be the same with the Replicators. And while the Borg are unable to assimilate the Replicators (being made of metal and not flesh), the Replicators would be eating away at the Borg and making more of themselves. Replicators are also able to feast on most (if not all) materials, whereas the Borg are limited to Organics. Thinking about it, I think the Replicators would steam roll the Borg in the long run, as they are able to adapt as quickly as the Borg, are able to feast on pretty much everything and are resistant/immune to energy weaponry. Even destroying Replicator ships doesn't save the Borg, as Replicators can survive in space. If the Borg were to bring any over (to study) they would be attacked from within (at least the first few times).
Especially since it'll have Asgard technology They can beam themselves into ships with no shields But they have harpoons that bypass shields to infest other ships
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer they don’t bypass shields. They still had to knock down the shield of the ship they’re shooting at. The replicators like anything else in Stargate suffer from power creep. Everything gets more and more and more and more and more powerful as time goes on to the point where the story doesn’t make any sense anymore because they should’ve been able to bypass many of the restrictions on their operation years earlier. For example, if the Borg want to assimilate you, they just beam into your ship and assimilate you. The replicators couldn’t do that. Disabling the transporter on board his ship was enough to keep the replicators from being able to leave…..ie, they couldn’t just build their own. The Borg on the other hand come with built-in transporter nodes, where each individual drone is capable of beaming themselves independent of the hardware around them. Likewise, the limitations of the story placed on the Borg were there to prevent them from simply blitzing the federation and wiping out the show…. There was literally no reason why the Borg had to be slow zombies shuffling around like they did, or why they would ignore a potential threat that beamed onto their ship simply because it wasn’t currently threatening them. Logically ANY federation personnel on board their ship is a threat …. Whether they are actively shooting at them or not. Dumb stuff like that was just there as a plot device
@@Matt-yg8ub the replicator harpoon did bypass the Asgard shield, if it knocked out the shields, Thor would've said so in the episode Also later on in the show the replicators were able to control the beaming technology, and the first thing the replicators do is make themselves invisible to the ship sensors which is usually seconds after boarding
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer which shouldn’t be possible. The replicators should not be able to make themselves invisible to the ship’s sensors. They don’t have fucking cloaking devices. They’re visible to the naked eye, they give off heat… they exude pressure against the floor. They operate in a gravitational environment, they are made of metal, and should trip magnetic anomaly detectors. Unless the Asgard are operating with stone tools, the sensors should be able to see them. The idea that the replicators can bypass shields and blind sensors and do whatever the plot demands whenever the plot demands it however the writers want with no thought for continuity….. is jarring to say the least. They just pull this excrement out of the back end whenever they feel like it and make it up as they go. The Asgard literally just make their problems go away with energy beams that disintegrate whatever they point them at, but somehow we’re expected to believe that they don’t have a handheld version of thisand the ship is dependent upon sensors that magically can’t see the 12 inch mechanical spiders directly in front of them. I wrote an object detection program yesterday where my cell phone could identify replicators (if I trained it to detect spiders) if I just point the camera at them, but apparently Thor and the Asgard and all their infinite power and wisdom and technology can’t do the same thing that my sorry butt just did yesterday.
@@AdmiralStoicRum they aren’t magic, they can’t instantly turn 1,000,000,000,000 tons of starship into replicators and they sure as hell can’t instantly take over a Borg cube in a tiny fraction of the time it takes them to take over any other vessel. It takes the replicators hours to take over a BC 304 …. They should not be able to take over a Borg cube that is actively resisting them, in less than five minutes. Maybe the replicators get an early lead by surprising the Borg in their first encounter, but if the replicators start to infect a section of the cube, the Borg would just vaporize that section of the cube. They would see it as no different than bleeding, a wound or chopping off a gangrenous limb, except that the Borg are more than capable of just growing a new limb. Stargate often treats the replicators like they are magic …. But they are still bound by the same laws of physics as anything else in the universe, even if the writers forget that from time to time.
Replicators are 100% terrifying. Unlike the Borg they are not handicapped by needing to convert organic matter to grow, yet as shown in Ark of Truth and in Atlantis, can convert and assimilate organics if they so choose. They also arguably have an even stronger grasp on temporal technology, able to reverse a time dilation field in such a way as to moonwalk out of a black hole. The Borg would end up absolutely overrun right up until the Replicators manage to hijack the collective and then it'd be over.
Not necessarily. The Replicators are toys that got out of control…..they live to reproduce themselves. The collective on the other hand has intelligence and purpose. They too can assimilate (arguably far better in fact) and could do just as easily co-opt the technology of the Replicators. We see such things done in Atlantis….McKay does it, the Wraith do it….it seems that all they really have to do is get into the software and the replicators fall apart. They became a plague mostly because the Asgard are functionally retarded when it comes to simple solutions and just kept feeding them to make them grow stronger.
Also for a future matchup, have the fight that we didn't get to see in The Ark of Truth. The Replicators versus The Ori. Amd then The Borg versus The Ori.
The problem with Borg Vs debates is the Borg approach every engagement like it’s their first time and they typically sacrifice the first ship to gage technology
There's the regular Fusion Cube is 16 regular Borg Cubes and then there's the Tactical Fusion Cube. The Fusion Cubes has 4 redundant Vinculum. And then the Mega Fusion Cube is 16 Fusion Cubes which is the size of a small planet. In the fanfic by Chris Robato, ST: Athena, a future Sovereign class USS Premonition timeship went back in time and used a RiftWave WMD device to destroy the Mega Fusion Cube. The WMD device creates a subspace shockwave and then creates a subspace Rift to suck in the remaining parts to ensure there's no leftover Borg parts to regenerate itself.
The civilizations of Star Trek all have a reliance on their superior technology that bears a striking resemblance to the Asgard. And like the Asgard, they would likely have no viable defense against the Replicators. That goes for the Borg too.
Alittle surprised it was replicator blocks and not human form replicators because the human forms would win hands down but both the borg and replicators constantly adapt to changing variables i would something like replicators borg hybrid would emerge
I think the borg would win against regular replicator maybe but against the human form no way, what would be interesting is I think this would more come down to a nanite vs nanite battle
i don' even thing they would win against regular replicators. first problem... borg... wouldn't see them as a threat at first... they would start eating the borg ship, just chowing down and replicating... by the time they react, borg shields would be useless, borg weapons are useless... they learn by assimilating but theres nothing their nanites would or could do here... so the only option and most likely option is the queen would sacrafice the ship, blow it up and hope... except as we know, spiders might survive that and keep eating, and either lay in wait for something to show up or... if they finish their dinner, convert themselves into a ship and go hunting another cube.
it looks like the bigger the Borg ship is it’s easier for the replicators to assimilate it… question for you if Lieutenant commander data was attacked by one of those do you think The replicators could get him, even with his posit Tronic brain?
😲 I would fear for Data.. I like to think his brain is unhackable, but the Replicators are certainly adaptive. The Borg couldn't assimilate him though. What do you think?
You know, I was thinking about this for a while how to respond, and the way how the Borg was always betrayed as they were always like to use an analogy. They were a sledgehammer basically just brute force and that’s why they couldn’t assimilate data. Now with the replicators with their Technology and the fact they were able to basically take control over the Borg themselves I think he could be in theory. However, with data having plot armor, I think he would be completely immune lol!!!
So there was an entity that is pretty much the same thing as data, of course she was very likely the origin point for the replicators as she used her own nanotechnology to take metals and make her own little friends which were the block form replicators. After she was viewed as a threat, the replicators studied her technology and replicated it. Which is what will happen to Data. They will also develop a personality based on the tech
Are the replicators not working on a same level as the Borg? Both using nanotechnology and nanites? Borg nanites assimilate everything technology, but Replicators could constant replicate again. On paper this would appear more like a stalemate, although I would be leaning more toward the Borg taking over since more and more of the Replicator nanites would function as Borg nanites.
It makes me wonder what would happen if the borg came across a fully human replicator colony, like the ones from Atlantis? They function very much similarly to one another, but the Borg take over people and the replicators don't care to. It would be interesting to see if the borg and replicators work together or go to war with eachother as competing archetypes of a big bad.
It was the Cube that the Replicators took over, Not the Borg itself. Which allowed the self destruction. Wonder if the game would notice and simulate the Cube being taken over in a 2 or 3 on 1. And the other(s) to be able adapt to the Replicators.
This wouldve been an epic cross over especially if they merged and became a ehole new species.... the only thing that could probably stop that would be the magog world ship
In the Star Trek Doctor Who crossover comic miniseries, The Cybermen put The Borg in such a position that they had to contact Picard for help. Can The Replicators beat the Borg? I say yes. Especially since one of the Canon abilities of The Replicators is to literally become what they eat. By ingesting the materials of a Borg cube, The Replicators could become invisible to Borg sensors until it's too late and they have literally annihilated the organic parts of the Borg on board.
Yeah Stargate Command and Atlantis hated the Replicators. Hell even Cam Mitchell did and he read about them before joining SG-1. From THE ARK OF TRUTH: Cam: Yeah we got a little Replicator problem. Jackson: Whoa, did you say Replicator? Cam: Yeah.... Hertis: What's a replicator? Teal'c: You do not wish to know. From Atlantis Episode "Be All My Sins Remembered": McKay: Would you like to do the honors? John: No. McKay: Alright, M7R-227, you were a constant pain in the ass. It's good to see you go. (presses a button, the planet designation disappears) John: If only it was that easy in real life. McKay: Mmm, Area 51 is working on it. -Side note: M7R-227 was the designation for the Replicator's homeworld in the Pegasus galaxy. Yup not much can take over the 29th Century Borg Cube. Regarding infecting a regular Borg cube, sphere, Assimilation cube and even a tactical cube... yeah I can see it happening and the Replicators taking over a Borg ship at least from the 24th Century. The Replicators as we know love to hide in areas that they aren't easily found. I'm sure the Replicators would be impervious to the Borg scanning capabilities. Also it's not like Drones would be actively searching for them manually like members of SG-1, Atlantis or even the Asgard would.
There is a comedian that had the premise that to Boldly go ( boldlygo ) Is a place and when are they going to get there And not an action "Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before!"
I’d say, as a fan of both universes, that the Borg would likely ignore the boarding spiders, at least until they touch something the Borg don’t want them touching (but by then it might be too late. Plus the Borg drones are a bit limited in offensive capabilities. Mostly just disruptors, shields, and those nano bot injectors on their wrists. Sufficient for most threats native to the Trek franchise, but probably not enough to contend with some other franchises) So once you’re replicator torpedo had a successful impact, you pretty much won, which is why the replicators were feared so much in the Stargate universe. Also attrition works in the replicators favor. The Borg would struggle to replace lost drones, while the replicators would replicate. Lol
Borg are more about assimilating biological Species and dealing with "normal" Shiphardware. Their Nanites would have trouble with the Replicator-Blocks. While the Replicators simply eat the Borg-cube, multiplying and absorbing their Tech while doing so. .... and if these wouldnt be the Replicator-Blocks, but the Humanoid Replicators with their Nano-Blocks, i think the Borg could loose pretty fast. In worst Case, they befriend each other.
An individual borg vessel is toast. However the borg are a collective kind of like a hive mind so the more the borg encounter the replicators the more they learn to adapt. So while the replicators can defeat a single borg ship they're not able to defeat the entire borg collective. That is unless they invade non borg civilisations to bulk up their numbers.
Hmm they could if they disrupt the communications of whatever ship board, then the rest of the collective wouldn't be able to get new information on them
This reminds me of one of the early victories of AI over humans. GDW made an expansion of its Traveller pen and paper RPG series called Trillion Credit Squadron. You'd get a trillion credits to design a fleet of ships, and pit it in combat against someone else's trillion credit fleet. To publicize it, GDW held an annual TCS contest, with the winners getting prize money. Some guy decided to write a program to create the optimal fleet design. When he showed up for the contest, everyone else laughed at how stupid his fleet was. Then he won. The next year, he won again. The third year, GDW told him that if he entered again, they would cancel the contest. Except for size, every ship in his fleet was identical. There were no capital ships, no escorts, no screening destroyers or frigates. Everything was the same. This turned out to capitalize on a weakness of the traditional fleet design. If you concentrate most of your firepower (say 50%) in your capital ships (say 20% of your fleet), then specifically targeting and eliminating that 20% of your fleet meant your fleet's effectiveness has dropped by 50% from just a 20% loss. OTOH, the AI-generated fleet would only suffer a 20% loss in effectiveness if it lost 20% of its ships. Basically the AI fleet was free to use strategy to counter human fleets, but there was no way for human fleets to gain a strategic advantage against the AI fleet. That's basically what the replicators are. Ever replicator is the same, so destroying one only fractionally damages the whole. There's literally no head for you to chop off to kill them. The Borg could beat and assimilate some of them. But as long as there are other replicators around with plenty of material (planets, other civilizations) to consume and replicate, they'll still survive. They're like cockroaches. Unless you kill them _all_ at the same time (how Stargate dealt with them), they'll still continue to multiply, grow, harass, and eventually beat you. In the Borg's case, once the replicators figure out how to invade and disrupt the Borg's C&C network (i.e. chop off the head), the Borg are toast. It's like ants vs roaches. The colony structure of ant society may make for better coordination and faster growth. But the hierarchical structure creates vulnerabilities that roaches are immune to, and (if they were fighting each other) that roaches could exploit.
Logically 50/50 as replicators are mostly nanites and the assimilation conflict to gain ground over rural Nantucket’s is via virus or anti virus tactics, akak one overrides the other by 50/50 chance
I would say that they aye able to destroy the replicator ship but if you fired the replicator missle and it hit, the borg wouldn’t be able to stop them imo.
if you destroy a sphere or cube, the whole borg collected is updated, so the next time you fight them they already have "adapted" this is NOWHERE near cannon
Remember that the Borg are looking for 'Perfection'. The Replicators could be what they perceive to be the perfect life form, so they might willingly give themselves over to the Replicators.
In fact I would be surprised at all, they both use Nanite Technology, but the only difference is Borg Nanoprobes are DESIGNED to assimilate any Technology they come across, I wouldn't be surprised if the Borg Nanoprobes have already assimilated the Nanites in the Spider version of the Replicators.
Having watched both Stargate and Star Trek in their entireties, I think the Replicators are worse! The Borg should count their blessings that they never ran into the Replicators in Canon because otherwise, they may never have had an opportunity to develop into the 29th century version able to defeat them! I imagine the Replicators would've been the greatest threat to the Borg since Species 8472. 8472 might even have a tough time with the Replicators! If you haven't already, you should try 8472 vs. the Replicators and see what happens 🙂🖖
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Picard watching the Borg Queen get assimilated: "Soooo....how do you like it?!"
Replicator Borg Queen: "I like it just fine! It kind of tickles... And, now we are One."
Locutus: "Shit..."
@@MGmirkinyou missed where the human form replicators created Locutus again.
@@MGmirkin hahahaha
ROFL!!!
4:13 SG1 season 8 episode 1. THOR says it was a projectile that was likely composed of Replicators & this is how they have boarded Asgard ships in the past.
Thanks for that info! An important reference. Terrifying how they can do that 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Definitely 🖖
The borg are susceptible to physical injury. Plus the acid of the replicators have never been countered. Plus the energy absorbing materials of the replicators can draw/neutralize any borg weapon. Not to mention, the replicators can launch themselves on the haul, and consume the material to make more. The borg lose every time
This title is a question that I asked myself long time ago. A Video of this is fantastic and I never imagined that happened.
Thank you👍
It's not about energy weapons. It's about assimilation/digestion.
The replicators try not to destroy an enemy ship completely. They want to disable it so they can absorb their technology. The Asgard didn't quite understand this concept and kept making more and more advanced technology. Their final starship was the O'Neill. It was irresistible to the replicators and made the perfect bait.
SG-1 understood the way to beat the replicators was to attack with primitive weapons they already assimilated.
Ja, später waren primitiven Waffen ebenso wirkungslos. Da half nur noch Antiker-Technologie, die die Replikatoren besiegen können.
Once the Borg figure out how to disrupt the replicator nanite communication, it's over for the replicators. They're just a pile of dust / scrap.
Once the Replicators figure out Borg nanite technology [and how to 'replicate'/integrate it and/or improve upon it], or gain access to the Hive Mind / Borg communication network, it's over for the Borg.
It just really comes down to who figures out the other's technology/weakness(es) and develops/implements disruptive/adaptive counter-measures first...
I just said this ion my own comment... I knew Fellow Trekkies woudl be finding a way to protect our beloved Trek... But there is an issue with how the Borg are written... They are FAR TOO OP!
Somewhere in the vast Universe of Trek, there MUST BE a being that can COUNTER the Borgs main ability! A "Mortal Enemy" if you will... One that the Borg FEAR because they cannot just Adapt... Both most likely equals so any battle woudl be a coin toss over who wins, but an enemy that can none teh less render their greatest strength redundant...
Certainly across MULTIVERSES, there has to be one... We cannot keep making the Borg OP... And they are OP! They are only beaten in Star Trek as the Writers want the want be beaten! Honestly, I think even the writers have come to realise they had a wonderful and amazing idea with the Borg, but they are TOO POWERFUL! Without the Writing and Plot Contrivance They would have WIPED OUT STARFLEET... Picard or not! You could not win!
Think about it - The Borg Adapt to any weapons thrown at them (Note, Its usually Ranged Energy Weapons... I guess if you could get close to a Borg it could not adapt to close range attacks but WHO WOULD WANT TO GET CLOSE TO A BORG? They are Even more Dangerous in hand to hand combat!) - So regardless of how many setting a weapon may have - Eventually every weapon woudl be USELESS!
As a Hive Mind, Every part of the Hive learns the Frequency / nature of a ranged attack... Every Weapon in the Universe would become redundant! The Borg WIN! They are written quite poorly in that aspect as they are WAY TOO OVERPOWERED!
Ergo, As fans... We have to come up with something... ANYTHING, even if its crossing Universes that woudl never happen such as here with Stargate... A Solution! How can we FIX the Borg... They are one of my Favourite Trek Villains, but even I can see they are deeply flawed in writing! We have to have something that make it that they are NOT all powerful - They are NOT the "Q Continuum" - Possibly the only race in Trek that can honestly and truly defeat the Borg currently! (They wont as they dont care enough... But they could!)
I am 100% sure there is some Expanded Lore I am Missing, I dont read all the Star Trek Books and follow every piece of Trek Media... But form the TV Shows, YEAH - THEY ARE WAY TOO OP!
@@Phoenix2312 The Borg were supposed to be OP, and not have a mortal enemy. They were supposed to be the Michael Myers of Star Trek. The enemy that keeps coming and you can't get away from. They were loved so much that they were ultimately overused. I forgot who it was but there was involved that really didn't like Voyager using the Borg so much. They said that they had to keep giving Voyager new ways to win that really weakened the Borg. I think introduction of the Borg Queen was stupid. What made the Borg so scary was their hive mind, and lack of emotion. The Queen gave the Borg an individual leader, destroying what made them so scary.
@@Psych1_- I am not so sure... The Borg Queen being the One focused Entity... Makes sense! But Overuse - 100%!!!!
I dont mins so much they are OP as all hell, but even Michael Myers can be beaten... Just never truly stopped! Ad I think that's where they kind of lost the path... As you have said very rightly - Overuse meant they had to concoct way to defeat them... They should not be a Regular Villain but an Event Piece!
And they should have SOME WEAKNESS that can be exploited but be DEEPLY DNAGEROUS to even attempt! You can always concoct some kind of work around for most episodes but really it should be escape rather than defeat... Any Weakness should be a TRUE EVENT PIECE where the crew really woudl be in danger if they tried... And where Main Characters could and SHOULD DIE! Make it meaningful!!!
Its an issue that has sort of been handled well in DOCTOR WHO to some extent... They took ideas from Terry Nation - The creator of The Daleks, and gave them Shields... And they stop virtually EVERYTHING! - BUT... Sustained fire can break them... and there are "Weak Points where the shield is not as strong...
I think teh same should be true of the Borg Adaptation ... Many weapons the Borg face are Energy Based and going by the show, They dont have a sustained rate of fire... IN essence while really Powerful, They are Slow... (Similar issue in Star Wars funnily... Many Laser Weapons in Star Wars are actually VERY SLOW WEAPONS!!!)
Faced with lets say a Minigun... The Borg Adapt but the sustained rate of fire can cut through... The Borg would take Less damage of course, as they should, but its woudl also give them a small imperfection that can be exploited... Yet in the Time Period of which Star Trek is set, How many "Conventional Weapons" are really going to be around? And I am pretty sure that even Modern Version's woudl not be available on Most Starship's given they are supposed to be "Explorers" not Military!
Such and Easy to add weakness, that is also DEEPLY DIFFICULT to Exploit... Even if a Starship was equipped with Rapid Fire Phasers, The Borg are Tactical, They have the intellect of BILLIONS of Species ... And their shields while they can now be penetrated are still going to hold enough to prevent most shots hitting... They woudl target that vessel first!
See how a Simple Weakness can still leave them OP but not unbeatable?
Even the replicator disrupted gun was only effective if you knew the exact frequency to fire it at.
@@Phoenix2312 The Cybermen beat them, and the Daleks totally demolish the Borg. They are op in Star Trek, not in Doctor Who.
There, they are nowhere the most powerful, since all the most dangerous species use Omega level technology.
The assimilators get assimilated interesting.
Who watches the watchers? And who assimilated the assimilators?
I loved this matchup. I've been wanting to see this exact battle of nanotech-derived race vs nanotech-derived race...for a very long time..
Once the Borg make the mistake of trying to tractor the replicator ship it’s over. The replicators would be like, “express lane to the buffet!” I’m thinking the 29th century Borg are even doomed if they stay & fight as , even if they win, a few collisions with the disassociated replicator groups & they’re being strip-mined.
That works both ways actually. All the Borg need are some samples of a Replicator and they can adapt Nanoprobes to eat it.
@@Matt-yg8ub At that point you're talking nano-tech vs nano-tech and its a crap shoot who'd win. My gut instinct is Replicators would prevail.
@wmichael78 I don't think the Replicators would win.
The bugs would be relatively easy to assimilate when you think about it because they don't tend to operate with nanotech, they mostly operate with macro pieces assembly.
Sure, they can eat hulls, but you're assuming they'd be able to do that to the Borg ship without being attacked or assimilated.
We've seen the Borg being able to absorb damage to a high level and regenerate, not to mention the fact they can assimilate pretty much all manner of technology.
The replicators do have their own version of a hive mind, but I don't think its as advanced as the Borg's.
Would the Borg have similar success with nanite based replicators?
Possibly. But the replicator nanites didn't exactly demonstrate same level of assimilation as the Borg. The Replicators usually learn by taking over systems.
The only thing the Borg really need to do is deploy nanoprobes to begin assimilating stuff.
The replicators might be able to gain some material from eating the Borg hull, but Trek ships can project forcefields pretty much everywhere (the Borg certainly can).
They'd be able to contain the replicators if needed in an energy field bubble and then either beam them out or tractor them out.
0:44 Comedians are like Highlanders. There can be only one. 😉
*Borg:* "We are Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Prepare to be assimilated."
*Replicators:* "Gee golly, there's an awful lot of gunk surrounding all this tech. Time to break out the acid spray to dissolve the organic waste material..."
Or use it to make organic replicators
@@ianoconnor1515 The most advanced Replicators emulate a human form, but are composed entirely of metallic dust.
That would be a match made in heaven. The humaniform replicators would very likely represent the very perfection the Borg seek.
The replicators are on an entirely different, higher level than the Borg. The Asgard could take out the Borg like 8472 did. And the Asgard almost lost to the Replicators. That's how big of a mismatch this is.
To be fair, Borg tech level is higher than what the replicators have managed to aquire over in the stargate setting. But the replicators seem far more effective at being sneaky and proactive about assimilating and infiltrating the advanced technologies and systems of their adversaries. So it pretty much depends on if the borg can do what the asgardians couldnt quite do and adapt to replicator infiltration and subversion tech before replicators can adapt to the nanobots and such on the borg side. And the borg have always been notoriously slow to respond and react to things where the replicators tend to never make the same mistake twice.
@@accywacky2699 The Borg are absolutely not more advanced than the Replicators.
In terms of weapons, the Replicators are immune to weapons fire from an Asgard Beliskner Class vessel and it takes being hit by several O'Neills before being destoryed. A Beliskner can one or two shot a Ha'tak. Ha'taks aren't damaged by 1 gigiton explosions and can sit inside a star's corona for several hours.
Replicators can travel galaxy to galaxy in minutes.
Their human form models use nanobots as their base and are resistant to all projectile and all energy weapons except one type. Borg drones and even the Queen can be destoryed by a 1920's Tommy Gun or phasers.
Generally, everything Stargate is significantly more powerful than anything Trek. The exception being 8472 and the various energy beings like the Q, Organians, etc.
@@PKPhoenix83 So in the movie First Contact, (Not one of the best startrek movies to be fair, but it has the Borg!) This was in the era where the federation had already armed and geared itself for fighting the borg, also post-dominion war so plenty of time and effort put into making their ships as powerful as they could reasonably be military wise. One Single borg cube made its way to earth, starting well beyond federation territory, getting hit and blasted by pretty much every ship the federation could muster to intercept it, and it still made it to earth close enough to deliver a TIME TRAVELING payload. only reason it went down really was because Picard used his post-assimilation (they got him out, naturally) link to the borg to essentially get them to tell him where they should shoot the cube to make it go boom. To restate that bit though, the borg are Capable of time travel, they just generally do not use this because messing with timelines is dangerous and there's actual temporal factions that would likely step in if they started abusing it too much. But the borg certainly could and would use it if facing a foe they cant overcome any other way.
Hang out in the sun? Borg cubes can do that easily for however long is necessary. If the borg are familiar with a weapon's features and traits, they absolutely can work up a flawless defense against it. The Asgard's big flaw was always around being able to improvise or innovate on things where the federation is very, very good at technobabbling their way to a solution to pretty much any problem. But when faced with borg personal shields the only thing the federation could do was outfit their troops with variable frequency phaser rifles that cycle through various viable frequencies randomly. The problem is that even with that, you only get to kill a few drones, maybe 10 or 20, maybe 100, before the rest have adapted to all the frequencies the rifle has to use. A single borg cube carries and can deploy thousands of drones and will not give a damn about casualties if it leads to aquiring new technologies or biological traits/species.
I am also aware of the scene in first contact where picard guns down a couple of borg drones using a tommy gun generated by the holodeck they was on at the time which is the main reason why the attack worked so well... Evidently noone's ever weaponized hologram technology like that before against the borg but you can count on that if he tried to just bunker down and gun drones down they would have adapted and overrun him in short order.
It is quite safe to assume that Neither the replicators nor the borg invented the technology they each use to traverse the universe, stargate technology already allows for intergalactic transit pretty much instantaneously and while equivalent tech exists in the star wars setting, the borg do not have it (because the universe would pretty much be screwed if they did). But I would argue that federation tech trumps asgardian and goa'uld tech more often than not. I mean... compare the staff and stunner goa'uld made use of to ye old standard issue federation phaser. The phaser has superior firepower to the staff in a pistol sized package while also having a variable stun setting (that does Not risk killing the target if you accidentally zap them twice). Asgard weapons tech is in theory more impressive but I cant recall their personal or ship-side weapons performing feats that a federation, let alone a borg cube, could not equal or surpass but feel free to provide examples if you know of any.
Borg make use of nanobots/tech as well, both with a fair bit of science fantasy rather than science as to what nanobots can actually, reasonably, be expected to do. But it's debatable which of them use it 'better'. The borg do assimilate and integrate biological components from various species they assimilate, then engineer and/or clone the better stuff for their combat drones which are considerably more formidable than their basic utility drones. Species 8472 where able to stump the borg due to having an immune system so aggressive that it will attack and kill other organisms simply by getting some of their blood splattered onto another organism, they would be more than able to do the same to the replicators and ultimately the borg did get handed the key to assimilating the species in the end, it just took them a lot of time and a Lot of drones (and some help from the voyager crew). But quite independent of the voyager series, the Borg and species 8472 went to war in the continuity of the star trek online mmorpg and as an ominous plot point of one of the story missions, the borg Did succeed in assimilating and using the infamous species to make new, boss-grade drones. The Q are effectively godlike entities and are essentially capable of doing anything the writer for a particular episode wants them to do, so if they get involved neither borg nor replicator stands a chance Unless that's what the writer wants to happen.
In the end, its up to the author of a given crossover story which of the two is superior at the assimilation and adaptation game. Circumstances matter enormously in terms of how the two factions encounter each other and, ultimately? I imagine the two would quickly merge into a single faction since they both want essentially the same things which is to find and incorporate new technologies (with the borg being smart enough to realize that organic systems can be valuable too, the replicators only scratch the surface of this possibility near the end of their story in the star gate shows). Though the Borg are considerably more aggressive and expansionist where the replicators, unless there's a human-type replicator around to direct them, will mostly just keep to themselves unless they detect superior tech or get attacked.
Ultimately I'd say this is what makes the borg more advanced: The replicators only look at technology where the borg will take the tech And the creatures that created said technology and extract every bit of benefit they can from the process. They use tactics like assimilating the strongest and more exceptional members of a hostile (well, resisting qualifies) species to then use those specimens to facilitate more efficient and effective assimilation of the species as a whole. The borg have also already assimilated a multitude of alien species and their technologies where the replicators basically are stuck with asgardian, goa'uld and earth tech. So while both are great at learning and assimilating new things the borg will start off more advanced which is an edge at least.
@@accywacky2699 The Borg have never been able to survive inside a star. Remember Lore's ship? Or the Borg Sphere that was destoryed in the nebula after One took it inside?
While strong, they aren't nearly Asrard or Replicator strong. Asgard and Rep ships being made out of a neutronium composite. While the Borg were able to destroy the production line version of the Planet Killer, which was made out of neutronium, in the book Probe, that was non canon.
@@PKPhoenix83 Like I mentioned, neither the borg nor the replicators can claim to have invented most if not all the technology they use, at best they assimilate and repurpose things. Plus the federation and other factions have access to shield tech that allows for extended if not indefinite stays in a sun, pretty sure there have been chances for the borg to assimilate people, computers and so on with access to said tech so they should have it too. It's just clearly not something they keep active at all times, much like most of their defensive options as they seem to prefer getting hit by something before pulling up a counter to that something.
Again, the borg have assimilated thousands of species and their technologies, they have Time Travel as an option. Plus if star gate shows us anything it is that the replicators are vulnerable to relatively simple if not downright crude technologies like kinetic weapons and unlike the Asgard, the borg are very much capable of exploiting this.
Again like I said earlier it all really comes down to which of the two is more able to assimilate and subvert the other, the borg are more versatile and have way more tech, knowledge and experience than the replicators do but the replicators have an advantage at operating with a relatively small group of replicators and tend to be faster at switching gears where the borg... well they're as square as their cubes. Ultimately I would expect them to simply fuse and combine to the point that they become one faction instead.
The thing is, once the replicators took over the sphere, they would have the keys to the entire borg tech base which would of changed the match up with the 29th century borg, no guarantee they would of won but definitely would have made the last fight much more interesting.
The borg have so much redundancy and function in a hive mind that i'm inclined to think that if the replicators assimilated the borg, the borg would simply win in a software/mental war and counterassimilate through that.
The replicators do not have to take over the entire ship to gain access to the tech, they would basically have root access and that info would be spread to the other blocks as fast as their communication systems would allow for. The borg are largely the same way but they have an added wrinkle since they go for the otganics as well. I do not think they would process as fast as an ai driven machine like the replicators. It would be interesting to see which nanite or nanoprobe would come out on top in a direct matchup, i would think the nanites would have an edge since they seem to be more flexible than the nanoprobes and they are seemingly immune to physical attacks.
One does not simply reverse enginner borg tech
@@bobsterclause342 why not? Are you saying that because no writer ever wrote that? Things like this video does not go strictly what the writers made, they extrapolate based on known traits which is the whole point. The emh of voyager reverse engineered borg nanoprobes to fight off species 8472 so your premise is already terminally flawed.
Same applies for the Borg….assimilate a single replicator and you have the foundation of their technology. The replicators likely can’t access what isn’t freely available and also likely can’t interface with the collective consciousness because they lack a biological form .
I think this would be a game of one side assimilating a bit of tech then the other doing the same. Any fight would probably last for ages.
Ah, so you’re saying it’s sort of a stalemate. Like if either assimilating species, can’t take more than 50% of the other so they just keep going back and forth. Huh… interesting… that could be an episode of a scifi show.
borg queen would become bug queen with 6 spider legs on her back and call herself kerrigan.
Borg Queen: " Say? where is that can of Raid?; can anyone tell me".
Drone 1010101010101010101010101010110: " We ran out last night using it on Captain Pickard's crew".
Borg nanites can repair drones even from death if needed plus the personal shields each drone has means the drones would be able to capture and assimilate bug form replicators, the borg also adapt to wepons while stargate weapon sytems tend to follow the same rules we also know that energy fields stop bug form replicators so the borg could adapt their shields to stop more replicators boarding, use forcefields to isolate infected sections and assimilate bug forms to help fight off more bug forms they can also adapt to the normal wepons.
Precisely…..we’ve seen shielded Goa’uld survive contact…..drones could do the same and dampening fields are a thing in Star Trek.
😨😳Gosh.. I saw that request and eeh seen a few shows just recently with those darn Replicators gosh worst than the Borg... this will be good eeh.. Freaky how the Replicators take over the the ships gosh.. eeh. Imagine Replicator Borgs oh gosh.. 😳From the battle with the Ent F and most of the Borg ships, gosh.. I never expected that. wow. but the 29th Century one hmm I wonder.. this was crazy battle .. and from what Thor said, SG-1 guns worked but advance tech no.. hmm.. love the battle Admiral.. and eeh the sound and the spider thingies gosh.. 😊🖖
In a similar sort of matchup, organic tech vs organic tech, I'd also love to see, (if possible), a ZPM-enhanced Wraith Hive ship vs a B5 Shadow vessel
Yes
I concur. Yours is a most worthy idea.
Depends on how you do "scaling" in different universes and how you handle "convenient writing". Replicators have nearly unsurpassed power vs. high tech enemies that stubbornly rely exclusively on high-tech weapons, ships, etc. to combat them while obviously [low level basic replicators] are vulnerable to low tech attacks and strategies. So the Borg written as "can adapt to any enemy" would wipe the replicators before they get started. On the other hand the Borg that let enemies on their ship and don't do jack until the enemy becomes obviously violent wouldn't stand a chance because it would be "too late" for them to do anything. In their respective universes the Replicators are a imminent threat to anything not at the level of the "ancients" while the Borg are a medium-high threat to the heroes but to high tech civilizations [which are a dime a dozen in Star Trek] they're no more of a menace than the Goa'uld (sp?) is in the stargate universe.
I'd argue that the Borg would lose, because they are primarily assimilating organic creatures. When the Borg encountered Species 8472, they were unable to do anything against them initially, as they were unable to assimilate them. I'd argue that would be the same with the Replicators. And while the Borg are unable to assimilate the Replicators (being made of metal and not flesh), the Replicators would be eating away at the Borg and making more of themselves.
Replicators are also able to feast on most (if not all) materials, whereas the Borg are limited to Organics. Thinking about it, I think the Replicators would steam roll the Borg in the long run, as they are able to adapt as quickly as the Borg, are able to feast on pretty much everything and are resistant/immune to energy weaponry. Even destroying Replicator ships doesn't save the Borg, as Replicators can survive in space. If the Borg were to bring any over (to study) they would be attacked from within (at least the first few times).
Not to mention that said replicator borg ship would be enhanced significantly from its normal specs.
Especially since it'll have Asgard technology
They can beam themselves into ships with no shields
But they have harpoons that bypass shields to infest other ships
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer they don’t bypass shields. They still had to knock down the shield of the ship they’re shooting at.
The replicators like anything else in Stargate suffer from power creep. Everything gets more and more and more and more and more powerful as time goes on to the point where the story doesn’t make any sense anymore because they should’ve been able to bypass many of the restrictions on their operation years earlier.
For example, if the Borg want to assimilate you, they just beam into your ship and assimilate you. The replicators couldn’t do that. Disabling the transporter on board his ship was enough to keep the replicators from being able to leave…..ie, they couldn’t just build their own.
The Borg on the other hand come with built-in transporter nodes, where each individual drone is capable of beaming themselves independent of the hardware around them.
Likewise, the limitations of the story placed on the Borg were there to prevent them from simply blitzing the federation and wiping out the show…. There was literally no reason why the Borg had to be slow zombies shuffling around like they did, or why they would ignore a potential threat that beamed onto their ship simply because it wasn’t currently threatening them.
Logically ANY federation personnel on board their ship is a threat …. Whether they are actively shooting at them or not.
Dumb stuff like that was just there as a plot device
@@Matt-yg8ub the replicator harpoon did bypass the Asgard shield, if it knocked out the shields, Thor would've said so in the episode
Also later on in the show the replicators were able to control the beaming technology, and the first thing the replicators do is make themselves invisible to the ship sensors which is usually seconds after boarding
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer which shouldn’t be possible. The replicators should not be able to make themselves invisible to the ship’s sensors. They don’t have fucking cloaking devices. They’re visible to the naked eye, they give off heat… they exude pressure against the floor. They operate in a gravitational environment, they are made of metal, and should trip magnetic anomaly detectors. Unless the Asgard are operating with stone tools, the sensors should be able to see them. The idea that the replicators can bypass shields and blind sensors and do whatever the plot demands whenever the plot demands it however the writers want with no thought for continuity….. is jarring to say the least. They just pull this excrement out of the back end whenever they feel like it and make it up as they go.
The Asgard literally just make their problems go away with energy beams that disintegrate whatever they point them at, but somehow we’re expected to believe that they don’t have a handheld version of thisand the ship is dependent upon sensors that magically can’t see the 12 inch mechanical spiders directly in front of them.
I wrote an object detection program yesterday where my cell phone could identify replicators (if I trained it to detect spiders) if I just point the camera at them, but apparently Thor and the Asgard and all their infinite power and wisdom and technology can’t do the same thing that my sorry butt just did yesterday.
A fleet of Replicators against the 29th century Cube might do the trick!
Don't even need a fleet, just a single torpedo and those things will spread
@@jamriki no such fleet exists. The replicators only have the one vessel.
That is their entire civilization at that point.
@@AdmiralStoicRum they aren’t magic, they can’t instantly turn 1,000,000,000,000 tons of starship into replicators and they sure as hell can’t instantly take over a Borg cube in a tiny fraction of the time it takes them to take over any other vessel.
It takes the replicators hours to take over a BC 304 …. They should not be able to take over a Borg cube that is actively resisting them, in less than five minutes.
Maybe the replicators get an early lead by surprising the Borg in their first encounter, but if the replicators start to infect a section of the cube, the Borg would just vaporize that section of the cube. They would see it as no different than bleeding, a wound or chopping off a gangrenous limb, except that the Borg are more than capable of just growing a new limb.
Stargate often treats the replicators like they are magic …. But they are still bound by the same laws of physics as anything else in the universe, even if the writers forget that from time to time.
Replicators are 100% terrifying. Unlike the Borg they are not handicapped by needing to convert organic matter to grow, yet as shown in Ark of Truth and in Atlantis, can convert and assimilate organics if they so choose. They also arguably have an even stronger grasp on temporal technology, able to reverse a time dilation field in such a way as to moonwalk out of a black hole.
The Borg would end up absolutely overrun right up until the Replicators manage to hijack the collective and then it'd be over.
Not necessarily. The Replicators are toys that got out of control…..they live to reproduce themselves. The collective on the other hand has intelligence and purpose. They too can assimilate (arguably far better in fact) and could do just as easily co-opt the technology of the Replicators. We see such things done in Atlantis….McKay does it, the Wraith do it….it seems that all they really have to do is get into the software and the replicators fall apart. They became a plague mostly because the Asgard are functionally retarded when it comes to simple solutions and just kept feeding them to make them grow stronger.
Lol. That was good. The Assimalation Cube bedn taken over by the replicators was funny but the 29th Century Cube destroying your ship even better.
Also for a future matchup, have the fight that we didn't get to see in The Ark of Truth. The Replicators versus The Ori. Amd then The Borg versus The Ori.
Ugghhh... imagining an assimilated Ori Prior now.
It comes down to nanites, who can make the smaller nanite to overtake the other.
Ty for the video and LLAP!
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DS9 with defiant vs Borg attack with assimilated federation ships?
Its an interesting battle but im struggling to think what the borg could do to resist it as the drone are phaser based in battle
I don't know why you're wasting time with replicators. Everyone knows the ultimate weapon in the universe is to force feed people Neelix's cooking. 🙀🤢
Especially the rootin' tootin' Texas chilli. With extra "G"alapenos
I'm just going to come out and be the one to say it. Neelix is the Jar Jar of Star Trek.
No, that's the entire crew of Discovery.
Noo Neelix is going to make a very hot chili Leola root soup and give them to the Stargate Replicators 😁
Idk man C-4 in SG-1 got the job done. I think with enough of it the replicators ship could be destroyed lol
Is there a video essay about this somewhere?
The problem with Borg Vs debates is the Borg approach every engagement like it’s their first time and they typically sacrifice the first ship to gage technology
Hilarious 😂 episode excellent
Well, the Borg don't use projectile weapons so they wouldn't be able to stop any of the replicators boarding them.
There's the regular Fusion Cube is 16 regular Borg Cubes and then there's the Tactical Fusion Cube. The Fusion Cubes has 4 redundant Vinculum. And then the Mega Fusion Cube is 16 Fusion Cubes which is the size of a small planet. In the fanfic by Chris Robato, ST: Athena, a future Sovereign class USS Premonition timeship went back in time and used a RiftWave WMD device to destroy the Mega Fusion Cube. The WMD device creates a subspace shockwave and then creates a subspace Rift to suck in the remaining parts to ensure there's no leftover Borg parts to regenerate itself.
The spider replicators from the Asgard's galaxy were different than the Ancient's humanoid replicators.
The spider replicators from the Asgard's galaxy became a far superior replicator dew to being trapped in the time dilation field for 15000 years.
@@AJDRAGON01 Didn't the Ancient's replicators hook directly into Daniel's ascended knowledge?
You either die a borg queen or live long enough to become assimilated.
The civilizations of Star Trek all have a reliance on their superior technology that bears a striking resemblance to the Asgard. And like the Asgard, they would likely have no viable defense against the Replicators. That goes for the Borg too.
Great fight. Very entertaining. Maybe the teplicator ship and the O'Neil class main battle ship would be a good match for the 29th century borg.
I would love to see this in a real series or movie cross over! Alas, that will never happen
Shoot man, I forgot all about the replicators. Looks like I have to go watch SG1 all over again... 😅
Okay......i'm impressed. i guess shoe is on the other foot now. But wich one is worse? Borg or Replicator?
It would be pretty scary if the Borg ever assimilated the he Replicators.
Alittle surprised it was replicator blocks and not human form replicators because the human forms would win hands down but both the borg and replicators constantly adapt to changing variables i would something like replicators borg hybrid would emerge
I guess the 29th century drone would beam aboard and kill the replicators just buy touching them. May take a while though😅
Ori versus Species 8472?
I think the borg would win against regular replicator maybe but against the human form no way, what would be interesting is I think this would more come down to a nanite vs nanite battle
i don' even thing they would win against regular replicators. first problem... borg... wouldn't see them as a threat at first... they would start eating the borg ship, just chowing down and replicating... by the time they react, borg shields would be useless, borg weapons are useless... they learn by assimilating but theres nothing their nanites would or could do here... so the only option and most likely option is the queen would sacrafice the ship, blow it up and hope...
except as we know, spiders might survive that and keep eating, and either lay in wait for something to show up or... if they finish their dinner, convert themselves into a ship and go hunting another cube.
The Borg have nanobots, Replicators _are_ nanobots with an even higher capacity for adaptation.
I have always wanted to know who'd win in this battle
it looks like the bigger the Borg ship is it’s easier for the replicators to assimilate it… question for you if Lieutenant commander data was attacked by one of those do you think The replicators could get him, even with his posit Tronic brain?
😲 I would fear for Data.. I like to think his brain is unhackable, but the Replicators are certainly adaptive. The Borg couldn't assimilate him though. What do you think?
You know, I was thinking about this for a while how to respond, and the way how the Borg was always betrayed as they were always like to use an analogy. They were a sledgehammer basically just brute force and that’s why they couldn’t assimilate data. Now with the replicators with their Technology and the fact they were able to basically take control over the Borg themselves I think he could be in theory. However, with data having plot armor, I think he would be completely immune lol!!!
So there was an entity that is pretty much the same thing as data, of course she was very likely the origin point for the replicators as she used her own nanotechnology to take metals and make her own little friends which were the block form replicators. After she was viewed as a threat, the replicators studied her technology and replicated it. Which is what will happen to Data. They will also develop a personality based on the tech
Replicators aren't nanite immune. Why would not put that into the equation? Borg nanites are very fast.
If anything the next wave of replicators would be Borg tech based. Neutralizing that advantage. Replicators absorb new technology just as quickly.
I wonder what a 29th century replicator ships would be like since they are from 1998 earth period.
WAU that was very Interesting. The Replikatorst are Powerful until they discover a 29 Century Kube they would win. ;)
I think yes Replicators could however do you want to deal with what such a thing means for the rest of the others?
I would assume the replicators would like to get tractored to the Borg cube, after all why fight them when the will invite the spiders in?
Assimulate us! Please do. Then we will reorganize you at a molecular level like you've never been Assimulated. Heh! Heh!
That Borg Sphere looks like a tiny death star.
Stargate tech is just on a whole different level from star trek. Im not surprised by the results but cool to see.
Replicator ship vs. Ori ship?
i'd imagine the borg would be feeling quite smug, until the ship started coming to pieces around them, munched up be little clattering Reppies
Are the replicators not working on a same level as the Borg? Both using nanotechnology and nanites? Borg nanites assimilate everything technology, but Replicators could constant replicate again. On paper this would appear more like a stalemate, although I would be leaning more toward the Borg taking over since more and more of the Replicator nanites would function as Borg nanites.
It makes me wonder what would happen if the borg came across a fully human replicator colony, like the ones from Atlantis? They function very much similarly to one another, but the Borg take over people and the replicators don't care to. It would be interesting to see if the borg and replicators work together or go to war with eachother as competing archetypes of a big bad.
Oh those asherans would not like the Borg, I think they would go on an extermination campaign, and then turn around and win.
Asuran*
It was the Cube that the Replicators took over, Not the Borg itself. Which allowed the self destruction. Wonder if the game would notice and simulate the Cube being taken over in a 2 or 3 on 1. And the other(s) to be able adapt to the Replicators.
This wouldve been an epic cross over especially if they merged and became a ehole new species.... the only thing that could probably stop that would be the magog world ship
In the Star Trek Doctor Who crossover comic miniseries, The Cybermen put The Borg in such a position that they had to contact Picard for help.
Can The Replicators beat the Borg?
I say yes. Especially since one of the Canon abilities of The Replicators is to literally become what they eat. By ingesting the materials of a Borg cube, The Replicators could become invisible to Borg sensors until it's too late and they have literally annihilated the organic parts of the Borg on board.
Yeah Stargate Command and Atlantis hated the Replicators. Hell even Cam Mitchell did and he read about them before joining SG-1.
From THE ARK OF TRUTH:
Cam: Yeah we got a little Replicator problem.
Jackson: Whoa, did you say Replicator?
Cam: Yeah....
Hertis: What's a replicator?
Teal'c: You do not wish to know.
From Atlantis Episode "Be All My Sins Remembered":
McKay: Would you like to do the honors?
John: No.
McKay: Alright, M7R-227, you were a constant pain in the ass. It's good to see you go. (presses a button, the planet designation disappears)
John: If only it was that easy in real life.
McKay: Mmm, Area 51 is working on it.
-Side note: M7R-227 was the designation for the Replicator's homeworld in the Pegasus galaxy.
Yup not much can take over the 29th Century Borg Cube. Regarding infecting a regular Borg cube, sphere, Assimilation cube and even a tactical cube... yeah I can see it happening and the Replicators taking over a Borg ship at least from the 24th Century. The Replicators as we know love to hide in areas that they aren't easily found. I'm sure the Replicators would be impervious to the Borg scanning capabilities. Also it's not like Drones would be actively searching for them manually like members of SG-1, Atlantis or even the Asgard would.
Borg assimilation vs Replicator assimilation.Good choice,
Can we have the replicator ship vs. 2 enemy ship and try to get one to attack the other?
How did u beat Locutus Cube!?
Those replicators… even Locutus was surprised 🖖
There is a comedian that had the premise that to Boldly go ( boldlygo )
Is a place and when are they going to get there
And not an action
"Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before!"
The Borg don't have slug throwers, how do they deal with the spiders?
From SG1 we see the spiders just eat any energy weapons fired at them.
I’d say, as a fan of both universes, that the Borg would likely ignore the boarding spiders, at least until they touch something the Borg don’t want them touching (but by then it might be too late. Plus the Borg drones are a bit limited in offensive capabilities. Mostly just disruptors, shields, and those nano bot injectors on their wrists. Sufficient for most threats native to the Trek franchise, but probably not enough to contend with some other franchises)
So once you’re replicator torpedo had a successful impact, you pretty much won, which is why the replicators were feared so much in the Stargate universe.
Also attrition works in the replicators favor. The Borg would struggle to replace lost drones, while the replicators would replicate. Lol
What about wesley crusher pacifist replicators
Borg are more about assimilating biological Species and dealing with "normal" Shiphardware. Their Nanites would have trouble with the Replicator-Blocks.
While the Replicators simply eat the Borg-cube, multiplying and absorbing their Tech while doing so. .... and if these wouldnt be the Replicator-Blocks, but the Humanoid Replicators with their Nano-Blocks, i think the Borg could loose pretty fast.
In worst Case, they befriend each other.
If the replicators manage to replicate - yes - Neelixs cooking then the universe is in real trouble…
An individual borg vessel is toast. However the borg are a collective kind of like a hive mind so the more the borg encounter the replicators the more they learn to adapt. So while the replicators can defeat a single borg ship they're not able to defeat the entire borg collective. That is unless they invade non borg civilisations to bulk up their numbers.
Hmm they could if they disrupt the communications of whatever ship board, then the rest of the collective wouldn't be able to get new information on them
Simple answer....YES. WHY IS THIS A QUESTION?
This reminds me of one of the early victories of AI over humans. GDW made an expansion of its Traveller pen and paper RPG series called Trillion Credit Squadron. You'd get a trillion credits to design a fleet of ships, and pit it in combat against someone else's trillion credit fleet. To publicize it, GDW held an annual TCS contest, with the winners getting prize money. Some guy decided to write a program to create the optimal fleet design. When he showed up for the contest, everyone else laughed at how stupid his fleet was. Then he won. The next year, he won again. The third year, GDW told him that if he entered again, they would cancel the contest.
Except for size, every ship in his fleet was identical. There were no capital ships, no escorts, no screening destroyers or frigates. Everything was the same. This turned out to capitalize on a weakness of the traditional fleet design. If you concentrate most of your firepower (say 50%) in your capital ships (say 20% of your fleet), then specifically targeting and eliminating that 20% of your fleet meant your fleet's effectiveness has dropped by 50% from just a 20% loss. OTOH, the AI-generated fleet would only suffer a 20% loss in effectiveness if it lost 20% of its ships. Basically the AI fleet was free to use strategy to counter human fleets, but there was no way for human fleets to gain a strategic advantage against the AI fleet.
That's basically what the replicators are. Ever replicator is the same, so destroying one only fractionally damages the whole. There's literally no head for you to chop off to kill them. The Borg could beat and assimilate some of them. But as long as there are other replicators around with plenty of material (planets, other civilizations) to consume and replicate, they'll still survive. They're like cockroaches. Unless you kill them _all_ at the same time (how Stargate dealt with them), they'll still continue to multiply, grow, harass, and eventually beat you. In the Borg's case, once the replicators figure out how to invade and disrupt the Borg's C&C network (i.e. chop off the head), the Borg are toast. It's like ants vs roaches. The colony structure of ant society may make for better coordination and faster growth. But the hierarchical structure creates vulnerabilities that roaches are immune to, and (if they were fighting each other) that roaches could exploit.
I want to see a simulation where the shapeshifters of deep space nine and the great link take on the board
The battle of the bots
Logically 50/50 as replicators are mostly nanites and the assimilation conflict to gain ground over rural Nantucket’s is via virus or anti virus tactics, akak one overrides the other by 50/50 chance
I would say that they aye able to destroy the replicator ship but if you fired the replicator missle and it hit, the borg wouldn’t be able to stop them imo.
You gotta use the replicators from stargate Atlantis. The ancient replicators LOL
The replicator are highly resistant to energy weapons and have a similar ability to adapt..eventually I think they'd overwhelm the collective
Borg nanobots vs replicator macrobots. Interesting 🖖
Until the macro bots say, hey this is kinda cool, and respecs those nanobot producers...
Have the replicators ever fought the ori motherships?
Which nano machines would win is the question?
so you gave borg queen the crabs...
Replicators are on the same level as the Ori. And even more dangerous if ignored.
if you destroy a sphere or cube, the whole borg collected is updated, so the next time you fight them they already have "adapted"
this is NOWHERE near cannon
Spiders! Why did it have to be spiders.
How about the human form replicators from Atlantis vs 29th century Borg cube.
Is this based on facts or just made up stats?
Remember that the Borg are looking for 'Perfection'. The Replicators could be what they perceive to be the perfect life form, so they might willingly give themselves over to the Replicators.
I'm fairly certain that the Borg could come up with a shotgun.
How? They are to advance to think like that. By the time they do. It would be to late.
I really don't understand how you battle ships from different shows.
In fact I would be surprised at all, they both use Nanite Technology, but the only difference is Borg Nanoprobes are DESIGNED to assimilate any Technology they come across, I wouldn't be surprised if the Borg Nanoprobes have already assimilated the Nanites in the Spider version of the Replicators.
Having watched both Stargate and Star Trek in their entireties, I think the Replicators are worse! The Borg should count their blessings that they never ran into the Replicators in Canon because otherwise, they may never have had an opportunity to develop into the 29th century version able to defeat them!
I imagine the Replicators would've been the greatest threat to the Borg since Species 8472. 8472 might even have a tough time with the Replicators! If you haven't already, you should try 8472 vs. the Replicators and see what happens 🙂🖖